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Porn Mongrel · 02-18-2006, 03:00 PM

I have been building my site for about 3 months now. I get a few signups a month for my listed sites. I am not a TGP submitter. I just have my own front page with pics but mostly I add pics to my forum. I also allow others to post thier content.

How much money can be made this way instead on a full TGP?

I work on my site at nights and weekends as much as I can. Am I going about this the right way? Your opinions please.

Do not hold back!

After Shock Media · 02-18-2006, 03:02 PM

I think your sig breaks the rules so you may wish to reconsider it.

Porn Mongrel · 02-18-2006, 04:31 PM

Ok I fixed it!

EdgeXXX · 02-18-2006, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porn Mongrel

I have been building my site for about 3 months now. I get a few signups a month for my listed sites. I am not a TGP submitter. I just have my own front page with pics but mostly I add pics to my forum. I also allow others to post thier content.

How much money can be made this way instead on a full TGP?

I work on my site at nights and weekends as much as I can. Am I going about this the right way? Your opinions please.

Do not hold back!

Bottom line... you won't even make enough to live off of. You need to be thnking about a different way to go about this if you want to start making money.

Porn Mongrel · 02-18-2006, 04:39 PM

So in your opinion is being a TGP submiter the only way to go?

Deputy Chief Command · 02-18-2006, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porn Mongrel

So in your opinion is being a TGP submiter the only way to go?

ask Franck aka Battuss aka Whiny Lil Bitch

EdgeXXX · 02-18-2006, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porn Mongrel

So is being a TGP submiter the only way to go?

No, not at all. If you want to be successful with this, you have to approach this just as you would any business. First, you have to know what your target figures are (goals). Ok, tell ya what, I'm not really doing anything tonight so I will help you out for a little while.

First, how much money do you want the site to be making you? (be realistic, but honest)

$5 submissions · 02-18-2006, 04:44 PM

It all depends on YOU. How much time you have to 1) manually do the work and (MORE IMPORTANTLY) 2) research alternative traffic sources. Since people vary, the results will also vary.

However, your income will be enhanced if you:
1) Reinvest your earnings into your business
2) Take advantage of free tools sponsors give you as well as those found on the Net
3) Establish a mentality of LEARNING

Verbal · 02-18-2006, 04:52 PM

I'm by no means an expert, but I HAVE learned not to put all my eggs in one basket. You want to diversify ... there are a ton of different ways of getting traffic. Try them all, see what works for you, then do more of it, but never close the doors on new ideas and new sources.

Porn Mongrel · 02-18-2006, 04:54 PM

Ok here is the breakdown.

I make about $106,000 a year as a piping designer. I design offshore oil and gas production facilities here in Houston Texas. My goal is to create a good source of income building a good site with great content and members.

I am not looking for a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. I am very willing to work at it. I am just starting to get a little frustrated with it. I spend all of my extra time learning this trade. My wife is actually cool with this idea because I have shown her what you all can produce as far as really great sites.

I am not against spending good money into it because I realize it is a business. I have bought traffic but it seems to do me no good.

I guess I am just looking for direction.

My time is worth money so I do not want to waste it.

Total I have spent around $2500 in the past 3-4 months on hosting and mainly ads on retnuh and thumbzilla.

I stop advertising last month and this month has been really slow.

Verbal · 02-18-2006, 05:01 PM

I also think you need to find a more specific niche ... sending traffic to a 'general' porn page isnt going to do you much good. Gotta filter it somehow

EdgeXXX · 02-18-2006, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porn Mongrel

Ok here is the breakdown.

I make about $106,000 a year as a piping designer. I design offshore oil and gas production facilities here in Houston Texas. My goal is to create a good source of income building a good site with great content and members.

I am not looking for a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. I am very willing to work at it. I am just starting to get a little frustrated with it. I spend all of my extra time learning this trade. My wife is actually cool with this idea because I have shown her what you all can produce as far as really great sites.

I am not against spending good money into it because I realize it is a business. I have bought traffic but it seems to do me no good.

I guess I am just looking for direction.

My time is worth money so I do not want to waste it.

Total I have spent around $2500 in the past 3-4 months on hosting and mainly ads on retnuh and thumbzilla.

I stop advertising last month and this month has been really slow.

You shouldn't have to put any more money into it right now. You just need to be creative. The reason I am asking you about your monetary goals and expectations from the site is to gauge how far you want to take this (just how successful you want this site to be). In other words, are your goals to eventually start your own program or do you just want to run this one site only?

Porn Mongrel · 02-18-2006, 05:06 PM

Yea I can see that you are right. It seemed liked they just bounced in and out. This is the expenses so far.

$120 for front page design.
$100 for vbulletin
$800 for 4 months on Dedicated server
$500 Thumbzilla adds
$600 for Retnuh ads - great - traffic
$340 in traffic buying

$2460 total so far!

Porn Mongrel · 02-18-2006, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EdgeXXX

You shouldn't have to put any more money into it right now. You just need to be creative. The reason I am asking you about your monetary goals and expectations from the site is to gauge how far you want to take this (just how successful you want this site to be). In other words, are your goals to eventually start your own program or do you just want to run this one site only?

Ok I am starting to see what you are saying. Yes I wanted to make this site great and just deal with it but now I have all these affiliates and uploaded this teaser content is very time intensive with little return.

So I guess what I need to do is look into spreading myself out into other areas? TGP right?

polish_aristocrat · 02-18-2006, 05:10 PM

the site in your sig doesnt load for me...

Porn Mongrel · 02-18-2006, 05:13 PM

Really? Are you using Explorer?

EdgeXXX · 02-18-2006, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porn Mongrel

Yea I can see that you are right. It seemed liked they just bounced in and out. This is the expenses so far.

$120 for front page design.
$100 for vbulletin
$800 for 4 months on Dedicated server
$500 Thumbzilla adds
$600 for Retnuh ads - great - traffic
$340 in traffic buying

$2460 total so far!

Tell ya what, I am going to go through your site for you and do a design analysis and marketing strategy for you. One of the most overlooked problems on the internet is not being able to "close the sale" with your current layout and marketing. So give me about 20-30 mins and I'll let you know. Also, if you ever need help or have any question, you can email me - EdgeFX (at) gmail.com

EdgeXXX · 02-18-2006, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

the site in your sig doesnt load for me...

Loads fine for me in FireFox 1.5

HEAT · 02-18-2006, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porn Mongrel

Really? Are you using Explorer?

loads nothing for me in IE6.0
you loosing traffic...

Young · 02-18-2006, 05:30 PM

Porn forums don't usually work unless you're giving them something that they can't already get for free (passwords, zips, full videos, members area shit ) which is a big no no. I mean there are forums like that out there making money but it's not the way you want to go about it if you wanna last long.

Find yourself a specific niche and target audience and get cracking. A general place to get porn no longer works...only the established places get that kind of traffic. Easier money in mainstream IMO...but why not do a little of both? The adult industry is highly competitive and people pull shit that you never see done in the mainstream world.

You'll get alot better advice from the more seasoned vets but basically to sum it up....find a niche, an audience for that niche...and feed it to them on a daily basis.

Porn Mongrel · 02-18-2006, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HEAT

loads nothing for me in IE6.0
you loosing traffic...

Weird! I wonder why?

czarina · 02-18-2006, 05:40 PM

Start yourself a blog, and a tgp, and a link list. Combine them all, and you will start to earn.

Porn Mongrel · 02-18-2006, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Young

Porn forums don't usually work unless you're giving them something that they can't already get for free (passwords, zips, full videos, members area shit ) which is a big no no. I mean there are forums like that out there making money but it's not the way you want to go about it if you wanna last long.

Find yourself a specific niche and target audience and get cracking. A general place to get porn no longer works...only the established places get that kind of traffic. Easier money in mainstream IMO...but why not do a little of both? The adult industry is highly competitive and people pull shit that you never see done in the mainstream world.

You'll get alot better advice from the more seasoned vets but basically to sum it up....find a niche, an audience for that niche...and feed it to them on a daily basis.

5559 post? I think you are a senior member! Yea I a have seen some forums giving away free content. I think that is crap.

Maybe I should do a little of both TGP etc and the Forum. I always though of my gallery as a front page for the forum but maybe it should not be.

andrej_NDC · 02-18-2006, 05:57 PM

see 4.)
http://www.nextdoorcash.com/faq.htm

Porn Mongrel · 02-18-2006, 05:59 PM

That would be hard for me to believe!

ajrocks · 02-18-2006, 06:26 PM

I bet you 100 bucks you fail! If you want to make money in this business you need to be in content. Star in your very own gay beastie porn! That will make you money.

Porn Mongrel · 02-19-2006, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by czarina

Start yourself a blog, and a tgp, and a link list. Combine them all, and you will start to earn.

Took your advice. I just bought TGP Rotator so I will build a big TGP.

jjjay · 02-19-2006, 11:19 AM

to be perfectly objective - as it sounds you've got some money to spend on this, i would suggest the best way to spend it to start off with is with coaching off someone experienced and credible. whether someone who works in mainstream or in adult i would say you would find that very helpful, and a much better use of your $. i can offer suggestions if this is something you feel would work for you.

Porn Mongrel · 02-19-2006, 11:41 AM

Yes! Shoot!

jjjay · 02-19-2006, 12:17 PM

I can point you towards a few resources.

For example - for learning ppc:

perrymarshall.com
page-zero.com
adwordsmentor.com

for learning seo:

seobook.com
seoresearchlabs.com

i can't think of one resource right now that tells you how to convert traffic. you'll need copywriting skills, usability and design skills ... and find what works first hand. learn from your competition too.

this probably hasn't answered your question, but internet marketing is a huge subject, so rather than spending money on trial and error i would suggest learning from those more experienced than you and who are willing to share their knowledge. those resources I've mentioned are a good start.

and be careful about much informaiton offered, especially on free sites - much is out of date and also a lot of it is just plain incorrect.

and btw - i don't think you need a dedicated server, especially at the level you're currently playing at. a basic shared hosting package will be fine.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-19-2006, 12:37 PM

I went to your site.

What are you doing offering things unrelated to adult? Subscribe to the New York Times? Get an Education Links?

You have a webmaster banner for pimproll on a gallery page.
Get a passport advertisement?

Seriously if you wanna make money, develop a business plan, a comprehensive one and make sure it has focus.

What I mean is your model supposed to generate traffic? Readership?
Whats the end game to closing a nickle? Those things you goto consider and the less reliant you are on buying things the more reliant you can become in generating a dime.

Honestly I do not think you thought it through and ya oughtah go back review your whole method and divise a goal oriented plan.

You establish traffic then you can sell it, you make the site sticky in reader ship sell ad space, I dunno but those are basic examples.

Porn Mongrel · 02-19-2006, 12:42 PM

My site is http://pornmongrel.com

I do not offer New York Times Stuff. You must have been looking at another site.

Pryda · 02-19-2006, 12:43 PM

Your site is not working for me

Using Firefox.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-19-2006, 12:44 PM

My best advice to you is to just stop what you are doing and find another hobby.
Its not that you suck, but porn is saturated there is no fast money. Each penny you earn is a seriously worked for penny and after all of that you goto love what you are doing because if you dont you will become bored, or frustrated.

Ya said it yourself the time spent to earn a penny is not worth the effort and for the most part that is true.

Scammers abound at all levels and every step of the way you will have to contend with em.

Anyways good luck but leave while you can before you spend to much time and money, you are better off bartending, being a hairstylist or a neighborhood dog walker.

Corleone · 02-19-2006, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porn Mongrel

My site is http://pornmongrel.com

I do not offer New York Times Stuff. You must have been looking at another site.

404 for me

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-19-2006, 12:44 PM

http://pornmongrel.com/forum/

you are linking to a board in your sig.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-19-2006, 12:46 PM

Nevermind...
You must be full of shit and just a paid troll or somthing.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-19-2006, 12:46 PM

God damn these boards are really beginning to suck.

Are there any REAL webmasters left?

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-19-2006, 12:47 PM

Fuck this, I am gonna get a six pack and wait for a phone call.

Porn Mongrel · 02-19-2006, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

http://pornmongrel.com/forum/

you are linking to a board in your sig.

Ok I fixed the sig.

Look I was looking for advise, you gave me yours and I said not to hold back.

Porn Mongrel · 02-19-2006, 12:50 PM

Ok I am going to do the TGP so I bought TGP rotator. Now I just need to find a designer who can put together a TGP design for me today.

jjjay · 02-19-2006, 01:57 PM

don't know why i bothered. last time i give a noob help

02-18-2006, 03:00 PM	#1
Porn Mongrel Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Porn, Texas Posts: 40	How much $$ can you make? I have been building my site for about 3 months now. I get a few signups a month for my listed sites. I am not a TGP submitter. I just have my own front page with pics but mostly I add pics to my forum. I also allow others to post thier content. How much money can be made this way instead on a full TGP? I work on my site at nights and weekends as much as I can. Am I going about this the right way? Your opinions please. Do not hold back! __________________ PornMongrel Last edited by Porn Mongrel; 02-18-2006 at 03:03 PM..

02-18-2006, 03:02 PM	#2
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	I think your sig breaks the rules so you may wish to reconsider it. __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

02-18-2006, 04:31 PM	#3
Porn Mongrel Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Porn, Texas Posts: 40	Ok I fixed it! __________________ PornMongrel

02-18-2006, 04:39 PM	#5
Porn Mongrel Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Porn, Texas Posts: 40	So in your opinion is being a TGP submiter the only way to go? __________________ PornMongrel

02-18-2006, 04:44 PM	#8
$5 submissions I help you SUCCEED Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Pearl of the Orient Seas Posts: 32,195	It all depends on YOU. How much time you have to 1) manually do the work and (MORE IMPORTANTLY) 2) research alternative traffic sources. Since people vary, the results will also vary. However, your income will be enhanced if you: 1) Reinvest your earnings into your business 2) Take advantage of free tools sponsors give you as well as those found on the Net 3) Establish a mentality of LEARNING __________________ Need a NON-ADULT income stream? We build your YOUTUBE CHANNEL for only $20 per video! For Hire: $3/hour or $400 per month Marketing Specialist Virtual Assistants

02-18-2006, 04:52 PM	#9
Verbal Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,420	I'm by no means an expert, but I HAVE learned not to put all my eggs in one basket. You want to diversify ... there are a ton of different ways of getting traffic. Try them all, see what works for you, then do more of it, but never close the doors on new ideas and new sources.

02-18-2006, 04:54 PM	#10
Porn Mongrel Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Porn, Texas Posts: 40	Ok here is the breakdown. I make about $106,000 a year as a piping designer. I design offshore oil and gas production facilities here in Houston Texas. My goal is to create a good source of income building a good site with great content and members. I am not looking for a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. I am very willing to work at it. I am just starting to get a little frustrated with it. I spend all of my extra time learning this trade. My wife is actually cool with this idea because I have shown her what you all can produce as far as really great sites. I am not against spending good money into it because I realize it is a business. I have bought traffic but it seems to do me no good. I guess I am just looking for direction. My time is worth money so I do not want to waste it. Total I have spent around $2500 in the past 3-4 months on hosting and mainly ads on retnuh and thumbzilla. I stop advertising last month and this month has been really slow. __________________ PornMongrel

02-18-2006, 05:01 PM	#11
Verbal Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,420	I also think you need to find a more specific niche ... sending traffic to a 'general' porn page isnt going to do you much good. Gotta filter it somehow

02-18-2006, 05:06 PM	#13
Porn Mongrel Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Porn, Texas Posts: 40	Yea I can see that you are right. It seemed liked they just bounced in and out. This is the expenses so far. $120 for front page design. $100 for vbulletin $800 for 4 months on Dedicated server $500 Thumbzilla adds $600 for Retnuh ads - great - traffic $340 in traffic buying $2460 total so far! __________________ PornMongrel

02-18-2006, 05:10 PM	#15
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	the site in your sig doesnt load for me... __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

02-18-2006, 05:13 PM	#16
Porn Mongrel Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Porn, Texas Posts: 40	Really? Are you using Explorer? __________________ PornMongrel

02-18-2006, 05:30 PM	#20
Young Bland for life Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 10,468	Porn forums don't usually work unless you're giving them something that they can't already get for free (passwords, zips, full videos, members area shit ) which is a big no no. I mean there are forums like that out there making money but it's not the way you want to go about it if you wanna last long. Find yourself a specific niche and target audience and get cracking. A general place to get porn no longer works...only the established places get that kind of traffic. Easier money in mainstream IMO...but why not do a little of both? The adult industry is highly competitive and people pull shit that you never see done in the mainstream world. You'll get alot better advice from the more seasoned vets but basically to sum it up....find a niche, an audience for that niche...and feed it to them on a daily basis.

02-18-2006, 05:40 PM	#22
czarina Webmaster Extraordinaire Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: A beautiful beach... Posts: 10,748	Start yourself a blog, and a tgp, and a link list. Combine them all, and you will start to earn.

02-18-2006, 05:57 PM	#24
andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	see 4.) http://www.nextdoorcash.com/faq.htm

02-18-2006, 05:59 PM	#25
Porn Mongrel Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Porn, Texas Posts: 40	That would be hard for me to believe! __________________ PornMongrel

02-18-2006, 06:26 PM	#26
ajrocks Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: On Uranus Posts: 4,526	I bet you 100 bucks you fail! If you want to make money in this business you need to be in content. Star in your very own gay beastie porn! That will make you money. __________________ SEO Strategy - Digital Strategy - Cannabis Lead Generation Skype aj.durden1

02-19-2006, 11:19 AM	#28
jjjay Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,813	to be perfectly objective - as it sounds you've got some money to spend on this, i would suggest the best way to spend it to start off with is with coaching off someone experienced and credible. whether someone who works in mainstream or in adult i would say you would find that very helpful, and a much better use of your $. i can offer suggestions if this is something you feel would work for you.

02-19-2006, 11:41 AM	#29
Porn Mongrel Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Porn, Texas Posts: 40	Yes! Shoot! __________________ PornMongrel

02-19-2006, 12:17 PM	#30
jjjay Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,813	I can point you towards a few resources. For example - for learning ppc: perrymarshall.com page-zero.com adwordsmentor.com for learning seo: seobook.com seoresearchlabs.com i can't think of one resource right now that tells you how to convert traffic. you'll need copywriting skills, usability and design skills ... and find what works first hand. learn from your competition too. this probably hasn't answered your question, but internet marketing is a huge subject, so rather than spending money on trial and error i would suggest learning from those more experienced than you and who are willing to share their knowledge. those resources I've mentioned are a good start. and be careful about much informaiton offered, especially on free sites - much is out of date and also a lot of it is just plain incorrect. and btw - i don't think you need a dedicated server, especially at the level you're currently playing at. a basic shared hosting package will be fine.

02-19-2006, 12:37 PM	#31
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	I went to your site. What are you doing offering things unrelated to adult? Subscribe to the New York Times? Get an Education Links? You have a webmaster banner for pimproll on a gallery page. Get a passport advertisement? Seriously if you wanna make money, develop a business plan, a comprehensive one and make sure it has focus. What I mean is your model supposed to generate traffic? Readership? Whats the end game to closing a nickle? Those things you goto consider and the less reliant you are on buying things the more reliant you can become in generating a dime. Honestly I do not think you thought it through and ya oughtah go back review your whole method and divise a goal oriented plan. You establish traffic then you can sell it, you make the site sticky in reader ship sell ad space, I dunno but those are basic examples. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

02-19-2006, 12:42 PM	#32
Porn Mongrel Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Porn, Texas Posts: 40	My site is http://pornmongrel.com I do not offer New York Times Stuff. You must have been looking at another site. __________________ PornMongrel

02-19-2006, 12:43 PM	#33
Pryda Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 904	Your site is not working for me Using Firefox. __________________ Babepedia

02-19-2006, 12:44 PM	#34
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	My best advice to you is to just stop what you are doing and find another hobby. Its not that you suck, but porn is saturated there is no fast money. Each penny you earn is a seriously worked for penny and after all of that you goto love what you are doing because if you dont you will become bored, or frustrated. Ya said it yourself the time spent to earn a penny is not worth the effort and for the most part that is true. Scammers abound at all levels and every step of the way you will have to contend with em. Anyways good luck but leave while you can before you spend to much time and money, you are better off bartending, being a hairstylist or a neighborhood dog walker. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

02-19-2006, 12:46 PM	#37
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Nevermind... You must be full of shit and just a paid troll or somthing. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

02-19-2006, 12:47 PM	#39
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Fuck this, I am gonna get a six pack and wait for a phone call. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

02-19-2006, 12:50 PM	#41
Porn Mongrel Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Porn, Texas Posts: 40	Ok I am going to do the TGP so I bought TGP rotator. Now I just need to find a designer who can put together a TGP design for me today. __________________ PornMongrel

02-19-2006, 01:57 PM	#42
jjjay Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,813	don't know why i bothered. last time i give a noob help