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  • crockett
    in a van by the river
    • May 2003
    • 76818

    #1

    Business Of all the useless TLDs

    With all the tens of dozens of useless TLDs, why is it you think nothing ever became mainstream outside of the .com?

    I realize that the obvious .org, .net, .gov have their places and some countries have managed to have localized site become popular like .de , co.uk and so on, but overall not much success has come from TLD's outside of the .com for general usage.

    Any thoughts on why no other TLD has been able to get on a level playing field with the .com? I mean not even .net is anywhere close and it's been around forever and was used by many ISP's for example in the early days of the internet but still nothing has ever even made a dent in the .com TLD status as top dog.
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  • polipie
    Confirmed User
    • Jun 2012
    • 81

    #2
    .io has something going in IT industry

    .be is very mainstream in Belgium
    .nl for The Netherlands etc.
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    • candyflip
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      • Jul 2002
      • 43073

      #3
      I think .XYZ is the one to beat them all.

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      • crockett
        in a van by the river
        • May 2003
        • 76818

        #4
        Originally posted by polipie
        .io has something going in IT industry

        .be is very mainstream in Belgium
        .nl for The Netherlands etc.
        Yes, I also noticed a bit of a .io surge with start ups.. but not sure whats going on with that.

        .nl is like .de just a regional success, but nothing really but a blip o the radar compared to .com
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        • MiamiBoyz
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          • Oct 2012
          • 6688

          #5
          If anything I think that eventually dot anything is going away. Let's face it. You type in a word with no dot extension and you get the .com at the top of the listing in most cases with most search engines.

          The average JOE only knows .com and is in the habit of typing .com without even thinking about it when putting in a url. That's why they are more valuable and also why .xxx failed.

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          • mineistaken
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            • Apr 2007
            • 29656

            #6
            Originally posted by crockett
            some countries have managed to have localized site become popular like .de , co.uk and so on
            Not some, but all countries. In each country local extension is more popular than com.

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            • CaptainHowdy
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              • Dec 2004
              • 94108

              #7
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              • InfoGuy
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                • Apr 2010
                • 3052

                #8
                Originally posted by mineistaken
                Not some, but all countries. In each country local extension is more popular than com.
                ccTLDs are more popular except in the US.
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                • InfoGuy
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                  • Apr 2010
                  • 3052

                  #9
                  Originally posted by crockett
                  With all the tens of dozens of useless TLDs, why is it you think nothing ever became mainstream outside of the .com?

                  I realize that the obvious .org, .net, .gov have their places and some countries have managed to have localized site become popular like .de , co.uk and so on, but overall not much success has come from TLD's outside of the .com for general usage.

                  Any thoughts on why no other TLD has been able to get on a level playing field with the .com? I mean not even .net is anywhere close and it's been around forever and was used by many ISP's for example in the early days of the internet but still nothing has ever even made a dent in the .com TLD status as top dog.
                  Big business has spent billions of dollars branding their .com sites. There is no advantage for them to switch to some upstart TLD.
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                  • blackmonsters
                    Making PHP work
                    • Nov 2002
                    • 21048

                    #10
                    The whole concept is based on buyers thinking they can get more traffic with a good name but there are no more good .com names.
                    "Good names" means "type-in traffic" to these buyers. So they think!

                    But the good names on .xyz never gets the type-ins so the fantasy is always a bust.

                    I don't want to buy xyz.net if someone already established xyz.com because I think I'm just confusing my own brand.
                    Good luck.



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                    • crockett
                      in a van by the river
                      • May 2003
                      • 76818

                      #11
                      Originally posted by blackmonsters
                      The whole concept is based on buyers thinking they can get more traffic with a good name but there are no more good .com names.
                      "Good names" means "type-in traffic" to these buyers. So they think!

                      But the good names on .xyz never gets the type-ins so the fantasy is always a bust.

                      I don't want to buy xyz.net if someone already established xyz.com because I think I'm just confusing my own brand.
                      did you know there actually is a .xyz
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                      • Barry-xlovecam
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                        • freecartoonporn
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                          • Jan 2012
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                          #13
                          its pure business ./
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                          • TheDA
                            Confirmed User
                            • May 2006
                            • 4665

                            #14
                            Originally posted by MiamiBoyz
                            If anything I think that eventually dot anything is going away. Let's face it. You type in a word with no dot extension and you get the .com at the top of the listing in most cases with most search engines.

                            The average JOE only knows .com and is in the habit of typing .com without even thinking about it when putting in a url. That's why they are more valuable and also why .xxx failed.
                            That's not generally the case for me. A lot depends on the country the surfer is in, the tld of the SE I think also. In most cases for me, if I'm in the UK it is the .co.uk version that comes up top for me. If I am in Japan it is the .co.jp.
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                            • Barry-xlovecam
                              It's 42
                              • Jun 2010
                              • 18083

                              #15
                              Why the fuss?

                              Originally posted by freecartoonporn
                              its pure business ./
                              Of course it's business ... When awarded, these new registries must provide registry services, https://www.icann.org/resources/page...-2014-01-29-en DNSSEC schemas, protection of the DNS, and of course marketing to registrars and the public at large -- bottom line the startup costs are $2 million +. So, there is a substantial investment here. The are also financial responsibilities considered by ICANN.

                              There is no evil intent in the new gTLDs. The new gTLDs are about opening up name space accross multiple TLDs. And of course, making money in the process.

                              Think of the scenario of these new extensions like this: Many individuals (or entities) can register the same name as a DBA in many counties of a state and incorporate the same name in different states. This is just a regulatory schema and has nothing to do with branding, and legally: everything to do with trademark. Domain names are very similar in schema, each registry acting as the local governing body, ICANN being the world Internet name governing body -- that is ICAAN's charter as a NGO is in essence. One main difference, domain name ''court'' being binding arbitration in the matters of dispute resolution, with trademark being one of three factors that the complaint must establish or overcome in order to prevail.

                              I am not aware of any registry going bankrupt so the name holders interests haven't been jeopardized. There have been a few registrars go belly up but their customer accounts in the end were transfered to other registrars.

                              So, what is the problem really?

                              The days of modern browsers defaulting to a .com extension, notwithstanding the user's history library containing that name, are long over ... The browser defaults to the search engine that is its default. So, that fallacy is immaterial.

                              I think a lot of the fuss is fear of the revaluation of all the domain names held in investment speculation -- too bad every dog has his day.

                              The other objection is name value dilution. The domain names making you money may be jeopardized by this -- that is a fair argument. However, if the name you used was making you enough money, you would have spent the few thousand to trademark that name that you do business under, guaranteeing your exclusivity, then it would be protected from registration by others in these new gTLDs.

                              If you somehow branded the .com part of you business name on the Internet: Verisign thanks you ... Verisign is who owns the .com gTLD in your name you lease -- not you!

                              Is the glass half full or half empty? The players are going to play and the whiners will continue to whine -- nothing new about that ...

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                              • bigwebenterprises
                                So Fucking Banned
                                • Feb 2007
                                • 131

                                #16
                                You can make something out of anything. I'd personally like a .con extension or .not and so on but I'm a dreamer.

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                                • candyflip
                                  Carpe Visio
                                  • Jul 2002
                                  • 43073

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by crockett
                                  did you know there actually is a .xyz
                                  Move over .com - .xyz is for the next generation of the internet!!!


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                                  • freecartoonporn
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                                    • Jan 2012
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by candyflip
                                    Move over .com - .xyz is for the next generation of the internet!!!


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                                    • candyflip
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                                      • Jul 2002
                                      • 43073

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by freecartoonporn

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                                      • InfoGuy
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                                        • Apr 2010
                                        • 3052

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
                                        I am not aware of any registry going bankrupt so the name holders interests haven't been jeopardized.
                                        Tralliance, the registry for .travel nearly went bankrupt in 2007. Of course, when .travel was first released, there was plenty of propaganda about how big the travel industry would be and how .travel would capture a lion's share of the travel industry's business.

                                        It's going to be the same shit show with all these other new TLDs. Now they are pounding the table about huge potential opportunities and in a few years, you're going to hear crickets.
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                                        • RummyBoy
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                                          • Dec 2009
                                          • 2157

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by crockett
                                          nothing has ever even made a dent in the .com TLD status as top dog.
                                          Two words: Critical Mass

                                          The point is once .com became the standard that was it.
                                          Now, as you said .org and .net have their place.

                                          But if you take a .net and build a site on it, approximately 15% of your traffic in the long haul will be lost to people who forget your extension - because when they do, by default they will always assume its .com

                                          In China .cn
                                          In India .in (in time will replace .co.in)
                                          In UK .uk (in time will replace .co.uk)

                                          But wherever your locality is, it is essential to have the dot com FIRST. In the above three, people always go for dot com first and country code extension second.

                                          If you dont have the .com you're building your house on shaky foundations. And when the thing comes tumbling down, there's a shack up the street full of labourers who are waiting for the job youre gonna hand them. They'll also be happy to empty your pockets.

                                          And thats why you always build on dot com - if not dont, someone else is eating your lunch.
                                          Last edited by RummyBoy; 06-20-2014, 10:33 AM.

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                                          • Barry-xlovecam
                                            It's 42
                                            • Jun 2010
                                            • 18083

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by InfoGuy
                                            Tralliance, the registry for .travel nearly(*weak argument) went bankrupt in 2007. Of course, when .travel was first released, there was plenty of propaganda about how big ...
                                            It's going to be the same shit show with all these other new TLDs. Now they are pounding the table about huge potential opportunities and in a few years,...
                                            Don't buy in then -- you can laugh at all of us in 3 years ( or lament ) ... No skin in the game no loss or gain ...

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                                            • Barry-xlovecam
                                              It's 42
                                              • Jun 2010
                                              • 18083

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by RummyBoy
                                              [A]nd thats why you always build on dot com - if not dont, someone else is eating your lunch.
                                              Or Trademark your name. We own our name in many of the old gTLDs and many ccTLDs -- now our trademarks prevent just what you imply -- no one can register our name in the new gTLDS.
                                              When you rely on keyword generic names that cannot be trademarked you will always be on someone's lunch menu.

                                              Life is a shit sandwich -- the more bread you have the less shit you have to eat I guess ... Relying on a common law trademark when any real branding (or income) is involved is lunacy.
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