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I don't use ICQ anymore.Comment
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So much for my intentions being a good reason, there has to be an alteramotive right ?
If I was a board whore I would have found another issue a long time ago to crying about.
Here is some info for you. I am not promoting anything. I keep missing the big sig in my banner. How am I " increasing my own personal revenue" from this?
If somoene who has contacted me in the last couple months about me helping them with clickcash is reading this please post what my reply to you was. I have turned down everyone who has contacted me. I have not made 1 penny from referral sales from this, muchless was I even promoting anything in the first place. I have made zero from this if you feel so strongly surely you can find 1 person who can say otherwise. Find 1 shread of proof that i have made 1 penny from this zango shit and I will stop posting now.
I await your reply.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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you'll see me bitching in a lot of the threads but i have nothing to gain, no program to promote. pop unders are very different, first off they pop UNDER. people usually won't see them until they close the window they are already looking at.second, its pretty obvious you've been talking to Lars and buying into what hes feeding you, so how is that any different than people buying into what will is saying? by your logic you're just a sheep on the other side of the fence.you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..Comment
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Actually untrue have not talked to BoyAlly on phone icq or email of any sort.
Will is pimping up his board presence, so he can be a bigshot, plain and simple his attacks on me and my company have gone above and beyond anything reasonable, and that was pointed out to me by a lot of people at teh trade show.Comment
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How can one even compare Zango and TGPs or pop-unders?
Zango. Bid on keywords. When a person with Zango installed on their computer crosses a site with those keywords on it, they receive ad of the highest bidders choosing. Note: the ad is not placed on the site and the site creator does not receive commission for ad nor does he give permission for ad to be placed.
Pop-unders. I own a site. My site gets traffic. I decide to monitize said traffic so *I* profit from *MY* site and *MY* traffic. I add pop-under to *MY* site. I was nice enough to give myself permission.
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I've never spoken to Lars, or anyone else from AFF for that matter, before. In any medium. Ever.
I've been watching Will76's dramas for a long time now, and felt the need to chip in my two gay pennies about it all.
Secondly, anyone that knows me, knows that I'm a free thinker and am not one to "buy into" things that are "fed to me".
Teh BoyAlley is not a goat.Comment
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and btw lars, of course people are going to side with you in person, you are wealthy and have money to offer them...people in this biz bow to those above them like they are gods or somethingComment
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$125 a sign up sure does buy a lot of convention dick suckin doesn't it?Comment
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First off, I'm not inspector gadget. My job isn't to hunt down empirical proof.
You profit off of one of Lars' competitors, in fact that appears to be how you earn your living.
You've been make a non-stop big ass deal out of Lars being an evil son of a bitch.
1 + 1 = ?
For that matter, I've yet to see you show emphatically that any of AFF's affiliates have been losing significant income due to Zango? In fact, I've seen SEVERAL large AFF affiliates post the exact opposite?
In fact, to be totally blunt, most of the "affiliates" on here that I've seen bitching are ones that look to only send a half dozen sales to anything in a given week. Waaay to small to be able to trend anything to begin with.Comment
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The ones who have known me for a long time, yes in fact they did.
I am not a mean or spitefull person, even when someone goes on an all out crusade against me. I just see things differently is all. Will is entitled to his opinion as are you.
In fact they many said it was humorous I was taking so much heat, because in the past I have been against spam dialers and all kinds of other shady stuff that goes on in this biz, and I left piles and pile and piles of cash on the table due to my own moral issues. I just see things differently here than some. I dont fault them for seeing things different than I do.Comment
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Milton Friedman died today. One of the things I most admired about him was that he never publicly questioned the motives of anyone who disagreed with him. He treated everyone with respect and always argued the issues solely on their merits as he perceived them.
It's a copout to fall back on attacking the messenger, because the message exists as a separate entity. It is either valid or it is not, regardless of who delivered it or why they did so.
You convicted yourself, regardless of anything Will posted before or since and regardless of his reasons for taking up this issue. As to "above and beyond": you are on here several times a day, rubbing everyone's nose in what you have admitted to doing and you are still doing it. If you were smarter, you might pay less attention to those who tell you what you want to hear...Last edited by jayeff; 11-16-2006, 06:19 PM.Comment
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I am really going to get into the Zango fight, I don't know the full details
BUT, wasn't there one screenshot that showed xxxJay losing money directly from Zango?
and when you make hundreds of sign ups at $125 a pop, and 10-15% dissappear, it isn't that noticeable.....isn't that what was projected for zango users? 10-15%?Comment
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i have read alot of these threads about lars, zango, will etc etc/// this industry eats itself daily.. and will eventually consume itself.. as far as what boyalley wrote.i think its a great read and by looking for wills posts he started with the whole spyware thing around april, and blew up in oct. will i have never contacted him but after doing a lil snooping around i found a few threads that where a good read
to you fuckers who make $$ installing shit on people's PC's.
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=594702
What is the best way to contact LARS (trigger words - CAMS - AFF - Friend Finder ;)
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=644843
why?
and regarding aff and lars.. i promote aff but it is not my main source of income.. some of the other companies i have worked with or for have used such program namely 180solutions to them it is strictly business.. they would focus on their major competition.. to them its just big boys playing with bigger budgets then alot of us..
i haven't used zango, but did use 180solutions, personally and for clients, did it convert.. yes it did..GooSearch Real Text Ads Without The Drama
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You took the time to post this so I am going to take the time reply to your concerns, suspicisions, acusations, etc...
You don't need to be gay to run your mouth
I do not promote AFF, well i sent them a little traffic for like a month well over a year ago. I know you are relativly new in adult (at least i think i remember you saying that a while back) so I will explain to you how this works. When someone clicks on the link on my site that says " signup here", and they have zango on their computer, instead of see my ifriends signup page the person will have an Cams.com page pop up instantly over my ifriends signup page. This person does not know ifriends,what it looks like, etc.. they think the cams.com page is what I was just selling them about and they think that is the site/page I intended to send them to. SO if i did a good job selling my traffic, which I paid for, using my bandwidth, on my site, then I just got them to signup to cams.com because lars used zango to hijack my traffic. So, do you understand how this is costing me money even though I am not an AFF affiliate. Lars targets ifriends url a lot. Most zango popups for ifriends go to cams.com.Originally posted by BoyAlley
Originally posted by BoyAlley
I have already addressed this a few posts up. Since the hurricane last year I have taken on very very few TCC members. While I apologize to the ones I have turned down (especially those of you i did not reply back to, i feel bad for not having replied back to everyone), I hope one or two of you can post here explaining to this guy that you contacted me and I turned you down. Since I have been posting about zango I haven't had anyone signup and I have helped no one, therefore I have made ZERO affiliate sales. Find one person to say otherwise, just one please and prove me wrong.
I think you are a sheep and 100% wrong on everything you had to say. You are being misslead and have no basis other then suspicions based off of what Lars has been feeding you. If you really cared enough about this issue, and I suspect you do since you wrote a book, then I am curious why you have not contacted me and asked me these questions yourself.Originally posted by BoyAlley Makes one wonder if you have an agenda here and if you don't then I expect an apology or proof of your allegations... not a threat like I am going to get you banned, but man to man, you just said a lot of inaccurate shit, can you stand by what you said with proof or be a man and apologize ?
awaiting your reply.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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i truely don't think will is doing this for signups, i think, like me, he gets into the heat of the moment and whoever he is going after gets in his line of sight and he won't stop until they cower or stop doing what they are doing
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PWN3D like Michael Jackson on his first day in prison.Comment
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BoyAlley it really sucks to see you post this. You have proven that you have a lot of pull and are the kind of person that can raise awareness about a problem. That?s exactly the kind of person that could help make people aware of what is really happening.
Here is my thinking on this issue. I don't know Will or Lars personally, but I think I know enough to have an educated opinion. Will said that he saw zango in action and what it was doing. If I am correct Will makes over 7 figures a year as an affiliate for ifriends. After seeing Zango in action and then hearing how many users they have, Will was upset that he was loosing a nice amount of money. Now to someone making a thousand dollars a year the small percentage of surfers using zango would probably be very insignificant, but to someone making the kind of money Will makes, that loss is substantially higher.
If you were loosing thousands of dollars because someone was interfering with your traffic, and you knew it would just keep getting worse, what would you do about it?
I think Will had two option, join the darkside and use zango (probably very profitable for him, more so than making a stink about it on a board to try and "get more affiliates under him") or try to make enough noise that people would be outraged and try to stop zango.
Will chose option two and has not even mentioned Team Click Cash until other people bring it up.
What a lot of people don't realize is that the people who are dumb enough to install (aka get infected) with Zango are also the people that are too dumb to realize that they can get all the porn they want for free through p2p, torrents, ect. We are loosing are best customers if zango gets to them first.
With the continued growth of torrent sites, p2p networks, and the likes of Zango where will our industry be in a few years?
I think if Will took the time to improve his business instead of posting on GFY and researching Zango he would make more money. So the only reason I am left with is Will doesn't want to have people steal his hard earned traffic, and is willing to complain (and in some peoples opinion make an ass out of himself) in order to keep making money in this industry while still having morals and honesty.
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First off, you couldn't get me banned if you wanted to. I suck waaaaaaaaay too many breeder dicks around here for that to happen.
And I'm gay, so you KNOW i'm good at it.
Secondly, you promote and profit directly and in fact make your living from one of Lars' major competitors. I don't think anything that I've said drawing a correlation between that, and your OBSESSION over him and his operation, is inaccurate at all.
You think Lars is an evil somsbitch, and I think you have financial motivations to bash him non stop. We're both entitled to those opinions.
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Bingo, if Will had underhanded motives in order to promote Clickcash, why has he never hyped them in any of his Zango threads. Anyone following the board over the last six months would have noticed that Will has hardly even mentioned Clickcash or his program like he did last year.
Boy Alley, Zango was getting major heat from mainstream affiliates well before Will brought it to the attention of the gfy community."WTF, on google you can find the answer to every question in human history, EXCEPT how to convert cams..
Its crazy..."
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If i was driven by humanitarian motiviations then I would be trying to find a cue for homosexuality and rid the world of gays... of course I am just kiding and I knwo my gay friends will get a good laugh at that.
I am not trying to save the world, I care about money... period. My intentions are money motivated, but not like you think, I am not trying to steal leach off of anyone, I am trying to keep them from doing this to me. I hope you can understand the difference.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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You did, because most certainly the surfer signs up using the Zango window, which is focused over yours.
That's the whole issue, it doesn't matter if cookies or session IDs are overwritten.
Surfers are simple, they think the window in their face is the one to use to sign up, simple as that.
To everyone here that is shooting the messenger - Will76 in this case, think about this:
Would you be cool with Sponsors popping a join window for their own program with their Affiliate-ID / no Affiliate-ID over YOUR window with your ID ?
This is the WHOLE issue summed up in a few words.
Oh and if you're cool with this behaviour - shoot me an ICQ, I'll give you my affiliate codes to pop over yours - for free of course... got the idea now?
Just my
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ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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man you digging a hole fast. Keep it up Lars every asshole post like that you help fire up 10 more people that hate you and your company. Keep it up. Good job.
BTW, note to Lars. When something doesn't work when jimthefiend does it, I don't think it is going to work for you.
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since clickcash is still letting webmasters use adware, when will you stop sending them traffic will?-sean
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btw... zango will not allow you to buy traffic to pop over aff/cams, etc..
i know of several dating programs that are going through the legal process of having their trademarked names removed from zangos bid list.
if companies are smart they will do the same.
that is ultimately the best way to put a stop to all of this.
i understand the position of do it to them before they do it to us....
with that being said, aff is in a catch 22... i think people are starting to think that this is a war between will and aff.... its not... its a war against adware and we should not lose site of that because its only going to get worse...Comment
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