why do i fail ??? HELP !!!

[elliso]

Hi Guys

I Don t know why do i fail each time i want to buy traffic and always it does not convert........

I Believe that most traffic comes from shitty websites or Sources !
I am totally confused.

To be Honest, i am making enough with facebook on dating but i just want to make double on WEBCAMS as i though that with buying traffic would get me some sales but it does not.

i only work on german traffic, Anyone can Helps or suggest me new ideas?!

[Robbie]

Let me give you some free advice.

Up until 2007/2008 I had a TON of traffic (about 1.2 million uniques a day). And it was all REAL traffic from bookmarkers.
I NEVER sold the traffic.

Why? Because I could make so much money on that traffic that it would have been crazy to sell it. I did sell a few (9 to be exact) text links. But other than that...we kept it for ourselves because it was great traffic and very lucrative.

The moral of my story is: If the traffic has any real value...they wouldn't be selling it to begin with.

The traffic brokers and their hired monkeys will tell you I'm full of shit and give you a bunch of double-talk about how "Some people are much better at monetizing traffic" than they are so they sell it.

So what they are telling you is...they are too incompetent to work the traffic that they have.
But the TRUTH is...the traffic that they have is shit.

My free advice is: Don't buy traffic. The only way you're gonna make money in this game is to learn your craft. SEO, how to build a website, how to get search engine traffic and KEEP them by offering them things of interest. And then you use that site to make your sales to the sites you are pushing.

I've been successful a long time doing this. And that's my free advice. Good luck to you in the future.

[MakeMeGrrrrowl]

I agree with Robbie here. Maybe buying traffic works for some, but it has never worked for me and has almost always been a waste of money. I'm a bit different than sign up sales as we do live sales so I'm not sure I can be a good source of info.

We use blogging as much to our advantage as we can. We will start to implement affiliate promo's in our content soon and find out how it converts.

Unfortunately you just have to take the time it takes to understand how to get as much organic traffic as you can.

[TheSquealer]

you are trying to compete with people and companies who have huge budgets and experience. of course you cant just start a campaign and make it work. you'd have to spend 5-10k to figure it out and even then, its not too likely you'd be able to compete in cams

[EddyTheDog]

Redouble your efforts on FB - If you have saturated the German traffic research another market...

People do make money from broker traffic - However, it's not just about throwing hits at a site - It's a skill and some of the tactics needed are 'questionable'.....

[oppoten]

Never bought traffic, never will. Some good advice in this thread.

[The Porn Nerd]

Let me give you some free advice.

Up until 2007/2008 I had a TON of traffic (about 1.2 million uniques a day). And it was all REAL traffic from bookmarkers.
I NEVER sold the traffic.

Why? Because I could make so much money on that traffic that it would have been crazy to sell it. I did sell a few (9 to be exact) text links. But other than that...we kept it for ourselves because it was great traffic and very lucrative.

The moral of my story is: If the traffic has any real value...they wouldn't be selling it to begin with.

The traffic brokers and their hired monkeys will tell you I'm full of shit and give you a bunch of double-talk about how "Some people are much better at monetizing traffic" than they are so they sell it.

So what they are telling you is...they are too incompetent to work the traffic that they have.
But the TRUTH is...the traffic that they have is shit.

My free advice is: Don't buy traffic. The only way you're gonna make money in this game is to learn your craft. SEO, how to build a website, how to get search engine traffic and KEEP them by offering them things of interest. And then you use that site to make your sales to the sites you are pushing.

I've been successful a long time doing this. And that's my free advice. Good luck to you in the future.

Listen to this man. I have met Robbie and he is one of the few in this Biz who is not full of poo poo.

I would add one VERY important distinction to Robbie's words of wisdom: there is a HUGE difference between buying traffic and buying advertising. If you buy 'direct ads' from sites in your niche or whose traffic you trust then it's great. But just buying traffic based on geo, niches, ages, etc is a waste of time and money if you are not experienced. And, even then, the margins are so tight that any slippage and you're fucked. It's a rough game and I also do not recommend it.

[PaperstreetWinston]

what robbie said

[CurrentlySober]

full of poo poo.

Board Tracker went off...

Seriously though, Robbie is 100% correct...

[CHMOD]

Let me give you some free advice.

Up until 2007/2008 I had a TON of traffic (about 1.2 million uniques a day). And it was all REAL traffic from bookmarkers.
I NEVER sold the traffic.

Why? Because I could make so much money on that traffic that it would have been crazy to sell it. I did sell a few (9 to be exact) text links. But other than that...we kept it for ourselves because it was great traffic and very lucrative.

The moral of my story is: If the traffic has any real value...they wouldn't be selling it to begin with.

The traffic brokers and their hired monkeys will tell you I'm full of shit and give you a bunch of double-talk about how "Some people are much better at monetizing traffic" than they are so they sell it.

So what they are telling you is...they are too incompetent to work the traffic that they have.
But the TRUTH is...the traffic that they have is shit.

My free advice is: Don't buy traffic. The only way you're gonna make money in this game is to learn your craft. SEO, how to build a website, how to get search engine traffic and KEEP them by offering them things of interest. And then you use that site to make your sales to the sites you are pushing.

I've been successful a long time doing this. And that's my free advice. Good luck to you in the future.

I agree 100%

[JeepersCreepers]

Let me give you some free advice.

Up until 2007/2008 I had a TON of traffic (about 1.2 million uniques a day). And it was all REAL traffic from bookmarkers.
I NEVER sold the traffic.

Why? Because I could make so much money on that traffic that it would have been crazy to sell it. I did sell a few (9 to be exact) text links. But other than that...we kept it for ourselves because it was great traffic and very lucrative.

The moral of my story is: If the traffic has any real value...they wouldn't be selling it to begin with.

The traffic brokers and their hired monkeys will tell you I'm full of shit and give you a bunch of double-talk about how "Some people are much better at monetizing traffic" than they are so they sell it.

So what they are telling you is...they are too incompetent to work the traffic that they have.
But the TRUTH is...the traffic that they have is shit.

My free advice is: Don't buy traffic. The only way you're gonna make money in this game is to learn your craft. SEO, how to build a website, how to get search engine traffic and KEEP them by offering them things of interest. And then you use that site to make your sales to the sites you are pushing.

I've been successful a long time doing this. And that's my free advice. Good luck to you in the future.

Robbie, just interesting, what do you think about traffic from social networks? My opinion that traffic from social networks mostly not quality and people don't want to spend their money if you're working for instance on paypersale basis

[CPA-Rush]

work harder

[mamaliga]

bought traffic does bring profits and it will bring if you are not promoting aff programs. Take a look at huge tube sites: they are buying traffic all the time large amount of traffic.

[ZeroHero]

work harder

[CPA-Rush]

[Juicy D. Links]

Let me give you some free advice.

Up until 2007/2008 I had a TON of traffic (about 1.2 million uniques a day). And it was all REAL traffic from bookmarkers.
I NEVER sold the traffic.

Why? Because I could make so much money on that traffic that it would have been crazy to sell it. I did sell a few (9 to be exact) text links. But other than that...we kept it for ourselves because it was great traffic and very lucrative.

The moral of my story is: If the traffic has any real value...they wouldn't be selling it to begin with.

The traffic brokers and their hired monkeys will tell you I'm full of shit and give you a bunch of double-talk about how "Some people are much better at monetizing traffic" than they are so they sell it.

So what they are telling you is...they are too incompetent to work the traffic that they have.
But the TRUTH is...the traffic that they have is shit.

My free advice is: Don't buy traffic. The only way you're gonna make money in this game is to learn your craft. SEO, how to build a website, how to get search engine traffic and KEEP them by offering them things of interest. And then you use that site to make your sales to the sites you are pushing.

I've been successful a long time doing this. And that's my free advice. Good luck to you in the future.

hit the hail on the head Robbie

times i bought traffic was to feed my CJ and TGP sites

[mineistaken]

Let me give you some free advice.

Up until 2007/2008 I had a TON of traffic (about 1.2 million uniques a day). And it was all REAL traffic from bookmarkers.
I NEVER sold the traffic.

Why? Because I could make so much money on that traffic that it would have been crazy to sell it. I did sell a few (9 to be exact) text links. But other than that...we kept it for ourselves because it was great traffic and very lucrative.

The moral of my story is: If the traffic has any real value...they wouldn't be selling it to begin with.

The traffic brokers and their hired monkeys will tell you I'm full of shit and give you a bunch of double-talk about how "Some people are much better at monetizing traffic" than they are so they sell it.

So what they are telling you is...they are too incompetent to work the traffic that they have.
But the TRUTH is...the traffic that they have is shit.

My free advice is: Don't buy traffic. The only way you're gonna make money in this game is to learn your craft. SEO, how to build a website, how to get search engine traffic and KEEP them by offering them things of interest. And then you use that site to make your sales to the sites you are pushing.

I've been successful a long time doing this. And that's my free advice. Good luck to you in the future.

This is good advice, although there were number of people who bought and profited from it. At least that is what they posted here.
Of course those people were experts, not a newbies. For newbies it is 100% NO NO.

[Robbie]

This is good advice, although there were number of people who bought and profited from it.

Most of those people were "re-purposing" that traffic in questionable ways to make money. Not making sales to any sites.

[MakeMeGrrrrowl]

I would add one VERY important distinction to Robbie's words of wisdom: there is a HUGE difference between buying traffic and buying advertising.

Great point.

[xXXtesy10]

what do you steal?

[ShowMe69]

I agree with Robbie, but I would add if you buy traffic for traffic trades, it could be beneficial .

[Robbie]

I agree with Robbie, but I would add if you buy traffic for traffic trades, it could be beneficial .

True, but the people you traded traffic with wouldn't appreciate that very much...especially when they check their Google analytics and see a 100% bounce rate. lol

Of course people doing that are usually trading traffic with other sites doing it too. So you would end up with a bunch of sites sending each other nothing.

[elliso]

thx a million but sadly i am not good at creating website and Seo ....etc
but i wonder why trafficJunky/Ero-advertise/Exoclick and many others are making successful business by selling traffic?
i brought thier traffic and i couldn t make a penny, only brought european traffic and did not convert either into sale or lead. that is why i got a negative point of view regarding traffic seller.

by the way best deal i get ever is 12usd per PPL From a company whom i worked for 4 years but unfortuntely as social media become too aggressive, i am not able to play good enough as before. would appreacited if you message me in pm and send me some useful sites or links, i believe it s time to learn new tactic and methods.

Thank You always

[elliso]

Special thx to Robbie.

thx a million but sadly i am not good at creating website and Seo ....etc
but i wonder why trafficJunky/Ero-advertise/Exoclick and many others are making successful business by selling traffic?
i brought thier traffic and i couldn t make a penny, only brought european traffic and did not convert either into sale or lead. that is why i got a negative point of view regarding traffic seller.

by the way best deal i get ever is 12usd per PPL From a company whom i worked for 4 years but unfortuntely as social media become too aggressive, i am not able to play good enough as before. would appreacited if you message me in pm and send me some useful sites or links, i believe it s time to learn new tactic and methods.

Thank You always

[yuu.design]

media buying is a hard game to play

[DeadFidel]

I agree with Robbie here. Maybe buying traffic works for some, but it has never worked for me and has almost always been a waste of money. I'm a bit different than sign up sales as we do live sales so I'm not sure I can be a good source of info.

We use blogging as much to our advantage as we can. We will start to implement affiliate promo's in our content soon and find out how it converts.

Unfortunately you just have to take the time it takes to understand how to get as much organic traffic as you can.

Nice old school logic that still works.

[Zeiss]

what robbie said

+1

[Paul Markham]

If you had good traffic, would you sell it to someone else?

[Rochard]

The moral of my story is: If the traffic has any real value...they wouldn't be selling it to begin with.

This is very true. If the traffic is so valuable, why would they be selling it? Why wouldn't you just send it someplace to make you money?

[sarettah]

The only thing I use purchased traffic for is to test the load on a site or to jump start traffic to a site.

As othere said, if the traffic was worth anything they would not be selling it to begin with.

.

[elliso]

i do understand you guys but why mediabuy companies are making huge Success?

nowadays it s really difficulte to get any kinda of traffic.
buying traffic looks great option but as robbie recommand, Don t make mistake twice.

anyone have tips or suggestion how to get european traffic?
please pm. i have excelllent deal with german company but i need to push alot of traffic inculde quality traffic to get this deal. willing to share all info and much more if anyone want to cooperate.

[INever]

i do understand you guys but why mediabuy companies are making huge Success?

In certain parts of mainstream this is just a lazy way for social media managers and ad agencies to look busy and effective, with PPTs about total impressions, etc.

[elliso]

In certain parts of mainstream this is just a lazy way for social media managers and ad agencies to look busy and effective, with PPTs about total impressions, etc.

while i been affilate with many n eetworks, managed always recommanded mediabuy but never reveal any close information expect one who explained that mediabuy for a company is not like for personal use.
he/she said, we collect data from this traffic and reuse it in another way which make it profitable, in all cases they are not losing money expect if traffic is fake or bot. from my experiences i couldn t make it and nowdays getting traffic is more and more complicated....

are they any alternative sources to get some good traffic?

[kmanrox]

What if I told you there's a shit ton of money to be made by not owning tubes, just using them......

[dillfly2000]

If I buy a billion hits per hour, I might get a conversion or two. 1 Rebill if I'm really lucky.


I'm sure there are some few reliable traffic sellers
But pretty sure most "cold" shit traffic selling sites are just using recycled proxies, bots and poor parts of the world where credit cards don't exist. Maybe from a bunch of yurts with wifi in Mongolia.

[elliso]

Hallo

What if I told you there's a shit ton of money to be made by not owning tubes, just using them......

Ur member since 2001 so i guess U richa and Obivously expert on those stuff.

we are discussing with brought traffic from biggest compaines are always useless?

[Konda]

The moral of my story is: If the traffic has any real value...they wouldn't be selling it to begin with.

This is not really true. The reason people sell their traffic is because a traffic network can make a lot more money for your traffic than you will trying to monetize it yourself.
This is because they send for example a guy on a mobile in Egypt to an Egypt mobile carrier offer and a guy on a desktop in Japan to a Japanese live cam offer etc.
No matter how valuable your traffic is, if you want the maximum income selling it will always make more than trying to monetize it yourself. You can't compete with a network that has 100s of advertisers wanting to target specific GEOs, devices, etc.

[Konda]

Special thx to Robbie.

i brought thier traffic and i couldn t make a penny, only brought european traffic and did not convert either into sale or lead. that is why i got a negative point of view regarding traffic seller.

Buying traffic is very hard. What kind of products are you selling?
Just targeting European traffic doesn't mean it will convert.
To do it properly you need to spend $1,000s or $10,000s in testing to see what works, like what GEOs work, which ads, what niche, what time of the day, what devices. Then when you have enough data you *might* find something that is profitable, and you expand on that. You need a big budget and a lot of time and knowledge to make it work.

[elliso]

Hi Konda !!!
actually i need German traffic for cams and dating and this require a direct buy from Deutsch adult site owner which works only but buying traffic has been always unpleasant experiences as most comment here, traffic vendor are just not good.

i Don t have big budeget to test it on traffic buddy.
i remember there was a forum where afew guys where spying of best performance ads in biggest tube channels, that was a paid forum which belong to someone who s been working in juicyads, i will relook over email and i will attempte find it again. any alternative methods or sources would be appreacited.

thank you Konda

[The Porn Nerd]

This is not really true. The reason people sell their traffic is because a traffic network can make a lot more money for your traffic than you will trying to monetize it yourself.
This is because they send for example a guy on a mobile in Egypt to an Egypt mobile carrier offer and a guy on a desktop in Japan to a Japanese live cam offer etc.
No matter how valuable your traffic is, if you want the maximum income selling it will always make more than trying to monetize it yourself. You can't compete with a network that has 100s of advertisers wanting to target specific GEOs, devices, etc.

This is the bullshit traffic sellers throw at you. No offense. LOL I understand the point, and for a very few experienced big budget companies I would agree. But we're talking big numbers here with very tight margins. So it's a risky game at best.

It also depends what you are trying to sell. Cams? Highly competitive. The best traffic costs the most. Dating? Also competitive but also highly hit-or-miss. Trust your Sponsor on this one. Paysites? Forget about it. Dick pills? Probably the best in terms of "products" but again, trust your Sponsor and keep an eye on longevity (how long the company has been around or will be around).

Traffic networks are better than buying blind traffic but you better know your shit before you play that game. LOL

[thommy]

you are trying to compete with people and companies who have huge budgets and experience. of course you cant just start a campaign and make it work. you'd have to spend 5-10k to figure it out and even then, its not too likely you'd be able to compete in cams

you are absolutely right in that and in regards of webcams in the german market it is 100 times heavier.

1. most germans are signed up already if they are interested. the camsite owners did not spend millions fotr advertising to share a user what they already have with someone else.

2. there are lots of products what can be sold on pornsites with a much bigger audience and a much bigger profit. people who are promoting them will pay more for a click or an impression and that leaves the products with lower marge behind.

3. to optimze a cam campaign is not to do with trying it with a few 100 euro and stop it.
it is a huge work to get the run and it will always only run on long term.

4. siteowners with traffic are not idiots. they would not sell traffic if they would not
a. give this special part into the hands of MANY (not one) with skills and save working time.
b. get the money right away while the buyer will have to wait for the break even
longer.

5. media buying is a science and this is good because this scientists are able to make more out of it (because they MUST).

6. last not least you can not compare 1 million mass traffic with 20 clicks from social media. even if both can be done in the same time the targeted clicks from social media will always make a better result. the question is if one is happe with 20 super targeted clicks per day from social media and have a conversion rate of 1:5 or if he buys a million
clicks per day and optimize them to maybe 1:50 or 1/100

[The Porn Nerd]

6. last not least you can not compare 1 million mass traffic with 20 clicks from social media. even if both can be done in the same time the targeted clicks from social media will always make a better result. the question is if one is happe with 20 super targeted clicks per day from social media and have a conversion rate of 1:5 or if he buys a million clicks per day and optimize them to maybe 1:50,000 or 1/100,000

There, fixed it for you.

[thommy]

This is not really true. The reason people sell their traffic is because a traffic network can make a lot more money for your traffic than you will trying to monetize it yourself.
This is because they send for example a guy on a mobile in Egypt to an Egypt mobile carrier offer and a guy on a desktop in Japan to a Japanese live cam offer etc.
No matter how valuable your traffic is, if you want the maximum income selling it will always make more than trying to monetize it yourself. You can't compete with a network that has 100s of advertisers wanting to target specific GEOs, devices, etc.

you are right but it is not only that.

you have to see that in any network many people are competing for your traffic and not only one.

means: not only one buyer with limited skills and products hits on it - many are doing it.
and as soon as one have a better result than another he will try to get the traffic from all competitors and pay more.

this is how networks and publishers are existing and can concentrate on just generating traffic.

i have seen so many who thought they can do it alone after they had some nice numbers and all of them struggled.

even the big tubes would not be able to make good money without all this competition and the are using networks (or owning them).

media buy is a taff biz and the most who made money with traffic 15 years ago would not stand this competition anymore.
these are the ones who call it a "ponzi" or a "money grave".

but I am in this biz and I make millions of revenue every year with more or less the same 100-150 buyers. I really doubt that they pay all this big sums because they love my cute brown eyes - if so: thanks to all my customers ;-)

[thommy]

There, fixed it for you.

you must have really bad experience or a fucking out of time product :-)

[The Porn Nerd]

you must have really bad experience or a fucking out of time product :-)

Well I run paysites so of course I have not had luck with traffic buying.
And I absolutely agree that the law of big numbers kick in when we are talking millions of daily uniques to a website.

Metrics and science and data mining have taken over the traffic buying/selling game and unless you are a math whiz, or can hire one (or more), your chances of making a profit are slim. It can be done, of course, and each company has different ideas of their margins and profits (what they are comfortable with).

But for someone who is struggling, is a small company, or is nervous about media buying and does not have deep pockets stay away. That's all I am saying.

(And your brown eyes are indeed so cute!)

[emmasexytime]

Traffic sellers make money as people don't want to spend time/money building good sites and think they can just build a quick site and throw some traffic at it and get rich.

Most bought traffic won't convert well.

[Roald]

you are right but it is not only that.

you have to see that in any network many people are competing for your traffic and not only one.

means: not only one buyer with limited skills and products hits on it - many are doing it.
and as soon as one have a better result than another he will try to get the traffic from all competitors and pay more.

this is how networks and publishers are existing and can concentrate on just generating traffic.

i have seen so many who thought they can do it alone after they had some nice numbers and all of them struggled.

even the big tubes would not be able to make good money without all this competition and the are using networks (or owning them).

media buy is a taff biz and the most who made money with traffic 15 years ago would not stand this competition anymore.
these are the ones who call it a "ponzi" or a "money grave".

but I am in this biz and I make millions of revenue every year with more or less the same 100-150 buyers. I really doubt that they pay all this big sums because they love my cute brown eyes - if so: thanks to all my customers ;-)

Just send you a PM

[DBS.US]

If anyone smart could buy traffic that made them money they would buy it all and never tell anyone.

[thommy]

Well I run paysites so of course I have not had luck with traffic buying.

mediabuying is not gambling or a lottery. it does not have to do with luck - it is same as in every other business that only the best one will win.

And I absolutely agree that the law of big numbers kick in when we are talking millions of daily uniques to a website.

it depends - but big numbers are helping to compare strategies and try out more variations.

but even than advertising can do only the first 2 steps in a buying process.
it can lead the user only until the signup page and what happens from this step on
is not to control with media buying strategies.

Metrics and science and data mining have taken over the traffic buying/selling game and unless you are a math whiz, or can hire one (or more), your chances of making a profit are slim. It can be done, of course, and each company has different ideas of their margins and profits (what they are comfortable with).

sure - and this rule is not only appearing to paid traffic. it appears also to every webmaster who is marketing his traffic on his own. the only difference is that such a webmaster does not pay directly for the traffic and is not forced that much to make the best out of it.
and away from that, what do you think happens to a biz what EVERYBODY can do and can be successful? the best security for a permanent success is a biz what can be done by professionals only.

But for someone who is struggling, is a small company, or is nervous about media buying and does not have deep pockets stay away. That's all I am saying.

they should stay away when they are thinking they will make money with a finger snap
or without all that tools and knowledge or even with what they can read in boards.
that´s the same effect as with SEO.

the one and only way to bring more money in the adult industry is to split the professional parts.

1. is generating traffic ONLY
2. is selling this traffic to as many advertisers as possible to create competition
3. is buying the traffic and have the tools and skills to lead tap to pot
4. are the product owner who are prepared to work with professional marketers

so also YOU should play your part in this game.

i invented the unique clickID in 2007. this idea is the basic of tools like voluum (one of the fastest growing companies in the world) and all this multi offer networks what came up since than would not exist without it. 90% of the media buying on this planet is based on it.

Now 11 years later I still can find TONNS of paysite and affiliate programs what do not even know what it is and why someone can not optimize a campaign without it.

these are the "paul markhams" of this industry who try to find the mistake in all others instead of admitting that they have overslept the market.

the adult industry was not taken from the big ones - the ones they took it over ARE BIG because the have been smarter than the rest.

the original inventor of youporn was a small webmaster when he started it with no big capital. the owner of exoclick was a student with programming skills.
the inventor of voluum was also just a small affiliate marketer what saw the idea behind the clickid and made a public tool from what i had i 2007 already for me alone (yep i was not that smart to make it a public tool because it was not my intension).

this biz is everything else than dead. it is just more concentrated through the famous scissors-effect. there is not really a "middle class" anymore (there was a time when we all were middle class) but many who are crying for the lost of the good old times and a few who took the advantages of the new time.

what i want to say is: you should not think about buying traffic - if you make a product for sellers you have more than enough to do.
i know thousands of mediabuyers what would be happy to promote something different as their competitor. your success is at THIS PART OF THE CHAIN.

(And your brown eyes are indeed so cute!)

i know - and they make me millions ;-)

[elliso]

Any good free or paid sources of getting a good traffic?
any suggestion would be appreacited from experienced guys :-)
thx thommy you always clairifiy iusses with your outstanding ideas and information.
i am thankful