SPOTBROKERS are CHEATERS? - SOLID PROOF - read here

[SleazyDream]

Spotbrokers are NOT cheaters.

I say AGIAN

SPOTBROKERS ARE NOT CHEATERS.

I know BOTH Kimmykim and Backov Personally. They are STAND UP PEOPLE. I STAND BEHIND THEM 10000000%

None of these fucking supposed cheating assholes will ever show their faces at a convention. WHY - cause they are cheating theives. PERIOD. it's rare to find a webmaster event that kimmykim or backov havn't been to. WHY is that? Cause they havn't cheated ANYONE and arn't AFRAID to show their faces in public. it's that simple.

Spotbrokers in reality is a competator of mine - as my main business is selling ad space and galleries on sleazydream. So ask yourself this - whyt he hell would I invite the two of them to my TGP VIP parties? (and I'm VERY picky about who I invite)- the answer is simple. They are a class act, through and through. They arn't out to steal my business, and I trust them.
STRONG WORDS from a COMPETATOR.


Spotbrokers is also SMART ENOUGH to know when someone is CHEATING THEM. GUESS WHAT Cheaters - they CAUGHT YOU. Spotbrokers should send you a bill for wasting their time and trying to defraud them. And anyone who deals with these cheaters should know that from this day on it will be a LOT more difficult to get good trades if you continue to support THEIVES. Know that if they are cheating spotbrokers then they are 100% for sure also cheating you on your trades.

[Jay_StandAhead]

Originally posted by SleazyDream
Spotbrokers are NOT cheaters.

I say AGIAN

SPOTBROKERS ARE NOT CHEATERS.

I know BOTH Kimmykim and Backov Personally. They are STAND UP PEOPLE. I STAND BEHIND THEM 10000000%

None of these fucking supposed cheating assholes will ever show their faces at a convention. WHY - cause they are cheating theives. PERIOD. it's rare to find a webmaster event that kimmykim or backov havn't been to. WHY is that? Cause they havn't cheated ANYONE and arn't AFRAID to show their faces in public. it's that simple.

Spotbrokers in reality is a competator of mine - as my main business is selling ad space and galleries on sleazydream. So ask yourself this - whyt he hell would I invite the two of them to my TGP VIP parties? (and I'm VERY picky about who I invite)- the answer is simple. They are a class act, through and through. They arn't out to steal my business, and I trust them.
STRONG WORDS from a COMPETATOR.


Spotbrokers is also SMART ENOUGH to know when someone is CHEATING THEM. GUESS WHAT Cheaters - they CAUGHT YOU. Spotbrokers should send you a bill for wasting their time and trying to defraud them. And anyone who deals with these cheaters should know that from this day on it will be a LOT more difficult to get good trades if you continue to support THEIVES. Know that if they are cheating spotbrokers then they are 100% for sure also cheating you on your trades.

AMEN!

KimmyKim and Backov are stand up people, and anyone who knows them agree.

Keep fighting them cheaters!

[Kimmykim]

Oh my, I am finally getting to go to the 3l337 party???

Holy shit!

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Oh my, I am finally getting to go to the 3l337 party???

Holy shit!

assuming you don't stand me up this time. sniff sniff

[~Ray]

Originally posted by SleazyDream
Spotbrokers are NOT cheaters.

I say AGIAN

SPOTBROKERS ARE NOT CHEATERS.

I know BOTH Kimmykim and Backov Personally. They are STAND UP PEOPLE. I STAND BEHIND THEM 10000000%

None of these fucking supposed cheating assholes will ever show their faces at a convention. WHY - cause they are cheating theives. PERIOD. it's rare to find a webmaster event that kimmykim or backov havn't been to. WHY is that? Cause they havn't cheated ANYONE and arn't AFRAID to show their faces in public. it's that simple.

Spotbrokers in reality is a competator of mine - as my main business is selling ad space and galleries on sleazydream. So ask yourself this - whyt he hell would I invite the two of them to my TGP VIP parties? (and I'm VERY picky about who I invite)- the answer is simple. They are a class act, through and through. They arn't out to steal my business, and I trust them.
STRONG WORDS from a COMPETATOR.


Spotbrokers is also SMART ENOUGH to know when someone is CHEATING THEM. GUESS WHAT Cheaters - they CAUGHT YOU. Spotbrokers should send you a bill for wasting their time and trying to defraud them. And anyone who deals with these cheaters should know that from this day on it will be a LOT more difficult to get good trades if you continue to support THEIVES. Know that if they are cheating spotbrokers then they are 100% for sure also cheating you on your trades.

That's a valid point... yet totally 1 sided. No one said they cheat... only that Run said he was cheated.

Alot of good webmaster don't go to the conventions becuse they live 1000's of miles away... like Eastern Europe.

But like I said... you make a damn good one sided argument.

[detoxed]

airfare from lithuania to a convention might be a little steep.

[save11]

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by AdvertisingSex


That's a valid point... yet totally 1 sided. No one said they cheat... only that Run said he was cheated.

Alot of good webmaster don't go to the conventions becuse they live 1000's of miles away... like Eastern Europe.

But like I said... you make a damn good one sided argument.

bullshit - I know many webmasters from eastern europe that attend conventions. MANY.

it's the cheaters that don't want to show their faces that don't go.

[Jay_StandAhead]

Originally posted by SleazyDream


assuming you don't stand me up this time. sniff sniff

She'll be to the next one, she's my date.

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by detoxed
airfare from lithuania to a convention might be a little steep.

ummm, only if your'e a cheater and keep getting your checks cancelled

[Dveron]

Nice attention whore thread title

[Dawgy]

sleazy can i be your date for your next party?

... i put out...

[~Ray]

P.S. I use spot brokers from time to time. So I'm not biased. I have about 30,000 hits left in my account right now.

[Juicy D. Links]

jUICY

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by AdvertisingSex
P.S. I use spot brokers from time to time. So I'm not biased. I have about 30,000 hits left in my account right now.

Actually you have more than that if you had 30k last week and didn't use them

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by Dawgy
sleazy can i be your date for your next party?

... i put out...

post pics. we'll see

[Rich]

Who said that Spotbrokers were cheaters? Not many people did anyway, most just wanted the full story and/or some proof. It seems like that was all the accused wanted as well. The only person being called a cheater left and right was that run guy. He seems to be just as legit as Kimmy Kim, he does business with major TGP guys you're friends with. Who's word are we supposed to take, 12clicks? GFY post count doesn't mean anything to most people (hopefully). It seems like run was really being insulted by a group of friends standing up for each other, when all he was asking for were answers. He didn't really come out and say that he got ripped off did he?

[~Ray]

P.P.S. I also have bought a RB4 script from Run... he's legit... that must be why that thread was sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooo
long

I've dealt with Run and I use spot brokers. I recommend both of them.

[Kimmykim]

It's past your bedtime Rich, you'll be late for the am shift at this rate.

[eroswebmaster]

I will say it just 1 more time.

I'm not on either side of this battle and have 0 vested interest except for how this business operates.

Not another business would think about accusing a vendor of "cheating," stop payment on checks and not expect to have to show proof.

If you pulled this in the brick and mortar world you'd have collection agencies on your ass, your credit could be ruined, and your ass taken to court, who knows maybe even criminal charges of fraud could be levied.

But when this occurs it always seems to occur to a webmaster who would be wise just to chalk it up as a loss or suffer the expenses of a long trip to America to fight a battle that could be strung out for a good long while.

A money program might win the financial battle, but it does not mean they would have necessarily proven their case in court.

I hate cheaters as much as anyone, but honestly I can't wait until some of these companies get checked in court on what is their standard operating procedure.

Sure cheaters deserve to be punished, but there has to be some procedures in place to make sure that neither side will abuse what we all value, and that is trust.

[~Ray]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster
I will say it just 1 more time.

I'm not on either side of this battle and have 0 vested interest except for how this business operates.

Not another business would think about accusing a vendor of "cheating," stop payment on checks and not expect to have to show proof.

If you pulled this in the brick and mortar world you'd have collection agencies on your ass, your credit could be ruined, and your ass taken to court, who knows maybe even criminal charges of fraud could be levied.

But when this occurs it always seems to occur to a webmaster who would be wise just to chalk it up as a loss or suffer the expenses of a long trip to America to fight a battle that could be strung out for a good long while.

A money program might win the financial battle, but it does not mean they would have necessarily proven their case in court.

I hate cheaters as much as anyone, but honestly I can't wait until some of these companies get checked in court on what is their standard operating procedure.

Sure cheaters deserve to be punished, but there has to be some procedures in place to make sure that neither side will abuse what we all value, and that is trust.

Actually... If Run were to file suit in HIS country against SB... then a SB rep would have to fly to HIS country...or he would automaticaly win by default.
I bet KK would hate that...

The business world is as fair as the people you deal with.

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster

Not another business would think about accusing a vendor of "cheating," stop payment on checks and not expect to have to show proof.

If you pulled this in the brick and mortar world you'd have collection agencies on your ass, your credit could be ruined, and your ass taken to court, who knows maybe even criminal charges of fraud could be levied.

A money program might win the financial battle, but it does not mean they would have necessarily proven their case in court.

I hate cheaters as much as anyone, but honestly I can't wait until some of these companies get checked in court on what is their standard operating procedure.

Never been to a casino eh big boy? If they don't like your tie they don't have to pay you.

As for your illusions with the brick and mortar world, um, let me disabuse you.

If run (or any other cheater for that matter) was working in or on my premises and got caught stealing from me, red handed, I'd call the police.

They'd lock him up, he'd make bail and then the judge would decide what to do with him. In the meantime his name would be in the papers, he'd be in disgrace, and then when court time came he'd be punished again.

As for so called standard operating procedure, theres a thing called terms. Try reading them before you send someone traffic.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by AdvertisingSex


Actually... If Run were to sue SB... then a SB rep would have to fly to HIS country... I bet KK would hate that...

The business world is as fair as the people you deal with.

Depends upon SB's tos.

I know in some TOS that you agree with in order to use their program it specifically states that if there is any litigation that it has to be brought forth in the city, state, and county that the business is set up in.

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by Rich
Who's word are we supposed to take, 12clicks? GFY post count doesn't mean anything to most people (hopefully)...............

if you HAD two cents to rub together you'd know who 12clicks is and what programs he runs and has run in the past.

it's an IMPRESSIVE resume.



dumbass

[Dveron]

Not another business would think about accusing a vendor of "cheating," stop payment on checks and not expect to have to show proof.

Like I said in the other thread this is still the virtual wild west, plenty of shysters and snake oil salesmen around to shake you down.

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by AdvertisingSex


Actually... If Run were to file suit in HIS country against SB... then a SB rep would have to fly to HIS country...or he would automaticaly win by default.
I bet KK would hate that...

The business world is as fair as the people you deal with.

If the only place that run can win is Lithuania because we didn't show up, then that's a pretty sad situation now ain't it?

[Rich]

Originally posted by Kimmykim
It's past your bedtime Rich, you'll be late for the am shift at this rate.

See I'm bringing up points, instead of answering them you through out some two year old insult.


Here was my first post to you today:

Originally posted by Rich
I'm not taking sides here, but why not show the guy some proof? Privately, not on a board... I mean if he is a cheater, he already knows what he's doing. The big PPS guys always seem to explain why the account was cancelled in an incident like this. Whenever 12clicks is involved it just seems to turn into calling everyone from the country of the affiliate in question a cheater, which is ridiculous. I've never done business with KK or spotbrokers, but they're always seemed honest to me, and I doubt that they close the account to steal run's money. But like he says, it could be possible that your programmers are wrong, and not even telling him why he got kicked seems very unprofessional.

Is that incredibly unreasonable, when the person who claims to have been wrong is credible in at least one of the circles you are? This is the first response to me, from your buddy 12clicks.

Originally posted by 12clicks


Get lost assclown. as usual you're clueless.
you don't tell thieves how they've been caught. they simply refine their technique.

now piss off you nobody from nowhere.

I just don't get why automatically you and 12clicks are right, and this guy and the people who vouch for him are not. You're playing with peoples income here, talking about where they live isn't good enough, if you don't want people from that region, do what 12clicks does and don't let them join. I know you're going to respond by telling me to go to my job at McDonalds, and believe me, it will be clever. But you can't say the point I (and many, many other people in those 11 pages) am trying to make doesn't exist.

[SleazyDream]

eroswebmaster - start paying per click and see just how quick your business outlook on these people in question changes.........

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by Kimmykim


Never been to a casino eh big boy? If they don't like your tie they don't have to pay you.

As for your illusions with the brick and mortar world, um, let me disabuse you.

If run (or any other cheater for that matter) was working in or on my premises and got caught stealing from me, red handed, I'd call the police.

They'd lock him up, he'd make bail and then the judge would decide what to do with him. In the meantime his name would be in the papers, he'd be in disgrace, and then when court time came he'd be punished again.

As for so called standard operating procedure, theres a thing called terms. Try reading them before you send someone traffic.

Been to a casino on many occassions I live in Las Vegas..and have had a friend kicked out for what they considered counting cards when all he was doing was doubling down after each loss on Black Jack...he was given his winnings just told he could never come back.

That's usually the way it works unless you are a well known cheater.

As for your "on premises" theory that doesn't hold here, you're dealing with vendors, independent contractors and this did not occur on your premises.

If it did you'd also have to file a complaint. The complaint would be investigated to see if charges would be made. He would then have the luxury of being told what the criminal charge is, and he would be INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

Your system is set up so that people are guilty based upon your word. You are the accuser, the jury and the judge.

And as far as reading your terms, this is not an issue about your terms.

If you can prove he violated those you're fine, but you offer no proof, like I said you just made the accusation, found him guilty and meted out his punishment.

This once again would not, could not occur between vendors in the brick and mortar world without there being consequences on both ends.

[Honeyslut]

KimmyKim,

I bought my traffic on Sunday 6/22 ! Was this after you caught the bot ?

Thank you,

Julene

[SleazyDream]

RICH - arn't you a casino guy?

Casinos are the most dishonest businesses, bar none, on the web.

[CDSmith]

The real proof lies in the fact that it is not in spotbroker's (or any service-type company's) best interest to can their clients unless they have absolute proof that such an extreme action is necessary. Period.



And for the record, if I found someone cheating any program of mine in some way, I would instantly discontinue their account as well, and I'll be damned if someone like xxweaklingxx or bitch would be trying to demand I prove it. For one, they're not in a position to demand shit, and for another, it isn't in Kimmy's or Backov's interest to lie about it.



In run's case the choices are simple: See a lawyer, keep crying on the board, or shut the hell up. Can anyone think of a fourth choice for run?

[psyko514]

Sleazy:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...15#post1941515

[Rich]

Originally posted by Kimmykim


Never been to a casino eh big boy? If they don't like your tie they don't have to pay you.

Interesting comment.

Originally posted by Kimmykim


If run (or any other cheater for that matter) was working in or on my premises and got caught stealing from me, red handed, I'd call the police.

They'd lock him up, he'd make bail and then the judge would decide what to do with him. In the meantime his name would be in the papers, he'd be in disgrace, and then when court time came he'd be punished again.

They'd probably need more than 12clicks' impressive resume to arrest and convict.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by SleazyDream
eroswebmaster - start paying per click and see just how quick your business outlook on these people in question changes.........

Sleazy I understand the shit they must be dealing with, but they knew that going into the biz.

I'm sure there is a reasonable expectation of loss, every business I've ran you have to factor that in.

I'm not saying that people should not be punished for cheating.

I just don't like the idea that a company can just say "you are a cheater so we won't pay you," and there being no recourse if this company is incorrect, or made a mistake, or are just plain cheats themselves.

[Dveron]

just don't get why automatically you and 12clicks are right

12click is always right, his ego prevents him from been anything but.

[Rich]

Originally posted by SleazyDream


if you HAD two cents to rub together you'd know who 12clicks is and what programs he runs and has run in the past.

it's an IMPRESSIVE resume.



dumbass

I know who his is, and unlike most people here I can probably name at least 75% of the programs he's closed down. However I did miss the notice when he was elected God. This run guy says worldsex and others do business with him, by 12clicks law that would make them cheaters too right? Good call.

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by psyko514
Sleazy:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...15#post1941515

yeah - that's you in the hat - right.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by CDSmith
The real proof lies in the fact that it is not in spotbroker's (or any service-type company's) best interest to can their clients unless they have absolute proof that such an extreme action is necessary. Period.



And for the record, if I found someone cheating any program of mine in some way, I would instantly discontinue their account as well, and I'll be damned if someone like xxweaklingxx or bitch would be trying to demand I prove it. For one, they're not in a position to demand shit, and for another, it isn't in Kimmy's or Backov's interest to lie about it.



In run's case the choices are simple: See a lawyer, keep crying on the board, or shut the hell up. Can anyone think of a fourth choice for run?

As a business owner I believe you have the right to choose who you wish to do business with that is not the issue.

Disable their accounts if you don't like them...but to just keep their money based upon your accusation of cheating is just not enough in my opinion.

[Rich]

Originally posted by SleazyDream
eroswebmaster - start paying per click and see just how quick your business outlook on these people in question changes.........

No one's standing up for them if they are cheaters. You see, not everyone takes 12clicks word 100%, no matter how much you think they should.

[psyko514]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster
If you can prove he violated those you're fine, but you offer no proof, like I said you just made the accusation, found him guilty and meted out his punishment.

This once again would not, could not occur between vendors in the brick and mortar world without there being consequences on both ends.

Brick & Mortar scenario:

If I was fired from my job and not given a reason, my only option would be to sue my former employer for wrongful discharge.

My case would be brought to court, my employer would bring proof/reasons as to why I was fired, and a judge and jury would decided on whether or not I was wrongfully discharged.

Internet scenario:

Run was terminated from the program and not given a solid reason. His only option is to sue Spotbrokers. I'm not sure what the exact charge would be.

His case would be brought to court, Spotbrokers would bring proof of is cheating, and a judge and jury would decide whether or not he was actually cheating.

Tell me how these two scenarios are different.

[Rich]

Originally posted by SleazyDream
RICH - arn't you a casino guy?

Casinos are the most dishonest businesses, bar none, on the web.

Actually penis pills, spam, and other scams are a lot more dishonest, but yes there are a lot of scammers in casino. Not mine though, we've been through this big guy.

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by Honeyslut
KimmyKim,

I bought my traffic on Sunday 6/22 ! Was this after you caught the bot ?

Thank you,

Julene

Everyone who had a balance in the system during the period of the cheating has been credited -- check your account

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by Rich


Actually penis pills, spam, and other scams are a lot more dishonest, but yes there are a lot of scammers in casino. Not mine though, we've been through this big guy.

Yeah, it's EVERYONE ELSE cept YOU..... RIGHT.....


please sue me for that slander.........

[Rich]

Sleazy there are a lot of hitbotters in TGP, you don't see me calling you a cheat. I've never been accused of anything dishonest, not many people in gamming, or adult for that matter, can say that.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by psyko514


Brick & Mortar scenario:

If I was fired from my job and not given a reason, my only option would be to sue my former employer for wrongful discharge.

My case would be brought to court, my employer would bring proof/reasons as to why I was fired, and a judge and jury would decided on whether or not I was wrongfully discharged.

Internet scenario:

Run was terminated from the program and not given a solid reason. His only option is to sue Spotbrokers. I'm not sure what the exact charge would be.

His case would be brought to court, Spotbrokers would bring proof of is cheating, and a judge and jury would decide whether or not he was actually cheating.

Tell me how these two scenarios are different.

They are similar but limited to "jurisdiction."

If I'm fired by a local employer and can prove wrongful termination I don't have to travel 1,000's of miles to sue them.

They are more than likely in the city I reside in.

My costs would not include air fare from eastern europe, hotel costs etc.

And you know a court case could be drawn out so any webmaster with a half a grain of intelligence would know this is not financially feasible.

Because there would be many trips back and forth to the states, the travel expenses alone would be way more than what's at stake here.


So all this grandstanding of SB stating...come on sue us! doesn't prove anything other than that they have the upper hand in the mexican standoff.

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster
As a business owner I believe you have the right to choose who you wish to do business with that is not the issue.

Disable their accounts if you don't like them...but to just keep their money based upon your accusation of cheating is just not enough in my opinion.

Wow, here we go again. Can you not fucking read?

We credited the buyers accounts.

Hello, anyone? anyone? Bueller?

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster



As a business owner I believe you have the right to choose who you wish to do business with that is not the issue.

Disable their accounts if you don't like them...but to just keep their money based upon your accusation of cheating is just not enough in my opinion.

untill you start paying pay per click you're just talking out of your ass.

[lil2rich4u2]

grabbing my page 1 post!!!

[psyko514]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster


They are similar but limited to "jurisdiction."

If I'm fired by a local employer and can prove wrongful termination I don't have to travel 1,000's of miles to sue them.

They are more than likely in the city I reside in.

My costs would not include air fare from eastern europe, hotel costs etc.

And you know a court case could be drawn out so any webmaster with a half a grain of intelligence would know this is not financially feasible.

So all this grandstanding of SB stating...come on sue us! doesn't prove anything other than that they have the upper hand in the mexican standoff.

He could easily include damages and legal fees in his lawsuit if he believe his case was so strong.

Personally, I'd do it, financially feasible or not, just for the principle. And I don't have money to throw around.