HTML5 and Flash/Video HTML5

[EddyTheDog]

I was in another thread and I think this subject needs a new one....

HTML5 - With Apple and now MS (in Win8) saying they will not support Adobe (without a fight) are they forcing us to use HTML5 and are we ready?

I would like to see you NotePad nerds build me a tube site in HTML5!

Yeah, I know I am not going to get away with it that easy

Are we ready for a revolution/evolution to be forced upon us now - it is happening faster than you think..

[vdbucks]

I was in another thread and I think this subject needs a new one....

HTML5 - With Apple and now MS (in Win8) saying they will not support Adobe (without a fight) are they forcing us to use HTML5 and are we ready?

I would like to see you NotePad nerds build me a tube site in HTML5!

Yeah, I know I am not going to get away with it that easy

Are we ready for a revolution/evolution to be forced upon us now - it is happening faster than you think..

Never trust microsoft to handle web browsers(ing) properly... even if they only support HTML, they'll stick to their standards of developing IE outside of actual web standards and thus requiring more hacks and shit to get sites to display properly...

Do yourself a favor and stick to chrome, ff, or even opera....

[nation-x]

I am not going to build you a tube site but here are the command lines to encode high quality videos for html progressive playback on the iphone and android.

/usr/bin/ffmpeg -y -i <input_video> -vf scale='640:trunc(ow/a/2)*2' -acodec libfaac -ab 256k -ac 2 -ar 44100 -vcodec libx264 -f flv -fpre <path_to_presets>/presets/libx264-lossless_slow.ffpreset -crf 22 -threads 0 -f mp4 <output_video>

/usr/bin/MP4Box -inter 0 <video_file>

[19teenporn]

The ideal thing would be that sponsors gave affiliates hosted videos in mp4 and ogg extensions (like every video in both ext.) so we could easily have the option to play those in our sites instead of having to upload and convert.

But waiting that from sponsors would be some kind of utopy lol. Huge sponsors can't make decent export tools with the right options, can't give decent descriptions, can't give decent rss options, etc etc.

Can't give hosted FLVs for every single one of their scenes so we can promote them better...

NAM updated their platform several months ago and since then there's just a few flvs for affiliates to promote them.
Juggcash doesn't give us xml rss feeds so we can import all their automatically.
Playboy, reality cashe, only has a handfull of videos for affiliates to promote, and if you ask for more there comes that person who posts here and sarcastically tells you to contact them via ICQ and then never answer, giving that ridiculous excuse: we're having issues with our ICQ...

And i could go on forever.

Sponsors aren't smart enough to give their affs all possible promo tools(the right way) so affs can promote them more and better and make THEM more money, so i think specting them to give us tools to work with HTML5 is something impossible.

Maybe in 20 years...

[acctman]

I hate Flash, Chrome or IE crashes at least 3 times a week because of it. I'm all for HTML5

[harvey]

I was in another thread and I think this subject needs a new one....

HTML5 - With Apple and now MS (in Win8) saying they will not support Adobe (without a fight) are they forcing us to use HTML5 and are we ready?

I would like to see you NotePad nerds build me a tube site in HTML5!

Yeah, I know I am not going to get away with it that easy

Are we ready for a revolution/evolution to be forced upon us now - it is happening faster than you think..

we already did it, what do I win?

[EukerVoorn]

The way I understand it (and I'm not an expert so correct me if I'm wrong), you can embed your own player in your html5 coding and if the browser or server doesn't support html5 video, it automatically switches back to flash video / mp4 h.264. Also there is a license conflict between FireFox and html5 video. In some discussion I followed some time ago the conclusion is that if you chose for html5 video and you want your site to be compatible with all browsers, you need to have 4 different versions of your videos, in 4 different formats. The conclusion was: html5 video is probably not going to make it, stick with flv/mp4 for now. If you publish for iPhone or iPad only through dedicated sites it's another thing of course, I'm talking about web html only.

[sambucas]

Windows 8 will not support any plugins (including their own Silverlight) in lightweight "Metro" version, eg on tablets, mobile etc. So it's not about Flash. However Windows 8 for desktops will fully support Flash.. And with new Flash 11 coming out soon Apple can shove their iOS because they will be left without all the cool things that Flash 11 brings with it such as really fast 3d rendering. Looks like the future of web is 3d after all.

PS. most Android devices run Flash no problem, so maybe it's not Flash that crashes iOS?

[Tempest]

I was in another thread and I think this subject needs a new one....

HTML5 - With Apple and now MS (in Win8) saying they will not support Adobe (without a fight) are they forcing us to use HTML5 and are we ready?

I would like to see you NotePad nerds build me a tube site in HTML5!

Yeah, I know I am not going to get away with it that easy

Are we ready for a revolution/evolution to be forced upon us now - it is happening faster than you think..

If you code your sites with XHTML (and actually adhere to the standards), then html5 is nothing. It takes the current standard and throws in some bells and whistles. In fact, last week I modified one of my sites to be html5 and it was dead simple. Implemented the video stuff in html5 with flash fallbacks. Works like a charm.

Coding up a tube site for html5 is also simple dead simple. The real issue though is all the different video conversions that need to be done in order to ensure your surfers can watch them no matter what they're on.

[Tempest]

In some discussion I followed some time ago the conclusion is that if you chose for html5 video and you want your site to be compatible with all browsers, you need to have 4 different versions of your videos, in 4 different formats. The conclusion was: html5 video is probably not going to make it, stick with flv/mp4 for now. If you publish for iPhone or iPad only through dedicated sites it's another thing of course, I'm talking about web html only.

The video issue has nothing to do with html5 but with the different companies all trying to do their own thing as opposed to coming up with a true standard. If you are using flash with H.264 (mp4), then you can do html5 right now with a flash fallback and you'll be just as compatible as you are now.

[fris]

whats html5

[nation-x]

whats html5

It's a homosexual swinger organization... you Have To Make Love to 5 men to join.

[AJHall]

I was in another thread and I think this subject needs a new one....

HTML5 - With Apple and now MS (in Win8) saying they will not support Adobe (without a fight) are they forcing us to use HTML5 and are we ready?

I would like to see you NotePad nerds build me a tube site in HTML5!

Yeah, I know I am not going to get away with it that easy

Are we ready for a revolution/evolution to be forced upon us now - it is happening faster than you think..

The Elevated adult CMS has had HTML5 support for more than a year now. I spoke on a HTML5 panel at last year's XBiz Summer Forum in Las Vegasand and unveiled an iPad playing embedded video via Safari using HTML5. This really isn't something new, the adult industry is just extremely slow to respond to change.

Our out-of-the-box CMS software product offers site owners the option to give their members common formats like WMV, MOV, MPG, FLV as well as MP4 and 3GP for mobile phones and H.264 for the iPad or HTML5 browsers wanting to play the inline video. And the CMS converts/encodes the video into these formats automatically.

We also have built-in detection that will automatically play the HTML5 video by default for those viewing your site on a HTML5 browser.

AJ

[CyberHustler]

As the world turns...

[miguelf]

Phones and mobile device are another problem. They don't currently support HTML5 but some do support Flash. I will tend to stick with Flash and not HTML5. There is no way MS will be able to get away with not supporting Flash since a huge percentage of sites currently use Flash.

[Bird]

I can do this..

[grumpy]

Been there, done that.
Stick to HTML 5 for apps.

[AJHall]

Phones and mobile device are another problem. They don't currently support HTML5 but some do support Flash. I will tend to stick with Flash and not HTML5. There is no way MS will be able to get away with not supporting Flash since a huge percentage of sites currently use Flash.

They don't have to support it and once Flash is obsolete no one will miss it. It's proprietary, player dependent, has too many limitations and not enough benefits.

More people are starting to to switch to more universal formats like H.264 MP4 that will play on a PC, MAC, iPad via HTML5, iPod as well as mobile phones and devices.

This format plays in a Flash player so chances are good that on a lot of sites what you think is Flash video is really not a flash file at all - it's just using the player.

[EukerVoorn]

The video issue has nothing to do with html5 but with the different companies all trying to do their own thing as opposed to coming up with a true standard. If you are using flash with H.264 (mp4), then you can do html5 right now with a flash fallback and you'll be just as compatible as you are now.

Yes that's what I meant, thank you. This is what I plan to do. For me mp4 is the standard now and the winner of the battle between new protocals is going to be the new standard and I'll wait and see what that's going to be. Till then I'll be using mp4, with html5 and flash fallback.

[Horny Dude]

I hate Flash, Chrome or IE crashes at least 3 times a week because of it. I'm all for HTML5

Was never a big fan of Flash. I get all kinds of crash notices on Chrome as well.

[Webmazter]

Imo it's a good idea to go toward HTML5 and open sauce. But if you want to stay in the dark ages it's your choice. :D

[nation-x]

open sauce

Is that "Open Source" with a Brooklyn accent?