If tubes like pornhub are so great for sponsors then why are sites still closing?

[Dirty F]

500 free videos

[CyberHustler]

[ilnjscb]

Let this be known as the day that resistance to the tubes officially fell. We are in Day One of the New Era.

[Jel]

My experience so far is I can't even open a fucking account lol, timeouts, no confirmation emails, no replies to emails sent about problems. If I ever get to the stage of subbing any vids I'll be chiming back in.

No change so far, no response to my last 2 spankwire emails, or the 2 to the email addy given in this thread - though that *was* to the guy posting it with regards to the xbiz thingo (just manwin tubes with the above quote).

xhamster - 1% banner ctr is about spot on. No real volume though at this early stage, 25k on one vid after 3 days, 11k on another.

porntube - low volume, only 1 vid up for 24 hours (wrong fucking vid uploaded too lol)

[Barefootsies]

No change so far, no response to my last 2 spankwire emails, or the 2 to the email addy given in this thread - though that *was* to the guy posting it with regards to the xbiz thingo (just manwin tubes with the above quote).

xhamster - 1% banner ctr is about spot on. No real volume though at this early stage, 25k on one vid after 3 days, 11k on another.

porntube - low volume, only 1 vid up for 24 hours (wrong fucking vid uploaded too lol)

Interesting.

[Dirty F]

xhamster - 1% banner ctr is about spot on. No real volume though at this early stage, 25k on one vid after 3 days, 11k on another.

Which program of yours did he sign up for? The one in your sig?

[Paul Markham]

I can't decide whether to just bow to your omnipresent genius so you will fade away content with your own absolute amazingness to enjoy the rest of your perfect day being the guru of great marketing and overwhelming sales experience... or school you hard for your abject failure to represent even one small grain of truth.

Let's see...

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm....

Yeah, I think I have to go get my toast out of the toaster so I can butter my bread after I scrape off the slightly burned edges with a dull knife. Then I am going to wipe up the crumbs and throw them in the compost bin. Kind of a metaphor for your career trajectory when I think about it, isn't it?

What were you talking about again?

Nice dodge of my assumptions.

I don't know if you meant what you said. All I know is you said it.

ilnjscb Let this be known as the day that resistance to the tubes officially fell. We are in Day One of the New Era.

Tubes will continue to grow and spring up, there's nothing to stop them. some will be major and some minor. The move towards selling Cams, Dating, Pills, Gambling and what ever else they can find to sell will continue. Supported by recorded porn. some sites will survive. I suspect the big guys will move away more from an affiliates reliant model to an Owned Tube or Partner with Major Tube models, so affiliates will lose income.

Not a prediction, not even breaking news. It's going on.

No change so far, no response to my last 2 spankwire emails, or the 2 to the email addy given in this thread - though that *was* to the guy posting it with regards to the xbiz thingo (just manwin tubes with the above quote).

xhamster - 1% banner ctr is about spot on. No real volume though at this early stage, 25k on one vid after 3 days, 11k on another.

porntube - low volume, only 1 vid up for 24 hours (wrong fucking vid uploaded too lol)

Ultimately it's the content of the video on a Tube that will decide the traffic to your site ratio. Because we've all opened a video and thought "rubbish" and gone back to look at more. That counts as a click. Until the average length of the view is listed no one knows if the viewer looked at the video for 10 seconds or 10 minutes.

Votes, comments and clicks to a site are an indication.

If enough people submit, a trend will reveal itself.

[Jel]

Which program of yours did he sign up for? The one in your sig?

yeah

678

[Jel]

1 sale btw, after ~30k views

[ThePornTubeGuy]

Theporntubeguy, is there a specific reason why you don't want to answer me or did you just misread the question? Thanks.

Hey Dirty F, sorry, I was on vacation till today. I may have misread your previous post, but no, we will not be displaying your custodian of records on our tube site.

[ThePornTubeGuy]

Logic says that a site like orgasm.xxx, that supposedly gets 120 sign ups/day only from tube traffic, is not hard to make, it has mediocre quality girls, good camera but not great, average website, a super competitive/saturated niche like lesbians and teens. The whole site screams "nothing special" but it gets 120 sign ups per day just form tubes? No disrespect to the site owner, kudos to him, I have no website and I am nobody to judge just stating the obvious BUT:

why do tubes not get more support in this thread from program owners who are clearly capable of producing the same type of quality as orgasm.xxx?

The reason that sites like orgasms.xxx DaneJones Lesbea Casting.xxx FakeAgent do so well for Ruseful is because they were created specifically for promotion via the tubes. That means every single video that is uploaded to the tubes is the best possible representation of that site. And these sites are brand new, with the first site being launched in August '11 (Casting.xxx) and September (Orgasms.xxx) then the rest late Dec '11 (Lesbea) and mid Jan '12 for DaneJones and FakeAgent. Every tube specifically edited clip stands up to any scrutiny. They are over 8 minutes, mostly over 10 minutes, and they are all fulfilling clips with a beginning, middle and ending. Content is shot specifically with the tube edit in mind.

You say, this content is not hard to make, and I have written a guide on how to sell a membership to a user of a free tube below. It tells you exactly how Ruseful does it. So, you do really have everything at your disposal to do what Ruseful is doing with the sites, day in-day out.

Yes, I personally own all of the sites I talk about. I created the production company to make use of my knowledge gained from running YouPorn. I am now at PornTube, building another huge tube, doing it all over again.

[derrick1]

We here at FameDollars are partners with Rocco Siffredi and we've been giving 10 minute clips to tube sites like PornTube, XHamster, PornTube and we've seen a steady stream of revenue from both type-ins and banner spots.

I remember when content providers only gave 15 second clips, which then became 2 minute gals and this now seems like the next natural step.

[pimpmaster9000]

You say, this content is not hard to make, and I have written a guide on how to sell a membership to a user of a free tube below. It tells you exactly how Ruseful does it. So, you do really have everything at your disposal to do what Ruseful is doing with the sites, day in-day out.

Yes, I personally own all of the sites I talk about. I created the production company to make use of my knowledge gained from running YouPorn. I am now at PornTube, building another huge tube, doing it all over again.

Ok how confident are you? Enough to guarantee?

How about this:

I will make better content. I will finance it myself. I will submit as much as you tell me in better quality than you did. Better everything. Not turning this in to a dick measuring contest, you have more money than me so you have the bigger dick just stating that I can do this no problem and that I understand exactly what is needed to produce at this level. You will not have to explain shit to me, I have the brains to understand what you did with your sites.

Are you willing to guarantee me 50 sign ups per day in writing with contract in a very reasonable time period just from tubes?

Whats in it for you? Every sale over 50/day goes to you for ever. You said you guys do 120/day easy so this is pure money no work for you. 50 sales/day is more than I need I will not bitch about anything ever if this works out. If I get under 50 sales/day and everything is as stated you have to buy my websites from me for production costs.

What do you say?

[ThePornTubeGuy]

Ok how confident are you? Enough to guarantee?

How about this:

I will make better content. I will finance it myself. I will submit as much as you tell me in better quality than you did. Better everything. Not turning this in to a dick measuring contest, you have more money than me so you have the bigger dick just stating that I can do this no problem and that I understand exactly what is needed to produce at this level. You will not have to explain shit to me, I have the brains to understand what you did with your sites.

Are you willing to guarantee me 50 sign ups per day in writing with contract in a very reasonable time period just from tubes?

Whats in it for you? Every sale over 50/day goes to you for ever. You said you guys do 120/day easy so this is pure money no work for you. 50 sales/day is more than I need I will not bitch about anything ever if this works out. If I get under 50 sales/day and everything is as stated you have to buy my websites from me for production costs.

What do you say?

I take far too many risks investing in my own abilities, so I am not looking to invest in anyone else's right now. However, you are not short of confidence to do bigger better things on your own. If you believe in your own abilities, you don't need me to offer you any guarantees, or to share in your success that will no doubt come.

It sounds like you will be producing content to compete with DaneJones, Passion-HD, X-Art, Met-Art etc. I can tell you, none of those sites are struggling, so if you can produce this type of content, my advice is DO IT!! For more inspiration, have a look at the new site coming online called www.Babes.com . I WILL be one of their first members when the site launches, their content looks OFF THE HOOK. If you launch a site like this, i'll buy a lifetime membership!

Am I worried about a competitor to DaneJones if you produced better content, a better website? Sure, i'd feel the effects, of course. But I know my revenues, and my active member base that I have achieved solely from exposure to the tubes. But with 6 further sites in production, in various niches, that I am rolling out over the next 10-12 months, i'll not lose any sleep.

As people have stated in this thread, the 10% than can produce exceptional content, whatever niche, make bank. It sounds like you are in this 10% already or most certainly should be. Cream rises to the top no matter what industry you are in. Its no different on the tubes. Better content and better edited clips get better ratings, more views. With more views comes more traffic to your own site. Then its down to your ability to convert those visitors into paying members. Feel free to email me jt at porntube dot com and I will give you any advice you care to ask for.

For the record, I get 100-120 new sign ups a day on average this month from the tubes across the all sites my prod co has, not just 1 of the sites. I also get around 100-120 re bills a day right now This is clearly stated in my previous posts.

[ThePornTubeGuy]

In case you were interested in the effects of producing an 8min+ clip over a 5min clip, have a look at these 2 clips that made it onto YouPorn on the 3rd April 12. www.youporn.com/?page=112 They are the same clip, virtually same thumbnail and title. However, 1 BIG difference.


I circled them in RED.

Brunette solo masturbation Length: 08:12, 208,402 views 87% rating
www.youporn.com/watch/7631666

Darkhair solo masturbation on bed Length: 05:17, 82,211 views, 82% rating
www.youporn.com/watch/7686282

FYI, I also circled my videos for that day too, in YELLOW. (Just under 1.2m views $$$)

[Roald]

.....For more inspiration, have a look at the new site coming online called www.Babes.com . I WILL be one of their first members when the site launches, their content looks OFF THE HOOK. If you launch a site like this, i'll buy a lifetime membership!
.....

Can't wait for the beta

[Paul Markham]

That makes sense. 2% of your member area may not be a big deal. 60% might be a big problem. There's probably a point of optimization somewhere. Of course it's all out the window if people have stolen 100% of your member area and it's all over the place. Unless something extraordinary is happening.

I won't repeat what I've been saying but I wonder if some of these people submitting so much content might be sort of digging their own graves deeper and deeper without realizing it.

You're starting from the assumption that a site has unique content. If it has then the response it gets will be different from the 90% who have the same or similar type of cheap porn. Comparing Met Art's success on a Tube site with DVTimes, is pointless. It's like comparing Jason Bolt and me in a 100 meter dash.

[Paul Markham]

The reason that sites like orgasms.xxx DaneJones Lesbea Casting.xxx FakeAgent do so well for Ruseful is because they were created specifically for promotion via the tubes. That means every single video that is uploaded to the tubes is the best possible representation of that site. And these sites are brand new, with the first site being launched in August '11 (Casting.xxx) and September (Orgasms.xxx) then the rest late Dec '11 (Lesbea) and mid Jan '12 for DaneJones and FakeAgent. Every tube specifically edited clip stands up to any scrutiny. They are over 8 minutes, mostly over 10 minutes, and they are all fulfilling clips with a beginning, middle and ending. Content is shot specifically with the tube edit in mind.

You say, this content is not hard to make, and I have written a guide on how to sell a membership to a user of a free tube below. It tells you exactly how Ruseful does it. So, you do really have everything at your disposal to do what Ruseful is doing with the sites, day in-day out.

Yes, I personally own all of the sites I talk about. I created the production company to make use of my knowledge gained from running YouPorn. I am now at PornTube, building another huge tube, doing it all over again.

Great content is King. It generates the cash spending traffic.

We here at FameDollars are partners with Rocco Siffredi and we've been giving 10 minute clips to tube sites like PornTube, XHamster, PornTube and we've seen a steady stream of revenue from both type-ins and banner spots.

I remember when content providers only gave 15 second clips, which then became 2 minute gals and this now seems like the next natural step.

See above.

[Paul Markham]

Ok how confident are you? Enough to guarantee?

How about this:

I will make better content. I will finance it myself. I will submit as much as you tell me in better quality than you did. Better everything. Not turning this in to a dick measuring contest, you have more money than me so you have the bigger dick just stating that I can do this no problem and that I understand exactly what is needed to produce at this level. You will not have to explain shit to me, I have the brains to understand what you did with your sites.

Are you willing to guarantee me 50 sign ups per day in writing with contract in a very reasonable time period just from tubes?

Whats in it for you? Every sale over 50/day goes to you for ever. You said you guys do 120/day easy so this is pure money no work for you. 50 sales/day is more than I need I will not bitch about anything ever if this works out. If I get under 50 sales/day and everything is as stated you have to buy my websites from me for production costs.

What do you say?

Do you think Met Art are suffering like most others?

The problem is simple. Too many sites and sponsors ignored the consumer and forgot common sense. If a niche/style/porn quality is available on 10 sites. They should do a lot better than the same niche/style/porn quality that's on 100 sites. Your only problem is finding the guys or their peers who shot Orgasm.xxx and paying for it. In fact the finding is the easy part.

Looking at Orgasm.xxx I would say this is well in the realms of $3,000 and upwards a scene, excluding solo girl. Cameras, lights, props, locations, staff, editing, models, etc. It has a horrible habit of mounting up. Then launching a site with 50 videos will be a big investment. The people behind this had the money to do so and now have something that converts off tubes.

Incidentally it takes more than money to do these scenes. you need first to find the people to create it.

Changing Times.

[pimpmaster9000]

I take far too many risks investing in my own abilities, so I am not looking to invest in anyone else's right now. However, you are not short of confidence to do bigger better things on your own. If you believe in your own abilities, you don't need me to offer you any guarantees, or to share in your success that will no doubt come.

It sounds like you will be producing content to compete with DaneJones, Passion-HD, X-Art, Met-Art etc. I can tell you, none of those sites are struggling, so if you can produce this type of content, my advice is DO IT!! For more inspiration, have a look at the new site coming online called www.Babes.com . I WILL be one of their first members when the site launches, their content looks OFF THE HOOK. If you launch a site like this, i'll buy a lifetime membership!

Thanks for all your info in any case. I was not really expecting you to accept . I will make the site regardless simply because its the smartest way for somebody to enter the business. I am not good enough to compete with others if my content is crap so its the only logical way anyway...mighty decent of you to share info in any case...thanks!

Looking at Orgasm.xxx I would say this is well in the realms of $3,000 and upwards a scene, excluding solo girl. Cameras, lights, props, locations, staff, editing, models, etc. It has a horrible habit of mounting up. Then launching a site with 50 videos will be a big investment. The people behind this had the money to do so and now have something that converts off tubes.

Incidentally it takes more than money to do these scenes. you need first to find the people to create it.

Cameras/lenses/pro lights I have at least 6 figures worth of each at my disposal for pennies. I live next to something called "Movie City" its state run film studios basically, I am super connected there now and the talented guys are struggling to make ends meet. Money is no problem either, 3rd world countries can be mighty good places to take money from the bank for your LLC

[ThePornTubeGuy]

Thanks for all your info in any case. I was not really expecting you to accept . I will make the site regardless simply because its the smartest way for somebody to enter the business. I am not good enough to compete with others if my content is crap so its the only logical way anyway...mighty decent of you to share info in any case...thanks!

Cameras/lenses/pro lights I have at least 6 figures worth of each at my disposal for pennies. I live next to something called "Movie City" its state run film studios basically, I am super connected there now and the talented guys are struggling to make ends meet. Money is no problem either, 3rd world countries can be mighty good places to take money from the bank for your LLC

Well, when you are ready, reach out and i'll manage a tube campaign for you and get you to 50 new joins / re bills a day in no time. Hit me up anyway at jt at porntube . com, would be good to chat with you.

[Paul Markham]

Cameras/lenses/pro lights I have at least 6 figures worth of each at my disposal for pennies. I live next to something called "Movie City" its state run film studios basically, I am super connected there now and the talented guys are struggling to make ends meet. Money is no problem either, 3rd world countries can be mighty good places to take money from the bank for your LLC

That was my post you were replying to. Little bit of advice. Because a guy can shoot for mainstream doesn't mean he can shoot good porn. Doesn't mean he can't either. Just be aware the two models are very different. Mainstream tends to have huge budgets and actors who aren't complete idiots.

Or actors who don't give a fuck when they fuck for your money.

Good luck, come back and show us how it got on. I wish you well.

[pimpmaster9000]

That was my post you were replying to. Little bit of advice. Because a guy can shoot for mainstream doesn't mean he can shoot good porn. Doesn't mean he can't either. Just be aware the two models are very different. Mainstream tends to have huge budgets and actors who aren't complete idiots.

Or actors who don't give a fuck when they fuck for your money.

Good luck, come back and show us how it got on. I wish you well.

Forgot to edit the name sorry.

Yes agree 100%. There is dozens of them who are starving. One of them will know how to shoot. Budgets are no problem. The wealthiest man is often not the one with the most money but the one who needs to spend the least. 3000$/shot for something like babes.com clips is an absurd amount of money.


I do not agree with you that mainstream actors are not complete idiots

[Paul Markham]

Forgot to edit the name sorry.

Yes agree 100%. There is dozens of them who are starving. One of them will know how to shoot. Budgets are no problem. The wealthiest man is often not the one with the most money but the one who needs to spend the least. 3000$/shot for something like babes.com clips is an absurd amount of money.

I do not agree with you that mainstream actors are not complete idiots

Shooting the top level of porn is 20% about camera, lighting, sound techniques, 30% about knowing the angles and construction of a scene in the niche and 50% about getting the right models and then getting them to do it.

OK others will dispute the split, still the skill required to shoot porn models and get them right isn't something a guy from mainstream will be able to do. Also you have the element of the effect seeing all the naked flesh in front of him. some will get turn on or off enough to interfere with their work.

Are you just shooting clips or shooting full scenes?

[pimpmaster9000]

Shooting the top level of porn is 20% about camera, lighting, sound techniques, 30% about knowing the angles and construction of a scene in the niche and 50% about getting the right models and then getting them to do it.

OK others will dispute the split, still the skill required to shoot porn models and get them right isn't something a guy from mainstream will be able to do. Also you have the element of the effect seeing all the naked flesh in front of him. some will get turn on or off enough to interfere with their work.

Are you just shooting clips or shooting full scenes?

I believe one can shoot 90% of all pretty models, it just depends on whether you are capable of bringing out the best in them or not. Model-Shooter relationship is critical for bona fide content. How you recruit models is also critical. If you give the same old "Need girl for anal shoot" you will just attract a certain type. Non standard recruiting methods are called for if you want non standard models. If you always do what other people do you will always get what other people get

I plan on shooting full scenes....

[Barry-xlovecam]

Well, it has been a month so has posting custom tailored content to the tubes brought anyone significant traceable sales?

[jimmycooper]

Shooting the top level of porn is 20% about camera, lighting, sound techniques, 30% about knowing the angles and construction of a scene in the niche and 50% about getting the right models and then getting them to do it.

OK others will dispute the split, still the skill required to shoot porn models and get them right isn't something a guy from mainstream will be able to do. Also you have the element of the effect seeing all the naked flesh in front of him. some will get turn on or off enough to interfere with their work.

Are you just shooting clips or shooting full scenes?

FYI - You forgot to mention 'Vision'.

[Jel]

1 sale btw, after ~30k views

That number still holding. Admittedly I could use a new tour, and still early days with seeing what works best with videos as in straight scenes, or trailer type scenes. Also just added trials to see if that helps.

[signupdamnit]

So nearly a year later here we are. Besides Ruseful (who makes over $1 for every 1,000 video views on a tube) how many new millionaires or billionaires do we have here?

Fabian, can Manwin now pay their taxes and debt to Playboy?

Show us your new mansions paysite owners.

[signupdamnit]

Bump. So again what new millionaires do we have here on GFY? Who got rich promoting their pay sites on the tubes? Jel?

Btw I guess Ruseful was either an employee, owner, partner, or on contract (which one is true depends on which message you believe. I have no idea) with porntube.com the entire time when he first posted his stats here and pushed their CPP.

Here's proof: http://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19683588&postcount=168

[tonyparra]

[Ruseful]

Bump. So again what new millionaires do we have here on GFY? Who got rich promoting their pay sites on the tubes? Jel?

Btw I guess Ruseful was either an employee, owner, partner, or on contract (which one is true depends on which message you believe. I have no idea) with porntube.com the entire time when he first posted his stats here and pushed their CPP.

Here's proof: http://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19683588&postcount=168

Signupdamit, do you know any of my history in the industry?

up to sept 2006, dog breeder
Sept 2006 - May 2011 YouPorn
Jan 2011 Started Really Useful Production Company
June 2011 - Dec 2011 ICM registry (6 month contract)
Sept 2011 Launched first site Casting.xxx
Jan 2012 - May 2013 Partner with PornTube to build Content Partnership Program and Business Management, Succeeded and partnership dissolved.
May 2013 launched 11th site.

As I wrote in my guide to making money on the tubes, and as I say in the many individual workshops and the many panels I sit on at industry events, you wont make money by uploading to just 1 tube. 90% of my revenues are generated from the tubes. All I ever do is tell people how I do what I am doing. I have grown from 4 employees in Jan 2011 to over 60. I have over 20,000 active members on my sites and are launching another 7 sites in the next few months. This is from doing exactly what I tell people on how to monetize the tubes. What does it matter if I was partnered with PornTube? why does it matter if I was a partner/employee? What difference does it make to you?

I really dont see why you have a witch hunt against me.

[tonyparra]

Signupdamit, do you know any of my history in the industry?

up to sept 2006, dog breeder
Sept 2006 - May 2011 YouPorn
Jan 2011 Started Really Useful Production Company
June 2011 - Dec 2011 ICM registry (6 month contract)
Sept 2011 Launched first site Casting.xxx
Jan 2012 - May 2013 Partner with PornTube to build Content Partnership Program and Business Management, Succeeded and partnership dissolved.
May 2013 launched 11th site.

As I wrote in my guide to making money on the tubes, and as I say in the many individual workshops and the many panels I sit on at industry events, you wont make money by uploading to just 1 tube. 90% of my revenues are generated from the tubes. All I ever do is tell people how I do what I am doing. I have grown from 4 employees in Jan 2011 to over 60. I have over 20,000 active members on my sites and are launching another 7 sites in the next few months. This is from doing exactly what I tell people on how to monetize the tubes. What does it matter if I was partnered with PornTube? why does it matter if I was a partner/employee? What difference does it make to you?

I really dont see why you have a witch hunt against me.

dog breeder to youporn eh? interesting

[Jel]

Bump. So again what new millionaires do we have here on GFY? Who got rich promoting their pay sites on the tubes? Jel?

Nope, in fact I almost went bust :D Struggling but hanging on by the skin of my teeth, *but*... I wasn't submitting to all the big tubes; haven't subbed much (if anything) since I redid the landing page; had an experience which showed me how much people WILL still buy porn.

I'm currently working on 2 new paysites (well, one, with the money I get from that being used to get the 2nd up and running - more outlay required but it's gonna be fucking H U G E, believe me), if the 1st one makes any cash, which I fully expect it to) using data from the tubes, as suggested by Ruseful previously.

As much as I hate what the tubes have done, the whole theft aspect of it, the bullshit 'user uploads' that has to be spun out (I mean really, what else does anyone expect them to say? They certainly can't admit it - I see it like telling your lawyer "I didn't do it". They know you fucking did, but who in their right mind is going to come out and admit it, especially given how lucrative it is), the expectation from surfers it has bred where 90% of people will NEVER pay for porn again, google giving a criminal operation credence because 'now we don't steal, we are awesome yo', and so on that has already been done to death here and elsewhere... the fact is, tubes have the traffic, and by whatever law of whatever, means they also have the paying traffic. And I want paying traffic.

I may not like it, and indeed I still have a rant now about it every so often, but for me, these are the facts:

tubes own the vast majority of paying adult traffic
I want paying traffic
If I don't adapt, I die

So, I've been quietly learning, using rusefuls advice; doing other stuff in the meantime to stay afloat, and waiting for my opportunity(ies), which are now nearing the building/marketing stage. I'm actually far more optimistic now than I was 12 months ago. I'll never be a tube fanboy, but I'm way past being a hater and wasting my focus/energy/attention on shit I can't change. Change the things you can

[The Porn Nerd]

Nope, in fact I almost went bust :D Struggling but hanging on by the skin of my teeth, *but*... I wasn't submitting to all the big tubes; haven't subbed much (if anything) since I redid the landing page; had an experience which showed me how much people WILL still buy porn.

I'm currently working on 2 new paysites (well, one, with the money I get from that being used to get the 2nd up and running - more outlay required but it's gonna be fucking H U G E, believe me), if the 1st one makes any cash, which I fully expect it to) using data from the tubes, as suggested by Ruseful previously.

As much as I hate what the tubes have done, the whole theft aspect of it, the bullshit 'user uploads' that has to be spun out (I mean really, what else does anyone expect them to say? They certainly can't admit it - I see it like telling your lawyer "I didn't do it". They know you fucking did, but who in their right mind is going to come out and admit it, especially given how lucrative it is), the expectation from surfers it has bred where 90% of people will NEVER pay for porn again, google giving a criminal operation credence because 'now we don't steal, we are awesome yo', and so on that has already been done to death here and elsewhere... the fact is, tubes have the traffic, and by whatever law of whatever, means they also have the paying traffic. And I want paying traffic.

I may not like it, and indeed I still have a rant now about it every so often, but for me, these are the facts:

tubes own the vast majority of paying adult traffic
I want paying traffic
If I don't adapt, I die

So, I've been quietly learning, using rusefuls advice; doing other stuff in the meantime to stay afloat, and waiting for my opportunity(ies), which are now nearing the building/marketing stage. I'm actually far more optimistic now than I was 12 months ago. I'll never be a tube fanboy, but I'm way past being a hater and wasting my focus/energy/attention on shit I can't change. Change the things you can

Congrats on the optimism!! Being positive is the only way to go if you want long-term success.

Hit me up if you ever want to discuss paysites and tubes.

The thing about JT/Ruseful which gets under people's skin is his BRAGGING about how well he's doing, using his oh-so-innovative strategy of "give the tubes everything they want". The real problem for me? I have a VERY VERY VERY hard time believing that ALL the growth Ruseful brags about - going from 11 to 60 employees, 20,000 Members, etc - that ALL THAT came from posting longer videos on tube sites. IF this were true then wouldn't Met-Art, X-Art, and the great Peabody's own ErosExotica being doing THOUSANDS of joins?

Makes no sense because I believe - it's just my BELIEF now, no proof - my BELIEF that Ruseful's success has a lot more to do with special deals with friends/tubes then merely posting videos.

JT: What is your Revshare with these tubes? 50-50? Do you do PPS? If so, how much? Do you buy joins? Do you advertise on the tubes? If so, how much per month? Do you make more profit from advertising than from postings?

This kind of shit. When something doesn't add up....well, draw your own conclusions. Congrats to the Winners.

[Ruseful]

Congrats on the optimism!! Being positive is the only way to go if you want long-term success.

Hit me up if you ever want to discuss paysites and tubes.

The thing about JT/Ruseful which gets under people's skin is his BRAGGING about how well he's doing, using his oh-so-innovative strategy of "give the tubes everything they want". The real problem for me? I have a VERY VERY VERY hard time believing that ALL the growth Ruseful brags about - going from 11 to 60 employees, 20,000 Members, etc - that ALL THAT came from posting longer videos on tube sites. IF this were true then wouldn't Met-Art, X-Art, and the great Peabody's own ErosExotica being doing THOUSANDS of joins?

Makes no sense because I believe - it's just my BELIEF now, no proof - my BELIEF that Ruseful's success has a lot more to do with special deals with friends/tubes then merely posting videos.

JT: What is your Revshare with these tubes? 50-50? Do you do PPS? If so, how much? Do you buy joins? Do you advertise on the tubes? If so, how much per month? Do you make more profit from advertising than from postings?

This kind of shit. When something doesn't add up....well, draw your own conclusions. Congrats to the Winners.

Hi MrPeabody, I get called out on so many threads that my only response is with my numbers. So whilst you think its bragging, all I am doing is defending myself and giving proof that my tube strategy works. I get the damage the tubes do to web masters, thats why I share what I do.

Revshare with the tubes: 50/50, they are normal affiliates
I dont do PPS
I do not buy joins
I do not advertise on tubes or anywhere else
I do not do 1 day trials
I do not get any favors from the tubes, why would they help my sites when most of the largest tubes own their own pay sites?

http://www.youporn.com/channels/most_popular/alltime/ This speaks for itself, this is why I have grown from 4 employees to over 60. My sites are some of the most popular on the internet bar none.

Hope this helps you understand, but very much doubt it.

[The Porn Nerd]

Hi MrPeabody, I get called out on so many threads that my only response is with my numbers. So whilst you think its bragging, all I am doing is defending myself and giving proof that my tube strategy works. I get the damage the tubes do to web masters, thats why I share what I do.

Revshare with the tubes: 50/50, they are normal affiliates
I dont do PPS
I do not buy joins
I do not advertise on tubes or anywhere else
I do not do 1 day trials
I do not get any favors from the tubes, why would they help my sites when most of the largest tubes own their own pay sites?

http://www.youporn.com/channels/most_popular/alltime/ This speaks for itself, this is why I have grown from 4 employees to over 60. My sites are some of the most popular on the internet bar none.

Hope this helps you understand, but very much doubt it.

Ah see JT? It's that last little "but I doubt it" that sets my BS meter a-ringing. LOL

You could communicate with me directly, I have reached out to you to take you up on your GFY offer of helping a program with their tube strategy yet all I get is crickets in return, another reason I have trouble believing you.

IF the above is true, that you do all this business with tube submissions alone, then WHY (please explain) do other similar sites as yours do 1/10th as well, especially since many of those sites (mine included) have been on the Web longer and have been posting videos to tubes longer. Hmmm?

If your answer is going to be: People don't like your sites/like mine better I will personally call you a liar. MY numbers show MY sites are INCREDIBLY popular and do MASSIVE signups - when I get the traffic. So the REAL question here is: why do your videos get more views? Could it be because - SOMEhow - your videos stay on the Homepages longer? Hmmm? I wonder why this is....can't be because of longer videos, MY longer videos do not stay on the Homepage as long, nor do any other "Met-Art'-style sites, so again hmmm....no JT. Something else is going on, you're not getting all this love from tubes/tube surfers "organicly". LOL Good for you but please don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining, ok?

I'm not an idiot, and you of all people - who looked at some of MY websites data during your years at YouPorn and based a lot of this magical "tube strategy" bullshit on MY websites data - should know that. Wanna talk on ICQ now or continue to ignore me off-GFY?

Really man, give me a fucking break.

[DWB]

JT: What is your Revshare with these tubes? 50-50? Do you do PPS? If so, how much? Do you buy joins? Do you advertise on the tubes? If so, how much per month? Do you make more profit from advertising than from postings?

If he is using longer videos that means he keeps 100% of the income. That is the tube's incentive so the uploaders load longer clips.

[The Porn Nerd]

If he is using longer videos that means he keeps 100% of the income. That is the tube's incentive so the uploaders load longer clips.

Yes - but here's another problem with Ruseful's magical strategy: OTHER videos similar to his do not seem to do as well! Hmmm.....so if it were just posting longer videos, and in that erotic 'Met-Art'-style (really ErosExotica-style but let's not quibble) then WHY do these videos not get as much love?

Is ANYONE using Ruseful's strategy seeing HIS kind of results? No, of course not.

Maybe I should start a thread to get JT's attention.
(PS - not all tubes have this 'keep all the revenue if you upload longer vids' policy.)

[topnotch, standup guy]

Let this be known as the day that resistance to the tubes officially fell. We are in Day One of the New Era.

Speak for yourself.

.

[DWB]

Yes - but here's another problem with Ruseful's magical strategy: OTHER videos similar to his do not seem to do as well! Hmmm.....so if it were just posting longer videos, and in that erotic 'Met-Art'-style (really ErosExotica-style but let's not quibble) then WHY do these videos not get as much love?

Is ANYONE using Ruseful's strategy seeing HIS kind of results? No, of course not.

No idea, I haven't studied what he is doing. Though, as he did admit, his time at YouPorn give him information that has proven to be very valuable to him. So no doubt he has an upper hand in terms of tube knowledge. That was his job before.

[pimpmaster9000]

I use mass tube uploaders to fill tubes with very decent material that I produce myself...basically I have tried long clips, short clips, hard core clips, soft core clips, pro camera clips with depth of field shit and pro lights and everything to shitty Iphone clips and what not...one can not accuse me of being superficial or lazy about my work with tube uploads...for the main tubes I submitted by hand, I did not want to leave anything to chance...have tried promoting my own and other programs with my own and their own material...nothing was left untested...

my conclusion:

tube surfers are freeloaders and even though I get lots of hits there is simply not enough conversion and I see a clear difference between tubes and other methods of promoting conversion wise...traffic wise I can really generate a shit ton of beggar views from tubes no problem...

[signupdamnit]

Signupdamit, do you know any of my history in the industry?

up to sept 2006, dog breeder
Sept 2006 - May 2011 YouPorn
Jan 2011 Started Really Useful Production Company
June 2011 - Dec 2011 ICM registry (6 month contract)
Sept 2011 Launched first site Casting.xxx
Jan 2012 - May 2013 Partner with PornTube to build Content Partnership Program and Business Management, Succeeded and partnership dissolved.
May 2013 launched 11th site.

As I wrote in my guide to making money on the tubes, and as I say in the many individual workshops and the many panels I sit on at industry events, you wont make money by uploading to just 1 tube. 90% of my revenues are generated from the tubes. All I ever do is tell people how I do what I am doing. I have grown from 4 employees in Jan 2011 to over 60. I have over 20,000 active members on my sites and are launching another 7 sites in the next few months. This is from doing exactly what I tell people on how to monetize the tubes. What does it matter if I was partnered with PornTube? why does it matter if I was a partner/employee? What difference does it make to you?

I really dont see why you have a witch hunt against me.

Ruseful/ThePornTubeGuy/JT,

I already responded to you in one of the other threads here:

http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1063910&page=11

It's not a witchhunt. In fact you were being a bit deceitful. It was not obvious that you were both Ruseful and ThePornTubeGuy because as pointed out in the link above you were speaking about your alternate identity (your sockpuppet) in the third person as if it were someone else.

Here is an example of that:

Thats when you need work with sponsors that will allow you to brand their content with a separate URL on their clips. i.e. pussy5 push x-art videos like that, pussy21 push DaneJones content. The user see's an x-art clip but its branded pussy5 . com, the users types in pussy5 . com and end up at x-art. They upload to the 200+ tubes that are too small for the likes of x-art and Ruseful to bother with. They do great sales numbers. BUT please do not do this with a domain the sponsor does not own, or they will DMCA your ass!!! The sponsor MUST own the domain, so reach out to them, Ruseful included: support at ruseful . com or hit me up at jt at porntube . com and i'll point you in the right direction

http://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18891407&postcount=358

If you have some type of mental illness with multiple personalities or something then I'm prepared to not hold it against you. But other than that you were trying to perpetrate a bit of a ruse here by making it seem as if ThePornTubeGuy and Ruseful were different people at times. This gives me and others a legitimate reason now to question your honesty. It's hard to know if we can believe you.

It was pretty rude of you to try that in my thread and use it for self-promotion too. I know at times you said you were "JT" but it's fairly clear at minimum you were being purposely confusing and coy.

[signupdamnit]

Nope, in fact I almost went bust :D Struggling but hanging on by the skin of my teeth, *but*... I wasn't submitting to all the big tubes; haven't subbed much (if anything) since I redid the landing page; had an experience which showed me how much people WILL still buy porn.

I'm currently working on 2 new paysites (well, one, with the money I get from that being used to get the 2nd up and running - more outlay required but it's gonna be fucking H U G E, believe me), if the 1st one makes any cash, which I fully expect it to) using data from the tubes, as suggested by Ruseful previously.

As much as I hate what the tubes have done, the whole theft aspect of it, the bullshit 'user uploads' that has to be spun out (I mean really, what else does anyone expect them to say? They certainly can't admit it - I see it like telling your lawyer "I didn't do it". They know you fucking did, but who in their right mind is going to come out and admit it, especially given how lucrative it is), the expectation from surfers it has bred where 90% of people will NEVER pay for porn again, google giving a criminal operation credence because 'now we don't steal, we are awesome yo', and so on that has already been done to death here and elsewhere... the fact is, tubes have the traffic, and by whatever law of whatever, means they also have the paying traffic. And I want paying traffic.

I may not like it, and indeed I still have a rant now about it every so often, but for me, these are the facts:

tubes own the vast majority of paying adult traffic
I want paying traffic
If I don't adapt, I die

So, I've been quietly learning, using rusefuls advice; doing other stuff in the meantime to stay afloat, and waiting for my opportunity(ies), which are now nearing the building/marketing stage. I'm actually far more optimistic now than I was 12 months ago. I'll never be a tube fanboy, but I'm way past being a hater and wasting my focus/energy/attention on shit I can't change. Change the things you can

Thnks Jel for the reply and the honesty. It's been pretty tough for me as an affiliate too. I've been moving away from paysites with extreme regrets. I worked for years on that side of the market and it put food on my table for so long. It's very sad for me to have to let it go. It's been a transition to dating, cams, and CPM type arrangements with the paysites as side money. What really hurt me the most has been the loss of those rare magic microniche sites which I could once convert as an affiliate at 1:200. It used to be when I found a site like that I worked full time on it to push traffic. All I had to do was find one or two and I was set. That was my secret. Sadly those are now gone from what I see.

I've been working on some more unique projects myself and trying to get away from what everyone else is doing. It's a struggle though because overall no matter what you are doing it seems in adult each visitor on average is worth far less than they used to be. It means tighter margins. I wish us both luck.

[signupdamnit]

Congrats on the optimism!! Being positive is the only way to go if you want long-term success.

Hit me up if you ever want to discuss paysites and tubes.

The thing about JT/Ruseful which gets under people's skin is his BRAGGING about how well he's doing, using his oh-so-innovative strategy of "give the tubes everything they want". The real problem for me? I have a VERY VERY VERY hard time believing that ALL the growth Ruseful brags about - going from 11 to 60 employees, 20,000 Members, etc - that ALL THAT came from posting longer videos on tube sites. IF this were true then wouldn't Met-Art, X-Art, and the great Peabody's own ErosExotica being doing THOUSANDS of joins?

Makes no sense because I believe - it's just my BELIEF now, no proof - my BELIEF that Ruseful's success has a lot more to do with special deals with friends/tubes then merely posting videos.

JT: What is your Revshare with these tubes? 50-50? Do you do PPS? If so, how much? Do you buy joins? Do you advertise on the tubes? If so, how much per month? Do you make more profit from advertising than from postings?

This kind of shit. When something doesn't add up....well, draw your own conclusions. Congrats to the Winners.

I'm not sure we can trust what he says at all anymore. It always seemed incredulous to me some of the numbers he was putting out. It seems to defy what everyone else is experiencing and common sense. Like I said way back it's like a flying pink elephant going by my office window.

What bothered me about him/porntube the most was the bad vibes. I've learned to listen to that. From the first post of his that I read I got the sense that more was going on than I was seeing and I was definitely right about that. I felt really guilty at first about how I felt about the guy because it seemed like I disliked him right from the start without knowing why (beyond his association with that tube) but now I see why. He deceives and he plays games with people. To what extent we have no idea. Trust is so important. It's not personal but I feel it's a mistake to trust someone like that.

[The Porn Nerd]

you were trying to perpetrate a bit of a ruse here by making it seem as if ThePornTubeGuy and Ruseful were different people at times...

By someone who's nick is named 'RUSEful'? And you were shocked? Shocking.

I know, I know - "Ruseful" is really short for "Really Useful" and OF COURSE double entendres do not exist in this world. LOL

Is JT an American-born citizen? just curious.

[signupdamnit]

The reason that sites like orgasms.xxx DaneJones Lesbea Casting.xxx FakeAgent do so well for Ruseful is because they were created specifically for promotion via the tubes. That means every single video that is uploaded to the tubes is the best possible representation of that site. And these sites are brand new, with the first site being launched in August '11 (Casting.xxx) and September (Orgasms.xxx) then the rest late Dec '11 (Lesbea) and mid Jan '12 for DaneJones and FakeAgent. Every tube specifically edited clip stands up to any scrutiny. They are over 8 minutes, mostly over 10 minutes, and they are all fulfilling clips with a beginning, middle and ending. Content is shot specifically with the tube edit in mind.

You say, this content is not hard to make, and I have written a guide on how to sell a membership to a user of a free tube below. It tells you exactly how Ruseful does it. So, you do really have everything at your disposal to do what Ruseful is doing with the sites, day in-day out.

Yes, I personally own all of the sites I talk about. I created the production company to make use of my knowledge gained from running YouPorn. I am now at PornTube, building another huge tube, doing it all over again.

Another example of how your use of the sockpuppet was dishonest. You were again clearly making it seem as if ThePornTubeGuy and Ruseful were separate people. This helped make some see you and Ruseful as more credible because it wasn't just one guy saying it but what they thought were two people.

At minimum it was dishonest. It would be like if I created a sockpuppet "MisterBigShotDude" and said "Yeah, that signupdamnit guy sends me 300 joins a day. He's a great businessman and a whale!" using that sockpuppet. It's not cool at all.

[The Porn Nerd]

I'm not sure we can trust what he says at all anymore. It always seemed incredulous to me some of the numbers he was putting out. It seems to defy what everyone else is experiencing and common sense. Like I said way back it's like a flying pink elephant going by my office window.

What bothered me about him/porntube the most was the bad vibes. I've learned to listen to that. From the first post of his that I read I got the sense that more was going on than I was seeing and I was definitely right about that. I felt really guilty at first about how I felt about the guy because it seemed like I disliked him right from the start without knowing why (beyond his association with that tube) but now I see why. He deceives and he plays games with people. To what extent we have no idea. Trust is so important. It's not personal but I feel it's a mistake to trust someone like that.

Are we working together on paysite sales? I can't remember now LOL But tell you what, because I love your passion and your EXCELLENT writing skills (a biggie with me, being a writer and all...): If I give you a sweet Revshare deal (I don't play the PPS game) maybe we could discuss you trying to push some sites of mine for say 3 months. I'd allow you to do things I don't allow other affs to do, with watermarks and such. Let's discuss if at all interested.

BTW: Unlike Ruseful, I do make deals with affiliates concerning Revshare from time to time. I would gladly do so in this case because, honestly Signupdamnit, I like your business savvy. If past the point of pushing paysites it's cool but let's talk anyway.

[signupdamnit]

By someone who's nick is named 'RUSEful'? And you were shocked? Shocking.

I know, I know - "Ruseful" is really short for "Really Useful" and OF COURSE double entendres do not exist in this world. LOL

Is JT an American-born citizen? just curious.

I wanted to point that out right from the start but I didn't want to be too much of an ass. Like I said I felt bad for how I felt about the guy. :/ Did he always have it named "Really Useful Cash" or was the program named after he started posting with the name Ruseful? I thought he only opened it with that name later.

Anyway I'm not going to kick him when he is down. I've said what I needed and how I feel about it. If it's a mental illness or something then I'll apologize and give him the benefit of the doubt again as I said.

[Ruseful]

Ruseful/ThePornTubeGuy/JT,

I already responded to you in one of the other threads here:

http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1063910&page=11

It's not a witchhunt. In fact you were being a bit deceitful. It was not obvious that you were both Ruseful and ThePornTubeGuy because as pointed out in the link above you were speaking about your alternate identity (your sockpuppet) in the third person as if it were someone else.

Here is an example of that:



http://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18891407&postcount=358

If you have some type of mental illness with multiple personalities or something then I'm prepared to not hold it against you. But other than that you were trying to perpetrate a bit of a ruse here by making it seem as if ThePornTubeGuy and Ruseful were different people at times. This gives me and others a legitimate reason now to question your honesty. It's hard to know if we can believe you.

It was pretty rude of you to try that in my thread and use it for self-promotion too. I know at times you said you were "JT" but it's fairly clear at minimum you were being purposely confusing and coy.

Hi Signupdamit, I have no mental illness.

I hold my hands up to using 2 names on GFY but it was not meant to use it maliciously, really, and I apologise that this has caused so much tension on the boards. I realised it was causing a lot of confusion, not only for the readers but also for myself. Hence only doing 40 odd posts from The PornTube Guy and then continuing with Ruseful. In fact, The PornTube Guy was my old The YouPorn Guy account, which I never really used, hence the 40 posts.

I can understand why everyone is getting into a twist and starting to not trust a word I am saying or indeed have said, but really, it was not anything malicious, just simply having a profile for each of my roles, both PornTube and Really Useful. They were and are separate entities and with the anti tube feeling, it didnt seem logical to me to be representing PornTube from my Ruseful account and vice versa.

As for a 3rd persona, no, I dont have one. Coolness who you refer too is Steve, who is the owner of PornTube/4Tube and Fux.com. I enjoyed my time working with him, he has a great team. I achieved what I was brought on to do and as I pointed out on various threads, Really Useful started to Really Grow - quickly.

So, I now understand why the numerous threads and comments about me, and why all the questions. I brought this on myself and I dont blame you or anyone for what I considered a witch hunt on me.

So, I sincerely apologise to you and the members of GFY and I can leave the boards quietly if you think I have caused too much damage to my reputation with my previous actions, or I can hang around and contribute, but only as Ruseful

(I will be responding to MrPeabody first though).