Host refusing to give additional IPs ? WTF ?

[Fabien]

Email sent:
Hi
I would like to get an additional IP to my account.
It will be used for search engine marketing purposes.
Thanks


Reply:
We do not under any circumstances issue IP's for SEO reasons.
This is against ARIN policy and we would risk losing all our IP's if we did this.
Thank you for your understanding.

Regards,
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Now i have been online since 97 and it's the first time i get this reply !
WTF ?
It's a brand new host i'm trying. Maybe i didn't make myself clear.
What i wanted to say is, i want another IP so i don't get too much domains under one IP.
Maybe i should have said this instead ?
Anyways...

What's your view on this ?
How should i ask them to make sure it works out, so they don't get the stick up the a$$ after ? Tell them what them want to hear if you prefer.
Or should i tell them to FUCK OFF

[Barefootsies]

This is not new. Many hosts have that policy. Especially more so in IPv4 2011 unvierse.

[alias]

Tell them to fuck off.

[TubeKing]

what host is it?

[Sly]

I've seen some hosts say that. I do usually just move on. I also don't mention anything about SEO. Just make sure they know it's for legitimate purposes and that should be enough, if they allow it to begin with.

[KRosh]

The internet has run out of IP's
IPv6

[Fabien]

Thanks
More inputs please.

[TubeKing]

More input please.

you're an idiot

[alias]

They are harder to get, most hosts are not giving away ips if they can help it.

You really are better off getting a set number of ips with the service when you first sign up.

[Linguist]

you're an idiot

Pretty much. The way you worded your request would make a huge majority of hosting companies refuse it.

Tell them it's for an SSL certificate (each must have own IP), problem solved. Or go with a different host.

[Brent 3dSexCash]

Hosts will have, in their TOS, something regarding the distribution of IPs.

Many are now making you fill out forms before you can get them and fax/email them back.

They've been doing this for a while now.

Some hosts that i've worked with in the past that don't ask:

ThePlanet
Liquidweb


SEO is NOT a reason you should ever tell them an IP is for. Instant denial.

They need to be used for stuff like "SSL certificates" instead if you catch my drift.

[Kelli58]

Tell them you are develop software that requires their own IP address for security reasons or some bullshit like that. Problem solved :P

[Babaganoosh]

You don't need a new IP address for "SEO" purposes.

[Barefootsies]

Ask them what their "buy out" price is, and have Manwin make them an offer.

[facialfreak]

HAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAA!!!!

This thread delivers!! :D

[Juicy D. Links]

ask them "is it cause I am black that you wont give me new IP" ?

[NaughtyRob]

Dump that host. www.nationalnet.com rocks.

[scubadiver626]

Now that's funny

[chaze]

They should just charge a small fee for each one.

[chaze]

You don't need a new IP address for "SEO" purposes.

[MetaMan]

Can them asap. I dont have time to deal with stupid hosts. 99% are complete and utter idiots.

They asked me what i needed IPs for i told them give me the IPs or i am cancelling all my servers. Problem solved.

[chaze]

Can them asap. I dont have time to deal with stupid hosts. 99% are complete and utter idiots.

They asked me what i needed IPs for i told them give me the IPs or i am cancelling all my servers. Problem solved.

A dedicated server should get free IP's too

[rowan]

Now i have been online since 97 and it's the first time i get this reply !
WTF ?

You've been on the net for 14 years and you didn't know we're running very short of IPv4 address space? Asia Pacific is already officially out of blocks.

ARIN has had strict rules for at least a couple of years, because IP address space is now mostly a precious resource...

If the host gave every customer 100 IPs out of their pool, when they ran out of those and asked ARIN for more the answer would most likely be "no"

or

"please explain how you've used up all your current IPs"

[BradBreakfast]

NationalNet really needs a website overhaul....bad!

[2MuchMark]

The truth is, IP addresses are in short supply, and you have to qualify to get a dedicated, fixed IP address from most hosting companies. Dedicated IP addresses for "SEO Purposes" is simply not a good enough reason for them to assign some to you according to their TOS.

You could go to another host, but I don't think it would be worth it.

The only search engine that matters today is Google (and maybe Bing). Your site will get noticed if its content is relevant to the search. SEO "Experts" who try to beat Google (and charge their customers for it) are just wasting their time because if they succeed at fooling Google today, Google will see it and then bump that site down to the very last page.

[chaze]

The truth is, IP addresses are in short supply, and you have to qualify to get a dedicated, fixed IP address from most hosting companies. Dedicated IP addresses for "SEO Purposes" is simply not a good enough reason for them to assign some to you according to their TOS.

You could go to another host, but I don't think it would be worth it.

The only search engine that matters today is Google (and maybe Bing). Your site will get noticed if its content is relevant to the search. SEO "Experts" who try to beat Google (and charge their customers for it) are just wasting their time because if they succeed at fooling Google today, Google will see it and then bump that site down to the very last page.

True but in most cases the host has several ready for customer needs. I didn't catch how many he needs but 5-10 shouldn't be a problem even though they are running out.

More important is why get a dedicated IP, the only reason I know is for SSL, SEO will not be helped by this.

[Horny Guy]

i never have any problems getting ips ...moved some sites last week and got 100 of them added to my account ...

got to move another 80 sites there this week ...will ask for another 80 ...no problem ...change hosts ...if need to contact me i have a list of hosts where ips are not problems

[directfiesta]

Pretty much. The way you worded your request would make a huge majority of hosting companies refuse it.

Tell them it's for an SSL certificate (each must have own IP), problem solved. Or go with a different host.

absolutely ... seo is not a valid reason... unless you do business with an seo oriented host .. as GotWebHost .

As for ssl, if they check, they can just remove that IP from your account , no warning needed ...

I myself have leased 19 class C to the same account ( ihostseo.com ) ...

[CYF]

Email sent:
Hi
I would like to get an additional IP to my account.
It will be used for search engine marketing purposes.
Thanks

that's not a valid reason for an IP address.

[react]

IP allocations pulled.

[Due]

VOIP gateways / VPN / Mailers / Brand (and / or responsibility) separation

[garce]

I told Amerinoc that I was was shutting down a (very) unreliable shared, and that I would need 2 IPs to transfer the sites to my server.

Boomshakalacka! I got two IPs within about five minutes of asking for them.

[V_RocKs]

My I take this time to suggest Cyberwurx? You know me... I take a look at a lot of shit. So me being at Cyberwurx actually means something.

[criticaldotnet]

Okay first off any host saying it is against atom policy to assign ip space for SEO is so full of shit.

Most hosts will deny seo ip request because of mailers.

If you need ips for SEO feel free to send us an email. Note if ips are used for.mail you will be shut down. However we will never turn a customer away for asking for dedicated ips as long as we have them to give.

[Dirty Dane]

With IP 6 that shouldn't be a problem

[Emil]

Say that you need new IPs for nameservers or SSL. Not SEO...

[Fabien]

You've been on the net for 14 years and you didn't know we're running very short of IPv4 address space? Asia Pacific is already officially out of blocks.

ARIN has had strict rules for at least a couple of years, because IP address space is now mostly a precious resource...

If the host gave every customer 100 IPs out of their pool, when they ran out of those and asked ARIN for more the answer would most likely be "no"

or

"please explain how you've used up all your current IPs"

Rowan, where do i say i didn't know this in my thread ?
All i am saying is that i couldn't get an additional IP (even one) !

You can't have 50 domains under one IP and expect nice listings for all of them.

[CaptainWolfy]

why would you even need to tell host why do you need more ips, wtf just ask them to add more ips and u are ready to go... if you nee reliable host for SEO take a peak in my sig..

[Fabien]

You need to supply a valid reason to get one. Every host asks this as we're running out of Ips, so....

[imabro]

some hosts always be like this
now they running out, it pays to hold on to them
1$ from you or 99$ from new customer for same ip

[martinsc]

so many funny and wrong things in one thread....

[Spudstr]

Say that you need new IPs for nameservers or SSL. Not SEO...

nameserver do not require unique ips.. and have not required unique IP's for over 10 years now.

SSL and hosts machines are the only reason why people need unique ip addresses. Unless running multiple services over the same port that are different applications then you need unique ips as well.

i.e varnish, lighttpd, squid, apache, whateverelse goes here.

IPv4 is running out. We deny people who ask for IP's weekly. So yes if you are ever looking at yellow fiber for hosting and demand more than a reasonable amount of ips. i.e5 to 16 then you will be denied. And we are not the host for you. We have hundreds of happy customers that do very very well in the seo world and don't use hundreds of ips.

The whole unique IP address game is going to be irrelevant in the next few years.. Why? IPv6 is going tot ake over and at that point no one is even going to care. Until then IPv4 space is a resource, a valuable one. ARIN is only allocating IP allocations for additional space based off 3 month projection usage. Yes. We are out of IP space. Someone go thank china for taking almost half the worlds ip space.

[Spudstr]

You need to supply a valid reason to get one. Every host asks this as we're running out of Ips, so....

Its called technical justification, and while there is no real rule or "guide" for this. ARIN will ask for it and question you. If they see you giving out massive amounts of IP space to people who simply are doing it for SEO reasons they will deny you or cut you down on your allocation request for more resources.

SEO hosts are only screwing themselves in the long run.

[cooldude7]

SSL is the reason u should have told them.

[Fabien]

Pretty much. The way you worded your request would make a huge majority of hosting companies refuse it.

Tell them it's for an SSL certificate (each must have own IP), problem solved. Or go with a different host.

Well i have done this over and over again for over 14 years and never got any issues asking for them this way. In fact, Last week i got some on another host of mine.


As for the other fucker (TubeKing).
Why the fuck the term "idiot" ?
Read the reply i just wrote DICK


But you know what i'm thinking, maybe this won't be an issue in a near futur as we're running out of Ips so you will start to see 100's of domains under the same IP (various client/webmasters) sharing one and people won't get penalized for it.

[Fabien]

You don't need a new IP address for "SEO" purposes.

Well as matter a fact, YES

If you got 50 domains under one IP, trust me, 99.9% of your domains won't get a top listing.
But that's about to go (well i think) but not for now.

[JustJ]

100tb.com hands out Ips like they are going out of style.. Made me fill out a justification form for the 3rd batch of 8 I got.. it was hilarious, and they approved me!

[JamesGw]

You want a different c-block address for SEO purposes anyway. That usually means an entirely different hosting plan.

[criticaldotnet]

nameserver do not require unique ips.. and have not required unique IP's for over 10 years now.

SSL and hosts machines are the only reason why people need unique ip addresses. Unless running multiple services over the same port that are different applications then you need unique ips as well.

i.e varnish, lighttpd, squid, apache, whateverelse goes here.

IPv4 is running out. We deny people who ask for IP's weekly. So yes if you are ever looking at yellow fiber for hosting and demand more than a reasonable amount of ips. i.e5 to 16 then you will be denied. And we are not the host for you. We have hundreds of happy customers that do very very well in the seo world and don't use hundreds of ips.

The whole unique IP address game is going to be irrelevant in the next few years.. Why? IPv6 is going tot ake over and at that point no one is even going to care. Until then IPv4 space is a resource, a valuable one. ARIN is only allocating IP allocations for additional space based off 3 month projection usage. Yes. We are out of IP space. Someone go thank china for taking almost half the worlds ip space.

What in your mind is a reasonable amount of ips? IpV4 might be running out but you also got to understand more and more company's are turning in legacy space, and arin, ripe and others are slowly taking ips over from company's that are dead.

IPV6 may be the future but it is still years away. Most of this country, not to mention most of the world does not have equipment to handle IPv6 and the reason why it is continued to be delayed is because of the cost to prepare the networks for IPv6 (Routers, Man Hours)

I say this personally. I think it is wrong for any host to deny IPv4 if the space is available and a customer has a legit reason to use it. I am sick and tired of these games on how ARIN is not handing out new IP Space, and or a host to tell a client they do not need that much ip space and bully them into either putting up with it or moving.

[rowan]

I say this personally. I think it is wrong for any host to deny IPv4 if the space is available and a customer has a legit reason to use it. I am sick and tired of these games on how ARIN is not handing out new IP Space, and or a host to tell a client they do not need that much ip space and bully them into either putting up with it or moving.

What happens if the host themselves is nearly out of IPs, and ARIN refuses a further allocation?

Do you then go back and ask the customers with (excessively) multiple IPs to renumber, so you have some to give to new customers?