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  • Grapesoda
    So Fucking Banned
    • Jul 2003
    • 46238

    #1

    global warming

    as I have suspected for some time.....

    Nobel Prize-Winning Physicist Resigns Over Global Warming

    The global warming theory left him out in the cold.

    Dr. Ivar Giaever, a former professor with Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and the 1973 winner of the Nobel Prize in physics, abruptly announced his resignation Tuesday, Sept. 13, from the premier physics society in disgust over its officially stated policy that "global warming is occurring."

    The official position of the American Physical Society (APS) supports the theory that man's actions have inexorably led to the warming of the planet, through increased emissions of carbon dioxide.

    Giaever does not agree -- and put it bluntly and succinctly in the subject line of his email, reprinted at Climate Depot, a website devoted to debunking the theory of man-made climate change.

    "I resign from APS," Giaever wrote.

    Giaever was cooled to the statement on warming theory by a line claiming that "the evidence is inconvertible."

    "In the APS it is ok to discuss whether the mass of the proton changes over time and how a multi-universe behaves, but the evidence of global warming is incontrovertible?" he wrote in an email to Kate Kirby, executive officer of the physics society.

    "The claim … is that the temperature has changed from ~288.0 to ~288.8 degree Kelvin in about 150 years, which (if true) means to me is that the temperature has been amazingly stable, and both human health and happiness have definitely improved in this 'warming' period," his email message said.

    A spokesman for the APS confirmed to FoxNews.com that the Nobel Laureate had declined to pay his annual dues in the society and had resigned. He also noted that the society had no plans to revise its statement.

    The use of the word "incontrovertible" had already caused debate within the group, so much so that an addendum was added to the statement discussing its use in April, 2010.

    "The word 'incontrovertible' ... is rarely used in science because by its very nature, science questions prevailing ideas. The observational data indicate a global surface warming of 0.74 °C (+/- 0.18 °C) since the late 19th century."

    Giaever earned his Nobel for his experimental discoveries regarding tunneling phenomena in superconductors. He has since become a vocal dissenter from the alleged “consensus” regarding man-made climate fears, Climate Depot reported, noting that he was one of more than 100 co-signer of a 2009 letter to President Obama critical of his position on climate change.

    Public perception of climate change has steadily fallen since late 2009. A Rasmussen Reports public opinion poll from August noted that 57 percent of adults believe there is significant disagreement within the scientific community on global warming, up five points from late 2009.

    The same study showed that 69 percent of those polled believe it’s at least somewhat likely that some scientists have falsified research data in order to support their own theories and beliefs. Just just 6 percent felt confident enough to report that such falsification was "not at all likely."


    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/...#ixzz1Y1TezU6s
  • Waiter
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Dec 2006
    • 15986

    #2
    very interesting ...
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    • wehateporn
      Promoting Debate on GFY
      • Apr 2007
      • 27176

      #3
      That's an interesting development, it's a scam to get the taxes in place for the World Government

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      • Grapesoda
        So Fucking Banned
        • Jul 2003
        • 46238

        #4
        Originally posted by wehateporn
        That's an interesting development, it's a scam to get the taxes in place for the World Government

        that's been out there for a few years... not so sure about world gov, but defiantly to line the pocketts of a few like AL Gore. I heard global warming called the 'new communisium'
        Last edited by Grapesoda; 09-15-2011, 04:30 AM.

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        • wehateporn
          Promoting Debate on GFY
          • Apr 2007
          • 27176

          #5
          Originally posted by bm bradley
          that's been out there for a few years... not so sure about world gov, but defiantly to line the pocketts of a few like AL Gore. I heard global warming called the 'new communisium'
          Al Gore is working for the Banking families and he's being paid a King's Ransom for it.

          If we connect the dots and see the Rothschild family promoting the agenda (see video below) and the Rockefeller controlled United Nations pushing for it, we need to ask how likely it is that these globalists have had a change of heart and decided to do something nice for once or if they are once again obsessed with power and control. If we look back to the Club of Rome (UN Thinktank) documents they discuss techniques for encouraging the Nations to Unite (i.e. Global Taxes for a Global Government), they say that an outside enemy is needed who is an enemy to every nation, they proposed the following:-

          "In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill ... All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy, then, is humanity itself."

          — in The First Global Revolution, pp.104-105 by Alexander King, founder of the Club of Rome and Bertrand Schneider, secretary of the Club of Rome

          Here's David de Rothschild trying to pretend that he now cares about the planet

          Last edited by wehateporn; 09-15-2011, 04:45 AM.

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          • Emil
            Confirmed User
            • Feb 2007
            • 5658

            #6
            It can not have anything to do with the suns increased activity because the sun doesn't affect earth in any way as far as I know.
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            • Bill8
              Confirmed User
              • Oct 2001
              • 1901

              #7
              One scientist gets butt hurt and quits a post in a physics society, and you think this proves what exactly? You anti-science types are often unintentionally hilarious.

              You do know that science and academia is a hotbed of competition and hurt feelings, right?

              And you do realize hurt feelings don't prove or disprove any theory?

              Tell you what - I'll watch this issue, and bring you the followup analysis. For all I know, this fellow, of whom I have never heard, has some theory which is in contention, and I will be pleasantly surprized to discover that this is not about being butt hurt, and actually contains some substance.

              But the article implies not - he's a physicist squabbling with other physicists, and has no background in climatology, and is just pissed that his fellow physicists think differently than he does.

              So he's butt hurt - boo hoo. His being butt hurt does not change the measurements.

              The stuff at the end of the article, polls of non-scientust, is just typical fox noise crap right out of the mouths of oil company lobbyists and advertisers, and is meaningless.

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              • wehateporn
                Promoting Debate on GFY
                • Apr 2007
                • 27176

                #8

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                • wehateporn
                  Promoting Debate on GFY
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 27176

                  #9
                  Even Homer Simpson knows

                  Last edited by wehateporn; 09-15-2011, 05:20 AM.

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                  • sperbonzo
                    I'd rather be on my boat.
                    • May 2003
                    • 9750

                    #10
                    No one may question the great god of man-made global warming! This is a sacred concept and all unbelievers must be cast out!



                    So mote it be!!!!





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                    • sperbonzo
                      I'd rather be on my boat.
                      • May 2003
                      • 9750

                      #11
                      In October 2010, the APS suffered more scientific woes when another one of its prominent physicists resigned. The late Physicist Hal Lewis, who died in May of 2011, excoriated the APS leadership for its strict dogmatic like adherence to man-made global warming beliefs. See: Prominent Physicist Resigns: 'Climategate was a fraud on a scale I have never seen...Effect on APS position: None. None at all. This is not science' & See: Prominent Physicist Resigns From American Physical Society: 'Global warming is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life' -- APS President Curtis Callan 'seems to have abandoned most ethical principles...APS has become a corrupt organization' & see: APS responds to resignation of Dr. Hal Lewis -- AND Dr. Lewis Responds Back To APS!
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                      • sperbonzo
                        I'd rather be on my boat.
                        • May 2003
                        • 9750

                        #12
                        Alarm regarding climate change is grossly overstated
                        100 plus scientists rebuke Obama as ‘simply incorrect’ on global warming


                        [ Note: Many of the scientists are current and former UN IPCC reviewers and some have reversed their views on man-made warming and are now skeptical. Also note Nobel Laureate for Physics Dr. Ivar Giaever signed. Giaever endorsed Obama for President in an October 29, 2008 letter. See: Portfolio.com]

                        Cato.org

                        “Few challenges facing America and the world are more urgent than combating climate change.The science is beyond dispute and the facts are clear.”

                        — PRESIDENT-ELECT BARACK OBAMA, NOVEMBER 19 , 2008
                        With all due respect Mr. President, that is not true.

                        We, the undersigned scientists, maintain that the case for alarm regarding climate change is grossly overstated. Surface temperature changes over the past century have been episodic and modest and there has been no net global warming for over a decade now.1,2 After controlling for population growth and property values, there has been no increase in damages from severe weather-related events.3 The computer models forecasting rapid temperature change abjectly fail to explain recent climate behavior.4 Mr. President, your characterization of the scientific facts regarding climate change and the degree of certainty informing the scientific debate is simply incorrect.


                        Yun Akusofu, Ph.D University Of Alaska
                        Arthur G. Anderson, Ph.D, Director Of Research, IBM (retired)
                        Charles R. Anderson, Ph.D Anderson Materials Evaluation
                        J. Scott Armstrong, Ph.D, University Of Pennsylvania
                        Robert Ashworth, Clearstack LLC
                        Ismail Baht, Ph.D, University Of Kashmir
                        Colin Barton Csiro (retired)
                        David J. Bellamy, OBE, The British Natural Association
                        John Blaylock, Los Alamos National Laboratory (retired)
                        Edward F. Blick, Ph.D, University Of Oklahoma (emeritus)
                        Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen, Ph.D, University Of Hull
                        Bob Breck Ams, Broadcaster Of The Year 2008
                        John Brignell, University Of Southampton (emeritus)
                        Mark Campbell, Ph.D, U.S. Naval Academy
                        Robert M. Carter, Ph.D, James Cook University
                        Ian Clark, Ph.D, Professor, Earth Sciences University Of Ottawa, Ottawa, Canada
                        Roger Cohen, Ph.D Fellow, American Physical Society
                        Paul Copper, Ph.D, Laurentian University (emeritus)
                        Piers Corbyn, MS, Weather Action
                        Richard S. Courtney, Ph.D, Reviewer, Intergovernmental Panel On Climate Change
                        Uberto Crescenti, Ph.D Past-President, Italian Geological Society
                        Susan Crockford, Ph.D University Of Victoria
                        Joseph S. D’aleo, Fellow, American Meteorological Society
                        James Demeo, Ph.D, University Of Kansas (retired)
                        David Deming, Ph.D, University Of Oklahoma
                        Diane Douglas, Ph.D, Paleoclimatologist
                        David Douglass, Ph.D, University Of Rochester
                        Robert H. Essenhigh, E.G. Bailey Emeritus, Professor Of Energy Conversion The Ohio State University
                        Christopher Essex, Ph.D, University Of Western Ontario
                        John Ferguson, Ph.D, University Of Newcastle
                        Upon Tyne (retired)
                        Eduardo Ferreyra, Argentinian Foundation For A Scientific Ecology
                        Michael Fox, Ph.D, American Nuclear Society
                        Gordon Fulks, Ph.D, Gordon Fulks And Associates
                        Lee Gerhard, Ph.D, State Geologist, Kansas (retired)
                        Gerhard Gerlich, Ph.D, Technische Universitat Braunschweig
                        Ivar Giaever, Ph.D, Nobel Laureate, Physics
                        Albrecht Glatzle, Ph.D, Scientific Director, Inttas (Paraguay)
                        Wayne Goodfellow, Ph.D, University Of Ottawa
                        James Goodridge, California State Climatologist (retired)
                        Laurence Gould, Ph.D, University Of Hartford
                        Vincent Gray, Ph.D, New Zealand Climate Coalition
                        William M. Gray, Ph.D, Colorado State University
                        Kenneth E. Green, D.Env., American Enterprise Institute
                        Kesten Green, Ph.D, Monash University
                        Will Happer, Ph.D, Princeton University
                        Howard C. Hayden, Ph.D, University Of Connecticut (emeritus)
                        Ben Herman, Ph.D, University Of Arizona (emeritus)
                        Martin Hertzberg, Ph.D, U.S. Navy (retired)
                        Doug Hoffman, Ph.D, Author, The Resilient Earth
                        Bernd Huettner, Ph.D
                        Ole Humlum, Ph.D, University Of Oslo
                        A. Neil Hutton, Past President, Canadian Society Of Petroleum Geologists
                        Craig D. Idso, Ph.D, Center For The Study Of Carbon Dioxide And Global Change
                        Sherwood B. Idso, Ph.D, U.S. Department Of Agriculture (retired)
                        Kiminori Itoh, Ph.D, Yokohama National University
                        Steve Japar, Ph.D, Reviewer, Intergovernmental Panel On Climate Change
                        Sten Kaijser, Ph.D, Uppsala University (emeritus)
                        Wibjorn Karlen, Ph.D, University Of Stockholm (emeritus)
                        Joel Kauffman, Ph.D, University Of The Sciences, Philadelphia (emeritus)
                        David Kear, Ph.D, Former Director-General, Nz Dept. Scientific And Industrial Research
                        Richard Keen, Ph.D, University Of Colorado
                        Dr. Kelvin Kemm, Ph.D, Lifetime Achievers Award, National Science And Technology Forum, South Africa
                        Madhav Khandekar, Ph.D, Former Editor, Climate Research
                        Robert S. Knox, Ph.D, University Of Rochester (emeritus)
                        James P. Koermer, Ph.D, Plymouth State University
                        Gerhard Kramm, Ph.D, University Of Alaska Fairbanks
                        Wayne Kraus, Ph.D, Kraus Consulting
                        Olav M. Kvalheim, Ph.D, Univ. Of Bergen
                        Roar Larson, Ph.D, Norwegian University Of Science And Technology
                        James F. Lea, Ph.D
                        Douglas Leahy, Ph.D, Meteorologist
                        Peter R. Leavitt, Certified Consulting Meteorologist
                        David R. Legates, Ph.D, University of Delaware
                        Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D, Massachusetts Institute Of Technology
                        Harry F. Lins, Ph.D. Co-Chair, IPCC Hydrology and Water Resources Working Group
                        Anthony R. Lupo, Ph.D, University Of Missouri
                        Howard Maccabee, Ph.D, MD Clinical Faculty, Stanford Medical School
                        Horst Malberg, Ph.D, Free University of Berlin
                        Bjorn Malmgren, Ph.D, Goteburg University (emeritus)
                        Jennifer Marohasy, Ph.D, Australian Environment Foundation
                        James A Marusek, U.S. Navy (retired)
                        Ross Mckitrick, Ph.D, University Of Guelph
                        Patrick J. Michaels, Ph.D, University Of Virginia
                        Timmothy R. Minnich, MS, Minnich And Scotto, Inc.
                        Asmunn Moene, Ph.D, Former Head, Forecasting Center, Meteorological Institute, Norway
                        Michael Monce, Ph.D, Connecticut College
                        Dick Morgan, Ph.D, Exeter University (emeritus)
                        Nils-axel Morner, Ph.D, Stockholm University (emeritus)
                        David Nowell, D.I.C., Former Chairman, Nato Meteorology Canada
                        Cliff Ollier, D.Sc., University Of Western Australia
                        Garth W. Paltridge, Ph.D, University Of Tasmania
                        Alfred Peckarek, Ph.D, St. Cloud State University
                        Dr. Robert A. Perkins, P.E. University Of Alaska
                        Ian Pilmer, Ph.D, University Of Melbourne (emeritus)
                        Brian R. Pratt, Ph.D, University Of Saskatchewan
                        John Reinhard, Ph.D, Ore Pharmaceuticals
                        Peter Ridd, Ph.D, James Cook University
                        Curt Rose, Ph.D, Bishop’s University (emeritus)
                        Peter Salonius, M.Sc., Canadian Forest Service
                        Gary Sharp, Ph.D, Center For Climate/Ocean Resources Study
                        Thomas P. Sheahan, Ph.D, Western Technologies, Inc.
                        Alan Simmons, Author, The Resilient Earth
                        Roy N. Spencer, Ph.D, University Of Alabama-Huntsville
                        Arlin Super, Ph.D, Retired Research Meteorologist, U.S. Dept. Of Reclamation
                        George H. Taylor,MS, Applied Climate Services
                        Eduardo P. Tonni, Ph.D, Museo De La Plata (Argentina)
                        Ralf D. Tscheuschner, Ph.D
                        Dr. Anton Uriarte,Ph.D, Universidad Del Pais Vasco
                        Brian Valentine, Ph.D, U.S. Department Of Energy
                        Gosta Walin, Ph.D, University Of Gothenburg (emeritus)
                        Gerd-Rainer Weber,Ph.D, Reviewer, Intergovernmenal Panel On Climate Change
                        Forese-Carlo Wezel, Ph.D, Urbino University
                        Edward T. Wimberley, Ph.D, Florida Gulf Coast University
                        Miklos Zagoni,Ph.D Reviewer, Intergovernmental Panel On Climate Change
                        Antonio Zichichi,Ph.D President, World Federation Of Scientists
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                        • Grapesoda
                          So Fucking Banned
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 46238

                          #13
                          Originally posted by sperbonzo
                          Alarm regarding climate change is grossly overstated
                          100 plus scientists rebuke Obama as ‘simply incorrect’ on global warming


                          [ Note: Many of the scientists are current and former UN IPCC reviewers and some have reversed their views on man-made warming and are now skeptical. Also note Nobel Laureate for Physics Dr. Ivar Giaever signed. Giaever endorsed Obama for President in an October 29, 2008 letter. See: Portfolio.com]

                          Cato.org

                          “Few challenges facing America and the world are more urgent than combating climate change.The science is beyond dispute and the facts are clear.”

                          — PRESIDENT-ELECT BARACK OBAMA, NOVEMBER 19 , 2008
                          With all due respect Mr. President, that is not true.

                          We, the undersigned scientists, maintain that the case for alarm regarding climate change is grossly overstated. Surface temperature changes over the past century have been episodic and modest and there has been no net global warming for over a decade now.1,2 After controlling for population growth and property values, there has been no increase in damages from severe weather-related events.3 The computer models forecasting rapid temperature change abjectly fail to explain recent climate behavior.4 Mr. President, your characterization of the scientific facts regarding climate change and the degree of certainty informing the scientific debate is simply incorrect.


                          Yun Akusofu, Ph.D University Of Alaska
                          Arthur G. Anderson, Ph.D, Director Of Research, IBM (retired)
                          Charles R. Anderson, Ph.D Anderson Materials Evaluation
                          J. Scott Armstrong, Ph.D, University Of Pennsylvania
                          Robert Ashworth, Clearstack LLC
                          Ismail Baht, Ph.D, University Of Kashmir
                          Colin Barton Csiro (retired)
                          David J. Bellamy, OBE, The British Natural Association
                          John Blaylock, Los Alamos National Laboratory (retired)
                          Edward F. Blick, Ph.D, University Of Oklahoma (emeritus)
                          Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen, Ph.D, University Of Hull
                          Bob Breck Ams, Broadcaster Of The Year 2008
                          John Brignell, University Of Southampton (emeritus)
                          Mark Campbell, Ph.D, U.S. Naval Academy
                          Robert M. Carter, Ph.D, James Cook University
                          Ian Clark, Ph.D, Professor, Earth Sciences University Of Ottawa, Ottawa, Canada
                          Roger Cohen, Ph.D Fellow, American Physical Society
                          Paul Copper, Ph.D, Laurentian University (emeritus)
                          Piers Corbyn, MS, Weather Action
                          Richard S. Courtney, Ph.D, Reviewer, Intergovernmental Panel On Climate Change
                          Uberto Crescenti, Ph.D Past-President, Italian Geological Society
                          Susan Crockford, Ph.D University Of Victoria
                          Joseph S. D’aleo, Fellow, American Meteorological Society
                          James Demeo, Ph.D, University Of Kansas (retired)
                          David Deming, Ph.D, University Of Oklahoma
                          Diane Douglas, Ph.D, Paleoclimatologist
                          David Douglass, Ph.D, University Of Rochester
                          Robert H. Essenhigh, E.G. Bailey Emeritus, Professor Of Energy Conversion The Ohio State University
                          Christopher Essex, Ph.D, University Of Western Ontario
                          John Ferguson, Ph.D, University Of Newcastle
                          Upon Tyne (retired)
                          Eduardo Ferreyra, Argentinian Foundation For A Scientific Ecology
                          Michael Fox, Ph.D, American Nuclear Society
                          Gordon Fulks, Ph.D, Gordon Fulks And Associates
                          Lee Gerhard, Ph.D, State Geologist, Kansas (retired)
                          Gerhard Gerlich, Ph.D, Technische Universitat Braunschweig
                          Ivar Giaever, Ph.D, Nobel Laureate, Physics
                          Albrecht Glatzle, Ph.D, Scientific Director, Inttas (Paraguay)
                          Wayne Goodfellow, Ph.D, University Of Ottawa
                          James Goodridge, California State Climatologist (retired)
                          Laurence Gould, Ph.D, University Of Hartford
                          Vincent Gray, Ph.D, New Zealand Climate Coalition
                          William M. Gray, Ph.D, Colorado State University
                          Kenneth E. Green, D.Env., American Enterprise Institute
                          Kesten Green, Ph.D, Monash University
                          Will Happer, Ph.D, Princeton University
                          Howard C. Hayden, Ph.D, University Of Connecticut (emeritus)
                          Ben Herman, Ph.D, University Of Arizona (emeritus)
                          Martin Hertzberg, Ph.D, U.S. Navy (retired)
                          Doug Hoffman, Ph.D, Author, The Resilient Earth
                          Bernd Huettner, Ph.D
                          Ole Humlum, Ph.D, University Of Oslo
                          A. Neil Hutton, Past President, Canadian Society Of Petroleum Geologists
                          Craig D. Idso, Ph.D, Center For The Study Of Carbon Dioxide And Global Change
                          Sherwood B. Idso, Ph.D, U.S. Department Of Agriculture (retired)
                          Kiminori Itoh, Ph.D, Yokohama National University
                          Steve Japar, Ph.D, Reviewer, Intergovernmental Panel On Climate Change
                          Sten Kaijser, Ph.D, Uppsala University (emeritus)
                          Wibjorn Karlen, Ph.D, University Of Stockholm (emeritus)
                          Joel Kauffman, Ph.D, University Of The Sciences, Philadelphia (emeritus)
                          David Kear, Ph.D, Former Director-General, Nz Dept. Scientific And Industrial Research
                          Richard Keen, Ph.D, University Of Colorado
                          Dr. Kelvin Kemm, Ph.D, Lifetime Achievers Award, National Science And Technology Forum, South Africa
                          Madhav Khandekar, Ph.D, Former Editor, Climate Research
                          Robert S. Knox, Ph.D, University Of Rochester (emeritus)
                          James P. Koermer, Ph.D, Plymouth State University
                          Gerhard Kramm, Ph.D, University Of Alaska Fairbanks
                          Wayne Kraus, Ph.D, Kraus Consulting
                          Olav M. Kvalheim, Ph.D, Univ. Of Bergen
                          Roar Larson, Ph.D, Norwegian University Of Science And Technology
                          James F. Lea, Ph.D
                          Douglas Leahy, Ph.D, Meteorologist
                          Peter R. Leavitt, Certified Consulting Meteorologist
                          David R. Legates, Ph.D, University of Delaware
                          Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D, Massachusetts Institute Of Technology
                          Harry F. Lins, Ph.D. Co-Chair, IPCC Hydrology and Water Resources Working Group
                          Anthony R. Lupo, Ph.D, University Of Missouri
                          Howard Maccabee, Ph.D, MD Clinical Faculty, Stanford Medical School
                          Horst Malberg, Ph.D, Free University of Berlin
                          Bjorn Malmgren, Ph.D, Goteburg University (emeritus)
                          Jennifer Marohasy, Ph.D, Australian Environment Foundation
                          James A Marusek, U.S. Navy (retired)
                          Ross Mckitrick, Ph.D, University Of Guelph
                          Patrick J. Michaels, Ph.D, University Of Virginia
                          Timmothy R. Minnich, MS, Minnich And Scotto, Inc.
                          Asmunn Moene, Ph.D, Former Head, Forecasting Center, Meteorological Institute, Norway
                          Michael Monce, Ph.D, Connecticut College
                          Dick Morgan, Ph.D, Exeter University (emeritus)
                          Nils-axel Morner, Ph.D, Stockholm University (emeritus)
                          David Nowell, D.I.C., Former Chairman, Nato Meteorology Canada
                          Cliff Ollier, D.Sc., University Of Western Australia
                          Garth W. Paltridge, Ph.D, University Of Tasmania
                          Alfred Peckarek, Ph.D, St. Cloud State University
                          Dr. Robert A. Perkins, P.E. University Of Alaska
                          Ian Pilmer, Ph.D, University Of Melbourne (emeritus)
                          Brian R. Pratt, Ph.D, University Of Saskatchewan
                          John Reinhard, Ph.D, Ore Pharmaceuticals
                          Peter Ridd, Ph.D, James Cook University
                          Curt Rose, Ph.D, Bishop’s University (emeritus)
                          Peter Salonius, M.Sc., Canadian Forest Service
                          Gary Sharp, Ph.D, Center For Climate/Ocean Resources Study
                          Thomas P. Sheahan, Ph.D, Western Technologies, Inc.
                          Alan Simmons, Author, The Resilient Earth
                          Roy N. Spencer, Ph.D, University Of Alabama-Huntsville
                          Arlin Super, Ph.D, Retired Research Meteorologist, U.S. Dept. Of Reclamation
                          George H. Taylor,MS, Applied Climate Services
                          Eduardo P. Tonni, Ph.D, Museo De La Plata (Argentina)
                          Ralf D. Tscheuschner, Ph.D
                          Dr. Anton Uriarte,Ph.D, Universidad Del Pais Vasco
                          Brian Valentine, Ph.D, U.S. Department Of Energy
                          Gosta Walin, Ph.D, University Of Gothenburg (emeritus)
                          Gerd-Rainer Weber,Ph.D, Reviewer, Intergovernmenal Panel On Climate Change
                          Forese-Carlo Wezel, Ph.D, Urbino University
                          Edward T. Wimberley, Ph.D, Florida Gulf Coast University
                          Miklos Zagoni,Ph.D Reviewer, Intergovernmental Panel On Climate Change
                          Antonio Zichichi,Ph.D President, World Federation Of Scientists
                          not believing in global warming is like racism for the new genenration... a real hot button with no basis in fact

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                          • JamesGw
                            Confirmed User
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 1237

                            #14
                            Global warming is pretty lol if you ask me.
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                            • MetaMan
                              I AM WEB 2.0
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 28682

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Bill8
                              One scientist gets butt hurt and quits a post in a physics society, and you think this proves what exactly? You anti-science types are often unintentionally hilarious.

                              You do know that science and academia is a hotbed of competition and hurt feelings, right?

                              And you do realize hurt feelings don't prove or disprove any theory?

                              Tell you what - I'll watch this issue, and bring you the followup analysis. For all I know, this fellow, of whom I have never heard, has some theory which is in contention, and I will be pleasantly surprized to discover that this is not about being butt hurt, and actually contains some substance.

                              But the article implies not - he's a physicist squabbling with other physicists, and has no background in climatology, and is just pissed that his fellow physicists think differently than he does.

                              So he's butt hurt - boo hoo. His being butt hurt does not change the measurements.

                              The stuff at the end of the article, polls of non-scientust, is just typical fox noise crap right out of the mouths of oil company lobbyists and advertisers, and is meaningless.
                              You're an idiot just shut up.

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                              • wehateporn
                                Promoting Debate on GFY
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 27176

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Bill8
                                One scientist gets butt hurt and quits a post in a physics society, and you think this proves what exactly? You anti-science types are often unintentionally hilarious.

                                You do know that science and academia is a hotbed of competition and hurt feelings, right?

                                And you do realize hurt feelings don't prove or disprove any theory?

                                Tell you what - I'll watch this issue, and bring you the followup analysis. For all I know, this fellow, of whom I have never heard, has some theory which is in contention, and I will be pleasantly surprized to discover that this is not about being butt hurt, and actually contains some substance.

                                But the article implies not - he's a physicist squabbling with other physicists, and has no background in climatology, and is just pissed that his fellow physicists think differently than he does.

                                So he's butt hurt - boo hoo. His being butt hurt does not change the measurements.

                                The stuff at the end of the article, polls of non-scientust, is just typical fox noise crap right out of the mouths of oil company lobbyists and advertisers, and is meaningless.
                                If this were just a one-off then sure, it might be the case. However, when brought into context with the wider agenda that we see being played out around us; the bankers throwing money at anything and everything to convince us firstly that manmade Climate Change exists and secondly that we will need to pay taxes to help prevent it, when taken into this context we have to assume it's all part of the same scam unless anyone can prove otherwise. Science has been abused for many years, but their are scientists who stand up against it; they have morals and feel compelled into doing the right thing.

                                Here's another example of someone who resigned due to a different scam, this is Robin Cook's (RIP) resignation speech after Tony Blair forced the UK into war with Iraq. Robin Cook was covertly assassinated 2 years later.

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                                • Scott McD
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Nov 2002
                                  • 67798

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by JamesGw
                                  Global warming is pretty lol if you ask me.


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                                  • GatorB
                                    The Demon & 12clicks
                                    • Oct 2001
                                    • 18208

                                    #18

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                                    • Grapesoda
                                      So Fucking Banned
                                      • Jul 2003
                                      • 46238

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Scott McD
                                      FWI Polar Bears are AQUATIC mammals, like seals

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                                      • PR_Chi
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                                        #20
                                        thanks for article, interesting read.
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                                        • Tom_PM
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                                          • Feb 2005
                                          • 16443

                                          #21
                                          He's allowed to resign. His personal crisis = averted.
                                          43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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                                          • Rochard
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                                            • Dec 2001
                                            • 75733

                                            #22
                                            I think global warming exists, and it's possible that some of the problem is partially man made. At the same time I think we have become used to our climate and weather patterns for the past 200 years, but the truth is that this is all changing. It's going to get brutal - summers will be hotter, winters colder, and storms will attack us.

                                            I see us living underground in our lifetime.
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                                            • Grapesoda
                                              So Fucking Banned
                                              • Jul 2003
                                              • 46238

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Rochard
                                              I think global warming exists, and it's possible that some of the problem is partially man made. At the same time I think we have become used to our climate and weather patterns for the past 200 years, but the truth is that this is all changing. It's going to get brutal - summers will be hotter, winters colder, and storms will attack us.

                                              I see us living underground in our lifetime.
                                              life is change, adapt or die

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                                              • _Richard_
                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                • Oct 2006
                                                • 30991

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by sperbonzo
                                                Alarm regarding climate change is grossly overstated
                                                100 plus scientists rebuke Obama as ‘simply incorrect’ on global warming


                                                [ Note: Many of the scientists are current and former UN IPCC reviewers and some have reversed their views on man-made warming and are now skeptical. Also note Nobel Laureate for Physics Dr. Ivar Giaever signed. Giaever endorsed Obama for President in an October 29, 2008 letter. See: Portfolio.com]

                                                Cato.org

                                                “Few challenges facing America and the world are more urgent than combating climate change.The science is beyond dispute and the facts are clear.”

                                                — PRESIDENT-ELECT BARACK OBAMA, NOVEMBER 19 , 2008
                                                With all due respect Mr. President, that is not true.

                                                We, the undersigned scientists, maintain that the case for alarm regarding climate change is grossly overstated. Surface temperature changes over the past century have been episodic and modest and there has been no net global warming for over a decade now.1,2 After controlling for population growth and property values, there has been no increase in damages from severe weather-related events.3 The computer models forecasting rapid temperature change abjectly fail to explain recent climate behavior.4 Mr. President, your characterization of the scientific facts regarding climate change and the degree of certainty informing the scientific debate is simply incorrect.


                                                Yun Akusofu, Ph.D University Of Alaska
                                                Arthur G. Anderson, Ph.D, Director Of Research, IBM (retired)
                                                Charles R. Anderson, Ph.D Anderson Materials Evaluation
                                                J. Scott Armstrong, Ph.D, University Of Pennsylvania
                                                Robert Ashworth, Clearstack LLC
                                                Ismail Baht, Ph.D, University Of Kashmir
                                                Colin Barton Csiro (retired)
                                                David J. Bellamy, OBE, The British Natural Association
                                                John Blaylock, Los Alamos National Laboratory (retired)
                                                Edward F. Blick, Ph.D, University Of Oklahoma (emeritus)
                                                Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen, Ph.D, University Of Hull
                                                Bob Breck Ams, Broadcaster Of The Year 2008
                                                John Brignell, University Of Southampton (emeritus)
                                                Mark Campbell, Ph.D, U.S. Naval Academy
                                                Robert M. Carter, Ph.D, James Cook University
                                                Ian Clark, Ph.D, Professor, Earth Sciences University Of Ottawa, Ottawa, Canada
                                                Roger Cohen, Ph.D Fellow, American Physical Society
                                                Paul Copper, Ph.D, Laurentian University (emeritus)
                                                Piers Corbyn, MS, Weather Action
                                                Richard S. Courtney, Ph.D, Reviewer, Intergovernmental Panel On Climate Change
                                                Uberto Crescenti, Ph.D Past-President, Italian Geological Society
                                                Susan Crockford, Ph.D University Of Victoria
                                                Joseph S. D’aleo, Fellow, American Meteorological Society
                                                James Demeo, Ph.D, University Of Kansas (retired)
                                                David Deming, Ph.D, University Of Oklahoma
                                                Diane Douglas, Ph.D, Paleoclimatologist
                                                David Douglass, Ph.D, University Of Rochester
                                                Robert H. Essenhigh, E.G. Bailey Emeritus, Professor Of Energy Conversion The Ohio State University
                                                Christopher Essex, Ph.D, University Of Western Ontario
                                                John Ferguson, Ph.D, University Of Newcastle
                                                Upon Tyne (retired)
                                                Eduardo Ferreyra, Argentinian Foundation For A Scientific Ecology
                                                Michael Fox, Ph.D, American Nuclear Society
                                                Gordon Fulks, Ph.D, Gordon Fulks And Associates
                                                Lee Gerhard, Ph.D, State Geologist, Kansas (retired)
                                                Gerhard Gerlich, Ph.D, Technische Universitat Braunschweig
                                                Ivar Giaever, Ph.D, Nobel Laureate, Physics
                                                Albrecht Glatzle, Ph.D, Scientific Director, Inttas (Paraguay)
                                                Wayne Goodfellow, Ph.D, University Of Ottawa
                                                James Goodridge, California State Climatologist (retired)
                                                Laurence Gould, Ph.D, University Of Hartford
                                                Vincent Gray, Ph.D, New Zealand Climate Coalition
                                                William M. Gray, Ph.D, Colorado State University
                                                Kenneth E. Green, D.Env., American Enterprise Institute
                                                Kesten Green, Ph.D, Monash University
                                                Will Happer, Ph.D, Princeton University
                                                Howard C. Hayden, Ph.D, University Of Connecticut (emeritus)
                                                Ben Herman, Ph.D, University Of Arizona (emeritus)
                                                Martin Hertzberg, Ph.D, U.S. Navy (retired)
                                                Doug Hoffman, Ph.D, Author, The Resilient Earth
                                                Bernd Huettner, Ph.D
                                                Ole Humlum, Ph.D, University Of Oslo
                                                A. Neil Hutton, Past President, Canadian Society Of Petroleum Geologists
                                                Craig D. Idso, Ph.D, Center For The Study Of Carbon Dioxide And Global Change
                                                Sherwood B. Idso, Ph.D, U.S. Department Of Agriculture (retired)
                                                Kiminori Itoh, Ph.D, Yokohama National University
                                                Steve Japar, Ph.D, Reviewer, Intergovernmental Panel On Climate Change
                                                Sten Kaijser, Ph.D, Uppsala University (emeritus)
                                                Wibjorn Karlen, Ph.D, University Of Stockholm (emeritus)
                                                Joel Kauffman, Ph.D, University Of The Sciences, Philadelphia (emeritus)
                                                David Kear, Ph.D, Former Director-General, Nz Dept. Scientific And Industrial Research
                                                Richard Keen, Ph.D, University Of Colorado
                                                Dr. Kelvin Kemm, Ph.D, Lifetime Achievers Award, National Science And Technology Forum, South Africa
                                                Madhav Khandekar, Ph.D, Former Editor, Climate Research
                                                Robert S. Knox, Ph.D, University Of Rochester (emeritus)
                                                James P. Koermer, Ph.D, Plymouth State University
                                                Gerhard Kramm, Ph.D, University Of Alaska Fairbanks
                                                Wayne Kraus, Ph.D, Kraus Consulting
                                                Olav M. Kvalheim, Ph.D, Univ. Of Bergen
                                                Roar Larson, Ph.D, Norwegian University Of Science And Technology
                                                James F. Lea, Ph.D
                                                Douglas Leahy, Ph.D, Meteorologist
                                                Peter R. Leavitt, Certified Consulting Meteorologist
                                                David R. Legates, Ph.D, University of Delaware
                                                Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D, Massachusetts Institute Of Technology
                                                Harry F. Lins, Ph.D. Co-Chair, IPCC Hydrology and Water Resources Working Group
                                                Anthony R. Lupo, Ph.D, University Of Missouri
                                                Howard Maccabee, Ph.D, MD Clinical Faculty, Stanford Medical School
                                                Horst Malberg, Ph.D, Free University of Berlin
                                                Bjorn Malmgren, Ph.D, Goteburg University (emeritus)
                                                Jennifer Marohasy, Ph.D, Australian Environment Foundation
                                                James A Marusek, U.S. Navy (retired)
                                                Ross Mckitrick, Ph.D, University Of Guelph
                                                Patrick J. Michaels, Ph.D, University Of Virginia
                                                Timmothy R. Minnich, MS, Minnich And Scotto, Inc.
                                                Asmunn Moene, Ph.D, Former Head, Forecasting Center, Meteorological Institute, Norway
                                                Michael Monce, Ph.D, Connecticut College
                                                Dick Morgan, Ph.D, Exeter University (emeritus)
                                                Nils-axel Morner, Ph.D, Stockholm University (emeritus)
                                                David Nowell, D.I.C., Former Chairman, Nato Meteorology Canada
                                                Cliff Ollier, D.Sc., University Of Western Australia
                                                Garth W. Paltridge, Ph.D, University Of Tasmania
                                                Alfred Peckarek, Ph.D, St. Cloud State University
                                                Dr. Robert A. Perkins, P.E. University Of Alaska
                                                Ian Pilmer, Ph.D, University Of Melbourne (emeritus)
                                                Brian R. Pratt, Ph.D, University Of Saskatchewan
                                                John Reinhard, Ph.D, Ore Pharmaceuticals
                                                Peter Ridd, Ph.D, James Cook University
                                                Curt Rose, Ph.D, Bishop’s University (emeritus)
                                                Peter Salonius, M.Sc., Canadian Forest Service
                                                Gary Sharp, Ph.D, Center For Climate/Ocean Resources Study
                                                Thomas P. Sheahan, Ph.D, Western Technologies, Inc.
                                                Alan Simmons, Author, The Resilient Earth
                                                Roy N. Spencer, Ph.D, University Of Alabama-Huntsville
                                                Arlin Super, Ph.D, Retired Research Meteorologist, U.S. Dept. Of Reclamation
                                                George H. Taylor,MS, Applied Climate Services
                                                Eduardo P. Tonni, Ph.D, Museo De La Plata (Argentina)
                                                Ralf D. Tscheuschner, Ph.D
                                                Dr. Anton Uriarte,Ph.D, Universidad Del Pais Vasco
                                                Brian Valentine, Ph.D, U.S. Department Of Energy
                                                Gosta Walin, Ph.D, University Of Gothenburg (emeritus)
                                                Gerd-Rainer Weber,Ph.D, Reviewer, Intergovernmenal Panel On Climate Change
                                                Forese-Carlo Wezel, Ph.D, Urbino University
                                                Edward T. Wimberley, Ph.D, Florida Gulf Coast University
                                                Miklos Zagoni,Ph.D Reviewer, Intergovernmental Panel On Climate Change
                                                Antonio Zichichi,Ph.D President, World Federation Of Scientists
                                                'simply incorrect' is an accepted scientific argument these days?

                                                tell you what. You are 'simply incorrect'. i can be a scientist too.

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                                                • Shotsie
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Sep 2011
                                                  • 1208

                                                  #25
                                                  Regardless of whether or not global warming is a threat we still have a problem with pollution and carbon emissions. You should know that if you live in Southern California, you fly into LAX it looks like the whole city is on fire there's so much fucking smog surrounding it. There's only one reason politicians try to discourage seeking out sources of alternative energy, and that's . In the future we'll have no choice but to, let's just hope that oil is as fungible a commodity as they say it is.

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                                                  • Bill8
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Oct 2001
                                                    • 1901

                                                    #26
                                                    So far I ahve not had any luck finding the APS's "official policy statement" on global warming - the language of which this particular norwegian scientist objected to - I am interested in seeing the exact language, because in both science and politics, the exact language is important.

                                                    So far the snippets have only (as I recall) said the following - "global warming is incontrovertible' - incontrovertible is strong language, but, the measurements are pretty clear, and if you go by the measurements alone, you do have to use some statement that essentially means "the planet is getting warmer, based on such and such sets of messages".

                                                    My first search at the APS turned up this - a page describing some kind of dispute - http://physicsfrontline.aps.org/tag/global-warming/

                                                    The Council of the American Physical Society has overwhelmingly rejected a proposal to replace the Society?s 2007 Statement on Climate Change with a version that raised doubts about global warming. The Council?s vote came after it received a report from a committee of eminent scientists who reviewed the existing statement in response to a petition submitted by a group of APS members.

                                                    The petition had requested that APS remove and replace the Society?s current statement. The committee recommended that the Council reject the petition. The committee also recommended that the current APS statement be allowed to stand, but it requested that the Society?s Panel on Public Affairs (POPA) examine the statement for possible improvements in clarity and tone. POPA regularly reviews all APS statements to ensure that they are relevant and up-to-date regarding new scientific findings.

                                                    Appointed by APS President Cherry Murray and chaired by MIT Physicist Daniel Kleppner, the committee examined the statement during the past four months. Dr. Kleppner?s committee reached its conclusion based upon a serious review of existing compilations of scientific research. APS members were also given an opportunity to advise the Council on the matter. On Nov. 8, the Council voted, accepting the committee?s recommendation to reject the proposed statement and refer the original statement to POPA for review. As a membership organization of more than 47,000 physicists, APS adheres to rigorous scientific standards in developing its statements. The Society is always open to review of its statements when significant numbers of its members request it to do so.
                                                    So far the science news sources have not started to discuss this subject.

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                                                    • Bill8
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                      • 1901

                                                      #27
                                                      One physicist out of 47,000 leaves an organization because of the phrase "global warming is incontrovertible" - well, it will be interesting to see how many others quit.

                                                      I thought the physicist's letter was revealing - especially his editorial at the end.

                                                      The fact that he felt compelled to add - "besides, even if it is warmer thinsg are still good and lifespans increased as it got warmer" pretty much tells you what his ideological underpinnings happen to be. "Global warming's not so bad, m'kay" - pretty much a callsign of a certain school of media rhetoric against AGW.

                                                      His snippeting of language he objects to is not totally clear - the part that claims anthopogenism may or may not be directly connected to the part about "the evidence is incontrovertible". (note - on finding this letter I have to amend my paraphrasing of the statement as 'global warming is incontrovertible' - apparently the correct version is 'the evidence is incontrovertble'.)

                                                      http://www.dailytech.com/Nobel+Laure...ticle22744.htm

                                                      Thank you for your letter inquiring about my membership. I did not renew it because I can not live with the statement below:




                                                      Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate. Greenhouse gases include carbon dioxide as well as methane, nitrous oxide and other gases. They are emitted from fossil fuel combustion and a range of industrial and agricultural processes.


                                                      The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring.
                                                      If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth's physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now.

                                                      In the APS it is ok to discuss whether the mass of the proton changes over time and how a multi-universe behaves, but the evidence of global warming is incontrovertible? The claim (how can you measure the average temperature of the whole earth for a whole year?) is that the temperature has changed from ~288.0 to ~288.8 degree Kelvin in about 150 years, which (if true) means to me is that the temperature has been amazingly stable, and both human health and happiness have definitely improved in this 'warming' period.



                                                      Best regards,



                                                      Ivar Giaever


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                                                      • Failed
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Mar 2011
                                                        • 2301

                                                        #28
                                                        People who fight over global warming always make me laugh. If it exists, than we still know what we already know, that polluting the environment affects the earth in a negative way. If it doesn't exist we still know what we already know, that polluting the environment affects the earth in a negative way.

                                                        Polluting the environment affects the earth, and the people who live here, in a negative way. There is no debate over that.
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                                                        • sperbonzo
                                                          I'd rather be on my boat.
                                                          • May 2003
                                                          • 9750

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Failed
                                                          People who fight over global warming always make me laugh. If it exists, than we still know what we already know, that polluting the environment affects the earth in a negative way. If it doesn't exist we still know what we already know, that polluting the environment affects the earth in a negative way.

                                                          Polluting the environment affects the earth, and the people who live here, in a negative way. There is no debate over that.
                                                          The reason why there is debate is that the Global Warming Theory is being used as a vehicle for global taxation, global redistribution of wealth, and global government. I don't think anyone has a problem with the idea of polluting less, but it depends how much you want government to take over under the guise of stopping pollution.


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                                                          • wehateporn
                                                            Promoting Debate on GFY
                                                            • Apr 2007
                                                            • 27176

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Failed
                                                            People who fight over global warming always make me laugh. If it exists, than we still know what we already know, that polluting the environment affects the earth in a negative way. If it doesn't exist we still know what we already know, that polluting the environment affects the earth in a negative way.

                                                            Polluting the environment affects the earth, and the people who live here, in a negative way. There is no debate over that.
                                                            If Al Qaeda were piggybacking onto Global Warming saying that they need to tax us and set up a world government, would we accept it? What about the NAZI's, would we let them take control of the world to combat Global Warming?

                                                            You know the answer to both of those questions. The Green movement was hijacked by Communists/Bankers who are now Piggybacking a ride on the Green movement towards complete control of the planet. Every government needs taxes, but the people would never accept taxes for a communist world government, that's why we're being scammed into it with "Global Warming" taxes. The taxes are "To Protect Us"

                                                            Last edited by wehateporn; 09-16-2011, 05:38 AM.

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                                                            • PR_Glen
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Oct 2006
                                                              • 9058

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Rochard
                                                              I think global warming exists, and it's possible that some of the problem is partially man made. At the same time I think we have become used to our climate and weather patterns for the past 200 years, but the truth is that this is all changing. It's going to get brutal - summers will be hotter, winters colder, and storms will attack us.

                                                              I see us living underground in our lifetime.
                                                              really? .8 degrees up in the last 150 years? Do you plan on living to be 3000 years old?

                                                              The planet has gone through extremely long temperature cycles since it's creation, even in the last 250 million years there have been drastic differences both hot and cold. None of these changes happened over night...
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                                                              • Tom_PM
                                                                Porn Meister
                                                                • Feb 2005
                                                                • 16443

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by sperbonzo
                                                                The reason why there is debate is that the Global Warming Theory is being used as a vehicle for global taxation, global redistribution of wealth, and global government. I don't think anyone has a problem with the idea of polluting less, but it depends how much you want government to take over under the guise of stopping pollution.


                                                                .
                                                                It's as if you believe that the most important point on global warming is that it's a left wing socialist plot to impose regulations and grab money.
                                                                43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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                                                                • michael.kickass
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                                                                  • Mar 2009
                                                                  • 11039

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Interesting reading. thx
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                                                                  • Grapesoda
                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                                    • 46238

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by PR_Tom
                                                                    It's as if you believe that the most important point on global warming is that it's a left wing socialist plot to impose regulations and grab money.
                                                                    n0w you 're getting it

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                                                                    • seeandsee
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      its getting more and more hotter here on Balkan, i say fucking shit
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                                                                      • Grapesoda
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                                                                        • Jul 2003
                                                                        • 46238

                                                                        #36






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                                                                        • tony286
                                                                          lurker
                                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                                          • 57021

                                                                          #37
                                                                          man the oil companies and koch brothers are doing a good job.
                                                                          the weather gets more and more extreme and of course there is no way man had anything to do with it. Manufacturing,vehicles are part of nature lol

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                                                                          • tony286
                                                                            lurker
                                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                                            • 57021

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by bm bradley






                                                                            got a real news source?

                                                                            here you go http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...ws.theobserver

                                                                            This was during Bush, when that lefty group the pentagon was telling Bush about it.

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                                                                            • Lucy - CSC
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Aug 2011
                                                                              • 490

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by wehateporn
                                                                              That's an interesting development, it's a scam to get the taxes in place for the World Government

                                                                              If you show people the obvious they just call you a conspiracy theorist.
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                                                                              • sperbonzo
                                                                                I'd rather be on my boat.
                                                                                • May 2003
                                                                                • 9750

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by tony286
                                                                                man the oil companies and koch brothers are doing a good job.
                                                                                the weather gets more and more extreme and of course there is no way man had anything to do with it. Manufacturing,vehicles are part of nature lol

                                                                                man left-wing statist groups and George Soros are doing a good job.
                                                                                the weather has been proven to have gone through cycles of extreme changes throughout the history of the planet, long before manufacturing and vehicles and of course it's all man made. lol



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                                                                                • TheSquealer
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                                                                                  • Oct 2004
                                                                                  • 26174

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  All the guy is doing is questioning what is a very practical, common sense issue of scientific method and an attempt at turning science into religion, where faith in an idea has become above question and where science is ceasing to let the facts and data reveal the truth and lead the way to discovery.

                                                                                  Whether you agree with or are against, or love Obama or hate Obama or Al Gore or whatever. The guy was resigning due to their abandonment of good scientific practices. His point was simply that language like "the evidence is incontrovertible." as used in the report is bad science.

                                                                                  It's like you guys never learned to think or read sometimes.
                                                                                  Last edited by TheSquealer; 09-16-2011, 06:29 AM.
                                                                                  .
                                                                                  Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

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                                                                                  • tony286
                                                                                    lurker
                                                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                                                    • 57021

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by sperbonzo
                                                                                    man left-wing statist groups and George Soros are doing a good job.
                                                                                    the weather has been proven to have gone through cycles of extreme changes throughout the history of the planet, long before manufacturing and vehicles and of course it's all man made. lol



                                                                                    .
                                                                                    yep that leftist pentagon lol you are too funny. even if its all bullshit dont you want your kid to have clean air and water?

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                                                                                    • sperbonzo
                                                                                      I'd rather be on my boat.
                                                                                      • May 2003
                                                                                      • 9750

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by tony286
                                                                                      yep that leftist pentagon lol you are too funny. even if its all bullshit dont you want your kid to have clean air and water?
                                                                                      Of course I do, but not by way of global taxes, government and redistribution of wealth, which is what this is being used to push.




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                                                                                      • KBHMN
                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                        • Jan 2011
                                                                                        • 99

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                                                                        All the guy is doing is questioning what is a very practical, common sense issue of scientific method and an attempt at turning science into religion, where faith in an idea has become above question and where science is ceasing to let the facts and data reveal the truth and lead the way to discovery.

                                                                                        Whether you agree with or are against, or love Obama or hate Obama or Al Gore or whatever. The guy was resigning due to their abandonment of good scientific practices. His point was simply that language like "the evidence is incontrovertible." as used in the report is bad science.

                                                                                        It's like you guys never learned to think or read sometimes.
                                                                                        +1 could not have said it any better.

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                                                                                        • Shotsie
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Sep 2011
                                                                                          • 1208

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by PR_Tom
                                                                                          It's as if you believe that the most important point on global warming is that it's a left wing socialist plot to impose regulations and grab money.
                                                                                          I know right! Why would you want to impose regulations on oil companies? It's not like they spilled 205 million gallons of oil into the Gulf of Mexico or something.

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                                                                                          • tony286
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                                                                                            • Aug 2002
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Shotsie
                                                                                            I know right! Why would you want to impose regulations on oil companies? It's not like they spilled 205 million gallons of oil into the Gulf of Mexico or something.
                                                                                            please dont bring up those messy things up like that lol

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                                                                                            • Bill8
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                                                                                              • Oct 2001
                                                                                              • 1901

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by PR_Glen
                                                                                              really? .8 degrees up in the last 150 years? Do you plan on living to be 3000 years old?
                                                                                              .8 degrees kelvin - a kelvin degree equals 1.8 degrees farenheit. So, 1.44 degrees F.

                                                                                              As a global average measurement, not a regional measurement, it's pretty significant, and represents a huge amount of heat energy.

                                                                                              And you are either misrepresenting or misunderstanding it's significance. It's not a temperature rise that will cook us like lobsters that is the issue. It's changes in weather patterns and intensification of weather extremes that is what the models predict - and what the measurements still seem to confirm.

                                                                                              Increase of deserts, changes in rainfall and snowfall patterns, stronger storms, hotter hots, colder colds, changes in plant growth patterns, migrations and extinctions, stuff like that.

                                                                                              Suggesting it's going to cook us, and that thats what we are talking about, is silly.

                                                                                              Why did you pick that particular image? You do know it's silly, right?

                                                                                              Oh - and we as individuals will all be dead soon - but humans as a species have been around for a while and will presumably still be around 3000 years from now - so, even if you were being hyperbolic, someone, our descendants, will hopefully be around 3000 years from now.
                                                                                              Last edited by Bill8; 09-16-2011, 02:19 PM.

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