paysite vs avs site question - GoFuckYourself.com

Marcus · 01-12-2003, 07:56 PM

If you have your own content, plenty of traffic to feed the site and your own paid hosting, does it make any sense to start a site as an AVS site vs. making it a paysite?

PerfectionGirls · 01-12-2003, 07:57 PM

What about a paysite that starts an AVS site to feed traffic to their paysites?

Lethal · 01-12-2003, 07:58 PM

AVS:
* retention is based on quality of AVS service
* provides traffic
* have to follow AVS's rules
* takes half your money and might shave

PAYSITE:
* you worry about retention and updates
* you have to worry about chargebacks etc
* you keep all the money (- processor fees)

Marcus · 01-12-2003, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
What about a paysite that starts an AVS site to feed traffic to their paysites?

If you start an avs site and it becomes popular and takes off, then you move it over to be a paysite, then you lost your avs site rebills...right?

Marcus · 01-12-2003, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lethal
AVS:
* retention is based on quality of AVS service
* provides traffic
* have to follow AVS's rules
* takes half your money and might shave

PAYSITE:
* you worry about retention and updates
* you have to worry about chargebacks etc
* you keep all the money (- processor fees)

perfect. thank you

Voodoo · 01-12-2003, 08:06 PM

Hey Marcus...
Were you trying to contact me via my contact page yesterday?
I got an ICQ message from "Marcus", said it was important.

If so, send another message and include your ICQ#.

<IMX> · 01-12-2003, 08:07 PM

Lethal--

Pretty good breakdown, I would add that nothing is stopping you from doing both and testing. There are risk/rewards with any partnership--and AVS is just that. Also "rules" are dependent on whether you are link listed AND what your site is like. You can always work out a flexible deal with most avs systems out there, rules are designed to make money for everyone in the network, not be a source of aggravation for webmasters.

If a had more time I'd go more in depth, but I'll bookmark this thread and come back tomorrow evening when I'll have a bit more time.

A great example of a site that does BOTH is bikinivoyeur.com
They have a program through ccbill and one through proadult.com (an avs)
I suggest you talk to them.

Cheers,
Tony

FlyingIguana · 01-12-2003, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Marcus

If you start an avs site and it becomes popular and takes off, then you move it over to be a paysite, then you lost your avs site rebills...right?

offer them a free 2 weeks if they switch over to your paysite from the avs

Marcus · 01-12-2003, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Voodoo
Hey Marcus...
Were you trying to contact me via my contact page yesterday?
I got an ICQ message from "Marcus", said it was important.

Wasnt me, I dont use that name on icq.
it might have been marcu5

PerfectionGirls · 01-12-2003, 08:19 PM

Well... heres the reason why I ask....

We have been thinking as starting a premium avs site.. with 400 plus pics. With galleries on each of our girls. Using that avs site to feed traffic to our other paysites. i.e. Want to see more of this model? Heres her real site.

I really dont know a ton about it other then its great traffic. The idea was posed to me by the guy that is designing our sites. It seems to be a good idea, but I dno't know all the in's and outs of it.

Tipsy · 01-12-2003, 08:19 PM

Of course it also depends on the content. Content suitable for an AVS is often not suitable to run a successful paysite with and a 'good' paysite will usually have far to much in to run as an AVS (all the existing AVS members not paying you a dime but burning bandwidth etc). I'd personally say that in many situations they are totally different beasts and not really compatible.

SpaceAce · 01-12-2003, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
Well... heres the reason why I ask....

We have been thinking as starting a premium avs site.. with 400 plus pics. With galleries on each of our girls. Using that avs site to feed traffic to our other paysites. i.e. Want to see more of this model? Heres her real site.

I really dont know a ton about it other then its great traffic. The idea was posed to me by the guy that is designing our sites. It seems to be a good idea, but I dno't know all the in's and outs of it.

I like AVS sites, myself. They are like no-hassle paysites.

You may want to consider taking one step back and making a premium AVS site and feeding _that_ with your galleries and with traffic from regular AVS sites built around the models. It's pretty much the same plan you posted above, but you skip the paysite and just promote the premium AVS. That can be a very successful method. Also, in my experience, it is a lot easier to sell an AVS membership than to sell any single paysite.

SpaceAce

01-12-2003, 09:14 PM

Also, if the surfer doesn't like your site, he has a better chance to retain with an AVS membership than if he just had a single membership to your site.

I'm just a friend of Premium AVS.

01-12-2003, 09:15 PM

in the end you'll get more out of the sold AVS membership...

SpaceAce · 01-12-2003, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Equinox
Also, if the surfer doesn't like your site, he has a better chance to retain with an AVS membership than if he just had a single membership to your site.

I'm just a friend of Premium AVS.

Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention that. With recurring AVS memberships, retention is way better than any paysite I've ever used.

SpaceAce

01-12-2003, 09:23 PM

Hey Ace, hit me up, wouldya? 155421

Backov · 01-12-2003, 10:10 PM

I agree with pretty much all that's been said.

With a GOOD Premium AVS (AC Gold was, may still be, ProAdult, some others) - you'll get 80%+ retention. Even with the lower payout, that's usually better in the long run.

It's perfect for a site that's got good content, but is too weak for a paysite.. Then all you have to do is get the initial sale and hope that they like the rest of the stuff in the AVS enough to stick around.

Cheers,
Backov

kevinl · 01-12-2003, 10:57 PM

A lot of premium avs wont let you upsell.

PerfectionGirls · 01-12-2003, 11:07 PM

Good info guys... thanks

01-12-2003, 07:56 PM	#1
Marcus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,472	paysite vs avs site question If you have your own content, plenty of traffic to feed the site and your own paid hosting, does it make any sense to start a site as an AVS site vs. making it a paysite?

01-12-2003, 07:57 PM	#2
PerfectionGirls Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MI Posts: 4,484	What about a paysite that starts an AVS site to feed traffic to their paysites? __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

01-12-2003, 08:06 PM	#6
Voodoo ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 10,592	Hey Marcus... Were you trying to contact me via my contact page yesterday? I got an ICQ message from "Marcus", said it was important. If so, send another message and include your ICQ#. __________________ "I'm selflessly supporting the common good, but only coincidentally looking out for No.1."

01-12-2003, 08:07 PM	#7
<IMX> Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,728	Lethal-- Pretty good breakdown, I would add that nothing is stopping you from doing both and testing. There are risk/rewards with any partnership--and AVS is just that. Also "rules" are dependent on whether you are link listed AND what your site is like. You can always work out a flexible deal with most avs systems out there, rules are designed to make money for everyone in the network, not be a source of aggravation for webmasters. If a had more time I'd go more in depth, but I'll bookmark this thread and come back tomorrow evening when I'll have a bit more time. A great example of a site that does BOTH is bikinivoyeur.com They have a program through ccbill and one through proadult.com (an avs) I suggest you talk to them. Cheers, Tony __________________ $$$ Check out NICHE PAY the leader of Micro Niche Sites! They offer $1 Trials! $$$ $$$ Check out 10 FREE TRIAL SALES equals 1 FREE LAP TOP ! $$$

01-12-2003, 08:19 PM	#10
PerfectionGirls Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MI Posts: 4,484	Well... heres the reason why I ask.... We have been thinking as starting a premium avs site.. with 400 plus pics. With galleries on each of our girls. Using that avs site to feed traffic to our other paysites. i.e. Want to see more of this model? Heres her real site. I really dont know a ton about it other then its great traffic. The idea was posed to me by the guy that is designing our sites. It seems to be a good idea, but I dno't know all the in's and outs of it. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

01-12-2003, 07:58 PM	#3
Lethal Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 494	AVS: * retention is based on quality of AVS service * provides traffic * have to follow AVS's rules * takes half your money and might shave PAYSITE: * you worry about retention and updates * you have to worry about chargebacks etc * you keep all the money (- processor fees)

01-12-2003, 08:19 PM	#11
Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	Of course it also depends on the content. Content suitable for an AVS is often not suitable to run a successful paysite with and a 'good' paysite will usually have far to much in to run as an AVS (all the existing AVS members not paying you a dime but burning bandwidth etc). I'd personally say that in many situations they are totally different beasts and not really compatible. __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.

01-12-2003, 09:14 PM	#13
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	Also, if the surfer doesn't like your site, he has a better chance to retain with an AVS membership than if he just had a single membership to your site. I'm just a friend of Premium AVS.

01-12-2003, 09:15 PM	#14
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	in the end you'll get more out of the sold AVS membership...

01-12-2003, 09:23 PM	#16
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	Hey Ace, hit me up, wouldya? 155421

01-12-2003, 10:10 PM	#17
Backov Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Cat Detector Van Posts: 1,600	I agree with pretty much all that's been said. With a GOOD Premium AVS (AC Gold was, may still be, ProAdult, some others) - you'll get 80%+ retention. Even with the lower payout, that's usually better in the long run. It's perfect for a site that's got good content, but is too weak for a paysite.. Then all you have to do is get the initial sale and hope that they like the rest of the stuff in the AVS enough to stick around. Cheers, Backov __________________ <embed src="http://banners.spotbrokers.com/button.swf" FlashVars="clickURL=http://banners.spotbrokers.com" quality=high pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="120" height="60"></embed>

01-12-2003, 10:57 PM	#18
kevinl Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: US Posts: 261	A lot of premium avs wont let you upsell. __________________ kevinl

01-12-2003, 11:07 PM	#19
PerfectionGirls Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MI Posts: 4,484	Good info guys... thanks __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.