mce

I don't think they were libertarians...

Hmmm, I wonder if the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National-Socialist German Workers' Party) was liberal/socialist or conservative.

Any guesses?

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mineistaken

socialism is leftwing.

CHMOD

They were considered to be progressives. However nowadays, ignorants are trying to say that they were evil conservatives.

That is simply not true.

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mopek1

They were ultra right wing.

Mao and Stalin were ultra left.

Go too far in either direction and ....

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They were neither. They were an extremist group who wowed people with their radical change ideas. They weren't evil and crazy sounding at first. It almost sounded positive. But then they took power and abused it without limitations. Broke rules, attacked specific ethnic groups singling them out as the 'real problem with germany'. Your constitution is supposed to protect against such tyranny. So as long as it is protected and upheld things like that should not happen.


No, that is the way you would like it to be. But you are wrong. Look up the word liberal and it will become more obvious to you.

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mineistaken

I did not say they were liberal, I merely said that socialism in it's own is a left wing ideology.

tony286

https://en.wikipedia.org:

The majority of scholars identify Nazism in both theory and practice as a form of far-right politics.[11] Far-right themes in Nazism include the argument that superior people have a right to dominate other people and purge society of supposed inferior elements.[12] Adolf Hitler and other proponents denied the view that Nazism was either left-wing or right-wing, instead they officially portrayed Nazism as a syncretic movement.[13][14] In Mein Kampf Hitler directly attacked both left-wing and right-wing politics in Germany, saying:
Today our left-wing politicians in particular are constantly insisting that their craven-hearted and obsequious foreign policy necessarily results from the disarmament of Germany, whereas the truth is that this is the policy of traitors ... But the politicians of the Right deserve exactly the same reproach. It was through their miserable cowardice that those ruffians of Jews who came into power in 1918 were able to rob the nation of its arms.[15]
When asked whether he supported the "bourgeois right-wing", Hitler claimed that Nazism was not exclusively for any class, and he also indicated that it favoured neither the left nor the right, but preserved "pure" elements from both "camps", stating: "From the camp of bourgeois tradition, it takes national resolve, and from the materialism of the Marxist dogma, living, creative Socialism".[16]

mineistaken

Hmm, what is with your reading skills?

Firstly somebody sees that I say liberals while I say letfwing, now somebody explains that nazism is right wing when I say that socialism is left wing.

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Nazis were neither.

They were self-described Aryan supremacists, practicing racists, xenophobic, expansionist and politically fascist.


Read more: What is fascism? definition and meaning - BusinessDictionary.com

Sound familiar?

MaDalton

mybrainistaken trying to blame the left for Hitler and his facist ideology - no surprise there

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trevesty

Have you guys even read Mein Kampf?

It's hyper-nationalism and far-right politics at its best. That's why far-right, Aryan militias in the US worship the book and the author of the book.

Some of ya'll live in denial like a mofo.

just a punk

Nazism is a derivative of Fascism, which was created in contrast of liberalism. In his the Doctrine of Fascism (AKA "absolute state"), Benito Mussolini says that liberalism (the state for a human) is the worst enemy of fascism (a human for the state):

Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal, will of man as a historic entity. It is opposed to classical liberalism which arose as a reaction to absolutism and exhausted its historical function when the State became the expression of the conscience and will of the people. Liberalism denied the State in the name of the individual; Fascism reasserts the rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individua. And if liberty is to he the attribute of living men and not of abstract dummies invented by individualistic liberalism, then Fascism stands for liberty, and for the only liberty worth having, the liberty of the State and of the individual within the State. The Fascist conception of the State is all embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism, is totalitarian, and the Fascist State - a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values - interprets, develops, and potentates the whole life of a people.

No individuals or groups (political parties, cultural associations, economic unions, social classes) outside the State. Fascism is therefore opposed to Socialism to which unity within the State (which amalgamates classes into a single economic and ethical reality) is unknown, and which sees in history nothing but the class struggle. Fascism is likewise opposed to trade unionism as a class weapon. But when brought within the orbit of the State, Fascism recognizes the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which divergent interests are coordinated and harmonized in the unity of the State.

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crockett

Ahh you just have to love right wing logic. They will call liberals both Nazis and socialist in the same sentence. It's clear we truly are living in the idioarcy.

It's pretty sad with all the information of the world at their finger tips they are too stupid to educate themselves with basic 6th grade education.

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trevesty

Glad someone knows their political science.

Hitler and Mussolini absolutely despised everything the USSR stood for.

JFK

Were they Wrong ?

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Farang

Speaking of Nazis, I read this great book recently called Blitzed: Drugs in Nazi Germany.

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TheSquealer

we get it already... you get paid for sig views.

RedFred

It's no secret Nazi's gravitate towards Trump and the right wing.

mce

Wasn't Hitler a vegetarian tree hugger granola-type dude?

Just asking

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mce

Hmmmm Not so fast

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The World nowadays is completely upside down and ass-backwards (or, bass-akwards).

What was once 'right' is now called 'left' and vice versa. This is all part of "The Plan" to confuse people, fuck with their lives, mix up words so they don't have any meaning (or different ones than their traditional ones) ALL to create confusion and to control people.

And guess what? It's working like a charm. Oh - and ALL today's propaganda stunts were carried out (and many invented by) Nazis.

Carry on.

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Farang

Injecting himself with all kinds of animal shit including bull semen. Hardly a vegetarian

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thommy

my dear god - i think i am dreaming.
people who calling others "nazi" do not even know what this ideology is.

i mean, yes - hitler is dead but if i read around here i think there are more than enough 100% copies in GFY.

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thommy

that´s a poor explanation in that video.
fact is: if you go left from the left and right from the right you will see that both sides are unite in one and the same desaster. they just give it another name.

either in extreme communism nor in fascism nor in capitalism the individual has kind of value. it is like an "all for the ideology" "all for the king" "all for god" "all for the president".

a single human life have no value in this kind of ideological streams.
that´s the same as "make america great again" - in that sentence humanity and individuality is not exiting - but individuality is in fact what we ALL want. even people who have voted for that slogan.

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mopek1

I'm not so sure about that explanation. It was weak and only took a few examples of what Hitler did to prove that he was socialist.

It's a more complex issue than that.

Many scholars have taken the position that he was right wing and I believe he was too.

The point I'm making isn't to make conservatives look bad like some people do saying, "Well look, Hitler was from the Right, therefore the right is evil." Mao and Stalin were from the left and killed many more than Hitler did.

If this thread was started to stimulate discussion then some very good points were made already regarding Hitler and the Nazis being extremest, right wingers. But if (as is the case on gfy often) it was for sig whoring or trying to keep the board alive with drama threads and conflict topic starters then ... well, I'm out.

Bladewire

He says liberals are fascists bless his tiny little heart

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Bladewire

It's pure stupidity to claim leftist, who believe in equality were Nazis, who killed everyone for being unequal.

Alt-right white nationalist are a sad group of people.

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CaptainHowdy

The right word is "totalitarians".

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danep

I think that we are not asking the right question. What definitions catered to them can be a nice semantic discussion, however there's another elephant in the living room.
I would ask what made a mass of people indifferent enough to cooperate and surrender to them, that is the puzzling phenomenon in my humble opinion.

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You do understand the original context of that word and who formulated it, right?

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What there is to understand? All these political concepts are trifles nowadays.

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oppoten

They were NATIONALISTS and SOCIALISTS >>>>>

The individual's duty to the collective, and the collective's duty to the individual. Or "whiteness", as it's otherwise known.

oppoten

Equality = "Gentiles are all the same".

Equality cannot be understood outside the Jewish conception of it. But the problem is, no non-Jews view the world the way that Jews do, From a Jewish perspective, equality = "we look down upon the peoples of the man-made religions". But no non-Jews even have a conception of "man-made religions". "Eshem vs whatever" is purely hypothetical.

For your own sakes, get out of your ivory tower and see what we see