Good thread...Best of luck with this situation Steve.
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What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now
Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*
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What the FUCK are you smoking?? Seriously, dude! I guess you don't shoot content.Originally posted by slapass
I pay models $500 per day or $250 per half day. In a half day I can easily shoot 10 sets. That's $25 a set.
Damn, dude.... I'll send my models to you to work if you're paying them that much, and then I'll just charge an agent fee.Comment
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Jason,Originally posted by PornDollar
Why is it always you that has to be the voice of reason??
My suggestion get a new, younger, hotter and less troublesome model and redirect tawneestone.com to the website.
Simple.Comment
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I cannot believe the length of this thread!Comment
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Gotta love all the "you oughta pay her more" coming from folks who don't actually have to write the check or the "she stuck to her principles by only doing softcore" when she spreads her legs to make money on the net to begin with.
How quickly people forget the reason there are so many searches performed or the site so popular is because Lightspeed paid to make it so and all of the other expenses associated with doing business.
Sounds to me like she thought she'd catch a ride on the gravy train with a contract extension and is po'd when it didn't happen. Maybe she'll use some of the money you paid her for a course in "Negotiating A Contract 101" for a cut of the pie after sales exceed X amount of $'s or for X amount of months of sales for as long as updates on the site are performed with preshot content on her next gig.
She was already compensated for all of the content you have of her - end of this story. If you have enough to last for years to come - well, that's smart business.Comment
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Steve is being too generous, in my opinion. Tomorrow there will be a mood swing and the offer will change. Tawnee should take the offer tonight.
The offer to help her launch her own site is absolutely astounding. If she doesn't jump on it she'll prove she's just another dumb model. She's been offered the opportunity to go into business for herself.
I see that offer as Steve showing his appreciation for what she's done for Lightspeed. I don't like Steve much (for some personal reasons) but have to admit that this is something that makes my jaw drop open. It's over the top.
Tawnee, if you're reading this thread you should know that you'll never in your entire life be given such a generous offer in any sort of capacity.Comment
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Out of curiosity, who owns the name "tawnee stone"?
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Read before posting. The question has been answered many times.Originally posted by RawAlexComment
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2k a month ... the girl is making welfare money.
I would offer her more but she does not fit my site.Muscle/Fitness Adult Affiliate Program
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holy shit..
this thread is huge..
man making mental note
hire chick.. make her a site fire chick start thread get exposure...
thanks Steve.. this thead is worth 10k easy hahahah your makign your money back quick ! brilliant fucking brilliant !Comment
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well shoot, now that I read this, 2k a month may be welfare money, but she is collecting it for doing nothing - free money.
[QUOTE=Lightspeed I offered her $24k over the next 12 month for DOING NOTHING. The $2000/month was a severance[/QUOTE]Muscle/Fitness Adult Affiliate Program
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Originally posted by Lightspeed
In less then 2 years she will be doing double anal with black guys. MARK MY WORDS.
HERE IS ONE MAJOR FUCKING PROBLEM that NO ONE is thinking about including tawnee. TRAFFIC. I don't care if she produces the content herself and has her boyfriend be the webmaster. What is she going to do to generate her own traffic. She is a model for christ sakes, she likely knows ZERO when it comes to traffic. I don't care how nice your site is or how much content you offer, if people can't find it they wont buy. And if she is on a tight budget how will she afford to buy traffic ?????
She will make next to nothing if she runs her own site. She will have a crash course in design, billing, customer service, hosting, etc... and she will not produce a fraction of the site that a corperation with several years experience and a staff of people have made for her so far.
So in a years time when she is making a couple grand a month at best she will start taking porn jobs. And no one is going to pay her 130K a year, she is not a teen, she is nothing but another decent looking 20's year old model, a dime a dozen. She will need to do something risque' to make more money. She will want the 130K a year pay. She will take dick in her ass, and move on from there.
She will do hardcore, don't kid yourself.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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Originally posted by rollinOn20s
yeap, great hyped up drama for her new site that light speed is going to be partners with her on it....
fake drama sucks, this was planned... sheep bought it... lol bahhhh~
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Originally posted by will76
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Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
Which she will have plenty who will promote her new site.7Comment
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trademark doesn't give you an exclusive right to wordsOriginally posted by sweetums
Playboy tried to make a similar arguement and lost against a former playmate
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl.../11/BU1645.DTL
the same arguement could be used by "tawnee stone"
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What is Tawnee's reason for not wanting to do regular cam shows on her site or updating her site blog a few times a week? The blogging stuff wouldn't take more than 15 to 20 min and she could just make stuff up to write in it, it wouldn't have to be anything about her real life.Comment
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Best of Luck Steve whichever way you play it. In my opinion she probably lived a lifestyle eqivilant to her paycheck doesn't have a nickel to her name.
She's probably starting the drama cause she's pissed at herself give it a week.
You seem like a more than fair guy, plus it was good to meet you in Jamaica what a blast that was.
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It'll be interesting to bump this thread in a year & see where Tawnee is then.
The fact that she's shopping for a new employer & doesn't have the desire to start her own site makes me think she has some understanding about the amount of work it takes to be successful & wants no part of that. She's been spoiled. How many of us were shaped by those shitty part time jobs we had in high school? What's normal for her is earning $10K for 4 hours work. Even with expert tutelege, she would still have to put in a lot of time & effort to grow a brand new site. No cam, no journal, no email interaction = no retention.
My bet is she'll be doing hardcore with Kinzie Kenner within the year.
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Hi Rebecca, here's a summary. Tawnee Stone (of http://www.tawneestone.com) got dropped from LightspeedCash.com and isn't happy about it; she's issuing threats to her former employer(the above stated). The end.Originally posted by Rebecca Love505 posts of something I know entirely nothing about. Late sig placement!
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he was offering a non competitive payout, she could work for anyone else.Originally posted by BrettJ
He already choose to not renew her contract
ergo
he fired her ass
and then offer her cash to not work for anyone else.
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She has a suitcase pimp boyfriend that she very likely bought toys for, plus, I'm sure she bought things for herself. Add in immature spending habits and that money is gone. I still don't get why she didn't find a house that she could pay cash for or have a low, less than 1k mortgage on. This girl is just dumb.Originally posted by SureFireWow, didn?t read every post but if she made 130k last year while still in college and is collecting unemployment comp with 2k a month compensation for a year doing nothing or 24k upfront and starting her own pay site with support, I think Steve is being more than fair.
Just wondering how she blew 130k in a year while in college and all the other monies that she got for previous years working for him.
Any ideas?
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So Steve was paying Tawnee 52 times the going rate for typical models (he essentially paid her $26k per day, 5 days totalling $130k). I'd say that's pretty decent. It's the right thing to do for a model that brings above normal returns and he did it. Who knows what the expenses look like.Originally posted by DonovanPhillipsComment
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I'm really excited how this whole story works out.Comment
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While this is a hard situation, and Tawnee seems to be a A+ bitch I think it would be best to "keep her" for lets say another year or two until she is totaly done in the teen market and you have content for years of updates
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Wow, thread still going... I posted on page 8 or 9 I think. Whatever the case, here's my 2 cents
Let her go man, there's so many girls out there. She seems ungrateful and she's going to bring a negative attitude to your team and girls. Girls at that age, tend to think and do whatever their friends do. So if Tawnee is demanding this or that, How long do you think it's going to be till the rest of the Lightspeed girls are making such demands? Find a girl that looks like her and make her "related" like you did with Tori. You said yourself, "you've got 2 yrs of content left..." She's not going to last forever! Sooner or later they leave.
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Shit, I do not do math well either. ;)Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
I had heard 300 and I thought it was a set not a day. That is unreal then.Comment
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That is awesome... hey what about my rebills going in the toilet when she is doing hardcore on her site and you have the softcore side? I understand this is hard but please look out for the little guys who send traffic too. Thanks.Originally posted by Lightspeed
(hopefully she is pissy and rejects your offer.)Comment
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She was already making $100K+ a year... and all she had to do is look pretty...Originally posted by xxxdesign-netComment
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read the thread before posting nonsense... this case isn't similar to that one.Originally posted by gideongalleryDid you say Pimp My Sexlife?
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This is such bullshit!Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
For all those who think all a girl needs to do is put up a website and the money will roll in are deluding themselves. How many solo girl websites are out there? Tons. You think they're all making $100k/year? Puh-lease.
The solo girl market has gotten ULTRA competitive.. new girls starting out (especially those with no appreciable computer skills) are doomed.
There's a lot to running a website. Doing the content is the easiest part for these girls. And you know what, they'll probably fuck that up too. They most likely don't how to light properly, and their equipment is likely to be consumer (perhaps prosumer).
Everyone here is ALREADY a webmaster - experienced in driving traffic, web marketing, content, etc.
Yes, there are girls who are able to make a go of this on their own, but they're VERY VERY smart girls and they work really hard. It doesn't sound like Tawnee has this drive or desire.Comment
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That was a court decision about how a former Playmate could refer to her previous employer (Playboy) and "position" (Playmate). It's like saying, "Hey, she used to be a Bud girl".Originally posted by gideongallery
You want something similar? Look into WWE vs Chyna or Sable. When they left WWE, they were unable to market themselves with their trademarked WWE names.
How fucking hard is this for people to understand?Comment
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When a bimbo sits on a fortune, she often stands up way too soon...
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Originally posted by HarlotCash Dyker
I wish she'd get on here and post.Comment
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Sorry to hear about your situation Steve. From what I've read, you've always been very fair with your models. My only word of advice would be to not set a precedence for current and future models. Next thing you know you'll have 10 other models 'shopping' around knowing that you might give in. I suppose you're rolling the dice either way. If you makes it big on her own, others might think that they could do better as well. I don't think that will be the case though. Marketing made TawneeStone.com and ALL the copyrighted content floating around will continue to feed it for a LONG LONG time. TammyStone.com will never, ever, EVER be close to doing as well.
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Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
Sorry don't mean to laugh. Like i said in a year she will be lucky if she is making 2K a month even with affiliates.
So how much do you think her site will sell memberships for $34.95 most ? and what will she pay affiliates ? 50% ?60% ? so ccbill takes their 20% she pays bandwidth, and other bills. How much does she make ? Well if she had 100's of affiliates sending 1000's of signups a day then she could make money with a volume like that, but thats not going to happen.
How many of you will advertise a solo girl, softcore site, so you can make 50% of a 34.95 PAID membership ?
Some how I just don't see this little site, RUN BY THE MODEL, starting with a 10K or whatever budget, competing with the big boys and attracting the real affiliates who actually make money.
No thanks, I think I will stick with programs that pay $40 - $70 for a FREE signup, you can keep your little amatuer website that pays be 50% of a PAID membership. LOL
So my question remains how will she get traffic ?ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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sorry that was to give you an example of the rulingOriginally posted by Big E
playboy got sued by WWE because they ran a caption "sable Nude"
they one because they made it clear that it was reno mero the woman who acted as sable in the WWE (WWF)
maxim got sued for using the captions "Sabrina the teenage witch with out a stich of clothing" They lost as well because MAXIM made sure it was clear that Mellisa joan hart (sp) Played the character sabrina the teenage witch.
In both cases the models piggy backed on the fame of the character they played.
Hell the guy who was the bases for the kosmo cramer character on seinfield won the right to call himself the "real" Kosmo Cramer.
I would suggest you talk to a real good entertainment lawyer. She has every right under current law to promote her past acting (playing the character tawnee stone for tawneestone.com) if she wants.
She Just can't I AM Tawnee Stone
She can absolutely promote herself based on the trademark especially because Steve trademark reference explictly states
"The name(s), Portrait(s), and /or signature(s) shown in the mark does not identify a particular living individual"
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Originally posted by will76 Sorry don't mean to laugh. Like i said in a year she will be lucky if she is making 2K a month even with affiliates.
So how much do you think her site will sell memberships for $34.95 most ? and what will she pay affiliates ? 50% ?60% ? so ccbill takes their 20% she pays bandwidth, and other bills. How much does she make ? Well if she had 100's of affiliates sending 1000's of signups a day then she could make money with a volume like that, but thats not going to happen.
How many of you will advertise a solo girl, softcore site, so you can make 50% of a 34.95 PAID membership ?
Some how I just don't see this little site, RUN BY THE MODEL, starting with a 10K or whatever budget, competing with the big boys and attracting the real affiliates who actually make money.
No thanks, I think I will stick with programs that pay $40 - $70 for a FREE signup, you can keep your little amatuer website that pays be 50% of a PAID membership. LOL
So my question remains how will she get traffic ?
lol Dude.. you might know your stuff with clickcash but thats it...
A ton of single girl sites have become extremely popular without being run by big programs.... Its simple... webmasters see a girl they like on a thumb TGP... they think she'll do well... they sign up as affiliates...
Add to that the buzz created by Tawnee launching her own site, all the threads on GFY about it, threads on other boards... and shes ready to go...
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Are you even serious?? lol Do you know anything about the teen niche ?!Comment
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Originally posted by Big E
I dont say ANY girls can do it.... if you look like hotmelissa, nextdoornicky, kateplayground... and you find a competant webmaster to take care of your site.. nevermind promote you... you can make alot of cash... I think tawnee stone still have potential... especially with a fresh new site, new design, new name, alot of original high quality videos...
Just take hotmelissa for exemple... she said shes making $60k in sales a month.. Take off the fees and it still a nice amount of cash...Comment
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fuck her! get the next hottie and market her like crazy.Originally posted by LightspeedComment
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Originally posted by xxxdesign-netlol Dude.. you might know your stuff with clickcash but thats it...
A ton of single girl sites have become extremely popular without being run by big programs.... Its simple... webmasters see a girl they like on a thumb TGP... they think she'll do well... they sign up as affiliates...
Add to that the buzz created by Tawnee launching her own site, all the threads on GFY about it, threads on other boards... and shes ready to go...
Are you even serious?? lol Do you know anything about the teen niche ?!
A ton of model owned and opperated sites have become popular??? I assume you are equating popular = rich ? If not, I could care less about how popular they are, I am talking about making money.
If you think a "ton" of solo, softcore, amateur, model owned and opperated sites are making a lot of money, then start posting some examples, otherwise, sorry I won't be taking your word for it.
And I don't care how much hype it gets her, the big advertisers are not going to sent a lot of traffic to a site because it has hype here, it's all about the money. I just can't see how a small site like that will have a competitive affiliate program, and if it is a real competitive program, she will make no money then once everyone gets their cut.
I know a few more things then clickcash, thanks.
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congrats to melissa it shows girls can make it without webmaseters taking all the profitOriginally posted by xxxdesign-netComment
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This thread is a good read, I learned some interesting things hereComment
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STEVE:
Being the name already a brand, USE IT AS A BRAND MAN !
You have to start think about having a new Tawnee every year, maybe launching a public contest or something, havE your members participate, vote, make it a community event.
Give prizes, dinner with new Tawnee, etc..
Man, I am already giving to much advice for free :-)
Examples of brand names :
007, Charlie's Angels, Miss America.
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A huge thread full of people missing the the very, very basic points and reasons for starting the thread.
Looks like the dumb bitch has shafted herself. Sometimes it's the only way people learn though.Ignorance is never bliss.
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lots of great advice, tho Tawnee beeing the bitch she is would be havok havin g a dinner with a affiliate..Originally posted by PraguerComment
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I smell fake...well planned drama..get ready for TAWNEESTONEXXX.COM or something like that
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Wow don't have time to read all 12 pages. But basically my opinion is she should have waited to complete school and find a long term income source before buying a house!!!!! Let me guess, it is a sweet pad and she has a nice car to drive.
If I was a 18yr old teen net sensation (softcore to boot) I would have stuck all my earnings into something that would make me money for the rest of my life. Like school and a retirement account.
4yrs of work she probably earned around $250k. Now she is bitching because she can't afford her house.
Steve let her get the taste of the real life and in a year when your unreleased content is drying up she will be back begging to shoot that $25k POV.
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