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Andrew Crossley spoke the same words as you a few years ago. He had his 2 years run yet I doubt his firm will be continuing imo. IANAL.Real quick thoughts:
Steve and others ARE sticking to their primary business, and outsourcing enforcement on a contingency fee basis. Beats paying per letter to a site that will repost the content the next day.
The murky "bad precedent" argument is too vague. I am not sure people getting caught and having to pay the content producers is a bad precedent. Or establishing multiple cases where rulings make it clear that the BS defenses the pirates have are in fact BS.
Most importantly BITTORRENT IS NOT USED FOR LEGITIMATE DOWNLOADING. What a misguided argument. P2P is used to anonymously steal content (well, not so anonymous anymore
P2P would not be used by a content producer who sells content and has it downloaded directly from his site to his legitimate clients. Bit torrent is horribly slow and inefficient compared to a direct link to a porn site. When we see bit torrent, we ask ourselves, "Hmmm, what is this person stealing today". And one study showed that 99.3% of all BT is illegal. Anyone here use BT for legal purposes?
Oh and fair use has been so discredited by federal courts on this issue that I suggest people considering that argument obtaining a westlaw account and research it. People relying on that nonsense are going to be paying our clients big money.
At the end of the day, it is all about results. The number of companies contacting my firm since the AVN article is only overshadowed by the number of pirates tying up our phone lines to discuss settlement. Something tells me Steve will be more than vocal about any success we have for him.
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Piracy is at it's highest form yet, anyone who thinks different is a fucking idiot. A blubbering fucking idiot. It's never been like this. Even if these particular measures were half as likely to succeed than what they are, it would still be worth a try.
This board is full of porn-surfing/pirating basement dwellers and that's where the typical negative sentiment towards this is coming from...Comment
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of course I think this effort would stop or more importantly and realistically REDUCE piracy
Just like you'd think a Police department would stop or more realistically reduce crime...
Neither means that a Police chief or lawyer would want it to END COMPLETELY and be out of a job.
How about you just get back to editing some images and shut the fuck up on the issue already. You're not making any sense and I'm sure it boils down to you simply wanting to be able to continue to keep filling your pirated porn database as easily as possible
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You forgot to call me a surfer and say that you're putting me on ignore.↑ see post ↑
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By the way - suing/blackmailing downloaders isn't going to scare off any porn buyers - the amount of 15-21 year old broke college kid basement dwelling porn downloading faggots on this forum is ridiculous...
The current sentiment is WOW YOU PAY FOR PORN? YOU FUCKING LOSER! GET THAT SHIT FO FREE LIKE THE REST OF THE WORLD IDIOT!
Watch this bastard nignog outline it here:
Fucking clown.. he says he has friends in the porn biz and isn't trying to put them out of business... well... by making this video that's exactly what he's contributing towards
So - take our beloved (weird, antisocial, quite possibly virgins as they may be) porn subscribers who definitely have to buy their subscriptions in private, get KNOCKED publically on youtube about it, and find for themselves that they're getting jipped because they're paying for something that's more or less readily available for them on various torrent sites, file sharing forums, etc around the world and present them with the current situation: UPLOADERS AND DOWNLOADERS GETTING SUED FOR PIRATING PORN!
How do you think that makes them feel for spending money on porn over the years instead of pirating it and getting sued like these other guys?? It would make them feel GREAT!
Seriously - this is an adult industry forum! Someone needs to get all these 15-20 year old mom's allowance faggots OUT of these threads with their bullshit opinions backed by their real concern of not being able to google gayfaggottwinksareus.com and download their porn for free.Comment
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so agree to pay for the extra legal cost if the bad precedent is set then. If there is no possiblity of it happening you really should have a problem committing your firms resources.
real copyright lawyers know that timeshifting was extended to the cloud, other fair uses will also be extended in such a way.
what the fuck are you talking about bit torrent is a public broadcast protocol, you have always been able to identify the ip address of the seeders by definition that how you know who to connect too.Most importantly BITTORRENT IS NOT USED FOR LEGITIMATE DOWNLOADING. What a misguided argument. P2P is used to anonymously steal content (well, not so anonymous anymore
if you don't understand that simple fact how the hell can you be expected to understand the legal consequences of technical specs.
currently more than 50% of all bit torrent traffic is content that is broadcast on tv. The majority of bit torrent users are using it as a vcr. And it is an obviously superior version of a vcr. the swarm is a pvr that has an infinite hard drive, which records every show, and allows you to watch what you want whenever you want, and skip the annoying commercials.P2P would not be used by a content producer who sells content and has it downloaded directly from his site to his legitimate clients. Bit torrent is horribly slow and inefficient compared to a direct link to a porn site. When we see bit torrent, we ask ourselves, "Hmmm, what is this person stealing today". And one study showed that 99.3% of all BT is illegal. Anyone here use BT for legal purposes?
it allows people to tune into shows they didn't realize they would have liked because the tv stations did a substandard marketing of the show ( supernaturals).
the only way you get ot 99.3% illegal is by ignoring fair uses like timeshifting (see above) backup and recovery etc.
says the divorce lawyer who doesn't even understand the reference spec of the protocol he is discussing.Oh and fair use has been so discredited by federal courts on this issue that I suggest people considering that argument obtaining a westlaw account and research it. People relying on that nonsense are going to be paying our clients big money.
At the end of the day, it is all about results. The number of companies contacting my firm since the AVN article is only overshadowed by the number of pirates tying up our phone lines to discuss settlement. Something tells me Steve will be more than vocal about any success we have for him.
so why not agree to cover all the legal expenses if the bad precedent happens. If you truly believed it never going to happen, you should have a problem committing your firms resources.
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Ouch. Gideon Gallery is not a believer. I respect that. Lets agree to this. I will sue people, and you keep telling people what I'm doing is stupid. We will see who gets to $1M with this project first. How much money can you make arguing for the continuation of illegal downloading? Anyone who things P2P is legit is using BT to download something illegal IMHO.
I respect those who disagree with me, and I hope that in the end, we can have a beer and debate this at a bar at the next AVN show.Last edited by johnsteele; 10-02-2010, 11:44 PM.Comment
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p2p = a type of architecture.
bittorrent = a p2p protocol.
Using those things is not illegal.
Yes, they can be used to download stolen content. And that would be illegal. A car can be used to transport stolen goods, but that doesn't make cars or the use of cars illegal.... djeez...Comment
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still noticed you didn't commit your firms resources to everyone if your efforts create another fair use barrier to everyone elses cases (ala teen revenue botched unfair business attempt)
i would respect you if you did that, it would prove that you truely believed your "anyone who thinks p2p is legit is using BT to download something illegal"
let be honest it a money grab , you know this could turn out badly but you don't give a fuck because all it going to do is increase your billable hours if you lose.
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I wonder if it's legal to send them an invoice with some prominent text threatening legal action in case of non-payment.
I know in America you can sue anybody for anything, but sending out invoices willy-nilly is most likely not allowed.
My point is, invoicing, if legal would be gentler, certainly cheaper and wouldn't preclude suing non payers.- As soon as I think up a good sig it's going here.Comment
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gideon, you cannot throw that "50% legit torrents/downloads" until you can completely verify all of them who had what rights to this "redundant backup cloud" of yours. please stop making up facts on the fly to suit your "agenda" to counter argue.Comment
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It's not only a money grab, they are creating a cash crop.
Wouldn't it be sweet if the gov payed you the fines directly and then had the offenders put on a payment plan to pay back the government.
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