Paycom.net ( Epoch systems )

[Clement]

Hey,

I was looking at this company and it seems that a lot of adult sites are using their services like babylon-x, gammacash etc etc ... what do you think about paycom.net also called epoch systems ? I read a lot of different things about them :
http://home.ec.rr.com/galland/paycom/

and some webmasters told me they were good ...

let me know what you think about this company.

Thanks

Kind regards,
Clement - DeluxePass.com
ICQ # 67876744

[Wizzo]

I think they owe alot of people alot of money...

[Forest]

Epoch owes TONS in reserves to people...

Dont know about the other proggie

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[Clement]

Well, I heard they got several bank issues but that they were paying, even if they were a lil late ...

not sure tho ...

Kind regards,
Clement - DeluxePass.com
ICQ #67876744

[mika]

Didn't pay me what they owed. Sure, anyone can go ahead and see if they're luckier than me.

[Clement]

Originally posted by mika:
Didn't pay me what they owed. Sure, anyone can go ahead and see if they're luckier than me.

What happened exactly ? a notice or something ? ... A friend did receive checks from them just two days ago.

Let me know

Clement - DeluxePass.com
ICQ # 67876744

[Gary]

I stopped using them a couple years ago after they went like 6 weeks without sending out checks. I wont use any company that depends on epoch to send checks. I trust them as far as i could throw them. (which isnt very far)

I cant believe anyonce still uses them with IBILL and CCBILL around.

[boneprone]

Try Jesus Bill.

Its the new billing company back east, and unlike the standard billing companies, it can take the chineese and foreign credit cards.

They also dont take 15% they only take 2.64% of all transactions. Its going to be a global leader in billing, as it is alrady in most Eastern Countries.

They are growing exponentialy here in the US.
Id look into it. I think its only a fraction of the cost for a merchant account also.

They are ran and owned by the same comapny that does the Jesus Dialer, which is the industry leader in dialers if you follow the industry.

[This message has been edited by boneprone (edited 10-10-2001).]

[boneprone]

anyone try them?

[ElvisManson]

I personally prefered Satanic Billing...

They pay a Hell of a lot better

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[Rob Roy]

Over the years, I've used a couple of sponsors that use Epoch -- one of which used to be my primary sponsor.

Epoch/Paycom has, at times, been as much as two months behind in payments, but eventually has paid, and they are now "caught up." For example, I got two checks today for the week of Sept. 15-21.

There used to be an issue with the "reserve" money -- which I didn't pay much attention to (although I probably should have). I'm not sure what happened with that, but my current checks do not have anything held back in "reserve" that really should be mine (at least, not as far as I can tell).

Rob

[Clement]

Originally posted by Rob Roy:
Over the years, I've used a couple of sponsors that use Epoch -- one of which used to be my primary sponsor.

Epoch/Paycom has, at times, been as much as two months behind in payments, but eventually has paid, and they are now "caught up." For example, I got two checks today for the week of Sept. 15-21.

There used to be an issue with the "reserve" money -- which I didn't pay much attention to (although I probably should have). I'm not sure what happened with that, but my current checks do not have anything held back in "reserve" that really should be mine (at least, not as far as I can tell).

Rob

mmm, looks like they had a lot of problems, but it seems that they pay. What billing company do you think is the best right now ? Ibill is totally fucking up and CCBill is very weird on my site ... I can get 10 signups in 1 hour (11am EST) and nothing during 5 hours ... and that doesn't make any sense ...

Clement - DeluxePass.com
ICQ # 67876744

[boneprone]

perhaps you didnt read my suggestion?

[Clement]

Originally posted by boneprone:
perhaps you didnt read my suggestion?

arg yep, I skipped it .... you have an url ? jesusbill.com doesn't seem to be it.

Clement - DeluxePass.com
ICQ # 67876744

[tha_timinator]

Originally posted by Clement



mmm, looks like they had a lot of problems, but it seems that they pay. What billing company do you think is the best right now ? Ibill is totally fucking up and CCBill is very weird on my site ... I can get 10 signups in 1 hour (11am EST) and nothing during 5 hours ... and that doesn't make any sense ...

Clement - DeluxePass.com
ICQ # 67876744

what's wrong with ibill?

[m0rph3us]

Originally posted by tha_timinator



what's wrong with ibill?

Hmm let's see..

In Nov...
1. refshave kinda went 'poof' from signup page for like 4 days and ibill didn't record signups for revsharers

2. their customers service extremely sucks (triple underline extremely)

In Dec... up and down... all the time
They did a 350k hardware updgrade and then their redundant table got fucked for like two weeks we couldn't get in CMI and in CS to cancel users.

THeir rebills are in 'queue' for 7 days now not going through ...
Their rebill sitatuion wasn't visible for like two weeks in Dec.

Now their Projected Rebill application doesn't work...

Want more... ?

[Snake Doctor]

Originally posted by m0rph3us


Hmm let's see..

In Nov...
1. refshave kinda went 'poof' from signup page for like 4 days and ibill didn't record signups for revsharers

Revshave????
Now that's a freudian slip if ever I saw one :D

[Dopy]

Originally posted by Clement


arg yep, I skipped it .... you have an url ? jesusbill.com doesn't seem to be it.

Clement

Don't get sucked in by these bible bashing freaks. Jesus Bill take 1% of all transactions to support their global religious activities.
This is an example of what that 1% goes towards, I suggest you leave well alone.

http://www.jesusdressup.com/

[Bake]

Epoach suck Im still waiting for checks I had a nice sponsor that converted well for me but I have stop pushing them because they use epoach. It seem the only way to get paid buy them Is email them and ask.

[Theo]

Clement, they owe many grands to Conrad and they make up an excuse that someone hacked his account blah blah...

[funkmaster]

"I cant believe anyonce still uses them with IBILL and CCBILL around."

... you´ll never know until you know !!!

[FATPad]

Originally posted by Gary
I stopped using them a couple years ago after they went like 6 weeks without sending out checks. I wont use any company that depends on epoch to send checks. I trust them as far as i could throw them. (which isnt very far)

I cant believe anyonce still uses them with IBILL and CCBILL around.

Amen. I stopped using them a little over two years ago. If a sponsor I'm looking at uses Epoch I won't touch them.

[12clicks]

hmmm, I get checks from epoch every week. They fell behind for a while and have now caught up.

Of course, you could never go wrong with CCbill.

[ldinternet]

Jesus Bill, eh?

Has anyone tried Allah Bill yet?

[The Truth]

I had a horrible experience with epoch almost a year ago when Matrix first opened Matrix Dollars. I was owed about a grand and never got anything but excuses. In fact one of epoch's reps was an absolute asshole to me on the phone but that's another story all together.

Bottom line was that it took a very stern phone call from John @ Matrix to epoch to get my checks. Soon after that call was made the checks started to come in but since then I refuse to do business with them. There stats are so fuckin' shitty anyway... no referrers, no clicks, nothing. I don't know why anyone uses them even if they are paying now. It's common knowledge that they've had a lot of problems in the past and there are plenty of alternatives.

[Epoch]

I never post, but after reading this thread its obvious I need to.

First of all, Yes epoch did have problems which started 2 years ago and yes this resulted in payment problems. Most of you do not realize
that Epoch was never paid for Tens of Millions of dollars of credit card transactions which it processed on behalf of webmasters. Even though we were never paid we still paid webmasters in full.
Unlike other 3rd party billing companies which found themselves in similar situations and just closed their doors resulting in webmasters never being paid.

There is an action in federal court now regarding the loss of the above funds, a copy of this action can be found here:

http://www.paycom.net/lawsuit.pdf

Just to clarify some of the rumors here...

Epoch does not owe tons of money

Epoch does not have banking issues

Epoch has resolved reserve issues

Epochs weekly payments are like clockwork

Why do you think that the largest sponsors continue to use epoch?

CEN, Silvercash, Flashcash, Python, Gammae, Topbucks, Platinumbucks just to name a few...

why because they make more money, have higher conversions, fewer credits and chargebacks and use a system which they can rely on being up 24/7/365
plus they have the most flexible processing interface in the industry.

Also if you haven't seen the new tools they are using then you should inquire because some companies have increased sales by 50% or more with
no increase in traffic.

If anyone out there feels that they are owed money by Epoch then send me an email and I will personally check into this matter for you, if you are owed money you will be paid.

Clay Andrews
President and COO
[email protected]

http://www.epochsystems.com

[erotictrance]

Well ... I am about to start using Paycom officially this week ... and they have been terrific so far ...

Yes, I heard about all of the problems about payments a year ago. I actually posted questions about this before I opened my account with them. You may want to look up those posts here at GFY and at Adultwebmasterinfo.com ...

Basically ... the vast majority of people said their payments were caught up and that Paycom had solved their problems ...

I'm launching a phone sex site ... and CCBill and IBill wouldn't give me the time of day for that. Besides, there have been so many reported problems with IBill in recent weeks, I wouldn't want to use them anyway ...

I can tell you that I can always get somebody on the phone at Paycom. The staff has always answered my questions and been incredibly responsive ...

And when I requested specific payment options for my site, which were pretty much only available to big customers ... Paycom saw the benefit of offering it to small webmasters like myself, and they developed a new interface for it that I will be beta testing for them ...

All of the processing companies have problems. There were problems reported with CCBill recently as well ... that alleged hacking/security controversy ... among other things ...

But I measure a company by how they respond when I call. And so far, Paycom has bent over backwards for me. I'm sure that if any problems arise, they will be resolved quickly based upon the incredible response I've received from them ....

And I'm just a tiny fish in a huge pond so .... kudos to them for responding so well to small webmasters ...

If that changes, of course, I will be the first one to bitch and scream about it on this board ... LOL ...

But from what I've seen ... I doubt my opinion will change.

[redshift]

I've been using sponsers using epoch for many months and have always gotten paid.

I do wish they had better stats

[Epoch]

redshift

we are in the process of upgrading our entire
reporting system, you will be extremely happy
once completed

[redshift]

great glad to hear it

it hasn't been that big of a problem - I use live stats to count clicks to sponsers that use epoch.

what I need to know more that anything else , Is what url the sale came from.

[Theo]

what a sponser is ?

[goodgirl]

I get my checks ontime and I have been using this sponsor that uses Epoch for a few months. Actually its my best sponsor too.

gg

[erotictrance]

BTW ... I think it's very cool that the president of the company is responding to this ...

You don't see that very often ...

[Theo]

Epoch
I am probably spamming

[redshift]

blacksonblondes.com

killer recurring - gotta love that dogfart stuff

I did googirls for awhile but they cant hold on to the sub's

[Clovis]

Epochs problems seem to behind them now. They are pretty well caught up on payments. If you havent used them in a while it might be worth giving them a second chance.

[Conrad]

Epoch owes me around $15,000 (not including the reserve money). They closed all my accounts in April 2001 claiming that someone hacked them and used fraud credit card. No evidences or explanations were send to me. They owe me money for:
- September/2000 - signups & recurring sales
- March/2001 - signups & recurring sales
- April/2001 - - signups & recurring sales
- May/2001 - January/2002 - recurring sales
I recruit other webmasters cheated by this company. I found 3 other people so far. We will file lawsuit against Epoch soon. If you or someone you know is owed a large sum of money from Epoch/Paycom, please contact me:
Conrad
[email protected]
http://www.ilove-movies.com

[12clicks]

Originally posted by Conrad
Epoch owes me around $15,000 (not including the reserve money). They closed all my accounts in April 2001 claiming that someone hacked them and used fraud credit card. No evidences or explanations were send to me. They owe me money for:
- September/2000 - signups & recurring sales
- March/2001 - signups & recurring sales
- April/2001 - - signups & recurring sales
- May/2001 - January/2002 - recurring sales
I recruit other webmasters cheated by this company. I found 3 other people so far. We will file lawsuit against Epoch soon. If you or someone you know is owed a large sum of money from Epoch/Paycom, please contact me:
Conrad
[email protected]
http://www.ilove-movies.com

Conrad, thieves like yourself make claims of all sorts and their case sounds great on message boards. Unfortunately for you, they don't hold up in court.

[erotictrance]

LOL 12 Clicks ... very interesting ...

[funkmaster]

"We will file lawsuit against Epoch soon."

... LOL !!

[Lensman]

I know they've had issues in the past, but I hear nothing but good things about them these days.

[redshift]

Originally posted by Conrad
[BI recruit other webmasters cheated by this company. I found 3 other people so far. We will file lawsuit against Epoch soon. If you or someone you know is owed a large sum of money from Epoch/Paycom, please contact me:
Conrad
[email protected]
http://www.ilove-movies.com [/B]

See folks this what happens when mommy smokes crack during pregnancy

[erotictrance]

What's really funny about this lawsuit threat is that if he was actually going to sue for alleged monies owed -- starting on Sept. 2000 --- he probably should have filed suit by Sept. 2001 or shortly thereafter ...

Usually you have to file a claim within a year ... otherwise the lawsuit may be thrown out ... LOL

Of course, he still might have time to file for the other alleged monies owed ... but he probably has a statute of limitations problem because you have to file when the alleged fraud is discovered.

And he has now publicly stated that he was allegedly ripped off starting on September 2000 ....

Not that this is a serious threat anyway ... but I thought the above info might be entertaining ... LOL

[Ludedude]

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
what a sponser is ?

I know what a sponser isn't...

Soul, how do you support those ripoff artists over at UP?

[Kimmykim]

"CCBill is very weird on my site ... I can get 10 signups in 1 hour (11am EST) and nothing during 5 hours ... and that doesn't make any sense ..."
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Makes perfect sense. The law of averages says that you will convert at a certain rate. Say for easy math, 1:100.

That doesn't mean that every 100th shot will be a sale, it just means that if you throw enough traffic at it, you will average 1:100.

[Theo]

ok let's dance

Ludedude, when i joined UP i thought it was related with FNP and i learned from here that they stole the design from FNP. Do I support them? Currently, UP converts very well and for me it's the only thing that matters. I'm sure Dave from FNP can take care the part of copying their work, but this is an issue that it hasn't to do with me.

redshift, probably you don't know who Conrad is and keep the crack lines for your own mother bro. I bet you don't know for what you're talking about and everyone that has been ripped from sponsors knows how hard is to go after them.

Many of the webmasters here have lost many grands over years from bad sponsors, almost NONE and NEVER followed the law solution. Imagine now living in Europe and facing the same problem.


Conrad is a very honest webmasters which has been paid for many years from a lot of sponsors, large amounts of money without having ever any problem. He faced a problem with Epoch and not with the sponsor.

Concerning epoch: read the posts above and get your own conclusions. Some of the webmasters already gave an answer from their personal experience.

[12clicks]

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel


Many of the webmasters here have lost many grands over years from bad sponsors, almost NONE and NEVER followed the law solution.

many sponsors have lost much more from bad webmasters so what's your point?


I've NEVER heard of a processor or sponsor accuse someone of fraud over signups for no reason.
I HAVE heard of webmasters trying to defraud sponsors and processors however.
I've also seen many cases of a thieving webmaster's friends telling us all how honest they are.

While history doesn't always prove to be right, it is 99.9% of the time. ;)

[funkmaster]

... well, it´s like lensman said ... they had their issues in the past, but I also only heared good things about them lately ... but I do know of too many people that have never ever gotten their reserve back, and that really leaves a bad taste for the future ... doesn´t it ??

[Theo]

"many sponsors have lost much more from bad webmasters so what's your point? "

No doubt and these fuckers are responsible for the bad end of some sponsors. I reffered to the difficulty there's to do something in such cases and of course this includes both parts (webmasters/sponsors).

If someone makes a search on the board he'll see me reffering that sponsors having Epoch as main CC processor do pretty well. As funkmaster said, past events leave bad taste and if you belong to the people that haven't being paid from Epoch in the past for sure you don't even wanna hear the company's name.

[erotictrance]

Originally posted by Epoch


If anyone out there feels that they are owed money by Epoch then send me an email and I will personally check into this matter for you, if you are owed money you will be paid.

Clay Andrews
President and COO
[email protected]

http://www.epochsystems.com

The president of the company has offered to make good on any unpaid account balances, if owed. If people have issues, they should contact him.

If these people have a valid claim, contact the president, and Paycom still refuses to pay --- then they would obviously have a legtimate reason to complain. But until then, what else would you expect the company to do?