Possible solution to the Dirty D vs Shoehorn dillema

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  • Pornopat
    AdultTubeSubmits.com
    • Dec 2003
    • 10598

    #1

    Possible solution to the Dirty D vs Shoehorn dillema

    I am in the fortunate position to know both. We only really talk at shows but still I know both are good guys. It really bothers me to see this conflict between two goodguys. They are hurting their own businesses and business in general.

    Both are doing well financially and analysing the problem I highly doubt this is about money. This is all about principal and pimphand. Two good guys playing a game of poker not being able to back out. I think Shoehorn knows his sales were debatable. I think the hurt is in the fact that traffic was still accepted. I think Dirty D knows he failed not putting up a TOS. He probably feels he can not pay Shoehorn though cause he might feel he would open up a box of problems where other affiliates would try to find flaws in the system and get paid.

    Shoehorn has tried to step in the direction of Dirty D by saying he only wants to get paid for the original sales. Dirty D has tried to step in the direction of Shoehorn by offering the alternative of getting paid 100$ a month per new sale.

    Again this leads me to the conclusion it is not about money. I think Shoehorn strongly feels that Dirty D should pay. Dirty D feels he can not pay Shoehorn. This looks like a catch 22 but is not.

    How about it if Dirty D pays the money to charity?
    The webmaster toyrun would be a good cause in the spirit of christmas....
    How about it guys...lets drop the pimpthing and both agree on doing something good for charity?
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  • fmltube
    So Fucking Banned
    • Aug 2009
    • 886

    #2
    How about Dirty D jacks off with Shoehorn in a theater and get arrested with him? That would make a helluva bonding experience.

    From the shit that came out in that thread, it would appear, if true, that Dirty D isn't the "good" guy you claimed. It simply means you are not one of those he fucked over. One man's trash is another man's treasure.

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    • VikingMan
      Exploiting human weakness
      • Jan 2008
      • 6862

      #3
      Originally posted by fmltube
      How about Dirty D jacks off with Shoehorn in a theater and get arrested with him? That would make a helluva bonding experience.
      e.

      Rarely, I mean RARELY do I find a female funny. You just made me laugh my ass off.

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      • AaronM
        GFY Royality ;)
        • Oct 2001
        • 46917

        #4
        I have a better idea. How about if Dirty D pays the money he intentionally stole?

        Until this issue, I always liked D. These days, I find it hard to see him as a good guy.

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        • cykoe6
          Confirmed User
          • Apr 2005
          • 4499

          #5
          Why would Shoehorn know his sales were debatable when they are perfectly legit? there are not two sides to this issue.
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          • rowan
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Mar 2002
            • 17393

            #6
            Giving the money to charity would mean that Dirty D has conceded. From the looks of it I doubt it's going to happen. Just look at the "Curiouscash non payment" thread, it's been going for months, CTB doesn't give a shit.

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            • CamTraffic
              Confirmed User
              • Feb 2008
              • 6537

              #7
              He should just pay the guy, he didnt have what was neeeded in the TOS, he s at fault
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              • candyflip
                Carpe Visio
                • Jul 2002
                • 43069

                #8
                At this point, it's not even the Shoehorn drama that he has to contend with. Fucking over a business partner and the other stuff that has come out doesn't really help matters.

                Lots of people who won't ever go near his program from this point out.

                Spend you some brain.
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                • Agent 488
                  Registered User
                  • Feb 2006
                  • 22511

                  #9
                  as a point of pride d will never pay. no affiliate that sends real sales will pull their links in this economy. people will get bored with it and move to the next drama. the end.

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                  • suesheboy
                    Confirmed User
                    • Nov 2002
                    • 5211

                    #10
                    Knowing someone at a show is a "good guy" means nothing.

                    Are they good because they did not rape or murder anyone with you or that they talked to you while you were drinking?

                    Dirty D is a thief and if shoehorn wants to take the money he gets and donates it in his name to get the write off its his business to do so.

                    There is only 1 guilty party here...Dirt D and the cheating mother fucker needs to pay up or better yet lets see more dirt come out about him...underage models..ripping off others...etc
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                    • LickMyBalls
                      So Fucking Banned
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 756

                      #11
                      That doesn't solve the problem of the other guy. You want DD to donate 100k, or whatever amount it is he fucked that guy over for, to charity?

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                      • Les Grossman
                        So Fucking Banned
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 1012

                        #12
                        I'd like to say D took a black eye with all those page views, but reality is you can do anything in this business and get away with it.

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                        • dyna mo
                          just a fucking jerk
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 68184

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Pornopat
                          They are hurting their own businesses and business in general.
                          shoehorn hurt his own business and business in general?

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                          • Pornopat
                            AdultTubeSubmits.com
                            • Dec 2003
                            • 10598

                            #14
                            Originally posted by dyna mo
                            shoehorn hurt his own business and business in general?

                            Both know how to make money and would earn more concentrating on work then fighting on gfy.
                            I am sure Shoehorn would agree to this.
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                            • Pornopat
                              AdultTubeSubmits.com
                              • Dec 2003
                              • 10598

                              #15
                              Originally posted by suesheboy
                              Knowing someone at a show is a "good guy" means nothing.

                              Are they good because they did not rape or murder anyone with you or that they talked to you while you were drinking?

                              Dirty D is a thief and if shoehorn wants to take the money he gets and donates it in his name to get the write off its his business to do so.

                              There is only 1 guilty party here...Dirt D and the cheating mother fucker needs to pay up or better yet lets see more dirt come out about him...underage models..ripping off others...etc
                              I have had very pleasant and honest conversations with both. I do not think they are good guys because they buy me drinks. I tend to look beyond that. They are different persons but I am 100% sure that if I would lock them up in a room together for 24 hours they would end up as friends.
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                              • fmltube
                                So Fucking Banned
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 886

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Pornopat
                                I have had very pleasant and honest conversations with both. I do not think they are good guys because they buy me drinks. I tend to look beyond that. They are different persons but I am 100% sure that if I would lock them up in a room together for 24 hours they would end up as friends.
                                Or jerking off with 70 year old Shirely? I suppose anything is possible.

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                                • Pornopat
                                  AdultTubeSubmits.com
                                  • Dec 2003
                                  • 10598

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by fmltube
                                  Or jerking off with 70 year old Shirely? I suppose anything is possible.
                                  I did hear you the first time.
                                  Merry christmas.
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                                  • dyna mo
                                    just a fucking jerk
                                    • Dec 2008
                                    • 68184

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Pornopat
                                    Both know how to make money and would earn more concentrating on work then fighting on gfy.
                                    I am sure Shoehorn would agree to this.
                                    with this sort of reasoning, any amount of posting on gfy would do that. so you are losing money yourself with this thread.

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                                    • stickyfingerz
                                      Doin fine
                                      • Oct 2005
                                      • 24984

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by fmltube
                                      How about Dirty D jacks off with Shoehorn in a theater and get arrested with him? That would make a helluva bonding experience.

                                      From the shit that came out in that thread, it would appear, if true, that Dirty D isn't the "good" guy you claimed. It simply means you are not one of those he fucked over. One man's trash is another man's treasure.
                                      Originally posted by lumenus
                                      Rarely, I mean RARELY do I find a female funny. You just made me laugh my ass off.
                                      I'd say you still didn't find a female funny.

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                                      • Pornopat
                                        AdultTubeSubmits.com
                                        • Dec 2003
                                        • 10598

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by dyna mo
                                        with this sort of reasoning, any amount of posting on gfy would do that. so you are losing money yourself with this thread.
                                        More so fighting then posting I think.
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                                        • will76
                                          Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash
                                          • May 2003
                                          • 18037

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Pornopat
                                          I am in the fortunate position to know both. We only really talk at shows but still I know both are good guys. It really bothers me to see this conflict between two goodguys. They are hurting their own businesses and business in general.

                                          Both are doing well financially and analysing the problem I highly doubt this is about money. This is all about principal and pimphand. Two good guys playing a game of poker not being able to back out. I think Shoehorn knows his sales were debatable. I think the hurt is in the fact that traffic was still accepted. I think Dirty D knows he failed not putting up a TOS. He probably feels he can not pay Shoehorn though cause he might feel he would open up a box of problems where other affiliates would try to find flaws in the system and get paid.

                                          Shoehorn has tried to step in the direction of Dirty D by saying he only wants to get paid for the original sales. Dirty D has tried to step in the direction of Shoehorn by offering the alternative of getting paid 100$ a month per new sale.

                                          Again this leads me to the conclusion it is not about money. I think Shoehorn strongly feels that Dirty D should pay. Dirty D feels he can not pay Shoehorn. This looks like a catch 22 but is not.

                                          How about it if Dirty D pays the money to charity?
                                          The webmaster toyrun would be a good cause in the spirit of christmas....
                                          How about it guys...lets drop the pimpthing and both agree on doing something good for charity?
                                          How about he pays his affiliate like he is suppose to? I know a novel idea, a company doing what they are suppose to do.

                                          His sales weren't " debatable ". How is what he did " debatable" when a lot of companies allow it and D didn't say you couldn't do it.

                                          LOL, I don't think shoehorn was "hurt". I think he just wants his money for services rendered.

                                          You people are laughable. You try to minimze shoehorn's side like you are trying to be t he middle guy. It's not possible, what D did is wrong on so many levels.

                                          He refused to pay on traffic that many others accept.
                                          He didn't state t hat he wouldn't accept that traffic.
                                          He continued to accept traffic without contacting or paying.
                                          I'll say that again, he noticed what was happening and instead of contacting shoehorn he just altered nats so shoehorn's checks wouldn't go out = THEFT
                                          He comes in insulting shoehorn and everyone else.
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                                          • datatank
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Aug 2004
                                            • 5471

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by lumenus
                                            Rarely, I mean RARELY do I find a female funny. You just made me laugh my ass off.
                                            Funny you think that is a girl posting lol

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                                            • will76
                                              Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash
                                              • May 2003
                                              • 18037

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Agent 488
                                              as a point of pride d will never pay. no affiliate that sends real sales will pull their links in this economy. people will get bored with it and move to the next drama. the end.
                                              maybe right for existing, but doesn't do he much good for potential new affiliates...
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                                              • Profits of Doom
                                                Monster Rain
                                                • Feb 2004
                                                • 4978

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                I'd say you still didn't find a female funny.
                                                No shit, a guy pretending to be a girl that can't even pay for his $4.95 a month hosting wants to tell someone how to run their business. Yes, Shoehorn definitely needs to get paid, but all the drama queen losers are starting to make my fucking stomach turn...
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                                                • Agent 488
                                                  Registered User
                                                  • Feb 2006
                                                  • 22511

                                                  #25
                                                  yeah right. 99% of gfy would let dirty d creampie their mom if his sites converted for them.

                                                  there are countless examples of people happily sending traffic to those who are/could fuck them over. aff, brazzers etc. they will just do it quietly now. sure some no name will drop some links but really that doesn't hurt dirty d's bottom line one bit.

                                                  Originally posted by will76
                                                  maybe right for existing, but doesn't do he much good for potential new affiliates...

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                                                  • CaptainHowdy
                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                    • Dec 2004
                                                    • 94022

                                                    #26
                                                    It's a pissing contest, you just have to choose one leak or the other...

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                                                    • will76
                                                      Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash
                                                      • May 2003
                                                      • 18037

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Agent 488
                                                      yeah right. 99% of gfy would let dirty d creampie their mom if his sites converted for them.

                                                      there are countless examples of people happily sending traffic to those who are/could fuck them over. aff, brazzers etc. they will just do it quietly now. sure some no name will drop some links but really that doesn't hurt dirty d's bottom line one bit.
                                                      It does, maybe not much but it does. I can state as much because I will be leaving him off of a project I am working on. I will just add another similar site for that niche or someone else.

                                                      Affililate programs are a dime a dozen, most of it basically the same shit just repackaged with a different name. If I am going to try someone new the first 1 pick is not going to be the one that has flashing lights over it saying " i am an asshole, I might not pay you, I make up the TOS rules as I go, people have made allegations that i shot underage content" etc etc etc... Sure everything comes down to money, but you can't try everyone out at once. You have to pick someone to try first, i think people will try out his competitors first.
                                                      Last edited by will76; 12-12-2009, 09:15 AM.
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                                                      • Vexes

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by lumenus
                                                        Rarely, I mean RARELY do I find a female funny. You just made me laugh my ass off.
                                                        Plus 1

                                                        haha

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                                                        • Quagmire
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Jul 2005
                                                          • 6490

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by AaronM
                                                          I have a better idea. How about if Dirty D pays the money he intentionally stole?

                                                          Until this issue, I always liked D. These days, I find it hard to see him as a good guy.
                                                          I have to agree with you there. He's never bought me a drink and he isn't my bro. I've only met him a few times and spoke with him at shows and he seemed like a decent enough guy with a good sense of humour.

                                                          He needs to man up, accept that it wasn't in his ToS and pay Shoehorn.

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                                                          • punkpred
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • May 2007
                                                            • 1434

                                                            #30
                                                            I wonder how much of a hit D took and will take for screwing that dude out of his money?
                                                            HDVBucks

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                                                            • stever
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Jul 2005
                                                              • 1716

                                                              #31
                                                              here is a possible solution:

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                                                              • fatfoo
                                                                ICQ:649699063
                                                                • Mar 2003
                                                                • 27763

                                                                #32
                                                                I love Pornopat's informative threads about business dillemas. You say it's about "pimphand". I've never heard of such concept. Maybe you can explain in more detail what you mean by this word.

                                                                P.S.

                                                                I favor the giving out of money to charity for Christmas:

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                                                                • Pornopat
                                                                  AdultTubeSubmits.com
                                                                  • Dec 2003
                                                                  • 10598

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Bump for christmastime.
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                                                                  • PornMD
                                                                    Mainstream Businessman
                                                                    • Jan 2007
                                                                    • 9291

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                                    I'd say you still didn't find a female funny.
                                                                    Beat me to it, darn.
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                                                                    • Deej
                                                                      I make pixels work
                                                                      • Jun 2005
                                                                      • 24386

                                                                      #35
                                                                      great idea ideally, but even if D payed it for the kids... its still scoffing shoehorn and affiliates...

                                                                      you have to live by your TOS, not your hidden rules...

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