Is flash dead?

[Mark67]

Is it still worth using flash, or should I use html5?

[acctman]

I hate flash...

[ninavain]

YES...FLASH....IS DEAD

[Nookster]

Flash is absolutely dead. Adobe has officially stated they are no longer developing it as a matter of fact. HTML5 + JS is where it's at now.

[Mike Honcho]

[PornDiscounts-V]

Flash is very alive... My surfers love it. Especially Android ones which out number iPhones anyway.

I never gave two shits about broke ass people with 800x600 screen resolutions that made up 5% of my traffic and 1% of my sales.

I don't give two shits about iPhone morons that make up 3% of my traffic even if they were going to bring in 5% more sales. They would have created 100% more work to worry about their dumb asses.

[crockett]

Flash is absolutely dead. Adobe has officially stated they are no longer developing it as a matter of fact. HTML5 + JS is where it's at now.

This is what totally shows that Adobe is stupid as fuck. Back when they bought out Macromedia and they took over Shockwave, they essentially killed it and stopped any meaningful development with it, because it was competition to Flash.

At the time Shockwave pretty much owned the browser based games market. Added to this Shockwave supported 3d in the web browser probably 6 to 8 years ago if not longer. Despite this Abobe killed Shockwave and said Flash will be the new king.

Meanwhile Adobe didn't really cater Flash to browser based games and pretty much ignored that market letting developers make due with what little tools they had. In comes 3rd party software developers just in time to see games starting to show up on smart phones and gain popularity in the browser market.

Meanwhile Adobe being dumb as fuck totally drops the ball on a upcoming market that they essentially were handed had they put any focus at all on it. Now Flash is dead and they are shit out of luck and completely dropped the ball on being top dog for both smart phone & browser based game development.

[Helix]

Flashnutters

[pornmasta]

for me flash is still not dead.
As long as there is people that uses it, it's not dead.

[Nookster]

This is what totally shows that Adobe is stupid as fuck. Back when they bought out Macromedia and they took over Shockwave, they essentially killed it and stopped any meaningful development with it, because it was competition to Flash.

At the time Shockwave pretty much owned the browser based games market. Added to this Shockwave supported 3d in the web browser probably 6 to 8 years ago if not longer. Despite this Abobe killed Shockwave and said Flash will be the new king.

Meanwhile Adobe didn't really cater Flash to browser based games and pretty much ignored that market letting developers make due with what little tools they had. In comes 3rd party software developers just in time to see games starting to show up on smart phones and gain popularity in the browser market.

Meanwhile Adobe being dumb as fuck totally drops the ball on a upcoming market that they essentially were handed had they put any focus at all on it. Now Flash is dead and they are shit out of luck and completely dropped the ball on being top dog for both smart phone & browser based game development.

Flash was already pretty much dead when macro. sold to Adobe. Flash is useful yes, but not as useful as other viable technologies. Flash has been dying for the past 5 years at least. HTML5 technologies along with JavaScript have killed it officially. It is no longer useful. ...coming from a CTO.

[blackmonsters]

Flash was already pretty much dead when macro. sold to Adobe. Flash is useful yes, but not as useful as other viable technologies. Flash has been dying for the past 5 years at least. HTML5 technologies along with JavaScript have killed it officially. It is no longer useful. ...coming from a CTO.

I will believe that flash is no longer useful when youtube gets rid of their flash video
player. There must be a reason they still use it because I'm sure they can hire a
programmer to write HTML5.

[Matt 26z]

I will believe that flash is no longer useful when youtube gets rid of their flash video
player. There must be a reason they still use it because I'm sure they can hire a
programmer to write HTML5.

They've had the option to switch to HTML5 for some time.
youtube.com/html5

Older browsers are preventing the shift.

[AJHall]

Macromedia decided to make Flash their primary focus and abandon SHockwave. That was when Flash went from being a motion graphics and web design application to being as much or more of a coding/development/game building engine. Then came Flash video.

At this stage, most pay site owners having the Elevated X CMS installed are not offering Flash as a video format, it's dead in this regard. Things are moving towards HTML5/MP4 as a universal combo.

[blackmonsters]

They've had the option to switch to HTML5 for some time.
youtube.com/html5

Older browsers are preventing the shift.

Yeah, everybody knows it's been there a while and that speaks volumes that it
ain't being used after being there that long.

[SomeCreep]

mobile is the future. apple doesnt support flash. use html5.

[pornmasta]

oh btw since flash is dead for most of you ?
who coded in flash in the past ?

[NETbilling]

Flash is very alive... My surfers love it. Especially Android ones which out number iPhones anyway.

I never gave two shits about broke ass people with 800x600 screen resolutions that made up 5% of my traffic and 1% of my sales.

I don't give two shits about iPhone morons that make up 3% of my traffic even if they were going to bring in 5% more sales. They would have created 100% more work to worry about their dumb asses.

lol - really?

[blackmonsters]

oh btw since flash is dead for most of you ?
who coded in flash in the past ?

I still code in flash.

From a programming point of view flash is very useful, it just needs a platform
that plays it.

[FlowerKid]

iPhone and iPad traffic is fully irrelevant these days.

[pstation]

Flash is very alive... My surfers love it. Especially Android ones which out number iPhones anyway.

I never gave two shits about broke ass people with 800x600 screen resolutions that made up 5% of my traffic and 1% of my sales.

I don't give two shits about iPhone morons that make up 3% of my traffic even if they were going to bring in 5% more sales. They would have created 100% more work to worry about their dumb asses.

except that flash has been discontinued for Android as well for quite some time now

[TheSenator]

What is this flash thing you guys talk about?

On GFY half the ads don't show up...LOL

[crissa]

Flash is still used...

[StinkyPink]

Mobile is thriving, and recently I bought 2 new mobile devices. My girlfriend got a galaxy tab 2 and I got a droid dna, neither had flash. Guess what... it was not downloadable in the market either. I had to find an old apk download and transfer it to my devices. Then there is apple users. Sadly the iPhone is still a hot seller.

[Jakke PNG]

everyone would like flash to be dead, but 90% of the mainstream advertising flowing through our system is flash.

[v4 media]

everyone would like flash to be dead, but 90% of the mainstream advertising flowing through our system is flash.

I think this is more about 'flash' as a means to stream video. With device targeting flash adds are still the best at getting a click.

[Jakke PNG]

I think this is more about 'flash' as a means to stream video. With device targeting flash adds are still the best at getting a click.

You can do everything with HTML5 that you can with flash.

[Zeiss]

Not dead, yet.

[facialfreak]

lol - really?

you saw that too huh Mitch?


Hey vvvvvv .... feel free to 301 redirect any of your iOS traffic to me ... I'll take it off your hands.

[just a punk]

Is flash dead?

Not dead yet, but it's definitely dying.

[seeandsee]

flash is not dead, but in 10yrs it will probably go deep in the dark i guess

[Paul&John]

They've had the option to switch to HTML5 for some time.
youtube.com/html5

Older browsers are preventing the shift.

haha thanks for the link.. for some time i couldn't imagine why was that stupid youtube so damn slow in my browser (opera) and eventually it was html5, with flash it's a lot smoother

[k0nr4d]

flash for video playing is still waaaay better then html5.

[bl4h]

stuff evolves. you cant think back 10 years ago and talk shit about something that was revolutionary. Its what probably made html5 come to be.

[crissa]

everyone would like flash to be dead, but 90% of the mainstream advertising flowing through our system is flash.

indeed

[signupdamnit]

It's worth starting to transition to html5 if you can but from what I understand html5 is a PITA still due to different browser implementations and you still have to use flash as a fallback or else you are going to leave a significant number of users out in the cold. So right there clearly you can see that it isn't dead. In fact it is necessary.

It will be dead within two or three years of the time when > 99% of users can use HTML5 video but we're not there yet. There are many webmaster utilities out there which only use flash for video so that's going to keep it around for longer yet. Then people still use it for ads and other displays. My best guess is 3 more years for video, 5 more years for other things. Then after that you will see under 75% of users with flash installed in their browsers.

It always amazes me how many people talk a lot of bullshit about this topic. "Flash is dead" is a twilight zone type comment at this point in time.

[ruff]

Is Flash dead? Ask the tube sites.

[Lykos]

Is Flash dead? Ask the tube sites.

[AJHall]

Keep in mind there's a difference between the Flash Player and Flash video...

[_Richard_]

[2MuchMark]

Flash is absolutely dead. Adobe has officially stated they are no longer developing it as a matter of fact. HTML5 + JS is where it's at now.

Adobe did not state this.

[2MuchMark]

except that flash has been discontinued for Android as well for quite some time now

Flash isn't going away.

A long while back now they said they were going to discontinue delivering Flash via the browser plugin for mobile devices, and instead concentrate on delivering Flash via AIR for mobile devices, which is more "App"-like behavior.

So Flash isn't going away on mobile devices, it's just delivered using a different mechanism on mobile devices, which is better and more consistent.

[digitaldivas]

Flash is very alive... My surfers love it. Especially Android ones which out number iPhones anyway.

I never gave two shits about broke ass people with 800x600 screen resolutions that made up 5% of my traffic and 1% of my sales.

I don't give two shits about iPhone morons that make up 3% of my traffic even if they were going to bring in 5% more sales. They would have created 100% more work to worry about their dumb asses.

[Antonio]

flash, Elvis, and Tupac are alive, piriod

[digitaldivas]

flash for video playing is still waaaay better then html5.

Are you kidding? No pixel artifacts, No render degradation, No tons of embed code, um, I dunno, i don't think it gets much simpler than

<video width="320" height="240" controls>
<source src="movie.mp4" type="video/mp4">
Your browser does not support the video tag.
</video>

70 percent of browsers are hmtl 5 ready, turnkey after download.

etc, etc, etc...

[digitaldivas]

It's worth starting to transition to html5 if you can but from what I understand html5 is a PITA still due to different browser implementations and you still have to use flash as a fallback or else you are going to leave a significant number of users out in the cold. So right there clearly you can see that it isn't dead. In fact it is necessary.

It will be dead within two or three years of the time when > 99% of users can use HTML5 video but we're not there yet. There are many webmaster utilities out there which only use flash for video so that's going to keep it around for longer yet. Then people still use it for ads and other displays. My best guess is 3 more years for video, 5 more years for other things. Then after that you will see under 75% of users with flash installed in their browsers.

It always amazes me how many people talk a lot of bullshit about this topic. "Flash is dead" is a twilight zone type comment at this point in time.

incorrect, .ogg and .webm are preferred fallbacks according to WWC

[pornmasta]

You can do everything with HTML5 that you can with flash.

no: you can't make a single bundle that becomes viral like with flash.
It's harder to steal a html5 content and with flash it's easier, the problem is that sometimes it's useful that people spread your shit.
Since there is no other format that allow people to do that, flash is not dead.
And even then, the web is full of flash content and there is still a lot of fan of it.
In fact there is much more content in flash than content in HTML5, so again: flash is not dead and probably never will.
Is amiga dead ? well, it's no more used but there is still games and fans of them. It will happen the same with flash.

[stinkyfingers]

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Steve Jobs is burning in hell. nobody there cares either ........

[signupdamnit]

incorrect, .ogg and .webm are preferred fallbacks according to WWC

Hmmm. Are those fallbacks all working on Firefox 3.0+ and IE 7.0+ though? If not then that means losing viewers where flash would still work.

[StinkyPink]

I can see that putting the "video" element aside for a minute... most folks replying in this thread are unaware of what HTML5+CSS3+JS can do.

[pornmasta]

I can see that putting the "video" element aside for a minute... most folks replying in this thread are unaware of what HTML5+CSS3+JS can do.

- give me a good WYSIWYG editor for HTML5 like for flash
- tell me how the merge all the files (.js + .html + .css) in one single and easy-to-handle bundle (like .swf)

Then ok, flash can die.
If the games creators continue to code in flash because it's more convenient, then flash can't die.
A file format dies because people stop to use it.