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  • The Porn Nerd
    Living The Dream
    • Jun 2009
    • 19780

    #1

    Ads On Websites and Surfer Perceptions

    For years now I have NOT had ads on my paysite network of 32 adult websites called Porn Nerd Network (PNN). You know the kinds of ads I mean: cams, dating, penis pills, those 'Better Than Craig's List" and Flash-type Brazzers ads and, of course, the dreaded pop-ups (or pop-unders). I was so proud of myself, not being like all those "other websites" where the advertising is either so overwhelming as to induce seizures (all that LFASHING) or redundant (ads you see everywhere). My sites were "clean", with a single purpose in mind: sell the Membership.

    Besides, don't affiliates GO APESHIT over "traffic leaks"? Even if that traffic leak is a necassary traffic trade via a recip link? Yup - NO TRAFFIC LEAKS. Also affs wouldn't get a cut of the revenue generated by ads so it's really not fair...

    This was always my thinking. But then I started showing my sites to surfers who gave me some interesting feedback. You see, the absence of any advertising was telling them my websites weren't "legit" (their phrase)!! They had become so used to seeing flashing ads on every porn site they visit that when they failed to see them on MY sites they thought, well, that "something must be wrong".

    The people I showed my sites to (I was at a Super Bowl party with about fifty people) were prepared to "quick click/close" a pop-up then were taken aback when no pop-ups appeared. So are ads good or bad? Good if they make you money, I do understand this basic principle. LOL But I mean even if they DON'T make you money are they worth having on your site simply for 'credibility'?
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  • Tdash
    Confirmed User
    • May 2013
    • 750

    #2
    You know things are bad when a paysite uses or contemplates using generic garbage ads.
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    • The Porn Nerd
      Living The Dream
      • Jun 2009
      • 19780

      #3
      Originally posted by Tdash
      You know things are bad when a paysite uses or contemplates using generic garbage ads.
      Well that's the thing: times aren't BAD, they're quite GOOD. LOL But the reaction from "non-Industry types" was very interesting. It seems (some) people expect to see ads on sites and when they don't see them they move on. Funny.
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      • Roald
        SecretFriends.com
        • May 2001
        • 27910

        #4
        Never heard that before.

        Generic tube ads have no room on paysites.


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        • RuthB
          Let's Get Paxumized!
          • May 2005
          • 7248

          #5
          Why fix what isn't broken?

          If your sites are doing well and converting well and growing well (which I assume they must be based on the many posts I've seen you make here on GFY about your growing business) then why change it up based on the opinions of a few drunken dudes?

          Perhaps the reason you've been doing so well is partly because of the fact that you don't have any ads on your site..

          Split-testing could be your best bet if you're really doubting yourself, otherwise I think you should just stick to your original plan. It seems to be working out so far
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          • The Porn Nerd
            Living The Dream
            • Jun 2009
            • 19780

            #6
            Originally posted by Roald
            Never heard that before.

            Generic tube ads have no room on paysites.
            I agree totally - which is why I do not have them (and have never had them). It's just that the reaction from so many differant types of people wondering where all the ads were was interesting (and weird). LOL
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            • The Porn Nerd
              Living The Dream
              • Jun 2009
              • 19780

              #7
              Originally posted by RuthB
              Why fix what isn't broken?

              If your sites are doing well and converting well and growing well (which I assume they must be based on the many posts I've seen you make here on GFY about your growing business) then why change it up based on the opinions of a few drunken dudes?

              Perhaps the reason you've been doing so well is partly because of the fact that you don't have any ads on your site..

              Split-testing could be your best bet if you're really doubting yourself, otherwise I think you should just stick to your original plan. It seems to be working out so far
              OK the voice of reason has no place here on GFY! LOL

              But thank you, I was considering this, too. Being a bit isolated (as many webmasters are, spending hours in front of a monitor) it's easy to lose perspective. I don't often run into people who view my websites, not in person, so the feedback was interesting.

              Interesting enough to change? Probably not but was wondering what others' experiences were as far as ads, etc. I still feel like it would split the focus of the very point of a paysite: to sell Memberships, not dating or cams.
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              • Wellness Cash
                Confirmed User
                • Nov 2013
                • 343

                #8
                Originally posted by RuthB
                based on the opinions of a few drunken dudes?
                Maybe because a 'few drunken dudes' is a small sampling of most paysites traffic base?

                I would imagine at night and weekends when most signups happen, that a lot of the guys signing up to paysites have had a few drinks and are bored and horny sitting at home.
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                • Wellness Cash
                  Confirmed User
                  • Nov 2013
                  • 343

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Roald
                  Never heard that before.

                  Generic tube ads have no room on paysites.
                  A couple of my buddies said similar stuff when I showed them a few of my adult sites.

                  'where are the ads'
                  'how do you make money'
                  'doesn't seem legit'

                  I don't know if they thought I was showing them free sites or paysites but they were definitely presented in a 'you have to pay to see the pink' scenario.
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                  • Bryce_FFN
                    Registered User
                    • May 2011
                    • 42

                    #10
                    Hey PornNerd-

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                    • Mickey_
                      • Nov 2005
                      • 4238

                      #11
                      Chances are a large percentage of your membership base uses the services you mention (cams, dating, interactive porn, etc.) regardless of whether you have them in your members areas or not. Why not have them buy and use these services through a reseller they already know and trust?

                      In addition to the obvious benefit of generating backend revenue for the merchant (you) that you can then spend on growing your business or run promotions for affiliates, etc., it also validates your network as a well-established 'adult supermarket' (i.e. making it appear more legit)

                      p.s. Ads for upsells in your members areas don't have to look ugly.
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                      • InfoGuy
                        80/20 Rule
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 3052

                        #12
                        Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                        The people I showed my sites to (I was at a Super Bowl party with about fifty people) were prepared to "quick click/close" a pop-up then were taken aback when no pop-ups appeared. So are ads good or bad? Good if they make you money, I do understand this basic principle. LOL But I mean even if they DON'T make you money are they worth having on your site simply for 'credibility'?
                        Do these people actually visit paysites or just tubes?
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                        • Magnetron
                          Lord High Groundhog
                          • Jun 2013
                          • 1841

                          #13
                          Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                          The people I showed my sites to (I was at a Super Bowl party with about fifty people) were prepared to "quick click/close" a pop-up then were taken aback when no pop-ups appeared. So are ads good or bad? Good if they make you money, I do understand this basic principle. LOL But I mean even if they DON'T make you money are they worth having on your site simply for 'credibility'?
                          How many of those people were women and what were their reactions compared to the men?
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                          • The Porn Nerd
                            Living The Dream
                            • Jun 2009
                            • 19780

                            #14
                            Originally posted by InfoGuy
                            Do these people actually visit paysites or just tubes?
                            Good question. Most of them did not make a distinction, saying "I go to porn sites" but when I asked "which ones?" I got both tubes and paysites as answers (and a TGP thrown in there, too).

                            I think the lines are being blurred between tubes, paysites, "porn" in general, which is part of the problem maybe.

                            Originally posted by Magnetron
                            How many of those people were women and what were their reactions compared to the men?
                            There were about 20 people who sat down and checked out the sites. 15 were guys and 4 were women. The reactions to the content was differant and interesting: guys drooled while the girls smiled, some shook their head, but none of them went wild. The guys? "Oh that's hot!" and "I wanna fuck HER!" kind of responses. LOL
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                            • Magnetron
                              Lord High Groundhog
                              • Jun 2013
                              • 1841

                              #15
                              Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                              There were about 20 people who sat down and checked out the sites. 15 were guys and 4 were women. The reactions to the content was differant and interesting: guys drooled while the girls smiled, some shook their head, but none of them went wild. The guys? "Oh that's hot!" and "I wanna fuck HER!" kind of responses. LOL
                              Now imagine the reactions of those same women if you had those "frathouse" style ads.
                              .
                              Approach the mirrored reflection saying his name three times : "Butcher .... Butcher .... Butcher ....."
                              and wait to see if this Bogeyman urban legend manifests in the background, looming over shoulder
                              While your neighbors were busy killing off everyone in the neighborhood
                              with your own butcher knife in hand concealed behind your back
                              you stood for
                              ever before the window saying
                              nothing

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                              • iwantchixx
                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                • Oct 2002
                                • 12860

                                #16
                                Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                Well that's the thing: times aren't BAD, they're quite GOOD. LOL But the reaction from "non-Industry types" was very interesting. It seems (some) people expect to see ads on sites and when they don't see them they move on. Funny.
                                I can kinda see the reasoning, it probably just looks like one big fake page with no content when they don't see supplemental ads.

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                                • iwantchixx
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Oct 2002
                                  • 12860

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                  Good question. Most of them did not make a distinction, saying "I go to porn sites" but when I asked "which ones?" I got both tubes and paysites as answers (and a TGP thrown in there, too).

                                  I think the lines are being blurred between tubes, paysites, "porn" in general, which is part of the problem maybe.



                                  There were about 20 people who sat down and checked out the sites. 15 were guys and 4 were women. The reactions to the content was differant and interesting: guys drooled while the girls smiled, some shook their head, but none of them went wild. The guys? "Oh that's hot!" and "I wanna fuck HER!" kind of responses. LOL
                                  I don't think that general users know the difference between paysites and tubes because most tubes/tgps/etc offer more content than paysites themselves do. Also, most big tubes have pay options to get rid of ads, so the lines are blurred there, too. When landing at a paysite join page, I believe most users are shocked they have to pay to see more than 3min trailers.

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                                  • Va2k
                                    I’m still alive barley.
                                    • Oct 2001
                                    • 10060

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by RuthB
                                    Why fix what isn't broken?

                                    If your sites are doing well and converting well and growing well (which I assume they must be based on the many posts I've seen you make here on GFY about your growing business) then why change it up based on the opinions of a few drunken dudes?

                                    Perhaps the reason you've been doing so well is partly because of the fact that you don't have any ads on your site..

                                    Split-testing could be your best bet if you're really doubting yourself, otherwise I think you should just stick to your original plan. It seems to be working out so far
                                    Do as Ruth suggested Do A/B Type testing "Split-testing could be your best bet" Try that then come back here if you don't mind and let us know what that did! Thanks
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                                    • Roald
                                      SecretFriends.com
                                      • May 2001
                                      • 27910

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Mickey_
                                      Chances are a large percentage of your membership base uses the services you mention (cams, dating, interactive porn, etc.) regardless of whether you have them in your members areas or not. Why not have them buy and use these services through a reseller they already know and trust?

                                      In addition to the obvious benefit of generating backend revenue for the merchant (you) that you can then spend on growing your business or run promotions for affiliates, etc., it also validates your network as a well-established 'adult supermarket' (i.e. making it appear more legit)

                                      p.s. Ads for upsells in your members areas don't have to look ugly.
                                      Memberarea ads are fine, thought we were talking tours here?


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                                      • Mickey_
                                        • Nov 2005
                                        • 4238

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Roald
                                        Memberarea ads are fine, thought we were talking tours here?
                                        I assumed (and was referring to) members area ads/upsells.


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                                        • The Porn Nerd
                                          Living The Dream
                                          • Jun 2009
                                          • 19780

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Roald
                                          Memberarea ads are fine, thought we were talking tours here?
                                          You are right, we are discussing Tours. MAs and upsells etc are a whole differant beast. LOL

                                          What I was wondering (to your earlier point, saying correctly how tube ads have no place on paysite tours) was something like putting ads on the Tours but NOT dating, cams, etc, but rather the ads I use for my sites on tubes. In other words, ads for my other paysites. This might solve the 'credibility/where are the ads?' issue.

                                          A-B testing here I come (again)!
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