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  • Pleasurepays
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    • Aug 2002
    • 11913

    #101
    100 lying cunts

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    • UniqueMovies
      Confirmed User
      • Feb 2003
      • 1691

      #102
      TrafficHog = Lars

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      • Martin
        "Assassins"
        • Dec 2001
        • 17278

        #103
        I also think that this wont stop the greedy, shady fucks that use these tactics but it does help bring awarness to the webmasters of sites who are being targeted so they can block it. Now that Im all for..

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        • TrafficHog
          Registered User
          • Sep 2005
          • 88

          #104
          Originally posted by hershie
          Everytime you bring it all back to it being just a vendetta of Will comes across to me as raising a red herring to cloud the realities of the issue. Worse, chalking it up as just another contextual ad buy is disingenuous to the webmaster community who easily saw through the difference of Guba from newsgroups just like they distinguish what zango is to them here from other contextual advertising.
          Why did Will come out against one person who seems to be his competition? Why did Will not check his own company for some of the largest Adware usage of a company? Why did will and others make a list of companies supporting adware when none of the companies were alerted of the accounts linked to adware to given a chance to remove them while Will is able to remove links all day long from Adware to ClickCash with it not being supportive of Zango?? Why? Why did Will, only just a few days ago, remove long standing links from Adware and is able to say he doesn't support adware when all along.... during the time if his bitching... adware links from Zango and MANY other adware companies have been making ClickCash money?

          How come Will would rather build up ZangoCash.com and MetricsDirect.com then to actually combat something he thinks is hurting people? What's his motive? I would say VANITY! This duchebag has never owned a real website and makes his money off other people's hard work. He is an affiliate referral.... That's it... He is only bitching to bring his status up..

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          • TrafficHog
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            • Sep 2005
            • 88

            #105
            Originally posted by Martin
            I have a hard time believing this is due to Will's threads on gfy.

            Whatever his intentions are he has given zangocash.com a HUGE amount of publicity and he is only worsening any problem he thought was there while all along ClickCash was using Zango and many others to make money.

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            • Pleasurepays
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              • Aug 2002
              • 11913

              #106
              Originally posted by TrafficHog
              He is only bitching to bring his status up..

              thats not true. his Bro Status has been fully revoked. its gone. he is not a Bro... he will not respond as a Bro... no one will be calling him Bro... he will post no Bro threads with cool Bro cars, nice Bro homes and hot Bro chicks or cool Bro vacation pics.


              TRAFFICHOG = Lars.

              my god you are retarded. building on a total and complete fucking meltdown you've had that you only make worse and worse and worse.

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              • TrafficHog
                Registered User
                • Sep 2005
                • 88

                #107
                Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                ok... i accept your statements.


                so....

                1) it has no direct effect on user levels since its basically an irrelevant amount of traffic.

                2) it has no consequences on the merchant account and processing since normal fluctuations are such that not having zango traffic wouldn't even register

                3) its apparently not enough worth stealing to begin with.


                so, lets take the time to examine the arguments for it based on your statements.

                1)......uhmm.... hm...........


                Originally posted by TrafficHog
                I am not AFF. I don't know if they have a problem with their database and chargebacks. Check with them.
                Did you read that part or just skip the whole issue like Will did with ClickCash before he went on his crusade.

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                • TrafficHog
                  Registered User
                  • Sep 2005
                  • 88

                  #108
                  Originally posted by UniqueMovies
                  TrafficHog = Lars
                  Not Lars....
                  Although I wish. Just an observer wondering if people other than dumb followers(sheep) understand what's really going on here.

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                  • TrafficHog
                    Registered User
                    • Sep 2005
                    • 88

                    #109
                    Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                    thats not true. his Bro Status has been fully revoked. its gone. he is not a Bro... he will not respond as a Bro... no one will be calling him Bro... he will post no Bro threads with cool Bro cars, nice Bro homes and hot Bro chicks or cool Bro vacation pics.


                    TRAFFICHOG = Lars.

                    my god you are retarded. building on a total and complete fucking meltdown you've had that you only make worse and worse and worse.


                    He was never in "bro" status. LOL. Will has never met any other webmasters face to face. Never goes to shows. Never actually network and has to deal with people he crusades against.

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                    • Pleasurepays
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                      • Aug 2002
                      • 11913

                      #110
                      Originally posted by TrafficHog
                      Did you read that part or just skip the whole issue like Will did with ClickCash before he went on his crusade.
                      as i recall.... he called everyone out that he found. you seem to be the only one that "skipped the whole issue" and seem to be real interested in making the entire conversation about something else.



                      the refresher course:


                      Will76 - affiliate
                      AFF/Cams = robbing affiliates

                      ClickCash = terminated any relationship with zango via affiliates or otherwise
                      AFF/Cams = said "fuck you webmasters"

                      two different things entirely

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                      • hershie
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jun 2002
                        • 4642

                        #111
                        Originally posted by TrafficHog
                        Just an observer wondering if people other than dumb followers(sheep) understand what's really going on here.
                        I'll assume you aren't talking about all the AFF apologists that pop up here and there.

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                        • TrafficHog
                          Registered User
                          • Sep 2005
                          • 88

                          #112
                          Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                          as i recall.... he called everyone out that he found. you seem to be the only one that "skipped the whole issue" and seem to be real interested in making the entire conversation about something else.



                          the refresher course:


                          Will76 - affiliate
                          AFF/Cams = robbing affiliates

                          ClickCash = terminated any relationship with zango via affiliates or otherwise
                          AFF/Cams = said "fuck you webmasters"

                          two different things entirely

                          Ok... The ones he called out....Other than the ones that admitted they buy the traffic. Do they get a free hall pass too? Shouldn't have Will cleaned his whole house Months before he bashes on other companies? Why did Will's TeamClickCash have HUGE ties with Zango before just a days ago and not before he went on his crusade? What is ClickCash's real position on Adware?

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                          • Pleasurepays
                            BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 11913

                            #113
                            Originally posted by TrafficHog
                            Ok... The ones he called out....Other than the ones that admitted they buy the traffic. Do they get a free hall pass too? Shouldn't have Will cleaned his whole house Months before he bashes on other companies? Why did Will's TeamClickCash have HUGE ties with Zango before just a days ago and not before he went on his crusade? What is ClickCash's real position on Adware?

                            Clickcash adopted an official position on adware. They are against it... and for affiliates

                            Cams/AFF adopted a position on adware... They are for it and against affiliates.





                            interesting, only Lars has been referring to it as "adware"

                            dipshit.

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                            • Tryme
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                              • Jul 2003
                              • 596

                              #114
                              Lars, can you please stop stealing traffic.

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                              • will76
                                Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash
                                • May 2003
                                • 18037

                                #115
                                Traffichog = Lars I am convinced. His same dumb arguments. Actually tomorrow I will check on this but I think one of these comments he made was word for word what Lars has posted.

                                hey is this me, or is this fake nic trying to make this thread about me. You can ask him any question you want, he replies, But Will.... Well Will... Why did Will...

                                I think I have a stalker. I wish I had a dollar for how many times he said my name.

                                Don't feed the trolls. Anyone that can believe that Zango's traffic is . 05% US based traffic when they only really pay for us traffic is a moron.

                                Zango .05% US TRAFFIC LMAO LOLOLOL

                                Good night lars.

                                KEEP THE THREAD ON TRACK. DONT LET THE TROLL SPIN IT.
                                Last edited by will76; 11-20-2006, 11:58 PM.
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                                • will76
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                                  • May 2003
                                  • 18037

                                  #116
                                  Originally posted by TrafficHog
                                  He was never in "bro" status. LOL. Will has never met any other webmasters face to face. Never goes to shows. Never actually network and has to deal with people he crusades against.
                                  Ok I take the bait. How do you know if I went to any shows or not. Which shows were you at ?
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                                  • JD
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                                    • Sep 2003
                                    • 22651

                                    #117

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                                    • will76
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                                      • May 2003
                                      • 18037

                                      #118
                                      Bump for your answers.
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                                      • will76
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                                        • May 2003
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                                        #119
                                        BTW for those of you wondering. I have gone to 3 shows. New Orleans 2000 Miami 2003 Miami 2006 Unless I have reason (other then to hang out with the bros ;) I don't go to a show every year.
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                                        • Evil1
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                                          • Mar 2002
                                          • 3893

                                          #120
                                          Originally posted by TrafficHog
                                          The sheep won't always follow a moron....
                                          But in this case the sheep want the original fucking questions asked answered.

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                                          • polish_aristocrat
                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                            • Jul 2002
                                            • 40377

                                            #121
                                            Sly, by openly supporting will76, you look like a troll and you lose 7% of GFY Q-factor in the eyes of some established people....
                                            I don't use ICQ anymore.

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                                            • Sly
                                              Let's do some business!
                                              • Sep 2004
                                              • 31377

                                              #122
                                              Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
                                              Sly, by openly supporting will76, you look like a troll and you lose 7% of GFY Q-factor in the eyes of some established people....


                                              Thank God I have yet to support Will! This thread smells.
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                                              • TheSwed
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                                                • Feb 2004
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                                                #123
                                                Originally posted by lucky1
                                                All night long it seems that AFF and their supporters are trying to spin the hell out of the zango issue.

                                                They have reduced a serious problem in the adult industry to a kindergarten argument.

                                                I don't want to hear that this company is using zango or that company is using zango. I don't what to hear that Will is an asshole or Lars is an asshole. What I want are these questions answered from AFF since they are the only company that has come forward and admitted that they directly purchase traffic from zango.

                                                Is Zango a problem in the adult industry as a whole?

                                                Is theft on any level whether it is 20% or .0001% acceptable?

                                                Do you bid on url's of other companies?

                                                Does Zango pop up a page or window over a site thus possibly taking away traffic from the original site?

                                                Why do you use zango if it is such a small portion of your traffic and income?

                                                Are you doing anything to stop zango and if so what?

                                                Serious questions and I would like serious answers.

                                                Answer them right and gain some respect.
                                                Extra points for honesty and I'll check your answers.
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                                                • jayeff
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                                                  • May 2001
                                                  • 2944

                                                  #124
                                                  Originally posted by TrafficHog
                                                  Why did Will come out against one person who seems to be his competition?
                                                  What you haven't noticed other (video and dating) sites joining in this discussion? Some have stayed silent. Some have declared opposition to scumware. Lars is the only spokesperson for a sponsor who has basically told affiliates they do not oppose scumware: so who else should we come out against?

                                                  Originally posted by TrafficHog
                                                  Why did Will not check his own company for some of the largest Adware usage of a company?
                                                  More spin. iFriends and scumware were linked right at the beginning of the discussion on this issue. Will stated early on that he would be contacting them. The worst you can say is that iFriends needed to be alerted at all and that they could have reacted more quickly.

                                                  Originally posted by TrafficHog
                                                  Why did will and others make a list of companies supporting adware when none of the companies were alerted of the accounts linked to adware to given a chance to remove them
                                                  1. Why shouldn't professional sponsors be expected to police their own traffic?

                                                  2. If you accurately report on a given day that a sponsor is appearing in scumware popups, on that day the sponsor in question is - whether directly or indirectly - supporting scumware. How naive do you expect everyone to be: all these weeks later and still only a small proportion of sponsors have spoken up. Gamma, Platinum Bucks, Bang Bros, Nasty Dollars, SexSearch, etc., etc... just how long do you think they should have in which to respond?

                                                  Originally posted by TrafficHog
                                                  How come Will would rather build up ZangoCash.com and MetricsDirect.com then to actually combat something he thinks is hurting people?
                                                  So according to you we should all creep quietly away and handle this alone, leaving everyone else in the dark? For myself, I mailed the FTC the week after they reached a settlement with Zango; I am in the process of updating all my sites, removing sponsors who support scumware as I go and installing htaccess mods etc. But I'm damned if I'm going to keep quiet so long as the cowboys in this industry keep undermining it for their own short-term gain.

                                                  I don't care whether you are Lars or some other clown hiding behind a fake nickname. All that fools like you do, attempting to turn this into a Will vs Lars drama with a bunch of transparent BS, is keep the topic on the front page here. If that is what you want, keep going: there are dozens of people willing to pitch in to "balance" such crap.
                                                  Last edited by jayeff; 11-21-2006, 11:48 AM.

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                                                  • germ
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                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                    • 3108

                                                    #125
                                                    Is Zango a problem in the adult industry as a whole?

                                                    Is theft on any level whether it is 20% or .0001% acceptable?

                                                    Do you bid on url's of other companies?

                                                    Does Zango pop up a page or window over a site thus possibly taking away traffic from the original site?

                                                    Why do you use zango if it is such a small portion of your traffic and income?

                                                    Are you doing anything to stop zango and if so what?
                                                    i just thought this thread could use a little direction back on course.

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                                                    • Evil1
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Mar 2002
                                                      • 3893

                                                      #126
                                                      I have a feeling this thread isnt going away

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                                                      • TheSwed
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                                                        • Feb 2004
                                                        • 3483

                                                        #127
                                                        Originally posted by Evil1
                                                        I have a feeling this thread isnt going away
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                                                        • High Plains Drifter
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                                                          • Jun 2005
                                                          • 2341

                                                          #128
                                                          Originally posted by will76

                                                          Don't feed the trolls. Anyone that can believe that Zango's traffic is . 05% US based traffic when they only really pay for us traffic is a moron.

                                                          Zango .05% US TRAFFIC LMAO LOLOLOL

                                                          He's saying that 1 in every 2000 US surfers has Zango installed.

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                                                          • monro
                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                            • Dec 2002
                                                            • 787

                                                            #129
                                                            Originally posted by High Plains Drifter
                                                            He's saying that 1 in every 2000 US surfers has Zango installed.
                                                            For me it is 4% as I target the keywords used by AFF etc.

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                                                            • SpeakEasy
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                                                              • Sep 2002
                                                              • 2681

                                                              #130
                                                              Traffichog, Lars, Liar whatever you want to call yourself today, the general public wants answers for the AFF/Cams cheating, thieving acts they are pulling. At this time nobody gives a rats ass about you trying to spin this to a will76 issue, that can be done in a separate thread at a spearate time. As of right now Legendary Liar, Sagi the troll have been caught and proven to be this years #1 cheaters and thieves, and the public want's answers now!!!
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                                                              • marko13
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                                                                • Apr 2004
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                                                                #131
                                                                very good answers so far....
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                                                                • monro
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                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                  • 787

                                                                  #132
                                                                  Originally posted by monro
                                                                  For me it is 4% as I target the keywords used by AFF etc.
                                                                  Of course I meant 4% of the surfers visiting my domains. Sorry.

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                                                                  • will76
                                                                    Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash
                                                                    • May 2003
                                                                    • 18037

                                                                    #133
                                                                    Originally posted by High Plains Drifter
                                                                    He's saying that 1 in every 2000 US surfers has Zango installed.

                                                                    The USA population just surpased 300 million. Zango clains to have 20 million active users. Not all of the 20 million is US users but most of them have to be since Zango only really pays on US installs. I am sure everyone installing it is targeting US traffic. Only about 200 million of the US population gets online (from shit i read).

                                                                    I would say that more like 10% of the US computers have zango on it. However if you get traffic from around the world, the percentage of people with it that hit your sites will be lower then that.
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                                                                    • will76
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                                                                      #134
                                                                      bump for your answers....
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                                                                      • rounders
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                                                                        #135
                                                                        everything going downhill...
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                                                                        • jesse_adultdatingdollars
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                                                                          #136
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                                                                          • lucky1
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                                                                            • Sep 2005
                                                                            • 309

                                                                            #137
                                                                            I have been busy and have not had the time to check this thread for a couple more days. I hoped to find the answers that I was looking for, but instead I come back and find this shit.

                                                                            Lets get one thing straight I could care less about any other company besides AFF/Cams right now. I said before that since they are #1 and have admitted to directly purchasing traffic from Zango that they must take the first hit. If AFF/Cams ever stop directly supporting zango I will congratulate them and move on to the next company that supports zango. This is not personal. I don't want to see any harm come to Lars or him to go broke. I just want AFF/Cams to stop using zango and other "scumware".

                                                                            I am also aware that zango is not the only company out there that does this shit. I am of the opinion that zango should be dealt with first and when they stop taking money out of the pockets of hard working webmasters (and even the shady/dishonest webmasters too) then I will move on to the next company.

                                                                            Someone (I won't mention any names) came into my thread (yes mine not Will's) and tried to start up the spin machine once again. I addressed that in the beginning of my original post. I said that people have turned this whole issue into a kindergarten argument and avoided the important questions. That is why I posted serious questions I would like answers to.

                                                                            I still haven't got my questions answered. All I have gotten is silence from the people who I want to hear from, and bullshit spin from someone who should stay the fuck out of my thread.

                                                                            Something to think about.....
                                                                            Why will Aff/Cams/Lars not answer these questions? They are straight forward and serious.
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                                                                            • will76
                                                                              Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash
                                                                              • May 2003
                                                                              • 18037

                                                                              #138
                                                                              We all know the people you want answers from will not show up and post UNLESS it will help them to do so. Say Lars and crew found out that you sent traffic to sexsearch. THEN they would come here and post up a storm. They wouldn't be responding to your questions but they would be trying to smear you.
                                                                              That is what they did with me. Over the last 2 months Lars has made a hand full of posts about zango. 1 was the "possition statement" which his lawyer wrote. Two or three times he made posts that insulted everyone else. He made about a dozen posts making excuses why they "had" to use zango. In the thread where he was trying to bash me, he posted more times then all of those others times over the previous 6 weeks combined. An all out assault from him and his employees responding to the zango issue by trying to attack me because they said clickcash was doing it. Now it's been a week, and they haven't posted at all.

                                                                              If they show up here (and I think they have under a fake nic) it is not going to be to answer questions but to either attack you, discredit you, or spin the whole thread.
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                                                                              • monro
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                                                                                • Dec 2002
                                                                                • 787

                                                                                #139
                                                                                Bump again for attention

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                                                                                • monro
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                                                                                  • 787

                                                                                  #140
                                                                                  Originally posted by TrafficHog
                                                                                  It's common knowledge that Zango is 0.05% of the US surfers. Then, you take the popups, which don't occur every site you browse, that are only clicked on 15% of the time. In the end you are looking an EXTREMELEY small amount..

                                                                                  I am not AFF. I don't know if they have a problem with their database and chargebacks. Check with them.
                                                                                  We are talking about AFF - Zango, TrafficHog = AFF Support!

                                                                                  We have AFF related keywords, 4% of our visitors are Zango infected.
                                                                                  Now I redirect them to a special account, and as one can image, it is high quality traffic with high sign-up ratio! Stolen by AFF before and still stolen from those not having protext script installed. Think of it! You must protect yourself against your own sponsor!!!!

                                                                                  Theft is theft, don't you try to try to excuse yourselves!

                                                                                  Last edited by monro; 11-24-2006, 10:33 PM.

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                                                                                  • lucky1
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                                                                                    • Sep 2005
                                                                                    • 309

                                                                                    #141
                                                                                    Originally posted by lucky1
                                                                                    Is Zango a problem in the adult industry as a whole?

                                                                                    Is theft on any level whether it is 20% or .0001% acceptable?

                                                                                    Do you bid on url's of other companies?

                                                                                    Does Zango pop up a page or window over a site thus possibly taking away traffic from the original site?

                                                                                    Why do you use zango if it is such a small portion of your traffic and income?

                                                                                    Are you doing anything to stop zango and if so what?
                                                                                    I'll give AFF/Cams the benefit of the doubt that they didn't see these questions and give them another chance to answer them.
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                                                                                    • Evil1
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                                                                                      • Mar 2002
                                                                                      • 3893

                                                                                      #142
                                                                                      it's fucking cold out!

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                                                                                      • Dirty Dane
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                                                                                        • Feb 2004
                                                                                        • 9491

                                                                                        #143
                                                                                        Zango sucks. Period.

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                                                                                        • will76
                                                                                          Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash
                                                                                          • May 2003
                                                                                          • 18037

                                                                                          #144
                                                                                          Originally posted by lucky1
                                                                                          I'll give AFF/Cams the benefit of the doubt that they didn't see these questions and give them another chance to answer them.
                                                                                          maybe you should start a thread like marc did with his hoes.com stats. Show AFF #1 and Cams #2 and you will have the whole AFF crew posting in that thread. Then there would be no way they could miss your questions
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                                                                                          • u-Bob
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                                                                                            • 33063

                                                                                            #145
                                                                                            Originally posted by Dirty Dane
                                                                                            Zango sucks. Period.
                                                                                            true .

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                                                                                            • lucky1
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                                                                                              • Sep 2005
                                                                                              • 309

                                                                                              #146
                                                                                              Still no answers?

                                                                                              I am beginning to think that if AFF/Cams answers these questions it will not make them look good. Maybe that is why they aren't answering them.

                                                                                              I could be wrong though.
                                                                                              Hopefully they will answer these questions so I can officially know that they aren't stealing traffic.
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                                                                                              • TheSwed
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                                                                                                #147
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