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![]() Serious question. I always hear the news of cops beating people, threatening people, and doing all sorts of misconduct. Many of these are on fucking video or audio. There is little to no argument that can be made that the cop acted inappropriately.
So my question is why do cops NEVER get fired? I always see suspended, usually with pay. This goes on for months, even if there is a video tape of the cop beating the living shit out of an innocent person. Now if anyone of us did this at a regular job, we'd be fired in an instant and rightfully so. Why do cops not go by the same standards? |
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Because often what is caught on tape is ONLY what will get someone paid.
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If cops are convicted of crimes, they get fired. If a cop is accused of committing a crime, they get suspended. |
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http://cbs2chicago.com/local/local_story_080060454.html Drunk cop beats the shit out of a tiny woman bartender. She reports it, they don't do much. They try to bribe her and even threaten her. The video gets out to the public and this guy finally gets suspended. |
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Well the sad fact of the matter is we are never shown enough of the good things that cops do, it is much more exciting news to see them at their worst. If you were to add up all the cops you have ever seen doing something fucked up versus the number of cops employed in the U.S. the seemingly corrupt cops are barely a drop in the bucket. I get so sick and tired of anti cop attitudes because of a few assholes abusing their job or people complaning about getting a ticket from a dickhead cop when 90% of the time they actually DID what they were getting ticketed for.
As far as what happens when a cop gets put on leave during an investigation, it is standard procedure to place that officer on administrative leave with pay till the conclusion of the investigation. Why? Because all investigations, most investigations turn out to find that the Officer was properly performing his duties during the said event. Does that mean all officers do it right? Of course not, they like anyone else are human and prone to mistakes, bad character, etc. Those are sent packing in most cases or jailed and their punishment is hardly reported. Like I said the media likes to air the deed rather than the outcome. But they are most certainly NOT in the majority but a very very small fraction. In all my years I have yet to run up against a cop abusing his powers... They do a job most people wouldnt want to do and they never get the benefit of the doubt or enough appreciation. Answer me this, in this current time when most people have a bad opinion of the porn industry being full of morally bankrupt, bottom feeding monsters, do you think THIS is a fair assessment? Are we? Certainly not all of us but the media believes thats more interesting than your average law abiding citizen making a living supplying the oldest known forms of entertainment... ![]()
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Toronto police officer charged
Broadcast time: 16:00 Thursday, July 5, 2007 Professional Standards 416−808−2800 A Toronto police officer has been arrested and charged. Constable Ioan−Florin Floria, 34, with eight years' service, is a member of Traffic Services. He is currently suspended. He has been charged with: 1) two counts of Breach of Trust, 2) two counts of Attempt Obstruct Justice, 3) Accessory After the Fact of Kidnapping, 4) Launder Proceeds of Crime. It is alleged that: − the officer was closely associated with an Eastern European criminal organization, − the officer conducted CPIC queries using other police officers' badge numbers to avoid detection, − the officer outlined methods of avoiding police detection when involved in drug trafficking, − the officer withheld information and obstructed an investigation into a kidnapping. Constable Ioan−Florin Floria appeared in court at 1911 Eglinton Avenue East this morning. Constable Wendy Drummond, Public Information, for Inspector John Tanouye, Professional Standards ID: 12169 1 / 1
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As for appreciation, it's their job. It's nothing negative toward them, but I have the same appreciation for them as I do for anyone who works hard. Sure there job is dangerous, but so is being a miner or even construction worker. They chose that profession and balanced the risk/reward. |
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Yes but not often. There is little oversight when it comes to the police force. So when a cop beats you and you go to the cop shop to report it, you just might find yourself in a bigger world of hurt - threats, stonewalled, bs.
The evidence has to be obvious and overwhelming, but we're beginning to see that even when there is video, it is no gaurantee of accountability. |
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People wonder why riots take place when stuff like this happens in front of a nation and the cops get a slap on the wrist. If you saw what went on in the video you posted enough times in your neighborhood without anything being done about it, you might become slightly frustrated.
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Well, using the video example, when was the last time you saw a video of a cop beating a suspect where the video starts from the beginning? I know every video I've ever seen starts with the cop throwing blows. What happened before that, who knows? It's up to some scumbag to say that he was minding his own business when a cop came up out of nowhere and just started beating him.
I call bullshit on most every video of cop beatdowns I see. Cops are like most everybody else, they don't just walk around looking for people to beat up, but believe if they feel their life is in danger they'll take it to you.
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Police departments do not fire as quick as other types of employers may because once a cop gets fired, he will never work in law enforcement ever again.
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Does a bear ever shit in the woods?
Chicago's finest under fire for brutality http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/09/27...nts/index.html Six off-duty Chicago cops accused in bar attack http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/25/bar....ap/index.html Irvine cop ejaculates on a motorist but escapes criminal liability http://www.ocweekly.com/news/news/il...park-ed/26661/ Former cop faces charges in 1964 racial slayings http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/01/25/mi....ap/index.html Former lawyer, cop guilty of 24 bank robberies http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2...ews/116581.txt Officer charged in sex assault http://www.projo.com/news/content/pr...8.18f60b7.html Indictment tells tale of prison sex, favors and power http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/06/21/pr...ent/index.html Cops moonlighted as hitmen for the mob http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/06/06/mafia.cops.ap/ Feds: Five cops were robbers http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/03/co....ap/index.html Three Baltimore police officers charged in rape case http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/01/07/ba....ap/index.html Officer charged with killing two Baltimore cops http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/12/22/ba....ap/index.html Cop Gets death for ordering hit on woman who complained http://www.turnto10.com/news/5187111/detail.html Shooting Leaves Estranged Couple Dead, Lawyer Wounded http://www.nbc30.com/news/4611343/detail.html FBI drug sting nabs soldiers, law enforcement http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/05/12/fb....ap/index.html Officer accused of murder, molestation http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/07/off...ion/index.html Code of Silence http://www.projo.com/news/content/pr...5.237d8fc.html Providence Police Officer Charged With Assault http://www.turnto10.com/news/3819545/detail.html Off duty police officer charged with assaulting 2 women --December 1, 2004. http://www.projo.com/metro/content/p...op1.982c9.html Police Supervisor charged in assault --September 14, 2004. http://www.projo.com/metro/content/p...14.19bcd8.html Jury: Authorities withheld Columbine papers -September 17, 2004. http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/09/17/co....ap/index.html CNN: Police officer confesses to robbing 3 banks -September 2, 2004. http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/09/....ap/index.html
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The unions may be a factor too.
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I wonder if the investigation into this woman's death will find anything:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071001/...rport_death_12 Of course she may just be a middle-aged crybaby that wound up giving herself a heart attack or something. Old man beat down: http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewr...es/015471.html |
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The unions are a huge factor. A friend of mine is a cop and one of the guys he works with got caught falsifying a report. I don't know all the details, but basically the guy screwed up and tried to cover his ass by lying on the report. He got caught and got fired. The union sued and after almost a year and a half an arbitrator forced the department to take him back and pay him his back pay. The arbitrator said he was guilty, but that firing him was too harsh of a punishment. The DA has said they will not accept any case of his so now he can't do anything but answer the phones. If he sees something happening he has to call for other people to deal with it. He can't even give tickets because if they are challenged the court will toss them out immediately because of who he is.
It has taken the city more than a year now to figure out how to fire this guy without having to pay out a huge settlement when he sues and they still don't know if they are going to be able to. Ultimately the city is now in a situation where they have to choose their poison. Do they want to fire him and face a big lawsuit, or do they want to wait until something happens that he is involved in and end up facing a big lawsuit. |
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![]() Not to say that all cops are good, but I've got at least a dozen cop buddies who'd give you the shirt off their back without a second thought. Yet all anyone ever hears about is the small percentage of officer misconduct. People love to bash cops - they work a high-profile job in the community and walk around with targets on their back. They're not Robocop - they're human beings just like the rest of us. Yet people never seem to hesitate and shine the spotlight of attention on ANY mistake they make and wrongly hold that up as an example of all cops. Its biased-based ignorance. |
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yep the public loses no matter what. Right now they are losing because they are paying the salary of a guy who can't even do the job they are paying him for. If and when is fired if he wins his lawsuit the city will have to pay up and it will cost the public. No matter what becomes of it, the public loses.
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On a personal note, I've never had a problem with a cop in my life. Even when I got a speeding ticket, the officer was cordial. I believe that most cops, at least in my community, are good.
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fuckin idiots fight with cops, sometimes they get fucked up... good
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I got a cop in trouble once. thats all i'll say
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I have had no problems personally with cops either. Although I did see a few of them beating the shit out of some black guy last weekend.
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been a cop is problem itself,lol
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![]() Sure they do. Like at the Beverly Hills, Will Rogers Park bathrooms.
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this is kinda odd but not too long ago in milwaukee they discovered that one of their officer was actually an illegal mexican. he used his cousin's id to get the job and was a LEGIT officer. sad thing is, after seeing the good he's done as a cop and then letting him go for being illegal. why not keep the guy? milwaukee needs good cops so shit doesnt go down frank jude style again.
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Some do, but it's probably rare...
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Not crying about it and yes, I used to be an Officer of the Law. You got a problem with that?
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But either way, it's Chicago, not a surprise. Cops beat the shit out of people here all the time, even 100 pound women. http://cbs2chicago.com/local/local_story_080060454.html |
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