Webcam Sponsors - PPS or Revshare?

Well it's all about the trust you have in the sponsor isn't it ?!

I mean the obvious (IMHO) approach is to look around the sponsors site and weigh up for yourself the level of activity and site features that encourage 'surfer stickyness' ... then once u'r convinced to give them a go, you want to try some traffic on PPS to see how the join process fairs, then if u'r happy with that you'd switch up to RevShare ...

Again, IMHO, PPS says to me you don't trust the site to retain so as an affiliate get u'r $ upfront where as RevShare is more of a partnership between affiliate and sponsor.

with Mobbucks you can do both ... with www.JosieJunior.com you get $30 ppj +25% recurring ... I'm not trying to be spammy but i see this question a lot and that's why we came up with that ....

i see the thread refers to cams ..so Josie doesn't apply .. but still want you to know ..

.. but Mike I think the essence of what you said earlier is right ... re. allowing an affiliate to work either type of commission structure.

We've always believed that any given affiliate is going to have different types of traffic and as such they need as much flexibility as possible ... that's why in our program the switch from revshare to PPS is a simple linking code adjustment ... i've never understood sponsors who don't give affiliates that kind of flex and make then sign up to only 1 kind'a commission type *shrugs*

Yea, right. More like 4 in 10 rebill after the 1st month.

I prefer to make $40++ a FREE signup. (see sig)

Never understood why someone would want to use a program where they have to get a customer to spend an intial $20 in order for them to make $50. It is so much easier to get them to signup for FREE (w/credit card) and make $40++

It's common sense that more people will join something for free then people who will join something that cost $20+. and it actually works that way from my experience.

To answer the other part of the question. If you can make a lot of front, take it.

Which site does that ? A generous average for rebills is 3 months. Even if you are making 70% of a $35 signup, that still only comes out to about $25 so if you average rentention rate is 3 months you can count on making $75 per signup.

Now if that is the case you would do better going with that option instead of pps and making $50.

However, what a lot of people don't realize is that you will make 3 - 4x more signups with the same traffic from a FREE signup. So even though you might only average say, $45 a signup with clickcash, if you make 3x more signups from the same traffic, your return is $135 (free signup) vs. $75 (rebill) vs. $50 (pps) from same amount of traffic.

Revshare.

Cause PPS is kinda like when a girl sleeps with a guy and wonders if he will still be there in the morning.

Free Trials just wanna Hit It and leave.

there was an interesting article about this in this month's xbiz world mag. Legendary lars compared an affiliate sending 2000 hits a day to each of 2 accounts: 1 revshare (20% I think) and the other $50pps. The affiliate, after a year apparently is now making $100 a day from each acct.

So it took a year for revshare to catch up. It all depends on how long you are in this biz for and how fast you need money, but probably revshare earns more in the end.

I believe he's referring to those programs that pay on a % of billed minutes. If you believe some of the sponsors that say their average "paying" customer will spend $700 over time, then 20 - 30% doesn't seem so bad. I believe however that those customers are few and far between and not the average.

yes and it is extremely hard to calculate since some people will stay a customer and buy mins 4 years from now.

But I am sure the program owner has a better feel for what the average person spends on cam. I wouldn't doubt that you make a little more in the long run with a % deal. The sponsor doesn't have to pay you the lump some upfront so they can afford to pay you a little more, over time. I doubt it is much more, it would be dumb for a sponsor to give away a lot with one option. You can bet they have the % amount set just right so you make the same or a little more over time with the % option then the pps option. If they pay $50 per signup or 20%, I would guess that their average customer spends about $250 over the life of his membership.

Sure some will spend $1000 a week but a lot will spend $20 and not a more.

I'ld say you should evaluate many variables such as the quality of traffic you're sending, the quality and appereance of the program etc. to be able to decide for yourself.
And I'ld also go with what High_Quality said that it also pretty much depends on how fast you need the money

LegendaryLars posted that legendary topic on here actually. Here it is:

Legendary Lars % or PPS whats best ?

- Walrus

Yup and actually here is one other benefit of % over PPS, as we continue to tweak the site, our conversions have continued to go up and we continue to offer more and more features and upsells. So people who took money up front keep leaving more and more on the table.

Legendary Lars % or PPS whats best ?

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I get this question all the time hopefully this will help clear the air a bit. I am reposting it from another thread but hopefully it is informative.

first off % is better than PPS on our system. I have one webmaster who sends about 2000 traffic a day to 2 accounts. on PPS and one % and has been doing this for over a year. He makes around $100 a day on each account. The difference is if he turned off both accounts today the % account would pay out for more than a year to come slowly declining over time.

As for how many free signups convert to customers, that really varies on were the traffic comes from and how it is sent to us. I have seen only one trend, if your free signups to traffic sent is over 5% then you should do well with us and te closer you are to 10% conversion from traffic to free signup the more money you will make.

And on to the real hat trick
In live cams there are customers and then there are REAL customers (WHALES) kinda like a casino. 1 (whale) can equal 100 customers. it usuallly takes a good ammount of traffic to find that one whale, a whale can spend as much as $20,000 in a month. as you can see at 20% this is $4000 your cut. Obviously that is the extreme but havina guy who spends 5000 is not unusual.

Now sometimes someone sends us some traffic and it does not convert in the first couple days, and they pull the plug. Thinking this program sucks or whatever. Mostly they just did not stick around long enough to find the GOLD ! This is different than sending traffic to paysites. These customers come back every day and talk to girls. Eventually they try it out. the free signup you send today can turn into a sale 2 months or a year later. But if you have stopped sending traffic, you likely forget all about that when ya get your check a year later.

On the other hand sometimes we get a customer who sends a little traffic lands a WHALE their first week and think oh my god this porgram is the greatest converting thing on the planet ! It typoically takes a good 6 months or so of steady traffic to reach a peak performance but can take up to a year.

This is a long term partnership, Many companies have been with us for years and we are inside almost every major paysite company there is. There is a reason for that !

Please give us a shot at converting your traffic, but give us a fair shot at it and remember it takes a bit more time with live cams but the payoffs can be wicked for waiting around

I have customers that have been purchasing for over a year. I don't know if they keep visiting the same model or not but to have customers purchasing for years is a beautiful thing.

Thank you Lars for the excellent post.

Any more opinions?
Thanks guys!
-Incog

PPS vs. revshare may seem to be fairly even in terms of income but there are 2 distinct advantages of revshare:

1) When you land a big whale (and hopefully a few) you'll be thanking yourself for opting for revshare

2) With revshare you can keep getting checks long, long after you stop promoting a program - with PPS, pretty much once you stop pushing a program, your income stops

1. your average really takes into account whales. You might get 100 people that join and never spend a penny then you get 1 whale and it all averages out. Althought i guess if you were really lucky and you caught say 3 whales after sending 100 people then you would be doing better.

- Or - you could send 500 people and never really catch the whale and you make less then pps. No doubt it's a gamble and depends a lot on the site, how good it is, and how many girls on cam, and most importantly luck. catching the whale is pure luck and i hate to rely on luck for anything I do.

2. Sure you keep getting checks long term, thats because you get tiny paid to you over time. Doesn't mean you will make more. Say you send 100 joins. you get paid $50 pps. So you could have made 5K on the spot. It might take those same 100 people a year or two (if ever) to spend $25,000 for you to make your 20% ($5,000) Say it takes them 2 years to spend that much. so now you waited 2 years to get paid what you could have made in 1 day. Could you have reinvested that money and made more?? Also, you better hope that website doesn't go out of business, loses their processing, gets in trouble with the govt, etc.. a lot could happen and you would lose out big time if you have a lot of futere earnings relying on that company and they stop sending you checks.

just a little more to think about..... i personally prefer the money now. It is the safest option and I know I can put it to good use and make me more. I don't want to have to wait year(s) to be paid when I can be paid today.

rev share will always do better

Come ON PIMP's!

I know more of you have thoughts on this
I'm very curious to know!
-Incognito

By the way, Thanks to all of you who have posted their opinions.

P.S. Sorry for the big font ;)