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MJ_AVN · 07-28-2006, 09:47 AM

Sebastian Sloane Productions Target of Second Reported 2257 Investigation

ETHLEHEM, Penn. - Amateur gay content producer Sebastian Sloane Productions was the target of the second reported 18 U.S.C. §2257 investigation this morning, according to owner JJ Ruch.

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JD · 07-28-2006, 09:51 AM

the last part about Top Bucks interests me....do affs need 2257 or just producer content releases

tony286 · 07-28-2006, 09:51 AM

They plan to hit every porn producer by december

MJ_AVN · 07-28-2006, 09:52 AM

He said producer content releases was all they asked for.

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Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

the last part about Top Bucks interests me....do affs need 2257 or just producer content releases

directfiesta · 07-28-2006, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

They plan to hit every porn producer by december

That's not what Sticky told me .....

C H R I S · 07-28-2006, 09:57 AM

Sounds like there will be more to come..... glad the first two passed with flying colors....

stickyfingerz · 07-28-2006, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

That's not what Sticky told me .....

What? The main producer of course is libel to get "audited" to ensure their record keeping is intact. Pierre you are pretty pathetic. If you wanna suck my cock just let me know, cause you continue to slurp my name all over the board. I dont bring you up, I only respond to your drivel.

2HousePlague · 07-28-2006, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by AVNChris

...glad the first two passed with flying colors....

2hp

tony286 · 07-28-2006, 10:05 AM

I think most will pass, these guys got to do all these inspections.I think they are looking for everyone being of age as the main thing.

pornguy · 07-28-2006, 10:06 AM

These government type pukes are getting out of control.

czarina · 07-28-2006, 10:08 AM

I'm glad that nobody got in trouble. It's a tough thing to have the FBI show up at your door, even if you have all your paperwork in order.

Mutt · 07-28-2006, 10:10 AM

they found TopBucks content on his website with no documentation - 'producer content release' - isn't even defined in 2257 - so who knows what it is. doesn't sound to me like he passed the inspection - not unless he's a member of the FSC and for now is exempt.

NoCarrier · 07-28-2006, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

2hp

Fresh · 07-28-2006, 10:11 AM

after all the raiding is done, i hope they realize most people are legit in the biz and back the fuck off. i hope

tony286 · 07-28-2006, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

they found TopBucks content on his website with no documentation - 'producer content release' - isn't even defined in 2257 - so who knows what it is. doesn't sound to me like he passed the inspection - not unless he's a member of the FSC and for now is exempt.

in the article the FBI told him he passed

LadyMischief · 07-28-2006, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

they found TopBucks content on his website with no documentation - 'producer content release' - isn't even defined in 2257 - so who knows what it is. doesn't sound to me like he passed the inspection - not unless he's a member of the FSC and for now is exempt.

It says in the article they are not members of the FSC.

ElvisManson · 07-28-2006, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

they found TopBucks content on his website with no documentation - 'producer content release' - isn't even defined in 2257 - so who knows what it is. doesn't sound to me like he passed the inspection - not unless he's a member of the FSC and for now is exempt.

It says in the article he is not a member of the FSC.

ronaldo · 07-28-2006, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Guru

after all the raiding is done, i hope they realize most people are legit in the biz and back the fuck off. i hope

That would be ideal.

Unfortunately, if EVERYONE passes, they'll probably try to find a way to make the record keeping even more stringent.

Remember that this isn't about protecting our children, it's about ridding society of pornography. If this fails to bring some people down, they'll just try to find another way.

Manowar · 07-28-2006, 10:21 AM

uh ohhhhhh.

Mutt · 07-28-2006, 10:22 AM

if it's the letter of the law, he failed, he had no documentation for TopBucks content on his website. but if nothing comes of that - it's a good sign - means they aren't going to be hardasses yet on the secondary producer stuff. with the passing of 4472 that could change midstream.

Big Red Machine · 07-28-2006, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ronaldo

That would be ideal.

Unfortunately, if EVERYONE passes, they'll probably try to find a way to make the record keeping even more stringent.

Remember that this isn't about protecting our children, it's about ridding society of pornography. If this fails to bring some people down, they'll just try to find another way.

I would say control it ,not rid it.

Dirty Dane · 07-28-2006, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ronaldo

That would be ideal.

Unfortunately, if EVERYONE passes, they'll probably try to find a way to make the record keeping even more stringent.

Remember that this isn't about protecting our children, it's about ridding society of pornography. If this fails to bring some people down, they'll just try to find another way.

Yes, the ironic part is that if no minors were used and documents are ok, which SHOULD be good news.... are not

Its all politics. We know it, they know it, but the general public read only headlines.

spider_x · 07-28-2006, 11:17 AM

Ok get this, does anyone remember a coupole years back the big campaign against uhhhh file sharers? How is this any different? We are seeing the exact same tactics and fear mongering. Don't let fear or paranoia interrupt you from running a bizneth.

D · 07-28-2006, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

These government type pukes are getting out of control.

Meh... I kinda see it as the Health Department checking out your restuarant to make sure it's up to par.

Just part of doing business.

Let them come - I say... this is why we pay so much attention to this shit in the first place.

Spudstr · 07-28-2006, 11:54 AM

funny thing is, if they catch someone thats in violation you bet its going to be all over the news, not the ones that pass. America loves drama.

pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-28-2006, 11:56 AM

make love not war

sherie · 07-28-2006, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

they found TopBucks content on his website with no documentation - 'producer content release' - isn't even defined in 2257 - so who knows what it is. doesn't sound to me like he passed the inspection - not unless he's a member of the FSC and for now is exempt.

Did you even read the article? A) He passed and B) He is NOT apart of the FSC.

ProjectNaked · 07-28-2006, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by D_hodough

Meh... I kinda see it as the Health Department checking out your restuarant to make sure it's up to par.

Just part of doing business...

DatingGold · 07-28-2006, 12:49 PM

Can they please inspect Ibill or Etelegate since they are illegally billing our customers credit cards?

wheat · 07-28-2006, 12:52 PM

You know what's best about all this? No amount of checking records from adult content producers is going to stop big_leroy_1955 from hopping on Yahoo chat and talking some middle school girls into a trip to the mall, and isn't stopping shit like that the main reason they're pushing these bills through?

Brujah · 07-28-2006, 01:06 PM

So are they on their way to TopBucks now?

tony286 · 07-28-2006, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Spudstr

funny thing is, if they catch someone thats in violation you bet its going to be all over the news, not the ones that pass. America loves drama.

that should the FSC's job to get that out there

ColourMeHuman · 07-28-2006, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ronaldo

That would be ideal.

Unfortunately, if EVERYONE passes, they'll probably try to find a way to make the record keeping even more stringent.

Remember that this isn't about protecting our children, it's about ridding society of pornography. If this fails to bring some people down, they'll just try to find another way.

No, it's about finding an excuse to start taking over the internet...It's about control.

ronaldo · 07-28-2006, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by wheat

isn't stopping shit like that the main reason they're pushing these bills through?

No. That's how they SOLD them.

Ironically if the government would actually work WITH our industry, they'd probably catch more of these guys than they could find room for in the prison system. Unfortunately for them, they'd have to acknowledge that we, as an industry, are not only law abiding, but also want to eliminate child porn from the internet. That doesn't work real well with their agenda.

directfiesta · 07-28-2006, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ronaldo

Ironically if the government would actually work WITH our industry,

Dream on ...

In no way, this administration wants to be associated with scumbags pornpusher ....

ronaldo · 07-28-2006, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

Dream on ...

In no way, this administration wants to be associated with scumbags pornpusher ....

Who's dreaming? Quote the entire paragraph and that's pretty much what I said.

crockett · 07-28-2006, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by D_hodough

Meh... I kinda see it as the Health Department checking out your restaurant to make sure it's up to par.

Just part of doing business.

Let them come - I say... this is why we pay so much attention to this shit in the first place.

The difference is the health dept won't cart you off to jail with a possible 10 year sentence if you fail. It's also not the FBI doing the checking at a restaurant.

directfiesta · 07-28-2006, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ronaldo

Who's dreaming? Quote the entire paragraph and that's pretty much what I said.

oups, read it pretty fast .... so we are ok.

DaddyHalbucks · 07-28-2006, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ronaldo

No. That's how they SOLD them.

Ironically if the government would actually work WITH our industry, they'd probably catch more of these guys than they could find room for in the prison system. Unfortunately for them, they'd have to acknowledge that we, as an industry, are not only law abiding, but also want to eliminate child porn from the internet. That doesn't work real well with their agenda.

Good observations.

Yup, the problem is called politics. Ugh.

BVF · 07-28-2006, 02:21 PM

Has anybody actually checked the tour of that man's site? I just now looked at it and even though I know it's legal and his shit is straight, they still look VERY young...like some young boy shit...

http://sebastiansloaneproductions.co.../ourmodels.htm

Rochard · 07-28-2006, 02:37 PM

Clearly they are looking for information. And they'll continue to keep looking until they find someone who screwed up and they'll get charged with some paperwork law that no one can understand - and then it will be front page news.

WiredGuy · 07-28-2006, 02:52 PM

I'm rather curious by this reaction:

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hahaha8220;Not all of the [content] is mine. Some of it is affiliated content from programs like TopBucks that I use to promote them,hahaha8221; Ruch said.

hahaha8220;They saw content that didnhahaha8217;t match the photo IDs and they wanted to know what that was, so I explained to them that other companies have released content to me to promote them, so they wanted to see the producer content releases.hahaha8221;

So what did they do when they asked for secondary producer releases that TopBucks has?

WG

crockett · 07-28-2006, 03:01 PM

Something that gets me with this whole deal..

"Reportedly one of 16 regional federal units saddled with investigating adult content producers, the agents showed up on Ruchhahaha8217;s doorstep at approximately 8 a.m. EST, went through his model release documents, his computers, video cameras, masters and even searched his kitchen and living room."

Did he give them permission to search his house? They don't have the right to search through your house even if it is your place of business. Just because they want to check 2257 records.

JD · 07-28-2006, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Something that gets me with this whole deal..

"Reportedly one of 16 regional federal units saddled with investigating adult content producers, the agents showed up on Ruchhahaha8217;s doorstep at approximately 8 a.m. EST, went through his model release documents, his computers, video cameras, masters and even searched his kitchen and living room."

Did he give them permission to search his house? They don't have the right to search through your house even if it is your place of business. Just because they want to check 2257 records.

probably looking for ANYTHING to nail him on

BoyAlley · 07-28-2006, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

his computers, video cameras, masters and even searched his kitchen and living room."

Did he give them permission to search his house? They don't have the right to search through your house even if it is your place of business. Just because they want to check 2257 records.

This puzzled me as well. Did they go in there with a search warrant on top of doing the 2257 records inspection?

Thee Johnclave · 07-28-2006, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I'm rather curious by this reaction:

So what did they do when they asked for secondary producer releases that TopBucks has?

WG

I read that to mean they were really only there verifying primary producer records as if they were interested in secondary he wouldn't have (allegedly) passed.

Compdoctor · 07-28-2006, 04:46 PM

Sad thing is, that all this will do nothing to help keep the kids safe

nikki99 · 07-28-2006, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

2hp

WiredGuy · 07-28-2006, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy The Squid

I read that to mean they were really only there verifying primary producer records as if they were interested in secondary he wouldn't have (allegedly) passed.

Thats the impression I got too, just wasn't sure.
WG

pocketkangaroo · 07-28-2006, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

This puzzled me as well. Did they go in there with a search warrant on top of doing the 2257 records inspection?

Well you don't exactly need warrants anymore in the US. Bush and company just need to say it was an effort to fight terrorism.

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