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  • Mark_E4A
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    • Apr 2003
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    #51
    Originally posted by clickhappy
    That makes sense, but then why does Google have such a huge webmasters area loaded with tools?
    They dont have to have all that.

    They could just say "fuck off" to webmasters and figure it out yourself. Why spend millions of dollars and time creating fake tools to fake out seo people?
    I would think they give you these tools so you will use them and give them a better idea what you have?

    they run a huge huge list and you would have to think they would want their searches to be as relevant as can be, with these tools, that might make it easier for them?

    they have tools yes, but they dont post their algo and what to do to get ranked, thats up to you to figure out.

    i could be completely wrong here, but... who knows but them...
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    • Rep
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      #52
      my god...
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      • Mark_E4A
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        #53
        Originally posted by Rep
        my god...
        yes? can i help you?
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        • baddog
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          #54
          This is really a stupid question without knowing the site, what it is promoting, how many others are promoting it, etc, etc.

          If you are the first promoting a product that no one else is, backlinks and content mean jack.

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          • Iron Fist
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            #55
            Originally posted by clickhappy
            Thanks
            Do you know if Wikipedia ranks high for EVERYTHING because they have a massive amount of content? or because of inbound links? or a combo of both?
            I always wondered why wikipedia ranks at the top or almost the top for almost everything.
            Because their too god damned big and the content is dynamic and their interlinked in ways I can't even imagine. If i had a few million pages all linking to my index page in one way or another, i'm sure i'd be at the top of pretty much everything too.
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            • baddog
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              #56
              Originally posted by sharphead
              Because their too god damned big and the content is dynamic and their interlinked in ways I can't even imagine. If i had a few million pages all linking to my index page in one way or another, i'm sure i'd be at the top of pretty much everything too.

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              • cheekycherry
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                #57
                fucking hell...


                I just read a business related thread on GFY.

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                • e-god
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                  #58
                  Its all about links

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                  • Barefootsies
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by hungry hungry hippy
                    and how would i do this? let me guess... give you my sites, or my keywords?

                    no thanks. i keep my strategies to myself
                    Riiiight. Insert standard SEO "expert" response.

                    You have to love the irony.

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                    • Barefootsies
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by clickhappy
                      That makes sense, but then why does Google have such a huge webmasters area loaded with tools?
                      They dont have to have all that.

                      They could just say "fuck off" to webmasters and figure it out yourself. Why spend millions of dollars and time creating fake tools to fake out seo people?
                      To keep nickel and dime webmasters pushing adsense, and thinking the G is god.

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                      • zeruel
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                        #61
                        both are important. It would always be on the person optimizing it... and the way he/she build the techniques that matters.

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                        • patryks
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                          #62
                          links , links and one more time links

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                          • Vick!
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                            #63
                            Well, its has always been a combination of different factors .. their weight just kept changing over the time. Every one knows search engines keep tweaking their shit from the day one.

                            But yeah, once factor that can dominate all others are backlinks, you can get an empty single page site ranked for literally any term if whole fucking world start linking to you (examples are ranking of adobe page, google.com and yahoo.com for totally unrelated terms "click here", "exit" etc..) . Of course its not easily possible in reality, but in case it happen .. nothing can prevent you from ranking, so what I mean is .. backlinks alone have power to dominate every other factor .. may be out-weight is better word for this? not sure.

                            The guy who is saying content is major factor, is also right ... but how? If you have some quality content (well informative article, useful tool, a big news, astonishing video etc) .. you will get ranked, because people love linking to such things from forums, their blogs and stuff ... so, backlinks are what getting you ranked again, but indirectly.
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                            • darksoul
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                              #64
                              Originally posted by Vick!
                              Well, its has always been a combination of different factors .. their weight just kept changing over the time. Every one knows search engines keep tweaking their shit from the day one.

                              But yeah, once factor that can dominate all others are backlinks, you can get an empty single page site ranked for literally any term if whole fucking world start linking to you (examples are ranking of adobe page, google.com and yahoo.com for totally unrelated terms "click here", "exit" etc..) . Of course its not easily possible in reality, but in case it happen .. nothing can prevent you from ranking, so what I mean is .. backlinks alone have power to dominate every other factor .. may be out-weight is better word for this? not sure.

                              The guy who is saying content is major factor, is also right ... but how? If you have some quality content (well informative article, useful tool, a big news, astonishing video etc) .. you will get ranked, because people love linking to such things from forums, their blogs and stuff ... so, backlinks are what getting you ranked again, but indirectly.
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                              • Vick!
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                                #65
                                Originally posted by darksoul
                                nicely put
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                                • hungry hungry hippy
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                                  #66
                                  Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                  Riiiight. Insert standard SEO "expert" response.

                                  You have to love the irony.

                                  do you honestly think any successful SEO would give you their strategies on a platter? i knew adult people were lazy and unreliable, but blatantly naive? it's a standard response for a reason, think about it

                                  content means nothing. you don't need it to rank, you may only need it when you get a handjob so g keeps you around. links is all it boils down to.

                                  then again, because i don't have 50k posts on this surfer forum and won't give you my bread and butter i know nothing, right?

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                                  • Barefootsies
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                                    #67
                                    Originally posted by hungry hungry hippy
                                    do you honestly think any successful SEO would give you their strategies on a platter? i knew adult people were lazy and unreliable, but blatantly naive? it's a standard response for a reason, think about it

                                    content means nothing. you don't need it to rank, you may only need it when you get a handjob so g keeps you around. links is all it boils down to.

                                    then again, because i don't have 50k posts on this surfer forum and won't give you my bread and butter i know nothing, right?
                                    I do not give a shit about your strategies. They obviously are laughable since you have no examples to back up your claims of being a SEO "expert".

                                    I already have 1st page listings for my keywords on the sites I care about. That said, I obviously do not need your "hot tips" . However, it's nice you keep up with all these other SEO "experts" who can make these delusions of grandeur claims, but never back them up.

                                    I believe Shoebitch did a show about you types a few weeks back. It was just as entertaining as your "expertise".

                                    They rank right up there with the weather man. Wrong most of the time, but still manage to stay employed. Classic comedy.

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                                    • Jdoughs
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                                      #68
                                      Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                      I obviously do not need your "hot tips" . However, it's nice you keep up with all these other SEO "experts" who can make these delusions of grandeur claims, but never back them up.

                                      I don't think anybody in this thread was offering you tips anyways, they were attempting to answer the posters question.

                                      This is about the 4th time in this thread you have said nobody can back up their claims to being seo masters, (allthough nobody has claimed to be one). But it seems you are the one here whose shit dont stink, and seems to think they are the only one who has a clue, which is yet to be seen.

                                      How about you back up your mouth, and show us some results? Or are you just here to bash everybody who offers some answers, and ask everyone else to back up with serps?

                                      Let's see some of yours. Remember how you answered the people who didnt want to post results here, im sure thats the same answer we will get from you also.
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                                      • hungry hungry hippy
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                                        #69
                                        Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                        I do not give a shit about your strategies. They obviously are laughable since you have no examples to back up your claims of being a SEO "expert".
                                        read my post again bud

                                        Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                        I already have 1st page listings for my keywords on the sites I care about. That said, I obviously do not need your "hot tips" . However, it's nice you keep up with all these other SEO "experts" who can make these delusions of grandeur claims, but never back them up.
                                        how about you list those keywords and sites since you make a big fuss about backing up with examples? you seem to be the only one in this thread out to prove anything in terms of being an expert or not. so put your money where your mouth is and show us. that way i can dig into your strategy, and teach you a lesson about why SEO's never give examples if they want to keep their strategies successful

                                        Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                        I believe Shoebitch did a show about you types a few weeks back. It was just as entertaining as your "expertise".
                                        watch out, shoe might send you a c&d for making fun of his fat ass. he's a fucking joke.

                                        i'm eagerly waiting for your list of keywords and sites but i have a feeling you won't..

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                                        • Jdoughs
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                                          #70
                                          Originally posted by hungry hungry hippy
                                          i'm eagerly waiting for your list of keywords and sites but i have a feeling you won't..
                                          Give him a few mins, may take a bit to type out all those 6 word keyterms.
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                                          • Barefootsies
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                                            #71
                                            Originally posted by hungry hungry hippy
                                            i'm eagerly waiting for your list of keywords and sites
                                            Ah yes. Another SEO consultant classic. The ole, "show me yours, and I'll not show you mine".



                                            Funny. You SEO's come in. Make claims. Never can back up anything, then try and pull this trick. It's hilarious how predictable you guys are, and why most just laugh at the concept of an "SEO expert".

                                            As I said, pure comedy.
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                                            • Barefootsies
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                                              #72
                                              Originally posted by Jdoughs
                                              they were attempting to answer the posters question.
                                              Same as I was sport. Now refer back to (your) post 20.

                                              Now to your other post.

                                              I've explained what has worked for ME. I do not do SEO. As I have stated multiple times. I also do not do link building, and haven't for years.

                                              However many claim this is the most important. Hence the original question posed in this thread.

                                              Furthermore, you might want to reread the thread in it's entirety ace. I posted my experiences, and then was greeted with this..

                                              Originally Posted by Shaze View Post
                                              wow...not too sound like an ass but there is alot of misinformation in this post.
                                              to which I then said feel free to post your examples.

                                              Coming into a thread, and just telling everyone that it's full of misinformation, or wrong is not of benefit to anyone.
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                                              • hungry hungry hippy
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                                                #73
                                                looks like we were right jdoughs talk about predictable, and hypocritical.

                                                so much for practicing what you preach. i think the joke is on you here. the one who screams about examples refuses to give them

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                                                • Barefootsies
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                                                  #74
                                                  Originally posted by hungry hungry hippy
                                                  ltalk about predictable, and hypocritical. ....
                                                  Classic...




                                                  Thanks for proving my point. Yet another SEO "expert" called on the carpet, and his strategies are so top secret, HE doesn't even know them.

                                                  My sites are not top secret asshat. Anyone with a braincell can find them.
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                                                  • Mark_E4A
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                                                    #75
                                                    Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                    Ah yes. Another SEO consultant classic. The ole, "show me yours, and I'll not show you mine".



                                                    Funny. You SEO's come in. Make claims. Never can back up anything, then try and pull this trick. It's hilarious how predictable you guys are, and why most just laugh at the concept of an "SEO expert".

                                                    As I said, pure comedy.
                                                    ok dude, answer your icq and i will put my money where my mouth is

                                                    i will show you soo many fucking terms your head will spin.

                                                    i am not claiming to be an "expert" but my stats sure tell me i am doing something right.
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                                                    • Barefootsies
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                                                      #76
                                                      Originally posted by Mark_E4A
                                                      ok dude, answer your icq and i will put my money where my mouth is

                                                      i will show you soo many fucking terms your head will spin.

                                                      i am not claiming to be an "expert" but my stats sure tell me i am doing something right.
                                                      Fair enough hoss.
                                                      One sec.
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                                                      • Jdoughs
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                                                        #77
                                                        I have my reverse engineering hat on and anxiously awaiting you all to boil over and start posting serps!

                                                        COME ON!
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                                                        • hungry hungry hippy
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                                                          #78
                                                          Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                          Classic...




                                                          Thanks for proving my point. Yet another SEO "expert" called on the carpet, and his strategies are so top secret, HE doesn't even know them.

                                                          My sites are not top secret asshat. Anyone with a braincell can find them.
                                                          i don't know my own secrets? lmfao, this gets better and better. quit while you're ahead

                                                          is wiredwebonline yours? i'm interested to see where it is in the ranks for your keywords. i've yet to come across it, even for that 7 word phrase you're going for, even with quotes where there are only 97k results.

                                                          i guess when your arguments get deflated, the last ditch effort is petty name calling.. sad
                                                          Last edited by hungry hungry hippy; 02-16-2008, 09:17 AM. Reason: weed kills grammar !

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                                                          • Barefootsies
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                                                            #79
                                                            Originally posted by hungry hungry hippy

                                                            is wiredwebonline yours?
                                                            That's as much as your lazy ass can research on my main sites?

                                                            Hilarious.
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                                                            • Barefootsies
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                                                              #80
                                                              Originally posted by Mark_E4A
                                                              ok dude, answer your icq and i will put my money where my mouth is

                                                              i will show you soo many fucking terms your head will spin.

                                                              i am not claiming to be an "expert" but my stats sure tell me i am doing something right.
                                                              Lots of good stuff man. You da king
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                                                              • Pleasurepays
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                                                                #81
                                                                yeah... backlinks aren't important? next time you guys search for something and see a totally shitty page ranking well for what you are searching for... stop and ask yourself why that might be. it's sure not because of the crappy, unintelligible auto generated content, NON-EXISTENT updates and being an obviously fake site.

                                                                there can't possibly be any other aspect of web marketing filled with so much bullshit, misinformation and myths.

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                                                                • Diligent
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                                                                  #82
                                                                  Text content, matched up well against the words assembling search phrases targeted, boosts Your RELEVANCE factors...

                                                                  But most often when wanting to be on the first SERP's, all Your competitors have insane "link juice" at the SE's, so in order to compete with them...
                                                                  "Link juice" does the trick - knowing what gives/is that juice is the key today... but sooner or later things will be reworked, and PPC will be the only way to "be up there".
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                                                                  • Jdoughs
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                                                                    #83
                                                                    Despite the bickering in here, and maybe because of it, this is one of the best threads ive read here in months.
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                                                                    • Theo
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                                                                      #84
                                                                      Diligent,it won't happen, not in such degree at least. PPC concept of taking over normal listings has been tested and failed again and again over the last ten years or so. Those are 2 different things and the current status of major SEs we see is nothing more than a successful combination. It is this mix that drove google to the revenue monster it is in our days.

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                                                                      • Vick!
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                                                                        #85
                                                                        Originally posted by sharphead
                                                                        Because their too god damned big and the content is dynamic and their interlinked in ways I can't even imagine. If i had a few million pages all linking to my index page in one way or another, i'm sure i'd be at the top of pretty much everything too.
                                                                        total bullshit

                                                                        Wikipedia rank higher because their content are worth it and people love (no, they L O V E) to link to, second big thing is their domain value and TrustRank .. its pretty very very high.

                                                                        This is what gets Wikipedia ranked.

                                                                        If you think you can get ranked similar to wikipedia (or generally on the top for everything) with a few million pages, and every page linking to index ... you need to revise your SEO knowledge.

                                                                        Don't you think it would be the easiest fucking way to rank, then?

                                                                        PS. Well, I am not amazed .. SEO how-know of an average adult webmaster is very low. I am not talking about everyone, I do know some of you fuckers are really smart and don't even participate in such threads
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                                                                        • Jdoughs
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                                                                          #86
                                                                          Originally posted by Vick!
                                                                          PS. Well, I am not amazed .. SEO how-know of an average adult webmaster is very low. I am not talking about everyone, I do know some of you fuckers are really smart and don't even participate in such threads
                                                                          You seem to have a very good grasp on things Vick.
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                                                                          • Vick!
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                                                                            #87
                                                                            Originally posted by Jdoughs
                                                                            You seem to have a very good grasp on things Vick.
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                                                                            • Mark_E4A
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                                                                              #88
                                                                              Originally posted by Jdoughs
                                                                              You seem to have a very good grasp on things Vick.
                                                                              agreed, there are far toooo many people that "think" they know what they are doing. It takes a certain skill and patience.
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                                                                              • V_RocKs
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                                                                                #89
                                                                                Wikipedia is what happens when you do something because you are passionate and not because you are greedy.

                                                                                That is my SEO tip...

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                                                                                • V_RocKs
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                                                                                  #90
                                                                                  Originally posted by clickhappy
                                                                                  That makes sense, but then why does Google have such a huge webmasters area loaded with tools?
                                                                                  They dont have to have all that.

                                                                                  They could just say "fuck off" to webmasters and figure it out yourself. Why spend millions of dollars and time creating fake tools to fake out seo people?
                                                                                  Loaded with tools? Like Photoshop or like MS Paint?

                                                                                  Using CS3 Photoshop you almost don't need other tools like plugins...

                                                                                  Using MS Paint you would need every tool ever made because of the limitations on what it can do.

                                                                                  I wouldn't say Google has a load of tools.

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                                                                                  • Vick!
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                                                                                    #91
                                                                                    Originally posted by V_RocKs
                                                                                    Wikipedia is what happens when you do something because you are passionate and not because you are greedy.

                                                                                    That is my SEO tip...
                                                                                    great tip ... this is same as players say design sites for users not for search engines.


                                                                                    damn, i design for both
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                                                                                    • V_RocKs
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                                                                                      #92
                                                                                      https://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.co...&fr2=seo-rd-se

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                                                                                      • Iron Fist
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                                                                                        #93
                                                                                        Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                                        and his strategies are so top secret, HE doesn't even know them.
                                                                                        i like waffles

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                                                                                        • Vick!
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                                                                                          #94
                                                                                          Originally posted by V_RocKs


                                                                                          also worth looking..

                                                                                          http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=...iscqry=&fr=sfp

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                                                                                          • Chio
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                                                                                            #95
                                                                                            This should settle the argument.

                                                                                            I have a number of pr6 sites with no content at all. Just an image saying coming soon.

                                                                                            Verifiedcharge was a pr7 with no content (just a coming soon image) now since we launched beta it went down to a pr6 with content

                                                                                            So there you go.

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                                                                                            • Vick!
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                                                                                              • Nov 2005
                                                                                              • 6882

                                                                                              #96
                                                                                              Originally posted by Chio
                                                                                              This should settle the argument.

                                                                                              I have a number of pr6 sites with no content at all. Just an image saying coming soon.

                                                                                              Verifiedcharge was a pr7 with no content (just a coming soon image) now since we launched beta it went down to a pr6 with content

                                                                                              So there you go.
                                                                                              What you are trying to say? I mean how PR is related to the content?
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                                                                                              • baddog
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                                                                                                • Apr 2001
                                                                                                • 107089

                                                                                                #97
                                                                                                Originally posted by patryks
                                                                                                links , links and one more time links

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                                                                                                • Mark_E4A
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                                                                                                  • Apr 2003
                                                                                                  • 1514

                                                                                                  #98
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Vick!
                                                                                                  What you are trying to say? I mean how PR is related to the content?
                                                                                                  PR is way over rated

                                                                                                  my PR went down on a few sites but the ranks went through the roof
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                                                                                                  • Chio
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                                    • 8002

                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Vick!
                                                                                                    What you are trying to say? I mean how PR is related to the content?
                                                                                                    I was answering the original post. What does more for pr? Content or inbounds.

                                                                                                    Did the thread go off track? I didn't even realize it was already two pages

                                                                                                    I seo'd my hair yesterday and today it's pr7!
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                                                                                                    • Chio
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                                                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                                                      • 8002

                                                                                                      #100
                                                                                                      I read the initial post too quick. I just reread it and realized I need coffee. Carry on

                                                                                                      I seo'd my hair yesterday and today it's pr7!
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