I read the to "How to Win Friends and Influence People" and found it to be completely useless

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  • Machete_
    WINNING!
    • Oct 2002
    • 14579
    #1

    I read the to "How to Win Friends and Influence People" and found it to be completely useless

    The advice is completely out of date. The general principle is to just go overboard with the nice and polite routine, smile like an idiot and kiss peoples asses.

    In this modern pessimistic society I submit that this kills your credibility and makes you look like a doormat.
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    • PR_Glen
      Confirmed User
      • Oct 2006
      • 9058
      #2
      Nobody respects a pushover or fence sitters but I don't think that's its premise.

      i don't agree with all of the principles in that book either but it has more right to it than wrong...
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        • Jack Sparrow
          Almost goners..
          • May 2008
          • 11420
          #3
          You are useless, no book in the world will change that dj.

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            • iSpyCams
              Amateur Gynecologist
              • May 2009
              • 4436
              #4
              It is about establishing common ground which is still invaluable.

              However, it was written many years ago for a society that no longer exists, doing business in ways that are no longer viable.
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                • candyflip
                  Carpe Visio
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 43069
                  #5
                  Funny. My dad lives by this book and I often tell him he's a just being a doormat.

                  But he's successful on more than one front, so what the fuck do I know.

                  Spend you some brain.
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                    • Machete_
                      WINNING!
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 14579
                      #6
                      Originally posted by pompousjohn
                      It is about establishing common ground which is still invaluable.
                      People these days see that as an opportunity to take advantage of you.

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                        • Fletch XXX
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                          • Jan 2002
                          • 60840
                          #7
                          my grandmother had a copy, i read it young heheh

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                            • iSpyCams
                              Amateur Gynecologist
                              • May 2009
                              • 4436
                              #8
                              Originally posted by Machete_
                              People these days see that as an opportunity to take advantage of you.
                              I think you may be right but I want to believe that it's just because we are in the wrong industry.
                              - As soon as I think up a good sig it's going here.

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                                • Machete_
                                  WINNING!
                                  • Oct 2002
                                  • 14579
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by Jack Sparrow
                                  You are useless, no book in the world will change that dj.
                                  Im not DJ you imbecile. DJ is Banned For Life and Eric knows that i bought this nick - he personally changed it.
                                  Time to replace that tinfoil hat of yours, it's not working.

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                                    • Jack Sparrow
                                      Almost goners..
                                      • May 2008
                                      • 11420
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Machete_
                                      Im not DJ you imbecile. DJ is Banned For Life and Eric knows that i bought this nick - he personally changed it.
                                      Time to replace that tinfoil hat of yours, it's not working.
                                      If you can write im posting under various nicks so can i crybaby.

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                                        • Machete_
                                          WINNING!
                                          • Oct 2002
                                          • 14579
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by Jack Sparrow
                                          If you can write im posting under various nicks so can i crybaby.
                                          You been proven to post under multiple nicks.

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                                            • baddog
                                              So Fucking Banned
                                              • Apr 2001
                                              • 107089
                                              #12
                                              You should have read a how to book from 1736 instead of 1936.

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                                                • lagcam
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                                                  • Jul 2007
                                                  • 2890
                                                  #13
                                                  The 2010 update of "how to win friends and influence people" is give them money.
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                                                    • CaptainHowdy
                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                      • Dec 2004
                                                      • 94741
                                                      #14
                                                      Why did you start reading that in the first place??

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                                                        • fatfoo
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                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                          • 27763
                                                          #15
                                                          I read this book and I found it useful. In the book, it says that you'll have to choose for yourself which things you like to do and which things you don't like to do. I think that different approaches have to be used to please different people. In some cases, different people could have wishes that are opposite and contradicting.
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                                                            • seeandsee
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                                                              • Mar 2006
                                                              • 50945
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by Machete_
                                                              The advice is completely out of date. The general principle is to just go overboard with the nice and polite routine, smile like an idiot and kiss peoples asses.

                                                              In this modern pessimistic society I submit that this kills your credibility and makes you look like a doormat.
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                                                                • BareBacked
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                                                                  • Feb 2007
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                                                                  #17
                                                                  I think its a great read. I actually recommended a friend read it last week
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                                                                    • Agent 488
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                                                                      • Feb 2006
                                                                      • 22511
                                                                      #18
                                                                      only person it helps is the person who gets the royalties. shit is crap.

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                                                                        • garce
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                                                                          • Oct 2001
                                                                          • 7103
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by Machete_
                                                                          People these days see that as an opportunity to take advantage of you.
                                                                          Dead on.

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                                                                            • Jack Sparrow
                                                                              Almost goners..
                                                                              • May 2008
                                                                              • 11420
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Can you post proof of these acusations?
                                                                              Or should i ask eric?


                                                                              Originally posted by Machete_
                                                                              You been proven to post under multiple nicks.

                                                                              MrFrisky
                                                                              Jack Sparrow
                                                                              Marco
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                                                                              who know which else

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                                                                                  • 3566
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  I'm worried how many people read this book.
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                                                                                    • will76
                                                                                      Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash
                                                                                      • May 2003
                                                                                      • 18037
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Jack Sparrow
                                                                                      You are useless, no book in the world will change that dj.
                                                                                      dj forgot that he 1. doesn't have any friends, and 2. isn't influencing anyone online by trolling.
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                                                                                        • Machete_
                                                                                          WINNING!
                                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                                          • 14579
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Jack Sparrow
                                                                                          Can you post proof of these acusations?
                                                                                          Or should i ask eric?
                                                                                          You should go fuck yourself.


                                                                                          Originally posted by will76
                                                                                          dj forgot that he 1. doesn't have any friends, and 2. isn't influencing anyone online by trolling.
                                                                                          Oh look, another idiot. I'm not DJ - you can verify this with Eric.

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                                                                                            • - LOL -
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                                                                                              • Sep 2010
                                                                                              • 396
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              GFY broke ass troll says it doesn't work while one of the richest men in the world credits it as one of the pillars of his success.

                                                                                              Hmm...whom to believe?

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                                                                                                • ShellyCrash
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                                                                                                  • Jun 2004
                                                                                                  • 6708
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  I've never read it, but I knew a girl who read it in high school and she became like a stepford wife.

                                                                                                  She started practicing talking to herself in the mirror, and tweaked nearly everything about how she presented herself. The more she "practiced" the more it became habbit.

                                                                                                  Then one day it was like she crossed the line. She became like a newscaster, she never turned off, was always in this weird fake space.

                                                                                                  I have no doubt that it has practical applications in the business world, but on a personal level she lost her sense of self and became like a weird robot version of the girl I knew. It might be due to the age at which she read it, maybe she was too impressionable and took the philosphies and practices too much to heart, but IMO she lost probably about as much as she gained from it.

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                                                                                                    • will76
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                                                                                                      • May 2003
                                                                                                      • 18037
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by - LOL -
                                                                                                      GFY broke ass troll says it doesn't work while one of the richest men in the world credits it as one of the pillars of his success.

                                                                                                      Hmm...whom to believe?
                                                                                                      lol, i think you make a good point.
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                                                                                                        • tony286
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                                                                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                                                                          • 57021
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Alot of it still works if your dealing face to face with people not on icq

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                                                                                                            • Sly
                                                                                                              Let's do some business!
                                                                                                              • Sep 2004
                                                                                                              • 31377
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by ShellyCrash
                                                                                                              I've never read it, but I knew a girl who read it in high school and she became like a stepford wife.

                                                                                                              She started practicing talking to herself in the mirror, and tweaked nearly everything about how she presented herself. The more she "practiced" the more it became habbit.

                                                                                                              Then one day it was like she crossed the line. She became like a newscaster, she never turned off, was always in this weird fake space.

                                                                                                              I have no doubt that it has practical applications in the business world, but on a personal level she lost her sense of self and became like a weird robot version of the girl I knew. It might be due to the age at which she read it, maybe she was too impressionable and took the philosphies and practices too much to heart, but IMO she lost probably about as much as she gained from it.
                                                                                                              A lot of the book is about being a fake person in order to get what you want. A good portion of the advice is good, but I think that the reader needs to find a balance between being their genuine selves and also enriching their lives by becoming a better person using the book as a loose guide.

                                                                                                              I prefer 7 Habits, I think it's better advice "ethically" and "morally", but Dale Carnegie does have a lot of good advice and really does understand human behavior.
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                                                                                                                • Machete_
                                                                                                                  WINNING!
                                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                  • 14579
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by - LOL -
                                                                                                                  GFY broke ass troll says it doesn't work while one of the richest men in the world credits it as one of the pillars of his success.

                                                                                                                  Hmm...whom to believe?
                                                                                                                  Dale Carnegie... committed suicide.

                                                                                                                  for serious.

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                                                                                                                    • Yo Adrian
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                                                                                                                      • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                      • 6326
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by ShellyCrash
                                                                                                                      Then one day it was like she crossed the line. She became like a newscaster, she never turned off, was always in this weird fake space.
                                                                                                                      Too much of anything....
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                                                                                                                        • Yo Adrian
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                                                                                                                          • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                          • 6326
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Sly
                                                                                                                          A lot of the book is about being a fake person in order to get what you want.
                                                                                                                          I was just about to say the same thing. I read it a couple of years ago and although I wasn't able to find much practical use from it I did notice that 'fake person' concept was repeated a number of times. It's not unlike any other rapport building topic (which is what a lot of this book was about)... pretend to be similar to a person for just a short while to simulate a sense of familiarity and trust and then return to being yourself.
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                                                                                                                            • tony286
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                                                                                                                              • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                              • 57021
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Machete_
                                                                                                                              Dale Carnegie... committed suicide.

                                                                                                                              for serious.
                                                                                                                              He died from hodgkins disease

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                                                                                                                                • Anthony
                                                                                                                                  Keyboard Warrior
                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                  • 9653
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  A better book for today is the 48 Laws Of Power.

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                                                                                                                                    • will76
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                                                                                                                                      • May 2003
                                                                                                                                      • 18037
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Machete_
                                                                                                                                      Dale Carnegie... committed suicide.

                                                                                                                                      for serious.
                                                                                                                                      for serious, noes ways! omg!!!
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                                                                                                                                        • Jack Sparrow
                                                                                                                                          Almost goners..
                                                                                                                                          • May 2008
                                                                                                                                          • 11420
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Machete_
                                                                                                                                          You should go fuck yourself.



                                                                                                                                          Oh look, another idiot. I'm not DJ - you can verify this with Eric.
                                                                                                                                          Why should i want to verify it, you call me on having fakenicks and dont seem to find the need to verify that, why should i? DJ.

                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by - LOL -
                                                                                                                                          GFY broke ass troll says it doesn't work while one of the richest men in the world credits it as one of the pillars of his success.

                                                                                                                                          Hmm...whom to believe?

                                                                                                                                          LOL!

                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Machete_
                                                                                                                                          Dale Carnegie... committed suicide.

                                                                                                                                          for serious.
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by tony286
                                                                                                                                          He died from hodgkins disease
                                                                                                                                          Rest my case.

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