Rant For future reference

[onwebcam]

You're cutting your throat by making members upload identification information to send you money. I won't name names but I just went outside of your site and bought your girls gifts instead. Grant it your girls might stay but your site doesn't get paid and if she's soliciting gifts instead, she knows whats up and not really one of your girls anyway. When you're wondering why you can't make payouts refer back to this post.

[Roald]

[onwebcam]

Surprised there's some actual business discussion on this board? Or is pay serve the culprit? lol

[WarChild]

Do you ever stop and wonder why you need to buy girls "gifts" or pay them cash just to get a little companionship on a web camera? Maybe give up on the conspiracy bullshit and real people will have some interest in talking to you. You'll be a lot less lonely and you might actually start making some inroads to a life. Just saying.

[onwebcam]

Do you ever stop and wonder why you need to buy girls "gifts" or pay them cash just to get a little companionship on a web camera? Maybe give up on the conspiracy bullshit and real people will have some interest in talking to you. You'll be a lot less lonely and you might actually start making some inroads to a life. Just saying.

lol... For starters there is no conspiracy. I don't get companionship on a web camera as you put it, I have my own woman. Do we companion together on cam every so often? hmmm. I dunno. If you will notice my name I've been involved in the webcam business for way past my user name and yours. I tip in the rooms on multiple sites and do so often just as much as I do in the clubs.... A token of appreciation, not companionship. In the 14 years that I have been involved with the webcam business or any business on the internet for that matter.. This is the first time I've had a site ask me to upload my personal information as if I was somehow borrowing money from them.. That is the topic here.. Again no conspiracy.. Just a plain ole shooting in the foot as far as the site owner is concerned I guess.

[martinsc]

taking a seat with some popcorn to wait for the drama....

[Ferus]

some do it when they suspect a stolen card is used

[onwebcam]

some do it when they suspect a stolen card is used

Nope. I have multiple cards. Besides this was well into spending. When the girls know you well by username and hunt you down it's not a fly by night situation. I've also discussed it with others on the site and found that it's common practice. It is someones "idea" of weeding out fraud for sure but in turn they are weeding out spenders. More or less what's more important?

[Ferus]

It is someones "idea" of weeding out fraud for sure but in turn they are weeding out spenders. More or less what's more important?

Depends on your perspective.

As a site owner/operator, it's cheaper to lose one customer that spends $200, than it is to cover the loss of a customer defrauding your for $200

As an affiliate it sucks - I know - but the bottom line for site owners, is to make a profit.


If you have problems with the specific site, why dont you bring it up with them, and maybe help make the system better (if you think you have uncovered a flaw) rather then come to GFY and not mention the programs name

[georgeyw]

Pretty obvious who you are talking about, their motives are to reduce fraud (as has been mentioned) and it works.

[onwebcam]

Pretty obvious who you are talking about, their motives are to reduce fraud (as has been mentioned) and it works.

So break the news. And let's see what works.

[onwebcam]

As a site owner/operator, it's cheaper to lose one customer that spends $200, than it is to cover the loss of a customer defrauding your for $200

Pretty dumb logic if you ask me. The one customer, in the case of cams, isn't a once off, pay the monthly, download content and cancel a month down the road customer. Ideally, if your broadcasters are of any count and your site is still around you have that customer for years. Spending money over those years.. So in turn you haven't just lost a once off $200 you've lost potentially thousands. All because you don't know how to detect/prevent fraud?

In this particular case there were no red flags, it's simply not possible. This was triggered weeks down the road and after multiple transactions on the same card. Then once flagged other card attempts. So it wasn't just one card tied to one bank whom was flagging it so that wasn't the problem either. No difference in billing information whatsoever. It's simply flawed fraud prevention.

Why don't I point it out to them? I am, first and foremost because I know they are here and are reguraly as I have done business with them multiple times via here in the past. Secondly, I'm pretty sure (still trying to determine) that this is 3rd party billing triggered so it isn't just them who is affected. Once the determnation is made I "may" post who said 3rd party is. But maybe enough operators will take a second look at their system, see if something similar appears to be happening, point it out to their provider and said party will correct the flaw before I have to do so.

[Ferus]

Pretty dumb logic if you ask me.

No, its basic math. The $200 you get defrauded out of, is deducted from your PROFIT. The $200 the customer dident spend, is deducted from your revenue. Big Fucking difference.