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Deej

I'm not taking that as trash talk... what brough that comment on as well...

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baddog

You must be a French-Canadian.

Socks

Why would you say that?

This guy doesn't even know that's he's about TEN times wrong about how much a field worker gets paid too.

But it's okay Baddog, you're much smarter than common sense. You go vote for him.

Lycanthrope

He is obviously addressing a group of people with some sort of sense of entitlement. I'm guessing union workers somewhere? He knows damn well field workers don't make 50 bucks an hour. He offered a challenge. I bet no one took him up on it.

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GatorB

You mean like ignorant rednecks that make minimum wage voting for Bush over Gore and Kerry because someone told them those guys would take away their guns? Not only would they still have their guns they would have gotten a pay raise YEARS ago. I always find it amusing to hear low wage rednecks bitching about low wages then you ask who they vote for and they say they vote republican I say "Well there you go". They don't get it.

Socks

It's like not understanding why the fat kid weighs down the teeter totter.

Like is it that hard to understand where rich people get their money from? I mean, like gee.

leg4

He is right.

Totally right.

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baddog

Because you seem to have a problem with English comprehension, so I figured it was a 2nd or 3rd language for you.

And it is obvious you missed everything he was saying, and what he was saying was true.

None of those people could do it for $50/hour. He was not suggesting that is how much migrant workers are paid. He was saying Mexicans work for dirt cheap wages, while the cracker couldn't do it for $50/hour.

If you weren't so quick to slam the guy you might have picked up on that on your own.

kane

The funny thing is Obama pointed this out earlier this year and got trashed for it. He basically said that many people don't vote for president based on economic issues because they feel that neither candidate will do them any good so they focus on things that can directly effect them like God and guns. That is how it goes. People vote for strange reasons and election after election it happens.

GrouchyAdmin

Jesus this forum is full of people who do nothing but fucking whine.

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GatorB

What does your comment have to do with anything I said?

GatorB

Yep as long as someone promises they'll let them have the right to blow someone away, prevent the fags down the road from getting married, prevent some whore from getting an aboration and thus force and unwanted kid into social services for 18 years at tax payer expense and make non-Christian kids to pray in school and teach creationism they'll vote for the guy. Then they sit and wonder how is was their job went to Mexico or India or China.

baddog

People vote for what effects them. If you are worse off today than you were 8 years ago, then you might want Obama.

It would be a winning ticket if Biden was pres and Obama was veep, but I doubt Biden would have picked him.

Gouge

I'm not seeing where he is Trashes American Workers, he is simply saying what others wont or are affraid to say. Gargiulo, Inc runs almost all of the state of Fla when it comes to produce and they have pickers making $200-300 per day, the work is back breaking and 99% of Americans wont go work in the fields.

baddog

Are they paid by the hour or the pound? That sounds like pretty good money for a field worker.

pocketkangaroo

I don't think they do. I think people vote for who they feel they connect with, who they'd want to get a beer with. Take the Hillary supporters who were so bitter and refuse to vote for Obama. Obama and Hillary's plans aren't too far apart, yet to these people it was more important to vote for the person instead of what they represent.

Fact is that anyone making under $50,000 a year should vote Democrat. It's in their best interest. They'd get more government help, higher wages, and free health care. They also wouldn't pay in much, if anything at all. While that may be horrible for the country, it would be the smartest thing they could do for their own self interest.

But these people don't. They vote on issues like gay marriage, flag burning, prayer in school and abortion. Things that have zero impact on their well being.

Both parties have to get people to vote against their best interest to win, but Republicans do it much better. They are much better politicians and run much better campaigns. They learned a long time ago that the average American doesn't vote based on their own self interest, and that they could get votes by appealing to a few fringe issues that don't effect anyone at all.

davidd

And your comment illustrates the difference between Democrats and Republican voters. I will lump the Libertarians in with the Republicans on this as they match on this topic.

I do not want help from Government! Never have... never will. I want a neutered government with limited powers and abilities.

Government should not be dictating wages.

Government should not be providing health care... This is not the role of the federal government. If a state chooses to be a socialist utopia... rock on. I will then be able to move and not deal with it. Choice... Freedom of movement to make a decision as to what is best for me and my loved ones.

Your entire comment is, "Give me free shit... and bill someone else for my life". This is a new phenomenon since FDR and makes people subservient to mommy. Which is and was the goal... as the more people on the 'payroll' the more people will vote to keep that check and benefits coming.... Until the people footing the bill stop paying and leave.

When I was making $7000 a year out of highschool I did not vote Democrat and when I made my first million I was not voting Democrat. Still not voting Democrat... I knew the principles of each of party and I am one who is about self-empowerment not of victim politics. The best thing you can do for a person is have jobs available and opportunity to succeed. Handouts and class warfare will never accomplish this.

Socks

Reeeetaarrrrrded. Let me walk you through this.

The title is taken directly from the Youtube video:

John McCain Trashes American Workers

I didn't use any english in my post. I simply posted a link. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperlink). TO BE CLEAR BADDOG: I added [VIDEO] ... Now you can't nitpick that.

So you're on my ass for 2 copy/pastes.. Nice. Whose the fucking retard now? Which part of my english in that post would you change, hotdog?

And you don't even know who he's talking to, he could be talking to anyone.. But you KNOW for sure that those people wouldn't work in a field for $50 an hour? How? That's a pretty high paying job. You're being pretty general, don't you think? Or is that how you feel about all americans who aren't rich?

And you seriously think you should give the most powerful job in the world to THAT GUY? When you see him speak, you really think... Wow, that's the man who could really turn my country around?

davidd

They are paid on performance... quick and efficient field workers (in Florida at least) make good money. Slow and lazy live below the poverty line. They are paid by the bushel, bag, or whatever they are picking.

Sod laying is also big here. Where I live we pay by the pallet (450 sq ft per pallet) = $10. I just had a team of 4 guys lay 10 pallets. $100 total / 4 guys / 1 hour = $25 an hour. Two of them were really fast and the other two were slow. I am sure the money is broken up accordingly. I spoke to them and most of them make 150 to 200 a day -> Cash. Things have been slower because of the housing market but at the peak most where laying 30 pallets a day - each.

pocketkangaroo

When were the Republicans about self empowerment and no government handouts? How many years back are you going? Both parties hand out money and programs like candy. In fact, Republicans have spent more than Democrats ever did. This notion that Republicans are for limited government has been dead for a long time now.

And my argument isn't about what is right or wrong, it's about voting for your self interest. If people are going to be giving you free stuff and you vote against it, you are voting against your self interest. While I applaud your values, it's not always the best option for a majority of Americans.

kane

You have to go back a long LONG ways to find Republicans that are actually for less government and responsible spending. You are right when you say both parties hand out money as fast as they can, the main difference these days is who they hand it to.

I am for less government, but like most things I can't see that ever happening again. I think it was Marx that said you can't have pure communism and you can't have pure capitalism and survive so eventually you end up somewhere in the middle with some form of socialism. We have been headed down that road for a while and there is no sign of turning back.

I now have the attitude that if the government is going to take 40% or more of my income not to count property tax, sales tax and all kinds of other taxes, I should get something in return for it.

baddog

Sounds like you have taken the campaign rhetoric hook, line and sinker. I highly doubt free health care is on our immediate horizon, no matter who is elected.


And because, in your infinite wisdom, McCain is the root of all evil you accepted it as true without even listening or paying attention?

Again, your bias against McCain makes it impossible for you to see the truth. Talk about retarded.

Andy CHOOPA

haha I know lots of people who would do it for $50/hr. Fuck up on Mccain's part...

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baddog

Yeah, I bet you do. How long do you think they would last? How much experience at real labor do they have? How many people do you know that could afford to purchase produce that cost $50/hour per employee to harvest?

dav3

FACT: Neither McCain nor Obama give a fuck about any of you.

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sortie

I'm not for McCain but you are right that he is right.

$50 an hour and not a single MoFo actually signed up. Damn!!!!

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sortie

Damn! I try so hard not to agree with you and then you do this.

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bbm

He trashes himself!

The Duck

Thanks for explaining, I did not quite get it at first.

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Jman

So are you saying that if YOU are better off today then 8 years ago you should vote McCain... Are you THAT selfish that you don't give a flying fuck about ALL your fellow americans???

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Socks

But Jean Francois, you are French Canadian my friend! Your words could not matter to the Bad Dog. He rides a loud motorcycle and knows just about everything I'm afraid. You would need to have fought in a war, been shot, and dug out the bullet with your fingers to even speak in the same room as him. And even then, you would only be allowed to agree with him. If you made a point first, he would tell you how insignificant you are, or tell you that you aren't where he's from, or correct your punctuation if there's nothing else to poke at.

It's how he spends his days I'm afraid, lonely.

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pornguy

I think the only mistake he made when he said that is that they " Could NOT do it. " It should have been "-WOULD NOT" American Labor laws are the way they are because Americans DONT work. Go to a regular 9-5 place and watch them.

they arrive at the office at about 8:50am, Go in, take off the jacket turn on the puter, get some water greet the boss or co worker in the hall, Grab some coffee, greet another co worker and then finally start to gather the things for the day ahead.

By the time they firmly have thier ass in thier chair, it is at least 9:15 to 9:25 And NOW COMES THE E-MAIL and or Memos that have to be read. That done, time for a cigarette break. Back at the desk promptly at 9:40 to 9:50.

we now begin working. Wow 10:30 to 10:45 break time hits fast. 15 min. Back to work and then 15 to 30 min later another smoke break.


You should get the idea,

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Socks

Did ANYONE here picture a man while they read this?

Just sayin...

GregE

It's not about being selfish, it's about being realistic. Those who feel that they and their families are better off today than they were eight years ago should vote for more of the same. Hell, they'd be fools not to.

Of course, the inverse of that principle applies as well....and that's why McCain will lose.

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tony286

My guess you havent worked in corporate america in a long time.9 to 5 doesnt exist anymore, more hours and no overtime you get comp time that if you ever take it its goes against you. People get laid off their job is just added to yours.My brother works on avg 90 to 100 hrs a week, he is a middle manager for a pharma company and its never enough. Lots of americans work very hard, the companies want the illegals because it gives them greater profits.If they really want to stop illegals take the chairman of tyson foods out in shackles and say this is what we do to anyone who hires illegals.It would end about a week after that.

TampaToker

I can not stand this guy makes me wanna puke

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yeah but its a dry heat bahahahaw

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baddog

Well, if more people are worse off than they were 8 years ago, and people vote accordingly, then McCain could lose, if you want to believe the propaganda that McCain is the same as Bush.

Fact of the matter is that I don't personally know anyone that isn't doing better than they were 8 years ago.

pocketkangaroo

I'm not taking a side here. It's hard to deny that Democrats like to give a lot of shit to poor people. Raising minimum wages, pushing health care, longer terms for unemployment, more tax breaks for poor, welfare, and so on.

I'm just saying that if I was making $35,000 a year and had two kids, I would get more from the policies of Democrats than Republicans. That doesn't make that policy right for this country as a whole or fair, just means that the poorer people will benefit more.

baddog

Agreed .

GregE

Unemployment is up, foreclosures are up, inflation is up, the deficit has gone through the fucking roof and energy prices are out of control. I think it's a pretty safe bet that a lot of people are worse off now than they were 8 years ago.

Is McCain exactly the same as Bush? No, he's not. The fundamentalists don't trust him for one (and that's a good sign), but he's still too close for comfort. Way, way, waaaay too close.

Hell, McCain's opposition to net neutrality alone should be enough reason for anyone involved in e-commerce to oppose him.

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baddog

Are you better off than you were 8 years ago?

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EmpireAutopilot

I hope you aren't suggesting that raising the minimum wage is a good thing. A minimum wage is one of the most retarded laws on the books.

Signed,

Proud Democrat.

EmpireAutopilot

Yes and baddog agrees, no whitey would do this shit for $50 an hour. You must be as big of an idiot as McCain.

split_joel

I believe you also have a problem with English comprehension. I may not care much for how I spell or represent myself on GFY, however I do know not to start sentences with "Because or And".

I do not really have a problem with you baddog but if your going to use something to attack someone, you should know how to do it right yourself.

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EmpireAutopilot

It's a winning ticket now. If you're so confident you can go to www.intrade.com and bet on your boy to win, his stock is dirt cheap because he has no chance.

The only reason anyone thinks this is a close race is because the media wants it to be a close race. The polls are manipulated, the coverage is biased and they do all that they can to keep things as close as possible so their ad revenue comes in.

This is the offline version of link baiting and you are falling for it 100%.