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  • KrisKross
    Confirmed User
    • Jan 2006
    • 5025

    #316
    Originally posted by DrinkingHARDEST
    Nope it's not ok to steal, however the companies being stolen from need to protect their media in a more aggressive manner. Or at least be able to monetize the traffic that is looking to steal their content.

    Quite a few large media companies are cutting deals with the torrent sites as we speak.

    DH
    DH, if I found a way to steal the top spots on some of the TGPs you sell spots on, would you shrug your shoulders and let me keep doing it until you found a way with the TGPs to protect the spots "in a more agressive manner"?

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    • will76
      Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash
      • May 2003
      • 18037

      #317
      Originally posted by LadyMischief
      Not neccessarily.. They have to respond to DMCA's and be willing to give information otherwise they are accountable, as far as I'm aware. However don't quote me as gospel, I'm fairly sure but not 100%. I've never had hosts interfere with copyright issues, they tend to be EXTREMELY willing to keep themselves liability-free.

      I was a host that refused. Different circumstances but it did involve copyright issues. One of my colocation customers owned a gay website that had a forum on it. One of the posters on the forum posted " Gloryhole at the marriott, second floor bathroom". Marriott general consul contacted my company and asked us to remove the page and to give them the customers information. They had tried contacting him and were unable to do so. They threatened to sue us for copyright violation if we did not comply. We spoke with our attorneys and were told this is one of the rare cases where as a host we were liable. As a host when notified of a copyright violation (my understanding according to the law) you are suppose to comply. I do not feel comfortable about giving out information to any company just because they ask for it and I would not want to go start taking customers pages down for the same reasons as well. I feel like i could be sued by the customer if i was to do this. My stance was get a court order and I will comply to that but I am not going to do it just because you say so.

      The costmer refused to address the issue because it was on a forum and he said it was right to free speach, talk about a rock and a hard place. A good friend and large account and my personal feels on one side, a large corperation wanting to lump you in with the site owner on something you have totally nothing to do with. Thankfully they did not persue it, apparently they were bluffing and after a couple weeks since it was a forum it faded off of the site.

      Several years ago I had someone hosting with me who had a girls nude images on his website. Girl was complaining to the police that the person using her pics did so without her persmission and wanted them down. Same thing, they can't get in touch with the site owner so the police call me. They were cool about it, they just wanted mailing info for me, they told me they did not want me to tell them any info on the site owner until I received the subpoena so my customer could not sue me. Subpoena was received info was sent.

      But pirate bay is not liable for copyright issues
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      • chodadog
        Confirmed User
        • Apr 2002
        • 9736

        #318
        DH, you still haven't answered. Do you still wish to be The Pirate Bay's ad broker even though you're now aware that at the very least, they link to questionable torrents featuring child models? Just like pretty much every major torrent site out there?

        I suppose if you were to broker ads for them, you could insist they need to approve ever torrent added to their listings manually, but then they would be actively approving the addition of links to pirated content to their website and they'd be a little more than a "yellow pages" of torrents.

        Hypothetically, would you broker ads for The Pirate Bay if the opportunity came up and what measures would you impose on them to make sure you weren't brokering ads for a site which is currently linking to what at the very least is questionable content?
        26 + 6 = 1

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        • GTS Mark
          Vrume Mark
          • Jan 2001
          • 20912

          #319
          Originally posted by chodadog
          DH, you still haven't answered. Do you still wish to be The Pirate Bay's ad broker even though you're now aware that at the very least, they link to questionable torrents featuring child models? Just like pretty much every major torrent site out there?

          I suppose if you were to broker ads for them, you could insist they need to approve ever torrent added to their listings manually, but then they would be actively approving the addition of links to pirated content to their website and they'd be a little more than a "yellow pages" of torrents.

          Hypothetically, would you broker ads for The Pirate Bay if the opportunity came up and what measures would you impose on them to make sure you weren't brokering ads for a site which is currently linking to what at the very least is questionable content?

          The answer is no I would never in a million years be knowingly involved in anything that profiteered off child exploitation or child pornography.

          DH

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          • chodadog
            Confirmed User
            • Apr 2002
            • 9736

            #320
            Well that's good to know.
            26 + 6 = 1

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            • chaze
              Confirmed User
              • Aug 2002
              • 9774

              #321
              Damn what happened tot his thread, crazy stuff
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              • CaptainHowdy
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Dec 2004
                • 94721

                #322
                7 pages... dayummmmmmmmm !!

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                • chaze
                  Confirmed User
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 9774

                  #323
                  Originally posted by madawgz
                  well...dont get hosted by some ramdom company

                  contact them and let them know what kind of site you are running, and if it will be ok to host there

                  most of them will say Yes but you must remove any content that gets reported

                  .....as for any hosting company sending out your information, just pay by epass or paypal and give all fake details...i guess
                  DWHS would never give out personal information unless we where taken to court by the feds. And I have seen that and we still didn't end up giving it out. keeping customers confidential is part of building trust.
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                  • LadyMischief
                    Orgasms N Such!
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 18135

                    #324
                    Originally posted by will76
                    But pirate bay is not liable for copyright issues
                    Like I said unfortunately the rules are a bit different for them because they are a "service provider" they don't host the content. If they hosted the content it would be easy to get them shut down en-masses (or easier, anyways), as most countries abide by some kind of international copyright law.

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                    • will76
                      Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash
                      • May 2003
                      • 18037

                      #325
                      Originally posted by LadyMischief
                      Like I said unfortunately the rules are a bit different for them because they are a "service provider" they don't host the content. If they hosted the content it would be easy to get them shut down en-masses (or easier, anyways), as most countries abide by some kind of international copyright law.
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                      Last edited by will76; 04-30-2007, 05:40 PM.
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                      • Tryme
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 596

                        #326
                        Originally posted by Brad Gosse
                        I remember when the top spot on the hun was a bad thing. I had to redirect those listings a few times because someone posted my AVS site backends lol.

                        TGP slowly became the "legit" norm. P2P Is doing the same.
                        Did The Hun pay you for the bandwith you burned? Did you get free listings later from him as a way of saying thanks for letting me use your bandwith which was very expensive, and your content? Nope

                        I don't get how these guys thing torrents are any different.

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                        • Aussie Rebel
                          Blow Me U Geeks
                          • Aug 2001
                          • 5108

                          #327
                          Originally posted by Tryme
                          Did The Hun pay you for the bandwith you burned? Did you get free listings later from him as a way of saying thanks for letting me use your bandwith which was very expensive, and your content? Nope

                          I don't get how these guys thing torrents are any different.
                          Did the Hun have CP torrents on his website? No!!

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                          • Tryme
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 596

                            #328
                            Originally posted by kektex
                            IMHO this time it´s different.
                            If you found a TGP stealing your stuff, there was someone you could hold accountable.You could contact the site owner, the hosting provider,etc. Plus, you could just change your site´s backend,deactivate stolen passwords,etc.

                            With P2P you can´t do that. You cannot sue everyone that shares a file (as the RIAA and MPAA have found out). You find complete site rips that can be downloaded in a matter of hours or days, depending on how much bandwidth you have. And most importantly, you often cannot hold the sites that are hosting the trackers accountable.
                            You can try to flood P2P networks with your branded files,etc. but that doesn´t solve the fact that surfers won´t join your site if they can find your whole site in a single torrent.
                            The fact that these sites are being financed by certain sponsors doesn´t help either.
                            You can't say for sure that all the files there don't brand the content, it is for the most part watermarketed, and hell I see a file called Ashley Lightspeed. Don't you think they will goto google and look for more of the content?

                            Nobody has a clue, they do get a shitload of typein traffic though and nobody knows for sure where that comes from.

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                            • Tryme
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 596

                              #329
                              Originally posted by Aussie Rebel
                              Did the Hun have CP torrents on his website? No!!
                              Not that I know of, but tgps you can look at now have child porn on them or atleast thumbs that are corp'd to appear that way, Slick learned the hard way and lost a lot of revenue when he had that on his sites.

                              So does that mean nobody should be able to buy Google traffic? Cause it has links to cp.

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                              • kektex
                                Confirmed User
                                • Mar 2005
                                • 1813

                                #330
                                Originally posted by Tryme
                                You can't say for sure that all the files there don't brand the content, it is for the most part watermarketed, and hell I see a file called Ashley Lightspeed. Don't you think they will goto google and look for more of the content?

                                Nobody has a clue, they do get a shitload of typein traffic though and nobody knows for sure where that comes from.
                                Why would a surfer that just downloaded a complete Ashley Lightspeed site rip go to google and join the site?
                                exgfmovies.com, exgfclips.com, datesx.com, gayboards.com and more!

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