Just for the Record.

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

We have not cut off paying our affiliates. If you don't have Facts, please don't accuse us of it. As most of you know, you can get banned for it.

Get your facts right.

[Ethersync]

Well, get your story straight.

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

Well, get your story straight.

email me your account number.

[LeRoy]

Some people are putting you on their scammers list already.

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

Some people are putting you on their scammers list already.

I've been called worse things.

[LeRoy]

I've been called worse things.

Yah you'll be ok

[Ethersync]

email me your account number.

After all your threats to me? I think I'll pass...

I hope you Die in your sleep tonight bitch.

And for the record:

First...

We HAVE NOT cut off paying everyone. We have cut off a few webmasters, (Not that many) due to the fact of abusing our system.

Then...

We don't owe that many people much money, its very little. Maybe a handful. It's people that have not updated their sites in years...

Now...

If you don't know the facts, please stay out of it. We never stopped paying our affiliates.

[BlackCrayon]

bad times at cyberage high

[will76]

We have not cut off paying our affiliates. If you don't have Facts, please don't accuse us of it. As most of you know, you can get banned for it.

Get your facts right.

Dave are you ok??

Besides the several people posting here saying that they either haven't been paid, can't log into their accounts, etc... YOU posted the following explanation of why YOU weren't paying some affiliates:

We don't owe that many people much money, its very little. Maybe a handful. It's people that have not updated their sites in years, most of them have dead links and never cared to update their sites and they make our links pages look bad. We have paid out Millions without having to make a sale. The free ride is over and we are focusing on webmasters that are keeping their sites updated, making new sales every month and dedicated on using our services.

Why did you change your sig? You also said the decission to not pay some people was your partners and not yours. Are you part of the company or not ? Did you get fired ?

[96ukssob]

congrats to the winners

[dropped9]

oh boy, this thread is going to deliver!!!

[fatfoo]

Good luck getting the evidence that you need.

[u-Bob]

Dave,

Just for the record, we have never done business, but based on the recent threads (started both by others and yourself), your posts about cutting of people "that have not updated their sites in years" and the almost aggressive tone of your posts in response to what every webmaster who is serious about his business would consider valid questions I doubt I'll ever do business with you in the future.

</constructive criticism>

[kristin]

I think some of us are just a bit confused by your statements as they somewhat contradict each other.

Will you still be the contact at Tri-Tech/Cyberage?

[Evil Chris]

I better get caught up on this one.

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

After all your threats to me? I think I'll pass...



And for the record:

First...



Then...



Now...

Just wanted to keep you on your feet
I already know who you are.

[signupdamnit]

We have not cut off paying our affiliates. If you don't have Facts, please don't accuse us of it. As most of you know, you can get banned for it.

Get your facts right.

http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17770844&postcount=1
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17770894&postcount=12
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17770923&postcount=15
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17507105&postcount=1
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17515312&postcount=7
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17627311&postcount=11
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17765685&postcount=16
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17663481&postcount=1
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17765690&postcount=12

But if you mean that you are going to pay (or already have) all these people as well as anyone else having issues then I say that's great news and think you should be applauded for making the right decision in the end. Can you confirm you will pay everyone now?

[Phoenix]

interesting times...quality control is one thing

but if you owe them money...you owe them money

cut them off is up to you...but i think you need to pay them out

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17770844&postcount=1
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17770894&postcount=12
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17770923&postcount=15
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17507105&postcount=1
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17515312&postcount=7
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17627311&postcount=11
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17765685&postcount=16
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17663481&postcount=1
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17765690&postcount=12

But if you mean that you are going to pay (or already have) all these people as well as anyone else having issues then I say that's great news and think you should be applauded for making the right decision in the end. Can you confirm you will pay everyone now?

We can't pay people that don't follow the terms by making sure their site is up and updated.

It's not that hard, if you have a dead URL, click edit and add a new one.

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

interesting times...quality control is one thing

but if you owe them money...you owe them money

cut them off is up to you...but i think you need to pay them out

Best thing every said. I agree, if they no longer want to put the effort into their sites.
They should tell us and we would pay them out.

[quiet]

just pay out EVERYONE you OWE money to, and be done with it. jesus.

[signupdamnit]

We can't pay people that don't follow the terms by making sure their site is up and updated.

It's not that hard, if you have a dead URL, click edit and add a new one.

Assuming this is true, why were they not informed of this? I mean aren't most of these people webmasters who have done business with you for many years? I see one or two claiming they actually spoke to people on the phone. The messages date back months. I'll give you some credit that I have seen reports that some people are being paid though.

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

Assuming this is true, why were they not informed of this? I mean aren't most of these people webmasters who have done business with you for many years? I see one or two claiming they actually spoke to people on the phone. The messages date back months. I'll give you some credit that I have seen reports that some people are being paid though.

We try, but after 10 years, people change their email addresses and there is no way of contacting them. No updates, no contact info and dead links. Why is that fair to us.

[PornoMonster]

Best thing every said. I agree, if they no longer want to put the effort into their sites.
They should tell us and we would pay them out.

Am I missing something?
You say these people have out dated sites, but are still making you money, and you wont pay them now?
You know how many sites / companies are going out of business these days, the amount of dead links on some affiliates network of servers would need a full time person to change dead links.
I do not know what your Business is, but this does NOT make sense to me.

Sites not in motion .... lol

[signupdamnit]

We try, but after 10 years, people change their email addresses and there is no way of contacting them. No updates, no contact info and dead links. Why is that fair to us.

But they called your staff on the phone. They sent e-mails. They posted here in some cases over and over again. And how does it work anyway? Do all their sites have to be dead or are you closing accounts and not paying for people who have hundreds of valid sites but one or two dead links? Come on, make this one right. Don't stiff people who have helped you build your business over the last decade. These webmasters faithfully promoted you under revshare terms. You're not like this, are you?

[Roald]

just pay out EVERYONE you OWE money to, and be done with it. jesus.

but but but but what would be the fun in that?

[~Ray]

glad everyone got paid.

[JFK]

I better get caught up on this one.

better late than never

[ottopottomouse]

This is going to be one of those threads that I completely miss overnight and will be 9 pages by tomorrow

[cherrylula]

just pay out EVERYONE you OWE money to, and be done with it. jesus.

yeah cause it's not that much money right? lol

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

But they called your staff on the phone. They sent e-mails. They posted here in some cases over and over again. And how does it work anyway? Do all their sites have to be dead or are you closing accounts and not paying for people who have hundreds of valid sites but one or two dead links? Come on, make this one right. Don't stiff people who have helped you build your business over the last decade. These webmasters faithfully promoted you under revshare terms. You're not like this, are you?

Good questions..
All your sites need to be updated and working. If they are not, the staff will try and contact you. If you don't reply or we get a bounced email. Most likely you are one of the handfuls that got cut off.

[cherrylula]

Best thing every said. I agree, if they no longer want to put the effort into their sites.
They should tell us and we would pay them out.

So because they didn't "tell you," you decide to burn them and not pay you?... but you would have if they told you? lol

omg lol

[Fat Panda]

another death spiral

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

So because they didn't "tell you," you decide to burn them and not pay you?... but you would have if they told you? lol

omg lol

Can you say that again in English, sorry.

[kristin]

Good questions..
All your sites need to be updated and working. If they are not, the staff will try and contact you. If you don't reply or we get a bounced email. Most likely you are one of the handfuls that got cut off.

Did you check the referring URLs or just the one the WM lists in the admin?

[Bryan G]

If you owe money just pay them already. The last two days it looks like you've lost the plot man.

[quiet]

If you owe money just pay them already. The last two days it looks like you've lost the plot man.

no doubt.

[cherrylula]

Can you say that again in English, sorry.

This doesn't involve me, but I sure am glad I didn't have my avs sites with you right now.

I'm sure a few bucks isn't much to you but it is to some and they'd like their money. This issue sounds really unprofessional and I'll leave it at that. Typical adult shady shit.

Happy Holidays to the weiners.

[Evil Chris]

Hold on... if someone is owed money, that means they must have made sale(s) to justify a + figure in their payout column. If the site is, in fact, dead... or 404, they making a sale is impossible, right?

I will take any number of sales from anyone out there with old, out-dated sites and pages. If they still send joins, I'm good with that and will pay you.

[cherrylula]

Hold on... if someone is owed money, that means they must have made sale(s) to justify a + figure in their payout column. If the site is, in fact, dead... or 404, they making a sale is impossible, right?

I will take any number of sales from anyone out there with old, out-dated sites and pages. If they still send joins, I'm good with that and will pay you.

bingo! This about sums it up.

[quiet]

bingo! This about sums it up.

yup 8 char

[kristin]

Hold on... if someone is owed money, that means they must have made sale(s) to justify a + figure in their payout column. If the site is, in fact, dead... or 404, they making a sale is impossible, right?

I will take any number of sales from anyone out there with old, out-dated sites and pages. If they still send joins, I'm good with that and will pay you.

I think he's holding rebills for those outdated sites.

[lazycash]

We try, but after 10 years, people change their email addresses and there is no way of contacting them. No updates, no contact info and dead links. Why is that fair to us.

Bullshit, you simply choose not to email affiliates when you delete their account and give them some explanation. You don't respond to any affiliate inquiries when they email you as to why they can't login, you just hope they go away. Its a completely unprofessional way of doing business.

So you delete an account because of something as silly as an affiliate not updating their links, you don't inform them that you're doing it or why, you don't allow them to login and you keep whatever earnings they have and you expect us to believe its just business as usual?

[signupdamnit]

Good questions..
All your sites need to be updated and working. If they are not, the staff will try and contact you. If you don't reply or we get a bounced email. Most likely you are one of the handfuls that got cut off.

It didn't effect me. While I do have an account with you (and surprisingly it's still active), nearly a decade ago your staff quit approving my sites for the linked list and never told me why when I inquired. That gave me a bad vibe so I left and used other AVS systems instead. I did quite well with them too until I quit that model. One still sends me nice checks and so I wrote a message two weeks ago here thanking them for their honesty and encouraging people to do business with them. I remember most people used to consider you an honest guy as well once...

[u-Bob]

I think he's holding rebills for those outdated sites.

Some other companies have tried that in the past. Every time it turned into a huge mess for them. A few did the right thing and they are still around. For those that didn't do the right thing it was usually the beginning of the end. As it turned out they only took that route because they were already in trouble...

[MrCain]

Some other companies have tried that in the past. Every time it turned into a huge mess for them. A few did the right thing and they are still around. For those that didn't do the right thing it was usually the beginning of the end. As it turned out they only took that route because they were already in trouble...

And what does that mean for Cyberage?

[dropped9]

[kristin]

And what does that mean for Cyberage?

Depends on how long they will need to rely on WMs.

[cherrylula]

Depends on how long they will need to rely on WMs.

My guess after this is that they don't need new WM's, and will probably not be around much longer.

It's the only explanation when this happens. It's not like we haven't seen it a zillion times already.

The writing is on the wall, as they say.

[xxweekxx]

haha u serious? if someone makes the money, pay them.. using "dead" sites is BS.. u got the sale..

heck im in dozens of mainstream/adult sites.. the original website i used to signup died like 1997, yet i still get paid from these networks.lol