Twitter=Worthless?

[jimmycooper]

Retweets from two porn stars who have a total of 59,785 followers netted me the following analytics data.

Uniques - 78
Pages Viewed - 1.53
Avg.Time on Site - 00:42
Bounce - 83%

lol

After looking at the numbers from my "Twitter traffic" based campaigns last fall, I can't say I'm totally shocked at these early numbers, but they do seem a bit lower.

[Agent 488]

see the same thing. twitter is a bot, fake and unused account cesspool.

[NaughtyRob]

Its great for networking if you shoot. Tons of girls find me on there and get in touch with me to shoot.

[alias]

Same here, pretty useless. Good for indexing only.

[Profits of Doom]

If you're trying to cold sell something Twitter blows. But if you already have a customer Twitter is great for upsells and providing customer service...

[rock-reed]

If you're trying to cold sell something Twitter blows. But if you already have a customer Twitter is great for upsells and providing customer service...

This is a very good point.

[baddog]

http://www.pimpspromo.com/social-mar...-2011-chicago/

[BSleazy]

Why would retweeting anything bring you traffic?

[Profits of Doom]

Why would retweeting anything bring you traffic?

They probably retweeted a link of his...

[jimmycooper]

My experience with Twitter

Porn Star Gifts - Launched on 11/1
I'm the one who first experimented with the concept. My reasoning was simply that, by adding the Amazon wish lists, the girls would be more inclined to re-tweet. I was correct, as the re-tweet rate was higher than average, but it led to 0 conversions after getting something like 20 retweets by girls who had a total of 300-400K followers. Along with the the wish lists, each post had one photo gallery, a VOD link, and a few of their wish list items highlighted alongside my commentary. Total waste of time which is why I thought it was kind of funny when the idea was copied.

Débutant Of The Year Tournament - Launched Late November
A March Madness/World Cup bracket style tournament which started with 32 porn stars and ended with one champion (Lily Carter). The idea was that most of the girls would repeatedly lobby for votes. I did see a jump in traffic, and got some decent linkbacks and publicity, but it had a minimal effect on sales.

The only time it's been successful for me was when I launched my site and it was total luck. Really just the perfect storm. I launched in conjunction with the end of the World Cup because I was doing The World Cup of Porn. It was an unmonetized wordpress.com website that was really just meant to be a lead in to the launch. During the WCOP, I was able to get several guest posts from various porn stars, one of which was from Bobbi Eden. When she did the Team BJ thing and got all of those new followers, she had them vote for her on my website. As the Cup ended and I launched the site (which was initially selling an $8 porn star database loaded with affiliate coded links), I was able to make some quick money. The backend of the plan didn't workout as planned, but I did OK that first few weeks.

With that being said, it's highly unlikely that anything like that would ever happen again.It would come off as a cheap imitation. lol

Not to mention that a large part of the reason it worked for her so well is b/c she's Dutch and the Dutch have a history of disappointing results at the WC.

[jimmycooper]

They probably retweeted a link of his...

Exactly.

[Major (Tom)]

Why would retweeting anything bring you traffic?

Because said whore retweeting it to 50k people is basically in theory 50k people she has some kind of influence over or they are at least interested in what she says.
Duke

[Agent 488]

now that social signals are part of the google algo now any seo at the very least should have a large twitter account so you can tweet you links (or pay people to tweet them).

tweets and retweets from those with more followers/influence have more juice btw.

[Profits of Doom]

My experience with Twitter

Porn Star Gifts - Launched on 11/1
I'm the one who first experimented with the concept. My reasoning was simply that, by adding the Amazon wish lists, the girls would be more inclined to re-tweet. I was correct, as the re-tweet rate was higher than average, but it led to 0 conversions after getting something like 20 retweets by girls who had a total of 300-400K followers. Along with the the wish lists, each post had one photo gallery, a VOD link, and a few of their wish list items highlighted alongside my commentary. Total waste of time which is why I thought it was kind of funny when the idea was copied.

Débutant Of The Year Tournament - Launched Late November
A March Madness/World Cup bracket style tournament which started with 32 porn stars and ended with one champion (Lily Carter). The idea was that most of the girls would repeatedly lobby for votes. I did see a jump in traffic, and got some decent linkbacks and publicity, but it had a minimal effect on sales.

The only time it's been successful for me was when I launched my site and it was total luck. Really just the perfect storm. I launched in conjunction with the end of the World Cup because I was doing The World Cup of Porn. It was an unmonetized wordpress.com website that was really just meant to be a lead in to the launch. During the WCOP, I was able to get several guest posts from various porn stars, one of which was from Bobbi Eden. When she did the Team BJ thing and got all of those new followers, she had them vote for her on my website. As the Cup ended and I launched the site (which was initially selling an $8 porn star database loaded with affiliate coded links), I was able to make some quick money. The backend of the plan didn't workout as planned, but I did OK that first few weeks.

With that being said, it's highly unlikely that anything like that would ever happen again.It would come off as a cheap imitation. lol

Not to mention that a large part of the reason it worked for her so well is b/c she's Dutch and the Dutch have a history of disappointing results at the WC.

Seriously man, much fucking respect. It doesn't matter if they didn't work as planned, that's some serious outside the box thinking. Keep slinging that shit against the wall and eventually some will stick...

[fris]

i get around 1500 unique clicks off my tweets per day

[jimmycooper]

http://www.pimpspromo.com/social-mar...-2011-chicago/

Lol. I'm sure there were plenty of other better ways to spend time in Chicago than to sit and listen to all the bloviating that was likely echoing off of that stage. The business that has most benefited from Twitter has been the business of teaching people how to use Twitter.

[jimmycooper]

depends on what you're time is worth. It's been about 7 months and I've made okay money, but you need many accounts with a support of blogs. - When it was all said and done, I found easier methods for profitable traffic and far less time consuming to set up or maintain.

If I had to rate it and 10 being the best it's barely a 3 and that's with a zero invested overhead other then your time. - Great if you're a collage student for beer money.

That's exactly how I feel. Yes, it can in theory be useful, but you need to really keep at it. Relative to writing keyword rich text, or working on some other type of promotion, or even submitting galleries, it does not fare well.

[jimmycooper]

now that social signals are part of the google algo now any seo at the very least should have a large twitter account so you can tweet you links (or pay people to tweet them).

tweets and retweets from those with more followers/influence have more juice btw.

That's exactly why I'm doing it again. Not only that, but each of the posts which I hope to get retweeted will contain keyword rich internal links, a very important part of my SEO strategy. Check it out.
http://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18226884&postcount=125

Seriously man, much fucking respect. It doesn't matter if they didn't work as planned, that's some serious outside the box thinking. Keep slinging that shit against the wall and eventually some will stick...

Thanks! I've actually spent the better part of this year trying to take a step back and learn the basics. Both for running a website and learning more about the industry itself (I came from a Media Planning/Negotiating background and had never even had a website of any kind beforehand) because I think that I kind of jumped the gun on a lot of ideas without having enough experience to maximize the results. Now that I feel as if I've somewhat developed a 'base' of knowledge and experience, though, I'm getting the itch to try some more outside the box type strategies.

i get around 1500 unique clicks off my tweets per day

Do they convert? How many Followers? Tweets/Day?

[ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Twitter = Spam host 2.0

[marcop]

Its great for networking if you shoot. Tons of girls find me on there and get in touch with me to shoot.

I agree, Rob... it's not a way to get rich quick, but I think it's going to be a very useful tool.

[Lamis]

useless?? lol...

twitter is one of my main non-seo traffic sources and it converts like mad... specially when you have many accounts with 10K+followers...

But again, im talking about mainstream, and of course there is no way im sharing any info, since nobody here shares his on how the fuck you convert cams+dating with your dirty blackhat tactics...

[Abbie]

Twitter is a great tool if you take the time to learn how to use it properly. It's been not only top 3 for traffic for us, but also actual conversions / sales. It takes time and patience to build it up, but its worth it.

[Agent 488]

useless?? lol...

twitter is one of my main non-seo traffic sources and it converts like mad... specially when you have many accounts with 10K+followers...

But again, im talking about mainstream, and of course there is no way im sharing any info, since nobody here shares his on how the fuck you convert cams+dating with your dirty blackhat tactics...

mainstream !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jayvis]

Twitter is a great tool if you take the time to learn how to use it properly. It's been not only top 3 for traffic for us, but also actual conversions / sales. It takes time and patience to build it up, but its worth it.

Abbie = twitter genius... I've seen her skillzzz all of her stuff has a very loyal legion of followers.

As for me it's a great networking tool, I've picked up a handful of decent sized affiliates and deals as a result of twitter.

[Jayvis]

But again, im talking about mainstream, and of course there is no way im sharing any info, since nobody here shares his on how the fuck you convert cams+dating with your dirty blackhat tactics...

I share info all the time on how to convert dating and cams. Do you need assistance with something? I don't even care if you're an affiliate of ours, just let me know if you'd like insight into something... Cheer up man.

[Robbie]

The porn stars with tens of thousands of followers have tens of thousands of purchased "followers" and nothing more. That's why your stats were so bad. Real girls with real honest to God fans following them have pretty good results with Twitter.

[jimmycooper]

twitter is one of my main non-seo traffic sources and it converts like mad... specially when you have many accounts with 10K+followers.

Unless you think you're the only one who has 'many accounts with 10K+ followers', it should be quite clear that the effectiveness of each and every tweet has been absurdly diluted thereby weakening the entire medium. Whatever chance that Twitter ever did have at being useful was ruined by people like you.

But again, im talking about mainstream

Wrong section.

and of course there is no way im sharing any info

Nobody asked.

since nobody here shares his on how the fuck you convert cams+dating with your dirty blackhat tactics...

Why should that even matter to a baller like you who's banking it with his many 10K+ follower Twitter accounts?

useless?? lol...

Apparently.

[jimmycooper]

Twitter is a great tool if you take the time to learn how to use it properly. It's been not only top 3 for traffic for us, but also actual conversions / sales. It takes time and patience to build it up, but its worth it.

I don't think there's an issue of learning how to use it properly. It's a very simple tool. I know for a fact that I haven't been using it the way it was meant to be used. However, once my tweet goes out and gets retweeted, it means that I am no longer part of the equation and that my links will hopefully be circulated by people who are using it properly. But they're not using it properly. Many user aren't using it properly. And as the user base continues to grow, there will likely be more and more people who don't use it properly and more people who just decide to do other things. Twitter has jumped the shark.

[jimmycooper]

The porn stars with tens of thousands of followers have tens of thousands of purchased "followers" and nothing more. That's why your stats were so bad. Real girls with real honest to God fans following them have pretty good results with Twitter.

You do have a valid point, but my updated total of 92 uniques generated from retweets by girls with 59,785 followers, amounts to 0.15% click through, which is not only absurdly low,but much less in not only the %, which is to be expected with growth, but less in actual numbers than what it was during both last summer and during the holiday season.
It's an admittedly small sample ,and maybe Father's Day weekend has something to do with it, but it really is low.

Here are the updated numbers.

92 Visits

1.47 Pages/Visit
Site Avg: 2.06 (-28.85%)

00:00:36 Avg. Time on Site
Site Avg: 00:01:06 (-45.07%)

83.70% Bounce Rate
Site Avg: 61.21% (36.74%)

Now take a look at this spreadsheet I made last year.



I just saw a 'press release' about how Nikki Benz celebrated her 100,000th Twitter follower by doing something or another. That's about twice as many as she had on 10/28/10. The medium simply cannot continue to sustain the current rate of growth without it's efficiency and effectiveness being severely diluted. I personally think it already has been diluted. I'll continue to do move forward with the plan, but only because of the SERP benefits.

[lagcam]

If you're trying to cold sell something Twitter blows. But if you already have a customer Twitter is great for upsells and providing customer service...

I think this is on the money. How long it lasts with any worthwhile tweets caught up with everybody else's spam is another question.

[ilnjscb]

- when will people learn, any marketing method that hits a trade show circuit is as useful as a eulogy at a funeral.

Thats the only time a eulogy *is* useful

[Chosen]

Twitter sucks...

[u-Bob]

twitter = great for indexing and launching rumors/viral campagins.



(said the guy with over 900 twitter accounts)

[fris]

That's exactly why I'm doing it again. Not only that, but each of the posts which I hope to get retweeted will contain keyword rich internal links, a very important part of my SEO strategy. Check it out.
http://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18226884&postcount=125



Thanks! I've actually spent the better part of this year trying to take a step back and learn the basics. Both for running a website and learning more about the industry itself (I came from a Media Planning/Negotiating background and had never even had a website of any kind beforehand) because I think that I kind of jumped the gun on a lot of ideas without having enough experience to maximize the results. Now that I feel as if I've somewhat developed a 'base' of knowledge and experience, though, I'm getting the itch to try some more outside the box type strategies.



Do they convert? How many Followers? Tweets/Day?

usally 1 tweet a day, 13k+ followers. i dont push any products currently.

[dseo]

I stoped my twitter followers services... cos there is no result at all... people even complain after some time that i used my own bots to get the work done, however all the work was completed 100% manual and checking every single person.. Twitter is junk.. I will say if you want to build followers then go for digg or something like...

[Sid70]

Retweets from two porn stars who have a total of 59,785 followers netted me the following analytics data.

Uniques - 78
Pages Viewed - 1.53
Avg.Time on Site - 00:42
Bounce - 83%

lol

After looking at the numbers from my "Twitter traffic" based campaigns last fall, I can't say I'm totally shocked at these early numbers, but they do seem a bit lower.

It's like you thought social madia brings sales. Come on!

[DamianJ]

The porn stars with tens of thousands of followers have tens of thousands of purchased "followers" and nothing more. That's why your stats were so bad. Real girls with real honest to God fans following them have pretty good results with Twitter.

It's so sweet how you post your opinion as fact all day long.

Really.

How about some citations or, oh forget it...

[DamianJ]

I stoped my twitter followers services... cos there is no result at all... people even complain after some time that i used my own bots to get the work done, however all the work was completed 100% manual and checking every single person.. Twitter is junk.. I will say if you want to build followers then go for digg or something like...

It's hilarious you are billing yourself as SEO expert and can find no value in the SEO of twitter.

Fucking funny.

[MrCain]

I use it to get new sites indexed.

[baddog]

Twitter is junk.. I will say if you want to build followers then go for digg or something like...

Digg? Really?

[Black All Through]

Twitter is a side dish seo tool, if you know how to use it without pissing off the panda.

[Agent 488]

It's so sweet how you post your opinion as fact all day long.

Really.

How about some citations or, oh forget it...

twitter followers never seen at a porn convention = fake.

[Robbie]

twitter followers never seen at a porn convention = fake.

I'm not even sure why Damian is in this thread (I have him on ignore), but I would say that like most things in this business...he doesn't have any actual experience doing any of this.

We're friends with lots of the "porn star" girls in the biz. I know some of them whose husbands do their tweeting. I know some of them who have paid for a hundred thousand "followers" (and were passing on the info to us to do the same...but we weren't looking for that from Twitter).

And I know some girls who are some of the most legendary names from the business who only have a few thousand followers because they do it honestly.

And when we or some of the other girls tweet something business related (such as CM about to go on Live Cam, or the latest update, or a personal appearance, etc.) we see them in the room on cams (they tell her "I'm so and so from Twitter or Facebook or Tumblr or Digg"). They identify themselves when they join the website (they can write directly to CM inside the members area and tell her how they joined and why). And just like a week ago when we went out to see Paul McCartney at the MGM here in Vegas: She tweeted it and we met a half dozen or so fans at MGM that had seen the tweet and were in town. Also when we left MGM after the show and went to the RIO she tweeted that as well. We walked into the RIO and within 15 minutes she had 3 fans buying her drinks at the I-Bar who follow her on Twitter and saw that tweet on their cell phones.

It's great marketing. Because everyone of the guys took cellphone pics with her at MGM and the RIO. And they all gushed about it. And two of them joined that night. Then they put the pics up on their facebooks, etc. and it's just good natural organic marketing.

And no, none of that works for an adult company. It has to be the actual girl herself.

[candyflip]

usally 1 tweet a day, 13k+ followers. i dont push any products currently.

Way to work that man. You really got uniques pushed up. I was only able to work it for a few hundred up to about 500 per day. But I was pushing services too, when I was really trucking.

Glad you're still able to make use of it.

http://twitter.com/iheartwordpress

[miss_bellabellini]

You have to reply to your twitter followers and build up a relationship with them if you are going to keep them interested in what you are doing. You can't just rely on posting links and retweeting.

[DamianJ]

I'm not even sure why Damian is in this thread (I have him on ignore), but I would say that like most things in this business...he doesn't have any actual experience doing any of this.

Again, opinion as fact!

When will you learn?

Robbie, love, you're wrong. But that's cool.

It has to be the actual girl herself.

Fuck. We agree on something. There's a first! I get all the talent on my clients' sites to do it themselves. Makes such a difference. Fans can tell instantly if it isn't actually x tweeting.

How beautiful. PM and Gary seem to have left and you and I agree.

So much love in the room today.

[B.Barnato]

Threads like this make my head hurt.

What do you people expect from non organic followers as far as interaction is concerned?

Muppets buying followers or doing follow for follow are just wasting their time and money. Minimal value may be achieved for seo purposes, yet again only if there are resulting retweets that are natural.

I really doubt thousands of dormant indian and philippino accounts created en masse will do any more than get you indexed.

[Robbie]

Threads like this make my head hurt.

What do you people expect from non organic followers as far as interaction is concerned?

Muppets buying followers or doing follow for follow are just wasting their time and money. Minimal value may be achieved for seo purposes, yet again only if there are resulting retweets that are natural.

I really doubt thousands of dormant indian and philippino accounts created en masse will do any more than get you indexed.

Very nicely put.

[fris]

Digg? Really?

digg is still very good for traffic.

[Rochard]

Its great for networking if you shoot. Tons of girls find me on there and get in touch with me to shoot.

Yes, but those are people looking for you. No one "looks" or searches for someone on Twitter unless they are looking for something. If your looking to model on line, they'll find you. If they are looking for photos of lesbians, well, good luck.

If you're trying to cold sell something Twitter blows. But if you already have a customer Twitter is great for upsells and providing customer service...

Exactly. Otherwise it's worthless.