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  • ~Ray
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    • Jun 2003
    • 18361
    #151
    Originally posted by Kimmykim
    Thud. Thud. Thud.

    Those are the giant sounds of Microsoft's footfalls as they are coming for you, xxweakling.
    You have a nice sense of humor...
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      • Kimmykim
        bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
        • Jun 2001
        • 16015
        #152
        Originally posted by AdvertisingSex


        You have a nice sense of humor...
        Why thank you sir.

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          • ezmanga
            Registered User
            • Jun 2003
            • 6
            #153
            Originally posted by SleazyDream


            i've noticed that you're slandering spotbrokers.
            You mean libel.

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              • Kimmykim
                bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                • Jun 2001
                • 16015
                #154
                Originally posted by ezmanga
                You mean libel.
                nevermind is back?

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                  • psyko514
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                    • Oct 2002
                    • 22366
                    #155
                    Originally posted by ezmanga
                    You mean libel.
                    great first post, dickwad.

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                      • eroswebmaster
                        March 1st, 2003
                        • Jul 2001
                        • 20295
                        #156
                        Originally posted by ezmanga
                        You mean libel.
                        LOL either way it's wrong.

                        I did not libel or slander anyone in this thread

                        If I'm proven wrong like I stated before I will be more than happy to apologize.
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                          • ezmanga
                            Registered User
                            • Jun 2003
                            • 6
                            #157
                            Originally posted by psyko514


                            great first post, dickwad.
                            Always a pleasure .

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                              • Kimmykim
                                bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                • Jun 2001
                                • 16015
                                #158
                                Originally posted by psyko514


                                great first post, dickwad.
                                That's not her first post or her first name.

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                                  • ezmanga
                                    Registered User
                                    • Jun 2003
                                    • 6
                                    #159
                                    wuh?

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                                      • CDSmith
                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                        • May 2001
                                        • 51460
                                        #160
                                        Originally posted by xxweekxx
                                        where have you been? that host went down a while ago.
                                        And you were spamming it a while ago. What's your point?
                                        Originally posted by xxweekxx
                                        Umm i DO NOT HAVE ANY REASON to do biz with you.
                                        Being a spammer, no, I should think you and I wouldn't have any common business interests. You've definitely limped onto the wrong board trying to extoll the virtues of spamming. Now that you've disclosed that detail you are pretty much a joke.
                                        Originally posted by xxweekxx
                                        Actually many of the big playas here touch my signups which i send them daily.
                                        Hopefully some will see this thread, look up your account and delete you without pay and with no notice, as per the TOS of most sponsors saying NO SPAMMING. Asshole.
                                        Originally posted by xxweekxx
                                        I couldnt care less about you.
                                        Assholes like you generally always hate me.



                                        By the way, weren't you the dipshit on the other thread talking about how you were going to send 150k a day to spotbrokers "but now you're not"??? ha ha... what makes you think Backov & Kimmykim are buy shitty spam traffic? I would hazard a guess that you'd have been canned the first day anyway. Like I said, you're a joke. Period.
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                                          • CDSmith
                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                            • May 2001
                                            • 51460
                                            #161
                                            Originally posted by Kimmykim
                                            You Canadian boys are just trying to get me over the border arent you ;)

                                            Um, which pics are you referring to lol ;)
                                            Bend you over the border? I'd love to :D


                                            The pics Oliver took of you, of course. Why? are there others?


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                                              • Kimmykim
                                                bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                                • Jun 2001
                                                • 16015
                                                #162
                                                Originally posted by ezmanga
                                                wuh?
                                                Oh please, my 12 year old does a better who me when he's guilty.

                                                CDSmith, I don't know anything about a CD of images that Oliver sent me, what are you talking about

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                                                  • ezmanga
                                                    Registered User
                                                    • Jun 2003
                                                    • 6
                                                    #163
                                                    Originally posted by Kimmykim

                                                    Oh please, my 12 year old does a better who me when he's guilty.
                                                    Suit yourself .

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                                                      • d0se
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Jul 2002
                                                        • 1225
                                                        #164
                                                        mo drama?
                                                        <a href="http://www.swoit.com/_7075fcffae0c1be1a35492ee5bbfaae3/1"><img src="http://www.swoit.com/_7075fcffae0c1be1aab68e286ae87b30/1" border="0" width="120" height="60"></img></a>

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                                                          • ezmanga
                                                            Registered User
                                                            • Jun 2003
                                                            • 6
                                                            #165
                                                            Originally posted by d0se
                                                            mo drama?
                                                            Not really. Just a case of mistaken identity.

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                                                              • Kimmykim
                                                                bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                                                • Jun 2001
                                                                • 16015
                                                                #166
                                                                Originally posted by ezmanga
                                                                Suit yourself .
                                                                I always do.

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                                                                  • EasyPic
                                                                    Registered User
                                                                    • Nov 2001
                                                                    • 50
                                                                    #167
                                                                    Kimmy, could you please answer me on ICQ.

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                                                                      • Ironhorse
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                                                                        • Nov 2002
                                                                        • 7094
                                                                        #168
                                                                        Wow, look at all the fun you miss when you're working..
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                                                                          • CDSmith
                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                            • May 2001
                                                                            • 51460
                                                                            #169
                                                                            Originally posted by Kimmykim
                                                                            CDSmith, I don't know anything about a CD of images that Oliver sent me, what are you talking about
                                                                            Who said anything about a CD of images? I'm talking about that little trip you took to the coast a few months back where Oliver & company took a bunch of pics of you (some of which were reportedly nekkid ones).

                                                                            Do I HAVE to dig up the thread and find those pics???



                                                                            Anyway, there is no story, I was just fantasizing a little...... okay a lot. You're giving me a hard time, and as usual..... I like it.
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                                                                              • CDSmith
                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                • May 2001
                                                                                • 51460
                                                                                #170
                                                                                K, here's one of those "Oliver" pics from another thread....

                                                                                Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                                                <img src=http://bootybone.com/gfy/kk.jpg>
                                                                                See? I'm not going senile :D



                                                                                Looking damn good by the way.
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                                                                                  • 12clicks
                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                                    • 19814
                                                                                    #171
                                                                                    Originally posted by eroswebmaster
                                                                                    I will say it just 1 more time.

                                                                                    I'm not on either side of this battle and have 0 vested interest except for how this business operates.

                                                                                    Not another business would think about accusing a vendor of "cheating," stop payment on checks and not expect to have to show proof.

                                                                                    If you pulled this in the brick and mortar world you'd have collection agencies on your ass, your credit could be ruined, and your ass taken to court, who knows maybe even criminal charges of fraud could be levied.

                                                                                    But when this occurs it always seems to occur to a webmaster who would be wise just to chalk it up as a loss or suffer the expenses of a long trip to America to fight a battle that could be strung out for a good long while.

                                                                                    A money program might win the financial battle, but it does not mean they would have necessarily proven their case in court.

                                                                                    I hate cheaters as much as anyone, but honestly I can't wait until some of these companies get checked in court on what is their standard operating procedure.

                                                                                    Sure cheaters deserve to be punished, but there has to be some procedures in place to make sure that neither side will abuse what we all value, and that is trust.
                                                                                    I guess it never occured to you to wonder why there has NEVER been a court case after a thief says a program cheated them.
                                                                                    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                      • eroswebmaster
                                                                                        March 1st, 2003
                                                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                                                        • 20295
                                                                                        #172
                                                                                        Originally posted by 12clicks


                                                                                        I guess it never occured to you to wonder why there has NEVER been a court case after a thief says a program cheated them.
                                                                                        I've stated a couple of possible reasons all throughout this thread.

                                                                                        Mainly it breaks down to financial feasability.

                                                                                        Depending upon how much it's all over, their location etc.

                                                                                        If a guy is just a small time webmaster from europe why even attempt it?

                                                                                        The travel costs alone while trying to fight for what could be a small claim could bankrupt them alone.

                                                                                        Even if they sued for damages and the costs involved it could be strung out long enough whether that is 6 months or 6 years that once again it just would not be financially feasible for someone to fight it.


                                                                                        But to sum it up yet once again.

                                                                                        I hate cheaters, no I am not accusing spotbrokers of ripping anyone off.

                                                                                        I just do not like the idea that a sponsor can wield so much power based solely on their word.

                                                                                        This leaves room for abuse from less ethical sponsors.
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                                                                                          • 12clicks
                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                                                            • 19814
                                                                                            #173
                                                                                            Originally posted by eroswebmaster



                                                                                            I just do not like the idea that a sponsor can wield so much power based solely on their word.

                                                                                            This leaves room for abuse from less ethical sponsors.
                                                                                            It leaves room for very little abuse. How much do you really think a sponsor could make by cheating webmasters? say your average operator pulls down 500k a year.
                                                                                            You understand he'd have to cheat 20,000 webmasters out of an average of 25 dollars to achieve that, right?
                                                                                            say its only 250k, that's still 10,000 webmasters.
                                                                                            say its 250k and they're cheated out of 50 bucks, thats still 5000 webmasters
                                                                                            There is no mathematical formula that shows cheating webmasters makes operators money.
                                                                                            ESPECIALLY as a broker. you NEED traffic to sell. Cutting off a supplier of traffic is the last thing a broker wants to do.
                                                                                            do you really think its worth it to cheat a webmaster once instead of selling his traffic for years?

                                                                                            you guys just never understand the logic of business.
                                                                                            I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                              • eroswebmaster
                                                                                                March 1st, 2003
                                                                                                • Jul 2001
                                                                                                • 20295
                                                                                                #174
                                                                                                Originally posted by 12clicks


                                                                                                ESPECIALLY as a broker. you NEED traffic to sell. Cutting off a supplier of traffic is the last thing a broker wants to do.
                                                                                                do you really think its worth it to cheat a webmaster once instead of selling his traffic for years?

                                                                                                you guys just never understand the logic of business.
                                                                                                There's been more than a couple of cases where so called bannerless free hosts pulled this kind of shit.

                                                                                                They offer up free web space without banners, and after a couple of months of submissions boom redirect everything.

                                                                                                I don't think it's worth it for anyone to cheat another person PERIOD.

                                                                                                Rarely has the short term worked out over the long term.

                                                                                                I understand where you traffic brokers are coming from, but I also understand where the little guy is coming from.

                                                                                                I personally would not like anyone just deciding to keep my hard earned checks just because they claim they have proof of my cheating...hell for any reason.

                                                                                                I would wager you would feel the same way.

                                                                                                It all boils down to NO ONE here is INFALLIBLE. We all make mistakes.

                                                                                                Kimmykim on the other thread even posted about how she went round and round with another traffic broker who termed a webmaster for "cheating."

                                                                                                They wanted her to stop using that webmaster, but after I think she claimed 14 emails it was proven that it was all a MISTAKE.

                                                                                                What if...and it's a big what if that is the case here.
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                                                                                                  • FlyingIguana
                                                                                                    aspiring banker
                                                                                                    • Mar 2002
                                                                                                    • 10870
                                                                                                    #175
                                                                                                    Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                                    The real proof lies in the fact that it is not in spotbroker's (or any service-type company's) best interest to can their clients unless they have absolute proof that such an extreme action is necessary. Period.



                                                                                                    And for the record, if I found someone cheating any program of mine in some way, I would instantly discontinue their account as well, and I'll be damned if someone like xxweaklingxx or bitch would be trying to demand I prove it. For one, they're not in a position to demand shit, and for another, it isn't in Kimmy's or Backov's interest to lie about it.



                                                                                                    In run's case the choices are simple: See a lawyer, keep crying on the board, or shut the hell up. Can anyone think of a fourth choice for run?
                                                                                                    i was canned by traffic cash and i asked for proof. got hung up on by some woman and then got someone else to check into it when i called back. over 6 months later i get told i didn't spam and to sign up for another account. i'm still waiting for the cheque.

                                                                                                    if you're canned you should be told why. if there's proof then just show it to them and tell them to fuck off. simple isn't it? but i guess it would be a problem to show proof when its not there.

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                                                                                                      • Reak
                                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                                                                        • 17920
                                                                                                        #176
                                                                                                        Originally posted by FlyingIguana


                                                                                                        i was canned by traffic cash and i asked for proof. got hung up on by some woman and then got someone else to check into it when i called back. over 6 months later i get told i didn't spam and to sign up for another account. i'm still waiting for the cheque.

                                                                                                        if you're canned you should be told why. if there's proof then just show it to them and tell them to fuck off. simple isn't it? but i guess it would be a problem to show proof when its not there.
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                                                                                                          • CDSmith
                                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                            • May 2001
                                                                                                            • 51460
                                                                                                            #177
                                                                                                            Originally posted by FlyingIguana
                                                                                                            if you're canned you should be told why. if there's proof then just show it to them and tell them to fuck off. simple isn't it? but i guess it would be a problem to show proof when its not there.
                                                                                                            It's been said a dozen times since yesterday.... it is not in spotbroker's best interest to disclose how they were cheated. It is not in their best interest to can their clients for no reason either, nor is it in their best interest to cheat webmasters out of moneys owed.



                                                                                                            why not go fire up your own per-click program, then come back here in six months and let us know how your tune has changed?
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                                                                                                              • Theo
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                                                                                                                • May 2001
                                                                                                                • 34515
                                                                                                                #178
                                                                                                                what a mess....i'll post few things and I'm sure they'll be sadly proved in the near future.

                                                                                                                Regarding run's event, I want to believe he is not responsible for it, but probably some of his friends. Honestly I doubt there is a single possibility spotbrokers to cancel someone's account with no reason. That's not how running a profitable, trustworthy and successful business works and both KK and Backov know that.

                                                                                                                Who to trust and who not to trust? Jeez, these days is hard to trust anyone. Friends scam friends, partners scam partners and so on.

                                                                                                                Currently, there's technology available that is near impossible to be identified and can pass clicks in many levels, not only to trading scripts, but to pcc sponsors etc. It's not just a software, it's more than that. I'm 100% sure, some of the big trading sites already receive this kind of traffic and most of them will never realise it. I won't go in details.

                                                                                                                It's the worst period for the ones running trading sites and ppc sponsors. I don't run any trading sites, so I do not know the degree of the problem at the moment. My prediction is that things will go very ugly and all honest webmasters will be affected bad.
                                                                                                                Last edited by Theo; 06-26-2003, 08:01 AM.

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                                                                                                                  • 12clicks
                                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                    • 19814
                                                                                                                    #179
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by eroswebmaster



                                                                                                                    I understand where you traffic brokers are coming from, but I also understand where the little guy is coming from.
                                                                                                                    you either forget or don't remember that I started out as a little guy. I know what its like to be on both sides.

                                                                                                                    Originally posted by eroswebmaster
                                                                                                                    I personally would not like anyone just deciding to keep my hard earned checks just because they claim they have proof of my cheating...hell for any reason.
                                                                                                                    see, that's what you're not getting. No one is going to do that to YOU. YOU aren't cheating. there are many times when I've shown the group proof of some asshole cheating.
                                                                                                                    Backov explained what was going on and I agree that *this* time, the group doesn't need to know.
                                                                                                                    Now if you want to go on questioning Kimmy and Backov and my support of them means nothing, than I guess you'll just have to go on wondering this time.

                                                                                                                    Originally posted by eroswebmaster


                                                                                                                    It all boils down to NO ONE here is INFALLIBLE. We all make mistakes.
                                                                                                                    You're still on the outside wondering what is going on. From my vantage point, there is no question of what went on.


                                                                                                                    Originally posted by eroswebmaster
                                                                                                                    Kimmykim on the other thread even posted about how she went round and round with another traffic broker who termed a webmaster for "cheating."

                                                                                                                    They wanted her to stop using that webmaster, but after I think she claimed 14 emails it was proven that it was all a MISTAKE.

                                                                                                                    What if...and it's a big what if that is the case here.
                                                                                                                    No it isn't.
                                                                                                                    I'm completly satisfied.
                                                                                                                    Don't you think that thru my support of KK in this thread my own rep is not on the line?
                                                                                                                    If I thought she was wrong, I would just sit back and keep my mouth shut.
                                                                                                                    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                      • FlyingIguana
                                                                                                                        aspiring banker
                                                                                                                        • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                        • 10870
                                                                                                                        #180
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                                                        It's been said a dozen times since yesterday.... it is not in spotbroker's best interest to disclose how they were cheated. It is not in their best interest to can their clients for no reason either, nor is it in their best interest to cheat webmasters out of moneys owed.



                                                                                                                        why not go fire up your own per-click program, then come back here in six months and let us know how your tune has changed?
                                                                                                                        ok i can agree with that, but if you can't provide proof then the person should be paid because they didn't cheat. my tune won't change, just because there's cheaters out there that doesn't mean you should rip off honest webmasters.

                                                                                                                        now i don't know anything about this spotbrokers incident, but there should be proof that th webmaster cheated. if i get told i cheated i would want proof because something is not right.

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                                                                                                                          • 12clicks
                                                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                            • 19814
                                                                                                                            #181
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by FlyingIguana


                                                                                                                            ok i can agree with that, but if you can't provide proof then the person should be paid because they didn't cheat. my tune won't change, just because there's cheaters out there that doesn't mean you should rip off honest webmasters.

                                                                                                                            now i don't know anything about this spotbrokers incident, but there should be proof that th webmaster cheated. if i get told i cheated i would want proof because something is not right.
                                                                                                                            did you not read any of this thread?
                                                                                                                            I was shown the proof.
                                                                                                                            I can be trusted with the knowledge of how they did it.
                                                                                                                            The fact that no one wants to give YOU the proof really doesn't matter.
                                                                                                                            I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                              • eroswebmaster
                                                                                                                                March 1st, 2003
                                                                                                                                • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                • 20295
                                                                                                                                #182
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by 12clicks

                                                                                                                                No it isn't.
                                                                                                                                I'm completly satisfied.
                                                                                                                                Don't you think that thru my support of KK in this thread my own rep is not on the line?
                                                                                                                                If I thought she was wrong, I would just sit back and keep my mouth shut.

                                                                                                                                My posts really aren't even directed at this affair here, I am only using it to post how I feel about all these situations in general.

                                                                                                                                I have even posted in this thread that they more than likely have proof, I trust them, and would trust them with my money in a business transaction, but I just do not like the fact that ANY sponsor or program could easily keep someone's money by just claiming they cheat.

                                                                                                                                That is all.
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                                                                                                                                  • JamesK
                                                                                                                                    hi
                                                                                                                                    • Jun 2002
                                                                                                                                    • 16731
                                                                                                                                    #183
                                                                                                                                    they are not cheaters, but there traffic is shit
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                                                                                                                                      • sandman!
                                                                                                                                        Icq: 14420613
                                                                                                                                        • Mar 2001
                                                                                                                                        • 15427
                                                                                                                                        #184
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                        Spotbrokers are NOT cheaters.

                                                                                                                                        I say AGIAN

                                                                                                                                        SPOTBROKERS ARE NOT CHEATERS.

                                                                                                                                        I know BOTH Kimmykim and Backov Personally. They are STAND UP PEOPLE. I STAND BEHIND THEM 10000000%

                                                                                                                                        None of these fucking supposed cheating assholes will ever show their faces at a convention. WHY - cause they are cheating theives. PERIOD. it's rare to find a webmaster event that kimmykim or backov havn't been to. WHY is that? Cause they havn't cheated ANYONE and arn't AFRAID to show their faces in public. it's that simple.

                                                                                                                                        Spotbrokers in reality is a competator of mine - as my main business is selling ad space and galleries on sleazydream. So ask yourself this - whyt he hell would I invite the two of them to my TGP VIP parties? (and I'm VERY picky about who I invite)- the answer is simple. They are a class act, through and through. They arn't out to steal my business, and I trust them.
                                                                                                                                        STRONG WORDS from a COMPETATOR.


                                                                                                                                        Spotbrokers is also SMART ENOUGH to know when someone is CHEATING THEM. GUESS WHAT Cheaters - they CAUGHT YOU. Spotbrokers should send you a bill for wasting their time and trying to defraud them. And anyone who deals with these cheaters should know that from this day on it will be a LOT more difficult to get good trades if you continue to support THEIVES. Know that if they are cheating spotbrokers then they are 100% for sure also cheating you on your trades.
                                                                                                                                        You consider this post solid proof?

                                                                                                                                        Bullshit
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                                                                                                                                          • 12clicks
                                                                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                            • 19814
                                                                                                                                            #185
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by eroswebmaster

                                                                                                                                            I just do not like the fact that ANY sponsor or program could easily keep someone's money by just claiming they cheat.

                                                                                                                                            That is all.
                                                                                                                                            I feel just as strongly about ANY webmaster who could easily keep someone's money by just cheating.
                                                                                                                                            I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                                              • FlyingIguana
                                                                                                                                                aspiring banker
                                                                                                                                                • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                                                • 10870
                                                                                                                                                #186
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by 12clicks

                                                                                                                                                did you not read any of this thread?
                                                                                                                                                I was shown the proof.
                                                                                                                                                I can be trusted with the knowledge of how they did it.
                                                                                                                                                The fact that no one wants to give YOU the proof really doesn't matter.
                                                                                                                                                no i haven't looked over this thread. i was replying to what cdsmith said on the first page

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                                                                                                                                                  • eroswebmaster
                                                                                                                                                    March 1st, 2003
                                                                                                                                                    • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                    • 20295
                                                                                                                                                    #187
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by 12clicks


                                                                                                                                                    I feel just as strongly about ANY webmaster who could easily keep someone's money by just cheating.
                                                                                                                                                    I understand, and I appreciate the fact that you debated this without all the drama a few others tossed in last night ;)
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                                                                                                                                                      • Groove
                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                                        • 3852
                                                                                                                                                        #188
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                                                                                                                                                        Currently, there's technology available that is near impossible to be identified and can pass clicks in many levels, not only to trading scripts, but to pcc sponsors etc. It's not just a software, it's more than that. I'm 100% sure, some of the big trading sites already receive this kind of traffic and most of them will never realise it. I won't go in details.
                                                                                                                                                        Is this a rumour, or do you know this for a fact?

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                                                                                                                                                          • Theo
                                                                                                                                                            HAL 9000
                                                                                                                                                            • May 2001
                                                                                                                                                            • 34515
                                                                                                                                                            #189
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Groove


                                                                                                                                                            Is this a rumour, or do you know this for a fact?

                                                                                                                                                            Groove, it's a fact. I can't say it's the same case with run's event, since I don't know any detail, but it can be. It also explains why NOBODY will tell you how he caught you. Specially on this one because it's already near impossible to trace the problem.

                                                                                                                                                            I can explain what I mean to someone I trust and has very good technical knowledge like Lane and see what he has to comment on this.

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                                                                                                                                                              • gotys
                                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                                • 767
                                                                                                                                                                #190
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                                                Spotbrokers are NOT cheaters.

                                                                                                                                                                I say AGIAN

                                                                                                                                                                SPOTBROKERS ARE NOT CHEATERS.

                                                                                                                                                                I know BOTH Kimmykim and Backov Personally. They are STAND UP PEOPLE. I STAND BEHIND THEM 10000000%

                                                                                                                                                                None of these fucking supposed cheating assholes will ever show their faces at a convention. WHY - cause they are cheating theives. PERIOD. it's rare to find a webmaster event that kimmykim or backov havn't been to. WHY is that? Cause they havn't cheated ANYONE and arn't AFRAID to show their faces in public. it's that simple.
                                                                                                                                                                wai wai wai waiiiittt a minute here! They showed their faces in public, so they aren't cheating ? I showed my face in the public, in fact, i was the biggest buddy of Scott's over in Vegas, and now look at me.. Petr - the biggest cheater with sooooo much of hitboting traffic and sooooo many evil ways of cheating people!!! --- all according to Sleazy.
                                                                                                                                                                So I am not sure, Scott, if your cheater detection is working correctly here buddy.

                                                                                                                                                                And for the rest of you here, Sleazy is happy when he figures out how to FTP into a server and changes his html page. His traffic sources are purchased and his people skills are deadly. One day he will be your biggest friend, tommorow he will stab your back with a knife.

                                                                                                                                                                This man doesn't deserve one bit of a respect, he has not accomplished anything worth any respect other then throwing money into making his image and making his name worth something.

                                                                                                                                                                There, my 3 cents, everyone go fuck yourself.
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                                                                                                                                                                  • 12clicks
                                                                                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                                                    • 19814
                                                                                                                                                                    #191
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by gotys


                                                                                                                                                                    wai wai wai waiiiittt a minute here! They showed their faces in public, so they aren't cheating ? I showed my face in the public, in fact, i was the biggest buddy of Scott's over in Vegas, and now look at me.. Petr - the biggest cheater with sooooo much of hitboting traffic and sooooo many evil ways of cheating people!!! --- all according to Sleazy.
                                                                                                                                                                    So I am not sure, Scott, if your cheater detection is working correctly here buddy.

                                                                                                                                                                    And for the rest of you here, Sleazy is happy when he figures out how to FTP into a server and changes his html page. His traffic sources are purchased and his people skills are deadly. One day he will be your biggest friend, tommorow he will stab your back with a knife.

                                                                                                                                                                    This man doesn't deserve one bit of a respect, he has not accomplished anything worth any respect other then throwing money into making his image and making his name worth something.

                                                                                                                                                                    There, my 3 cents, everyone go fuck yourself.
                                                                                                                                                                    I already know one honest Petr, there can't possible by 2.
                                                                                                                                                                    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                                                                      • SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                                                        I'm here for SPORT
                                                                                                                                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                                        • 41470
                                                                                                                                                                        #192
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by 12clicks

                                                                                                                                                                        I already know one honest Petr, there can't possible by 2.
                                                                                                                                                                        BURNED......


                                                                                                                                                                        nice
                                                                                                                                                                        This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                                                                                                                        Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                                                                                                                          • run
                                                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                            • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                            • 59
                                                                                                                                                                            #193
                                                                                                                                                                            I think you guys have to relax, get a good whisky shot and GET YOUR ASSES BACK TO WORK instead of wasting time here.

                                                                                                                                                                            First of all, SleazyDream, you do not need to start 10 new topics on the same subject just because YOU want to say YOUR very important word. Your move to me looks like an attempt to gain more attention for nothing, and I find it pathetic.

                                                                                                                                                                            Second thing is, and please note it, I NEVER CALLED SPOTBROKERS CHEATERS. Read all my posts and tell me where I said that. If anyone called them cheaters, he did it at his own judgement.

                                                                                                                                                                            I started the topic because of the way I was treated and because they insulted me with their attitude. I wanted to show webmasters that attitude, and I have done it very well. They had shown disrespect and they had lost money because of that. You live and learn...

                                                                                                                                                                            This will probably be one of my last posts on this subject. So here is my summary if anybody wants to know it:

                                                                                                                                                                            Did I cheat spotbrokers? No

                                                                                                                                                                            Did I like what they did to me? No

                                                                                                                                                                            Do I think they are cheaters? No, I just think they made a mistake. I think they had to come to me and try to find out where bad traffic comes from. Again, you live and learn.

                                                                                                                                                                            As for myself: trust me, I will survive, and I will stay in bussiness without spotbrokers. Adult sites is only a hobby to me, I make money from other things these days.

                                                                                                                                                                            As for my reputation: I always had a good one, and I always will. Spotbrokers have no power to alter my rep. I have built it by providing good support to my clients and friends, they know that I'm honest, and that is all that matters to me.

                                                                                                                                                                            12clicks I like what you do, I just don't like your way of doing it. Some people just don't know where the limits are, and you are one of them. There is a zillion ways to say the same thing, and you will always pick the most ugly one. Most probably you got too much beating when you were a kid, and now you bash people just because they are smaller than you. Get yourself a vacation, you desperately need it.

                                                                                                                                                                            By the way, if I finish building my house in July and get some free time, I might try to make it to the show. Who knows, maybe I will meet some of you face to face. I am wondering how many of you would dear to accuse me of cheating when standing in front of me.

                                                                                                                                                                            And by the way, I bought myself a nice sports BMW with 5L engine and 300 HP couple of days back. Trust me, life is still beautiful even if spotbrokers don't pay me I already forgot about them.

                                                                                                                                                                            Everybody have a good day

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                                                                                                                                                                              • 12clicks
                                                                                                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                • 19814
                                                                                                                                                                                #194
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by run
                                                                                                                                                                                I think you guys have to relax, get a good whisky shot and GET YOUR ASSES BACK TO WORK instead of wasting time here.

                                                                                                                                                                                First of all, SleazyDream, you do not need to start 10 new topics on the same subject just because YOU want to say YOUR very important word. Your move to me looks like an attempt to gain more attention for nothing, and I find it pathetic.

                                                                                                                                                                                Second thing is, and please note it, I NEVER CALLED SPOTBROKERS CHEATERS. Read all my posts and tell me where I said that. If anyone called them cheaters, he did it at his own judgement.

                                                                                                                                                                                I started the topic because of the way I was treated and because they insulted me with their attitude. I wanted to show webmasters that attitude, and I have done it very well. They had shown disrespect and they had lost money because of that. You live and learn...

                                                                                                                                                                                This will probably be one of my last posts on this subject. So here is my summary if anybody wants to know it:

                                                                                                                                                                                Did I cheat spotbrokers? No

                                                                                                                                                                                Did I like what they did to me? No

                                                                                                                                                                                Do I think they are cheaters? No, I just think they made a mistake. I think they had to come to me and try to find out where bad traffic comes from. Again, you live and learn.

                                                                                                                                                                                As for myself: trust me, I will survive, and I will stay in bussiness without spotbrokers. Adult sites is only a hobby to me, I make money from other things these days.

                                                                                                                                                                                As for my reputation: I always had a good one, and I always will. Spotbrokers have no power to alter my rep. I have built it by providing good support to my clients and friends, they know that I'm honest, and that is all that matters to me.

                                                                                                                                                                                12clicks I like what you do, I just don't like your way of doing it. Some people just don't know where the limits are, and you are one of them. There is a zillion ways to say the same thing, and you will always pick the most ugly one. Most probably you got too much beating when you were a kid, and now you bash people just because they are smaller than you. Get yourself a vacation, you desperately need it.

                                                                                                                                                                                By the way, if I finish building my house in July and get some free time, I might try to make it to the show. Who knows, maybe I will meet some of you face to face. I am wondering how many of you would dear to accuse me of cheating when standing in front of me.

                                                                                                                                                                                And by the way, I bought myself a nice sports BMW with 5L engine and 300 HP couple of days back. Trust me, life is still beautiful even if spotbrokers don't pay me I already forgot about them.

                                                                                                                                                                                Everybody have a good day
                                                                                                                                                                                I can't hear you thief. speak louder.
                                                                                                                                                                                I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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