Dear affiliate programs & new affiliates

[lovelykatie23]

If your company cannot afford to pay its webmasters PPS, perhaps you should consider only offering Revshare or not having an affiliate program at all. Kill the façade. If you're struggling, reorganize!!! If you know you can't roll with the big boys, make some changes!! Stop offering these high PPS amounts when you know you can't afford it!!

There appears to be a common theme here: Affiliate gets a lot of PPS -> they're not converting (probably b/c of crappy content)-> affiliate gets blamed -> company decides to move you to Rev or that it just won't pay you and there's nothing you can do about it-> they take back the sales you made for the period and decide they're just going to ban your account without notifying you->you inquire about why this happened->sometimes you get no response and sometimes you get the old "fraud" story, but one thing you're NOT getting is your money.

Also, raise your hand if you've ever received the webmaster referral bonus...lol With one very popular program, I had almost 100 referrals within a 12 month period and I never received a bonus payment. You mean to tell me that out of almost 100 people, not one person became active? GTFOH!!

After promoting a program for almost 3 years with no issues, all of a sudden my account is banned because of 2 (supposed) chargebacks within a 3 day period!!?? GTFOH! I'VE BEEN ROBBED....lol

Here's some tips for new affiliates:

1.) Research the program before you sign up. Check the net for complaints. These webmasters are busy folks and usually aren't going to waste their time complaining about a program unless there's a serious problem.

2.) If offered, bypass PPS and go straight to revshare. If you begin to make a lot of PPS sales, they will find a way to not pay you. Just save yourself the headache. They can give you any reason for not paying you b/c there's no way to verify the information.

3.) Don't put too much time and money into promoting these programs. You'll surely be disappointed in the end. Find something that's not being offered and invest in it. That's what I've done and it's working out quite nicely. I'm slowly moving away from affiliate programs.

4.) (If you must remain in the game) I've never had a problem with Bangbros, Nasty Dollars and Huge Traffic. They pay on time and they respond to my inquiries in a timely manner. There are other good ones out there, but these are the main ones that I currently promote.

Good luck!

[Roald]

If your company cannot afford to pay its webmasters PPS, perhaps you should consider only offering Revshare or not having an affiliate program at all.

http://www.freeones.com/hallofshame/

almost all pushed with revshare and still not paying us ;)

[lovelykatie23]

..doesn't surprise me..

http://www.freeones.com/hallofshame/

almost all pushed with revshare and still not paying us ;)

Wow! I am not surprised.

[adulttraffic]

There appears to be a common theme here: Affiliate gets a lot of PPS -> they're not converting (probably b/c of crappy content)-> affiliate gets blamed ->

High $ PPS programs usually make much of their $ from cross sales, not rebills.

[Va2k]

That sucks, hate to see threads like this, we do have a $25.00 flat rate we pay our webmasters and never had any problems ( Knock on wood )

Freeones that really shocks me and they even know you put them on the wall of shame lol

[Yanks_Todd]

Great Post. I will add to it. Before you push a program look at the site (inside and out) and ask yourself two simple questions.

Would somebody buy a membership? and How many months will they stay a member?

Whether or not you will get paid on PPS is a simple equation.

Is the customer lifetime value (CLV) greater than or = to the PPS amount + operating cost to keep member + customer acquisition cost(how much it cost them to get you as an affiliate) + processing cost (7%-15%) + how much the company is willing to take as profit.

The PPS given from an honest company is simply the highest amount they can stomach in regards to their own profit. So if you look at the site and believe most people won't rebill and it's $30 a month with a $2 trial, chances are they can't pay you a $45 PPS.

Lastly read reviews about the sites themselves, not just the program. Rabbit's, The Best Porn are great places to figure out if the member's will rebill or not.

[Va2k]

Great Post. I will add to it. Before you push a program look at the site (inside and out) and ask yourself two simple questions.

Would somebody buy a membership? and How many months will they stay a member?

Whether or not you will get paid on PPS is a simple equation.

Is the customer lifetime value (CLV) greater than or = to the PPS amount + operating cost to keep member + customer acquisition cost(how much it cost them to get you as an affiliate) + processing cost (7%-15%) + how much the company is willing to take as profit.

The PPS given from an honest company is simply the highest amount they can stomach in regards to their own profit. So if you look at the site and believe most people won't rebill and it's $30 a month with a $2 trial, chances are they can't pay you a $45 PPS.

Lastly read reviews about the sites themselves, not just the program. Rabbit's, The Best Porn are great places to figure out if the member's will rebill or not.

AWESOME post brother, you hit the nail on the head with this one.

[Yanks_Todd]

High $ PPS programs usually make much of their $ from cross sales, not rebills.

Sure and what do they get for those Xsales? High $ PPS. It's a ponzi scheme and when it falls the affiliates are the ones not getting paid.

[Nicky]

We pay one of the highest PPS and we will pay you! But like you said go with revshare right away, our 70% rev will make you more than the PPS in the long-haul anyway.

And how can we pay such high PPS on trials? We have great re-bills. Years of very niche exclusive content will do that.

[_Richard_]

if you're looking for programs that pay weekly, on time, and with high PPS, hit me up

i pay 5% WM referral, but i can bump you to 10% immediately.

[Yanks_Todd]

AWESOME post brother, you hit the nail on the head with this one.

Thanks dude!

[blonda80]

good post

[Sexy Rex]

Well we've been around since 1998 without PPS, only revshare and I believe we're the only ones to publish our top 100 affiliates detailed stats. I take some pride in not offering PPS, helps a lot to maintain good long lasting relations with customers and affiliates. My 2cc

[MrDeiz]

Have you checked Signbucks.com ever?

[adultchatpay]

High $ PPS programs usually make much of their $ from cross sales, not rebills.

Yeah i totally agree.

[SmutHammer]

I have heard many nightmares of high PPS killing sites, That's why we don't hand out any money that doesn't come in. Maybe you can avoid these problems all together by just staying away from programs that are not using ccbill.

[Yanks_Todd]

I have heard many nightmares of high PPS killing sites, That's why we don't hand out any money that doesn't come in. Maybe you can avoid these problems all together by just staying away from programs that are not using ccbill.

There are plenty of good companies who don't use CCbill.

[SmutHammer]

There are plenty of good companies who don't use CCbill.

I'm not saying that there isn't. But for those who are worried about being paid Ccbill is a sure thing.


Edit: If I decided to go the route of being an affiliate I wouldn't limit myself to ccbill sites. But would look at it as a bonus

[Yanks_Todd]

I'm not saying that there isn't. But for those who are worried about being paid Ccbill is a sure thing.


Edit: If I decided to go the route of being an affiliate I wouldn't limit myself to ccbill sites. But would look at it as a bonus

Agreed, that makes sense.

[Tjeezers]

People who offer PPS could be selling the clients of to other programs for some money. I think a lot of programs would sell their clients of to a live cam site that offers..let`s say...$300 per signup. On this way they can assure the PPS promo, and act real big

Not sure of course, but behind the smoke screen programs are build on each others hand shake... You give me some, I give you some, lets throw some content in the middle and use the webmaster slaves as traffic cows ;) All wild suggestions based on nothing ;)

And here you are posting, thinking the program owners are in need for advice

[adultmobile]

As roald noted, I believe there are as much revshare non-paying programs as pps non-paying programs. Those with pps, more likely than not pay at all, they will mail you saying "sorry the productivity of your traffic is low, so from now on you're paid [half the pps price]". Then is you to decide you want to continue for lower PPS payout or not.
Also, I have no idea how non-cams programs can pay $100+ PPS (xsells or so), but for cam programs this is quite possible to pay it, even if more than $100 PPS it looks too big even for cams. In our case we have set it to $80 and this is quite expensive to us... it is sustainable from nornal traffic, but for example direct sales (filipino facebook/msn/yhoo spammers or such) they generate lots of sales as their "bf" will "I deposit $10 here from your link to help you bb" and they no more return (they signup to make a favor to the filipina) so its $70 loss forever, just an example the PPS system is not sustainable...

[Struggle4Bucks]

We pay one of the highest PPS and we will pay you! But like you said go with revshare right away, our 70% rev will make you more than the PPS in the long-haul anyway.

And how can we pay such high PPS on trials? We have great re-bills. Years of very niche exclusive content will do that.

Why do you offer 70% rev share? Are you trying to set a new standard for the industry or only trying to bite yourself in the ass?

[rastan]

Pretty straightforward. We, or rather, CCBill pay 50/50 revshare for us to affiliates. So, oddly, we're still in business, and our affiliates still enjoy getting the rebill cheques.
You know, this business really aint that hard if you play with a straight bad and dont shaft people.

[JFK]

Well we've been around since 1998 without PPS, only revshare and I believe we're the only ones to publish our top 100 affiliates detailed stats. I take some pride in not offering PPS, helps a lot to maintain good long lasting relations with customers and affiliates. My 2cc

GO Rex

[JamesM]

There are many factors,
many programs will convert you from PPS to revshare depending on your traffic.

For getting paid on time, promote the the old & stable programs or you just go CCBill route.

CCBill has variety of sites and they pay on time, contact specific CCBill program to convert you to PPS from Rev-share, if you can give them few sales a day.

We mainly offer rev-share but for volume sales we also offer PPS.

2cents

[iwantchixx]

There have been MANY solid PPS programs out there (I won't name them simply because they are now all bought out and stopped paying at that point) but in today's marketsphere... If you touch PPS, You will eventually get burned or learn just how good your traffic actually is. if it's good and the company is honest, you'll do well. If either of those two are bad (company's honesty or your traffic), you will get fucked over.

So ask yourself... is the company established, trusted and in good faith? Also ask, can your traffic support retention? In all honesty, traffic from a source of many options will seldom be as profitable long-term as traffic from a source of little options to choose from.

[signupdamnit]

There have been MANY solid PPS programs out there (I won't name them simply because they are now all bought out and stopped paying at that point) but in today's marketsphere... If you touch PPS, You will eventually get burned or learn just how good your traffic actually is. if it's good and the company is honest, you'll do well. If either of those two are bad (company's honesty or your traffic), you will get fucked over.

So ask yourself... is the company established, trusted and in good faith? Also ask, can your traffic support retention? In all honesty, traffic from a source of many options will seldom be as profitable long-term as traffic from a source of little options to choose from.

Believe it or not it's just the opposite. Yes revshare sponsors tend to be more stable. But with PPS you only have a month or two of earnings outstanding at any given time and you can switch your traffic up easily assuming you have an easy way to do that. If the PPS sponsor starts doing shady things or shaving you then can leave them and be done with it and move your traffic to someone better.

With revshare you may have thousands in rebills tied to that company. If they disappear you are going to feel it more. Even more significant is that there are more opportunities to be shady on revshare such as by shaving rebills. It's much harder to leave. It's also getting common for companies to run away with the rebills or start seeing affiliates with outstanding rebills as a liability.

This is why if you do have to work with shady people and you have a choice PPS is usually the better option. Revshare used to be called a partnership program so think of it this way: Revshare is a marriage. PPS is a one night stand.

[signupdamnit]

I'm not saying that there isn't. But for those who are worried about being paid Ccbill is a sure thing.


Edit: If I decided to go the route of being an affiliate I wouldn't limit myself to ccbill sites. But would look at it as a bonus

Yes. There are good sponsors who do not use CCBill. But the affiliate often incurs more risk by using them. I'm surprised more sponsors don't put pressure on the companies who are refusing to pay or who are otherwise playing games. These attitudes of "I'm only going to use CCBill programs" which some affiliates have do not develop for no reason. They develop because the affiliate is sick of being screwed. If you're a sponsor and you see an affiliate wanting their money from a non paying sponsor consider showing your support and trying to help them get it. It just might effect your business too.