Your experience with auto-submitters? - GoFuckYourself.com

GeorgeTH · 01-07-2003, 06:30 PM

I would like to know a little more about each program on the market!
My big question is: will hand-submitters like me stand a chance against all the auto-submitted galleries?

· What's behind the 'glossy' promises on their front pages?
· Can anybody give some figures of likelyhood to get listed when submitting with an autosubmitter (big players/small TGPs)?
· I'd like to know if/how these tools handle password submissions (I probably hold a pwd with 70% of all TGPs I submit to...)!
· How much time can one really save compared to manual submissions with the help of Roboform?
· Any chance to submit a thumbnail with any of these tools (I noticed in several lists -when provided- NONE of the thumbnail-based TGPs like madthumbs, teeniefiles, etc.)? About 40% of my traffic comes from these sites!

Any reply appreciated! CHEERS

Dusen · 01-07-2003, 06:44 PM

I would stick definately stick with hand submission. Don't get lured into the dark side!

Apollo · 01-07-2003, 07:41 PM

My suggestion is to stick to hand submissions for TGPs your regularly post to, or at most use a manual submission assistant. Autosubmitting to the larger TGPs will do nothing but cause you grief.

Autosubmitters on the other hand are great for submitting to TGPs you would never give the time of day to....while the traffic is minimal compared to the big TGPs, traffic is traffic regardless and only takes an extra few minutes per gallery to setup.

some_idiot · 01-07-2003, 08:06 PM

Replying on my RIM again, excuse formatting. (when you get few bucks every night is friday, I'm at the pub)

Do yourself a BIG favour and get G.A.S.S. and RoboForm.

Fully auto-submit means NO control over the process and you'll lose 60% before the TGP webaster even sees it.

Also auto submitters don't pick up subtle changes like a moved recip, change pic count or banner count for months.

If you want money and not some quick free traffic, why put your ass in someone else's hands?

mongoose403 · 01-07-2003, 09:26 PM

dont risk getting blacklisted, stick with G.A.S.S

very sweet product....

Marcus · 01-07-2003, 09:35 PM

I can always tell when a gallery has been sent by an auto submitter.

I tried russian submitter but about a week after I started using it I started getting a FUCKLOAD of virii sent to me via email and I still get them everyday. Probably a hundred a day.

It paid for itself but not much more. Wish I never used it.

Sarah_Jayne · 01-07-2003, 10:24 PM

so, if I am trying to decided between G.A.S.S. and Apollo's program what are the differences?

some_idiot · 01-07-2003, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sarah_webinc
so, if I am trying to decided between G.A.S.S. and Apollo's program what are the differences?

Can't say about Apollo...

but G.A.S.S is a REAL email, REAL phone number , and
he checks in here. NOTHING BUT GOOD to say about the
guy! He even started looking into a unix version when
I bitched, but MS doesn't make Explorer for free Unices.
Double thumbs up to G.A.S.S. with RoboForm! You can
do 300 tgps in an hour.

Babaganoosh · 01-07-2003, 11:38 PM

GASS is excellent. I used to use it every day. Today though, I would recommend

http://www.advancedsubmitter.com/

moresexmovies · 01-07-2003, 11:40 PM

Make the galleries with advanced submitter and submit by hand, thay's trustfull

GeorgeTH · 01-08-2003, 12:02 AM

Thanks for the replies so far ;)
Interesting that the first 3 told me to stick with hand-submitting.

Now excuse my ignorance, but I thought G.A.S.S. and advancedsubmitter were kind of autosubmitters... I deffinitely included them in my thinking when I asked this question...

So where is the difference?

And what's the advantage of using them as compared to roboform (which truly rocks once set-up). I'm contemplating to write my own little script to create the gallery copies with relevant recips (no big deal).

Another question:
does anybody know a syntax to parse with an html-link a particular information into a form?
I know the way it works with links from warez sites to password protected sites, but this syntax doesn't work with forms. I have an internal web page with all my relevant submission URLs and passwords, and it would be great if clicking the link would do two things:
· open the page with the submission form
· and parse my password into the relevant field

Thanks for the replies so far - keep them coming...

Marcus · 01-08-2003, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by some_idiot

Double thumbs up to G.A.S.S. with RoboForm! You can
do 300 tgps in an hour.

how do you guys get roboform to work with GASS?

My roboform doesnt popup when I'm using gass.
Be great if it did so I wouldn't have to retype all the info and look up passwords constantly

darksoft · 01-08-2003, 01:35 AM

Right-click menu is how to use roboform with G.A.S.S.

pxtreme75 · 01-08-2003, 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GeorgeTH
I would like to know a little more about each program on the market!
My big question is: will hand-submitters like me stand a chance against all the auto-submitted galleries?

· What's behind the 'glossy' promises on their front pages?
· Can anybody give some figures of likelyhood to get listed when submitting with an autosubmitter (big players/small TGPs)?
· I'd like to know if/how these tools handle password submissions (I probably hold a pwd with 70% of all TGPs I submit to...)!
· How much time can one really save compared to manual submissions with the help of Roboform?
· Any chance to submit a thumbnail with any of these tools (I noticed in several lists -when provided- NONE of the thumbnail-based TGPs like madthumbs, teeniefiles, etc.)? About 40% of my traffic comes from these sites!

Any reply appreciated! CHEERS

AdvancedSubmitter is not an autosubmitter. It can be used to Autosubmit, but it was not build for this reason. Actually, there is no difference between manual submitting and semi-automatic submissions using it. And most important, nothing unethical.

Regarding your questions, its easy to handle password submissions with AdvancedSubmitter. You just creat a filling rule using your password for a specific site and forget about it. Every time you browse the submit page it will be automatically filled.

Also, there is no problem to submit to thumbnail tgps just because the submission pass prompts you with the exact submission page, with all known fields filled with correct values. You can directly make all needed adjustments like adding a thumbnail.

AdvancedSubmitter does not need RoboForm, it integrates its own form filling solution. This speeds up submission time at least 10fold.

GeorgeTH · 01-08-2003, 03:05 AM

Cheers, pxtreme75! That was an in-depth reply...

Now all I have to do is wait for a compatable reply re. GASS...

And what's about the others on the market? besides the infamous russian (which I'd rather don't use for what I read so far)

Dusen · 01-08-2003, 05:03 AM

Hey, don't get the wrong impression - Hand submission is definately the way to go, but there are hundreds of small TGPs in Russian Submitter that DO accept auto submitters, and my clients have gotten very good traffic from those as well. Specific niche traffic especially.

But for the top ~100 big ones, you definately need to hand submit.

GeorgeTH · 01-08-2003, 03:38 PM

*bumb* slipped a bit whilst I was in bed

TomsPics · 01-08-2003, 04:16 PM

Yeah id have yo say there both great programs, but i recently bought advanced submitter and saved about 2-3 hours of work a day. Must be extra carefull and takes a few days to customize but its wroth it in the long run, I still use gass to this day though, some tgps only want there recip for those tgp's i use gass for those...

Hoped i helped you in some way

aedx · 01-08-2003, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GeorgeTH
Cheers, pxtreme75! That was an in-depth reply...

Now all I have to do is wait for a compatable reply re. GASS...

And what's about the others on the market? besides the infamous russian (which I'd rather don't use for what I read so far)

i've bought chameleon submitter some time ago. i tried more submitters, but this one has no serious competitor. it uses both auto submit and manual submit to tgps which require it. of course it fills forms when you submit manually. it's fully customizable and i've never had a problem with any tgp, because it follows ALL the rules....

and what i really like - despite there are ~1200 tgps in the database it's really fast even on dial-up connection...

GeorgeTH · 01-08-2003, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by aedx
i've bought chameleon submitter some time ago. i tried more submitters, but this one has no serious competitor. it uses both auto submit and manual submit to tgps which require it.

But I believe that chameleon can't handle thumbnail submissions - it deffinitely doesn't have any of the big thumbnail tgps (madthumbs, teeniefiles, stileporn, etc.) in it's database...

sonomasnap · 01-08-2003, 06:47 PM

G.A.S.S. is the best. LinkUpPro is also really good and handles linklists and more.

dav555add · 01-08-2003, 06:50 PM

Identify the top 30 to 50 tgp's out there
hand submit and hand confirm to each one of them
choose one auto submitter and make sure you do not auto submit to the top 30*50
shoot

Willf · 01-08-2003, 06:51 PM

I bought advanced submitter about a month ago and it really is good.

It takes a bit of setting up to get the correct recips/submission pages into it but now its setup it's a breeze to use.

I am hand submiting to about 400 TGP's in about 2 1/2 hours.

FreeFastHost · 01-08-2003, 06:55 PM

Go with GASS.

TFCash · 01-08-2003, 07:49 PM

GeorgeTH -

advancedsubmitter has a demo that does all you need to give it a try on thier website, so at least give it a try.

Tim

GeorgeTH · 01-09-2003, 12:23 AM

Ah - really fucking great!

After all the raving about GASS I downloaded the evaluation copy of GASS 2 - tried to install it and got an error: "There's not enough room to install the Borland Database module on C:" - I checked: 6.05 gigabytes free - so I clicked "Install anyhow" - Gass 2 didn't run and didn't even shut down [ctrl-alt-del was the only option]...

I guess it's as with all Borland products: not updated for the last decade and can't recognize large HDs - what good is that then...

Any better ideas?

darksoft · 01-09-2003, 12:36 AM

Sounds like you have problems with your system. Installs and runs fine on hundreds of other systems, including those running win2k pro and XP. If you are running XP have you tried being logged in as administrator?

tornell · 01-09-2003, 05:33 AM

try #1

Chameleon Submitter

jfkpt · 01-09-2003, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TomsPics
Yeah id have yo say there both great programs, but i recently bought advanced submitter and saved about 2-3 hours of work a day. Must be extra carefull and takes a few days to customize but its wroth it in the long run, I still use gass to this day though, some tgps only want there recip for those tgp's i use gass for those...

Hoped i helped you in some way

Hello, are you the owner of Tomspics?
I've been submitting to your TGP, real cool one.

Well, that said, here's a comment to your reply:
i use advanced submitter to submit to those TGP's that only want their recip.

Just create a different database for them and then when creating the gallery chose only 1 recip per file, that way you'll get different files for every different TGP.
Hope i could help

Jotafk

GeorgeTH · 01-09-2003, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by darksoft
Sounds like you have problems with your system. Installs and runs fine on hundreds of other systems, including those running win2k pro and XP. If you are running XP have you tried being logged in as administrator?

I'm not aware of ANY problems with my system; it's a clean new install only about 3 months old, nothing else (except the 'normal' Netscape 4.7) crashes, no corrupt data, and I am logged as admin... Anyhow: great first impression of a new piece of software I'm supposed to buy. And I hate to spend time on things which won't work straight away; so thanks for the tip "uninstall and re-install" (and wait if it crashes again?)...

To all of you pushing Chameleon: you still owe me an answer regarding thumbnail submission!

darksoft · 01-09-2003, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GeorgeTH

I'm not aware of ANY problems with my system; it's a clean new install only about 3 months old, nothing else (except the 'normal' Netscape 4.7) crashes, no corrupt data, and I am logged as admin... Anyhow: great first impression of a new piece of software I'm supposed to buy. And I hate to spend time on things which won't work straight away; so thanks for the tip "uninstall and re-install" (and wait if it crashes again?)...

To all of you pushing Chameleon: you still owe me an answer regarding thumbnail submission!

Whew... since it won't work on your pristine system and you obviously have better things to do than try and install my software, I am spared having to deal with you as a customer. Thank the Lord!

If you had a little better attitude about things maybe I would have made more of an effort, but first impressions are the most lasting. You were an insufferable prick at the start of this thread and now you've spread it across at least 2 boards and maintained my impression of you right down to the last drop. I pity whoever finally ends up with you as their customer.

G Sharp · 01-09-2003, 06:55 PM

If time is a factor or just don't want to bother with the hassle, try using a hand submission service. Average is $15 a day, although I've seen one for as low as $5 on the ARS board.

GeorgeTH · 01-09-2003, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by darksoft
If you had a little better attitude about things maybe I would have made more of an effort, but first impressions are the most lasting. You were an insufferable prick at the start of this thread

- what please?? Which part offended you in my initial posts at the start of this thread???

Quote:

and now you've spread it across at least 2 boards and maintained my impression of you right down to the last drop.

Downright false and a lie: the only other reference you might find from me is a cross-link to this post on AWW - but never did I mention there anything about this problem! If there are any other posts mentioning this problem then they must be from someone else! Maybe this problem is far more wide reaching than you want to realise?

And yes: I do get pissed off if software doesn't even install properly!
I would think this should be a problem of the last century (way back to WIN 3.11 times)!

I rather get the impression
a) that you're feeling hurt because someone dared to critisize your precious work in public!
or
b) you're one of these nice guys on this board who take it's name literally GFY and approach things that way - just read over your own posts on your own board and take notice how you're treating TGP owners... GFY
(I actually went there first to see if I could find any quick solution - before I sent an email and posted here...)

Discussion with you closed from my point of view

GeorgeTH · 01-09-2003, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GeorgeTH
Ah - really fucking great!
I guess it's as with all Borland products: not updated for the last decade and can't recognize large HDs - what good is that then...

...Mr. oh-so-sensible-gass - did you notice - even in this post I didn't really blame your precious GASS in the first place, but rather the Borland module you're using...
I had a lot of respect for Borland from around 1987 onwards until the early/mid 90s; Delphi was a top product for some time (and this from an old dbase/Clipper programmer!), but once their only activity became to buy up competing products and lay them to rest, I lost all respect for Borland...

Hand up who's still using any Boland products?

...but maybe Mr.darksoft got himself stuck in the dark ages of Win 3.1 and Borland Delphi... Hello! This is 2003! We're 10 years on!

darksoft · 01-09-2003, 09:10 PM

Georgie, georgie... get a grip. Did you not notice I was glad you hadn't bought my program? I had thought to say more but your 2 previous rants speak volumes...

flyingco · 01-11-2003, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dusen
I would stick definately stick with hand submission. Don't get lured into the dark side!

Spoken like a great adult webmaster. Hand submission is the way to gain great adult traffic. No doubt about it.

-Nato

flyingco · 01-11-2003, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Willf
I bought advanced submitter about a month ago and it really is good.

It takes a bit of setting up to get the correct recips/submission pages into it but now its setup it's a breeze to use.

I am hand submiting to about 400 TGP's in about 2 1/2 hours.

Wow, can I hire you? Guess my maths is wrong. Check out our site www.handsubmission.net. That is just my maths......

-Nato

flyingco · 01-11-2003, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dusen
Hey, don't get the wrong impression - Hand submission is definately the way to go, but there are hundreds of small TGPs in Russian Submitter that DO accept auto submitters, and my clients have gotten very good traffic from those as well. Specific niche traffic especially.

But for the top ~100 big ones, you definately need to hand submit.

I concur with you. The original company Gallery Submit is great but we are no pushovers in this industry either. You might want to check us out.

-Nato

01-07-2003, 06:44 PM	#2
Dusen Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: East Coast. Posts: 2,251	I would stick definately stick with hand submission. Don't get lured into the dark side! __________________ Penis Pill Sponsor List and Reviews: http://www.pillsponsors.com

01-07-2003, 07:41 PM	#3
Apollo Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 433	My suggestion is to stick to hand submissions for TGPs your regularly post to, or at most use a manual submission assistant. Autosubmitting to the larger TGPs will do nothing but cause you grief. Autosubmitters on the other hand are great for submitting to TGPs you would never give the time of day to....while the traffic is minimal compared to the big TGPs, traffic is traffic regardless and only takes an extra few minutes per gallery to setup. __________________ ----------- Free automated way to rotate sponsor gallery thumbnails on your sites TgpWizards - Free TGP Gallery submission system

01-07-2003, 08:06 PM	#4
some_idiot Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Doesn't matter, I'm not buying you another pint! Posts: 1,511	Replying on my RIM again, excuse formatting. (when you get few bucks every night is friday, I'm at the pub) Do yourself a BIG favour and get G.A.S.S. and RoboForm. Fully auto-submit means NO control over the process and you'll lose 60% before the TGP webaster even sees it. Also auto submitters don't pick up subtle changes like a moved recip, change pic count or banner count for months. If you want money and not some quick free traffic, why put your ass in someone else's hands? __________________ This AVS pays my mortgage!

01-07-2003, 09:26 PM	#5
mongoose403 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: wild ho country Posts: 143	dont risk getting blacklisted, stick with G.A.S.S very sweet product.... __________________ .

01-07-2003, 11:38 PM	#9
Babaganoosh ♥♥♥ Likes Hugs ♥♥♥ Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: /home Posts: 15,841	GASS is excellent. I used to use it every day. Today though, I would recommend http://www.advancedsubmitter.com/ __________________ I like pie.

01-07-2003, 06:30 PM	#1
GeorgeTH Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: too much in front of my monitor... Posts: 367	Your experience with auto-submitters? I would like to know a little more about each program on the market! My big question is: will hand-submitters like me stand a chance against all the auto-submitted galleries? · What's behind the 'glossy' promises on their front pages? · Can anybody give some figures of likelyhood to get listed when submitting with an autosubmitter (big players/small TGPs)? · I'd like to know if/how these tools handle password submissions (I probably hold a pwd with 70% of all TGPs I submit to...)! · How much time can one really save compared to manual submissions with the help of Roboform? · Any chance to submit a thumbnail with any of these tools (I noticed in several lists -when provided- NONE of the thumbnail-based TGPs like madthumbs, teeniefiles, etc.)? About 40% of my traffic comes from these sites! Any reply appreciated! CHEERS __________________ Spam me with design ideas for my signature - LOL!

01-07-2003, 09:35 PM	#6
Marcus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,472	I can always tell when a gallery has been sent by an auto submitter. I tried russian submitter but about a week after I started using it I started getting a FUCKLOAD of virii sent to me via email and I still get them everyday. Probably a hundred a day. It paid for itself but not much more. Wish I never used it.

01-07-2003, 10:24 PM	#7
Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	so, if I am trying to decided between G.A.S.S. and Apollo's program what are the differences?

01-07-2003, 11:40 PM	#10
moresexmovies Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 73	Make the galleries with advanced submitter and submit by hand, thay's trustfull

01-08-2003, 12:02 AM	#11
GeorgeTH Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: too much in front of my monitor... Posts: 367	Thanks for the replies so far ;) Interesting that the first 3 told me to stick with hand-submitting. Now excuse my ignorance, but I thought G.A.S.S. and advancedsubmitter were kind of autosubmitters... I deffinitely included them in my thinking when I asked this question... So where is the difference? And what's the advantage of using them as compared to roboform (which truly rocks once set-up). I'm contemplating to write my own little script to create the gallery copies with relevant recips (no big deal). Another question: does anybody know a syntax to parse with an html-link a particular information into a form? I know the way it works with links from warez sites to password protected sites, but this syntax doesn't work with forms. I have an internal web page with all my relevant submission URLs and passwords, and it would be great if clicking the link would do two things: · open the page with the submission form · and parse my password into the relevant field Thanks for the replies so far - keep them coming... __________________ Spam me with design ideas for my signature - LOL!

01-08-2003, 01:35 AM	#13
darksoft Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: BumFuck Ohio Posts: 768	Right-click menu is how to use roboform with G.A.S.S.

01-08-2003, 03:05 AM	#15
GeorgeTH Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: too much in front of my monitor... Posts: 367	Cheers, pxtreme75! That was an in-depth reply... Now all I have to do is wait for a compatable reply re. GASS... And what's about the others on the market? besides the infamous russian (which I'd rather don't use for what I read so far) __________________ Spam me with design ideas for my signature - LOL!

01-08-2003, 05:03 AM	#16
Dusen Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: East Coast. Posts: 2,251	Hey, don't get the wrong impression - Hand submission is definately the way to go, but there are hundreds of small TGPs in Russian Submitter that DO accept auto submitters, and my clients have gotten very good traffic from those as well. Specific niche traffic especially. But for the top ~100 big ones, you definately need to hand submit. __________________ Penis Pill Sponsor List and Reviews: http://www.pillsponsors.com

01-08-2003, 03:38 PM	#17
GeorgeTH Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: too much in front of my monitor... Posts: 367	bumb slipped a bit whilst I was in bed __________________ Spam me with design ideas for my signature - LOL!

01-08-2003, 04:16 PM	#18
TomsPics Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 498	Yeah id have yo say there both great programs, but i recently bought advanced submitter and saved about 2-3 hours of work a day. Must be extra carefull and takes a few days to customize but its wroth it in the long run, I still use gass to this day though, some tgps only want there recip for those tgp's i use gass for those... Hoped i helped you in some way __________________ ICQ: 8218548

01-08-2003, 06:47 PM	#21
sonomasnap Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 410	G.A.S.S. is the best. LinkUpPro is also really good and handles linklists and more.

01-08-2003, 06:50 PM	#22
dav555add Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,427	Identify the top 30 to 50 tgp's out there hand submit and hand confirm to each one of them choose one auto submitter and make sure you do not auto submit to the top 30*50 shoot __________________ ...

01-08-2003, 06:51 PM	#23
Willf Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 42	I bought advanced submitter about a month ago and it really is good. It takes a bit of setting up to get the correct recips/submission pages into it but now its setup it's a breeze to use. I am hand submiting to about 400 TGP's in about 2 1/2 hours.

01-08-2003, 06:55 PM	#24
FreeFastHost Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,588	Go with GASS.

01-08-2003, 07:49 PM	#25
TFCash Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,738	GeorgeTH - advancedsubmitter has a demo that does all you need to give it a try on thier website, so at least give it a try. Tim

01-09-2003, 12:23 AM	#26
GeorgeTH Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: too much in front of my monitor... Posts: 367	Ah - really fucking great! After all the raving about GASS I downloaded the evaluation copy of GASS 2 - tried to install it and got an error: "There's not enough room to install the Borland Database module on C:" - I checked: 6.05 gigabytes free - so I clicked "Install anyhow" - Gass 2 didn't run and didn't even shut down [ctrl-alt-del was the only option]... I guess it's as with all Borland products: not updated for the last decade and can't recognize large HDs - what good is that then... Any better ideas? __________________ Spam me with design ideas for my signature - LOL!

01-09-2003, 12:36 AM	#27
darksoft Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: BumFuck Ohio Posts: 768	Sounds like you have problems with your system. Installs and runs fine on hundreds of other systems, including those running win2k pro and XP. If you are running XP have you tried being logged in as administrator?

01-09-2003, 05:33 AM	#28
tornell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: United States Posts: 4,188	try #1 Chameleon Submitter __________________ Pregnant Porn ★ SpankBang Xom★ Cuckolds Porn★ Best Porn Flix

01-09-2003, 06:55 PM	#32
G Sharp So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,343	If time is a factor or just don't want to bother with the hassle, try using a hand submission service. Average is $15 a day, although I've seen one for as low as $5 on the ARS board.

01-09-2003, 09:10 PM	#35
darksoft Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: BumFuck Ohio Posts: 768	Georgie, georgie... get a grip. Did you not notice I was glad you hadn't bought my program? I had thought to say more but your 2 previous rants speak volumes...