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mce 07-03-2017 04:59 PM

Do you think the Nazis were LIBERALS or CONSERVATIVES?
 
I don't think they were libertarians...

Hmmm, I wonder if the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National-Socialist German Workers' Party) was liberal/socialist or conservative.

Any guesses?

mineistaken 07-03-2017 05:04 PM

socialism is leftwing.

CHMOD 07-04-2017 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mce (Post 21868693)
I don't think they were libertarians...

Hmmm, I wonder if the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National-Socialist German Workers' Party) was liberal/socialist or conservative.

Any guesses?


They were considered to be progressives. However nowadays, ignorants are trying to say that they were evil conservatives.

That is simply not true.

mopek1 07-04-2017 04:05 AM

They were ultra right wing.

Mao and Stalin were ultra left.

Go too far in either direction and ....

Daniel Piers 07-04-2017 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mopek1 (Post 21869326)
They were ultra right wing.

Mao and Stalin were ultra left.

Go too far in either direction and ....

And you create the greatest economy which suddenly fails for some reason... primarily because others don't like you so developed ;)

PR_Glen 07-04-2017 04:34 AM

They were neither. They were an extremist group who wowed people with their radical change ideas. They weren't evil and crazy sounding at first. It almost sounded positive. But then they took power and abused it without limitations. Broke rules, attacked specific ethnic groups singling them out as the 'real problem with germany'. Your constitution is supposed to protect against such tyranny. So as long as it is protected and upheld things like that should not happen.


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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 21868711)
socialism is leftwing.

No, that is the way you would like it to be. But you are wrong. Look up the word liberal and it will become more obvious to you.

mineistaken 07-04-2017 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 21869368)
No, that is the way you would like it to be. But you are wrong. Look up the word liberal and it will become more obvious to you.

I did not say they were liberal, I merely said that socialism in it's own is a left wing ideology.

tony286 07-04-2017 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 21869401)
I did not say they were liberal, I merely said that socialism in it's own is a left wing ideology.


https://en.wikipedia.org:

The majority of scholars identify Nazism in both theory and practice as a form of far-right politics.[11] Far-right themes in Nazism include the argument that superior people have a right to dominate other people and purge society of supposed inferior elements.[12] Adolf Hitler and other proponents denied the view that Nazism was either left-wing or right-wing, instead they officially portrayed Nazism as a syncretic movement.[13][14] In Mein Kampf Hitler directly attacked both left-wing and right-wing politics in Germany, saying:
Today our left-wing politicians in particular are constantly insisting that their craven-hearted and obsequious foreign policy necessarily results from the disarmament of Germany, whereas the truth is that this is the policy of traitors ... But the politicians of the Right deserve exactly the same reproach. It was through their miserable cowardice that those ruffians of Jews who came into power in 1918 were able to rob the nation of its arms.[15]
When asked whether he supported the "bourgeois right-wing", Hitler claimed that Nazism was not exclusively for any class, and he also indicated that it favoured neither the left nor the right, but preserved "pure" elements from both "camps", stating: "From the camp of bourgeois tradition, it takes national resolve, and from the materialism of the Marxist dogma, living, creative Socialism".[16]

mineistaken 07-04-2017 05:32 AM

Hmm, what is with your reading skills?

Firstly somebody sees that I say liberals while I say letfwing, now somebody explains that nazism is right wing when I say that socialism is left wing.

Barry-xlovecam 07-04-2017 05:38 AM

Nazis were neither.

They were self-described Aryan supremacists, practicing racists, xenophobic, expansionist and politically fascist.


Read more: What is fascism? definition and meaning - BusinessDictionary.com

Sound familiar?

MaDalton 07-04-2017 05:43 AM

mybrainistaken trying to blame the left for Hitler and his facist ideology - no surprise there

trevesty 07-04-2017 06:24 AM

Have you guys even read Mein Kampf?

It's hyper-nationalism and far-right politics at its best. That's why far-right, Aryan militias in the US worship the book and the author of the book.

Some of ya'll live in denial like a mofo.

just a punk 07-04-2017 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by mce (Post 21868693)
I don't think they were libertarians...

Hmmm, I wonder if the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National-Socialist German Workers' Party) was liberal/socialist or conservative.

Any guesses?

Nazism is a derivative of Fascism, which was created in contrast of liberalism. In his the Doctrine of Fascism (AKA "absolute state"), Benito Mussolini says that liberalism (the state for a human) is the worst enemy of fascism (a human for the state):

Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal, will of man as a historic entity. It is opposed to classical liberalism which arose as a reaction to absolutism and exhausted its historical function when the State became the expression of the conscience and will of the people. Liberalism denied the State in the name of the individual; Fascism reasserts the rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individua. And if liberty is to he the attribute of living men and not of abstract dummies invented by individualistic liberalism, then Fascism stands for liberty, and for the only liberty worth having, the liberty of the State and of the individual within the State. The Fascist conception of the State is all embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism, is totalitarian, and the Fascist State - a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values - interprets, develops, and potentates the whole life of a people.

No individuals or groups (political parties, cultural associations, economic unions, social classes) outside the State. Fascism is therefore opposed to Socialism to which unity within the State (which amalgamates classes into a single economic and ethical reality) is unknown, and which sees in history nothing but the class struggle. Fascism is likewise opposed to trade unionism as a class weapon. But when brought within the orbit of the State, Fascism recognizes the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which divergent interests are coordinated and harmonized in the unity of the State.

crockett 07-04-2017 07:22 AM

Ahh you just have to love right wing logic. They will call liberals both Nazis and socialist in the same sentence. It's clear we truly are living in the idioarcy.

It's pretty sad with all the information of the world at their finger tips they are too stupid to educate themselves with basic 6th grade education.

trevesty 07-04-2017 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 21869536)
Nazism is a derivative of Fascism, which was created in contrast of liberalism. In his the Doctrine of Fascism (AKA "absolute state"), Benito Mussolini says that liberalism (the state for a human) is the worst enemy of fascism (a human for the state):

Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal, will of man as a historic entity. It is opposed to classical liberalism which arose as a reaction to absolutism and exhausted its historical function when the State became the expression of the conscience and will of the people. Liberalism denied the State in the name of the individual; Fascism reasserts the rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individua. And if liberty is to he the attribute of living men and not of abstract dummies invented by individualistic liberalism, then Fascism stands for liberty, and for the only liberty worth having, the liberty of the State and of the individual within the State. The Fascist conception of the State is all embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism, is totalitarian, and the Fascist State - a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values - interprets, develops, and potentates the whole life of a people.

No individuals or groups (political parties, cultural associations, economic unions, social classes) outside the State. Fascism is therefore opposed to Socialism to which unity within the State (which amalgamates classes into a single economic and ethical reality) is unknown, and which sees in history nothing but the class struggle. Fascism is likewise opposed to trade unionism as a class weapon. But when brought within the orbit of the State, Fascism recognizes the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which divergent interests are coordinated and harmonized in the unity of the State.

:thumbsup

Glad someone knows their political science.

Hitler and Mussolini absolutely despised everything the USSR stood for.

JFK 07-04-2017 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by trevesty (Post 21869611)
:thumbsup

Glad someone knows their political science.

Hitler and Mussolini absolutely despised everything the USSR stood for.

Were they Wrong ?:2 cents:

Farang 07-04-2017 09:32 AM

Speaking of Nazis, I read this great book recently called Blitzed: Drugs in Nazi Germany.

TheSquealer 07-04-2017 10:02 AM

we get it already... you get paid for sig views.

RedFred 07-04-2017 11:41 AM

It's no secret Nazi's gravitate towards Trump and the right wing.



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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/...7849422091.jpg


http://media.salon.com/2016/03/trump...ign_worker.jpg


http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/as...xlarge-169.jpg


http://www.bizpacreview.com/wp-conte...-KKK-Trump.jpg


https://news.vice.com/wp-content/upl...QM-960x658.jpg


http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1...3158856212.jpg

mce 07-04-2017 12:58 PM

Wasn't Hitler a vegetarian tree hugger granola-type dude?

Just asking

mce 07-04-2017 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 21869368)
They were neither. They were an extremist group who wowed people with their radical change ideas. They weren't evil and crazy sounding at first. It almost sounded positive. But then they took power and abused it without limitations. Broke rules, attacked specific ethnic groups singling them out as the 'real problem with germany'. Your constitution is supposed to protect against such tyranny. So as long as it is protected and upheld things like that should not happen.




No, that is the way you would like it to be. But you are wrong. Look up the word liberal and it will become more obvious to you.

Hmmmm Not so fast


The Porn Nerd 07-04-2017 01:28 PM

The World nowadays is completely upside down and ass-backwards (or, bass-akwards).

What was once 'right' is now called 'left' and vice versa. This is all part of "The Plan" to confuse people, fuck with their lives, mix up words so they don't have any meaning (or different ones than their traditional ones) ALL to create confusion and to control people.

And guess what? It's working like a charm. Oh - and ALL today's propaganda stunts were carried out (and many invented by) Nazis.

Carry on.

Farang 07-04-2017 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mce (Post 21870241)
Wasn't Hitler a vegetarian tree hugger granola-type dude?

Just asking

Injecting himself with all kinds of animal shit including bull semen. Hardly a vegetarian :)

thommy 07-04-2017 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 21869455)
mybrainistaken trying to blame the left for Hitler and his facist ideology - no surprise there

my dear god - i think i am dreaming.
people who calling others "nazi" do not even know what this ideology is.

i mean, yes - hitler is dead but if i read around here i think there are more than enough 100% copies in GFY.

thommy 07-04-2017 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mce (Post 21870301)
Hmmmm Not so fast


thatīs a poor explanation in that video.
fact is: if you go left from the left and right from the right you will see that both sides are unite in one and the same desaster. they just give it another name.

either in extreme communism nor in fascism nor in capitalism the individual has kind of value. it is like an "all for the ideology" "all for the king" "all for god" "all for the president".

a single human life have no value in this kind of ideological streams.
thatīs the same as "make america great again" - in that sentence humanity and individuality is not exiting - but individuality is in fact what we ALL want. even people who have voted for that slogan.

mopek1 07-04-2017 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mce (Post 21870301)
Hmmmm Not so fast


I'm not so sure about that explanation. It was weak and only took a few examples of what Hitler did to prove that he was socialist.

It's a more complex issue than that.

Many scholars have taken the position that he was right wing and I believe he was too.

The point I'm making isn't to make conservatives look bad like some people do saying, "Well look, Hitler was from the Right, therefore the right is evil." Mao and Stalin were from the left and killed many more than Hitler did.

If this thread was started to stimulate discussion then some very good points were made already regarding Hitler and the Nazis being extremest, right wingers. But if (as is the case on gfy often) it was for sig whoring or trying to keep the board alive with drama threads and conflict topic starters then ... well, I'm out.

Bladewire 07-05-2017 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 21869455)
mybrainistaken trying to blame the left for Hitler and his facist ideology - no surprise there

He says liberals are fascists :1orglaugh bless his tiny little heart

Bladewire 07-05-2017 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by mopek1 (Post 21870502)
I'm not so sure about that explanation. It was weak and only took a few examples of what Hitler did to prove that he was socialist.

It's a more complex issue than that.

Many scholars have taken the position that he was right wing and I believe he was too.

The point I'm making isn't to make conservatives look bad like some people do saying, "Well look, Hitler was from the Right, therefore the right is evil." Mao and Stalin were from the left and killed many more than Hitler did.

If this thread was started to stimulate discussion then some very good points were made already regarding Hitler and the Nazis being extremest, right wingers. But if (as is the case on gfy often) it was for sig whoring or trying to keep the board alive with drama threads and conflict topic starters then ... well, I'm out.

It's pure stupidity to claim leftist, who believe in equality were Nazis, who killed everyone for being unequal.

Alt-right white nationalist are a sad group of people.

CaptainHowdy 07-05-2017 09:42 AM

The right word is "totalitarians".

danep 07-06-2017 02:00 AM

I think that we are not asking the right question. What definitions catered to them can be a nice semantic discussion, however there's another elephant in the living room.
I would ask what made a mass of people indifferent enough to cooperate and surrender to them, that is the puzzling phenomenon in my humble opinion.

mce 07-06-2017 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy (Post 21871648)
The right word is "totalitarians".

You do understand the original context of that word and who formulated it, right?

CaptainHowdy 07-06-2017 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mce (Post 21873220)
You do understand the original context of that word and who formulated it, right?

What there is to understand? All these political concepts are trifles nowadays.

oppoten 07-06-2017 04:19 PM

They were NATIONALISTS and SOCIALISTS >>>>>

The individual's duty to the collective, and the collective's duty to the individual. Or "whiteness", as it's otherwise known.

oppoten 07-06-2017 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21871642)
It's pure stupidity to claim leftist, who believe in equality were Nazis, who killed everyone for being unequal.

Equality = "Gentiles are all the same".

Equality cannot be understood outside the Jewish conception of it. But the problem is, no non-Jews view the world the way that Jews do, From a Jewish perspective, equality = "we look down upon the peoples of the man-made religions". But no non-Jews even have a conception of "man-made religions". "Eshem vs whatever" is purely hypothetical.

For your own sakes, get out of your ivory tower and see what we see :2 cents:


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