My response to RogerV's Rumor...... - GoFuckYourself.com

Shap · 01-26-2006, 03:28 PM

I'm not going to hijack the SexyBabes vs Epassporte thread which can be found here http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...=567994&page=1
SexyBabes is a friend and a competitor. I believe he does business much the same way we do and seeing what has been posted I feel he is getting the short end of the stick on that situation. However that's another deal.

This thread is to address RogerV's rumour regarding DeanCapture. Here is what Roger posted on that thread...

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerV

Basically I heard you were shooting for someone full time took there models that they had for exclusive shoots on a site they are getting ready to launch and hit the models up later to shoot them for another client you so happen to be working for now.
thats about it in a nut shell! Girls and contacts you would not have had without the business they hired you for. I can go on If I'm wrong Sorry thats what I heard in the rumour mill its not a fact but if you want to comment on it go ahead to be honest I really dont care it doesnt effect me. and I am in no way trying to tarnish your name its a rummor like most on GFY

Roger I'd like to explain the situation to you and I hope you'll point the rumour starter to this thread and ask them to email me if they have any questions.

First up, there is currently no company in the Glamour-Babe niche that is more aggressive than us, Twistys.com. Anybody who has dealt with us knows how we do business. We don't take no for an answer. We work our asses off to provide our members with the hottest women in the world and that in turn makes our affiliates more money.

That being said the talent pool in LA is limited. There is Us, Penthouse, Ddgirls and a slew of other sites that usually end up shooting the same girls. When there is a photographer as talented as Dean obviously he ends up in situations where he will shoot the same model for multiple sites. The majority of the models Dean has shot for us were contacted by my wife Beth (Mrs Shap). Dean made it clear to us that once he shot a model for another site he was not comfortable asking the model to shoot for Twistys, he felt he owed it to the other sites. Obviously that pissed me off. I don't like hearing no as an answer, especially when hot women are involved

. One perfect example was Valentina Vaughn. I asked Dean to shoot her for us and he refused to do so because he had shot her for another company which he would not name. Dean cost himself alot of money (with us) by refusing to work with models he recently shot for others, that was something he valued and felt was more important than money. I respect him for standing up for that.

In the past year of doing business with Dean he has showed me that he values each and every one of his clients. Whether it be models they are shooting, locations, styles, demands, whatever. Dean never shared any info from photoshoots besides Twistys shoots. Work he did for other companies was 100% private info that was never shared with us.

Now to the rumor starter and anybody else who wants to blame Dean, step up and Blame Me! I'd love to hear what you have to say. If you don't sign a model exclusively she's open game and if she's hot she's going to shoot for Twistys. Any model that Dean shot for us was a result of Beth contacting and making the shoot happen. Dean never hustled girls for us and never contacted girls on his own. All contacts were either made by Beth or at Beth's request. Again if you want to blame anyone blame us

who · 01-26-2006, 03:28 PM

Ice · 01-26-2006, 03:28 PM

Wow this one could get interesting

KMR Stitch · 01-26-2006, 03:29 PM

do I detect drama?

SmokeyTheBear · 01-26-2006, 03:31 PM

good post.. i read it all even though it doesn't involve me.

Theo · 01-26-2006, 03:32 PM

can you stop being so nice even on drama threads? thanks

Shap · 01-26-2006, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ice

Wow this one could get interesting

Quote:

Originally Posted by KMR Stitch

do I detect drama?

Well rumors can either lead to drama or fizzle out and turn into bs.

I just don't like seeing RogerV and Dean going head to head with each other for no reason. The truth is there is someone (probably a few people) out there upset with the bold moves we are making. There isn't much I can do about that. I'm determined to make 2006 our best year ever and that involves making wise business decisions. I can't worry about who's feelings i hurt when I make these decisions.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 01-26-2006, 04:22 PM

For the record wasnt me kickin rumors.

Dean is just an arrogant fuck wad.

DamageX · 01-26-2006, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shap

The truth is there is someone (probably a few people) out there upset with the bold moves we are making. There isn't much I can do about that. I'm determined to make 2006 our best year ever and that involves making wise business decisions. I can't worry about who's feelings i hurt when I make these decisions.

Business is business. They should cope with it or throw in the towel.

Shap · 01-26-2006, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

For the record wasnt me kickin rumors.

Dean is just an arrogant fuck wad.

I know it wasn't you. It's a paysite owner.

Btw if you got to know Dean you know there is nothing further from the truth. He's a really nice guy.

JD · 01-26-2006, 04:25 PM

I got yer back dawg

Balls to the wall! Biz is biz

ServerGenius · 01-26-2006, 04:27 PM

If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen

kristin · 01-26-2006, 04:27 PM

This will either die out or go to many, many pages ...

Shap · 01-26-2006, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kristin

This will either die out or go to many, many pages ...

It will die out because there isn't much behind it. Complaining about business moves another company makes is weak and in the end I believe that is what this whole situation is about.

xxxjay · 01-26-2006, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shap

I'm not going to hijack the SexyBabes vs Epassporte thread which can be found here http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...=567994&page=1
SexyBabes is a friend and a competitor. I believe he does business much the same way we do and seeing what has been posted I feel he is getting the short end of the stick on that situation. However that's another deal.

This thread is to address RogerV's rumour regarding DeanCapture. Here is what Roger posted on that thread...

Roger I'd like to explain the situation to you and I hope you'll point the rumour starter to this thread and ask them to email me if they have any questions.

First up, there is currently no company in the Glamour-Babe niche that is more aggressive than us, Twistys.com. Anybody who has dealt with us knows how we do business. We don't take no for an answer. We work our asses off to provide our members with the hottest women in the world and that in turn makes our affiliates more money.

That being said the talent pool in LA is limited. There is Us, Penthouse, Ddgirls and a slew of other sites that usually end up shooting the same girls. When there is a photographer as talented as Dean obviously he ends up in situations where he will shoot the same model for multiple sites. The majority of the models Dean has shot for us were contacted by my wife Beth (Mrs Shap). Dean made it clear to us that once he shot a model for another site he was not comfortable asking the model to shoot for Twistys, he felt he owed it to the other sites. Obviously that pissed me off. I don't like hearing no as an answer, especially when hot women are involved

. One perfect example was Valentina Vaughn. I asked Dean to shoot her for us and he refused to do so because he had shot her for another company which he would not name. Dean cost himself alot of money (with us) by refusing to work with models he recently shot for others, that was something he valued and felt was more important than money. I respect him for standing up for that.

In the past year of doing business with Dean he has showed me that he values each and every one of his clients. Whether it be models they are shooting, locations, styles, demands, whatever. Dean never shared any info from photoshoots besides Twistys shoots. Work he did for other companies was 100% private info that was never shared with us.

Now to the rumor starter and anybody else who wants to blame Dean, step up and Blame Me! I'd love to hear what you have to say. If you don't sign a model exclusively she's open game and if she's hot she's going to shoot for Twistys. Any model that Dean shot for us was a result of Beth contacting and making the shoot happen. Dean never hustled girls for us and never contacted girls on his own. All contacts were either made by Beth or at Beth's request. Again if you want to blame anyone blame us

I think "War and Peace" had less words in it.

Shapette · 01-26-2006, 04:40 PM

Hey everyone, I just want to make mention of a few things regarding my first hand dealings with Dean...

As many of you may know, I am the one who deals with the photography end as well as major content purchases (among other things) for our site Twistys.com. I deal with many talented photographers *more than 40* and with 1,591 models in our Twistys database and 600,000+ images, it is inevitable that we are shooting many of the same models as our competitors in any given week or month.

With that said, I'd like to make a few comments specific to Dean and the shoots he has done / is doing for Twistys.com.

With regards to Dean's integrity; I don't know what he says to our competitors (about Twistys) but I do know what he says (and doesn't say) when he is shooting for us. I can say with confidence that Dean has never once mentioned any specifics about models or shoots regarding competitors, to me. I ask Dean for specific things to shoot and he nails it. He doesn't throw in extras or 'special' shots I do not ask for. Sometimes this makes me wonder if he could be doing more for Twistys... however, I have to commend Dean for keeping each client separate. I know he is doing different types of shots from time to time for competitors because I see it. When I ask Dean "Hey you didn't get (this type of shot)" his reply is "You didn't ask me for that specifically. Sorry Beth, send me a sample of what you want and I'll do my best to get it next time." This proves to me that Dean is not throwing around our competitor's signature shots just because he becomes good at delivering what they are asking for.

Another thing, Dean has never once offered up a model he shot for someone else, to me. In fact, on many occassions I have asked Dean to book a specific model I met at a show or found on another site/modeling agency site or found on a single model site... but Dean refused more than once. Why? His answer was simple (and I quote) "Well Beth, I don't feel comfortable calling _____ because I just shot her for one of your competitors last week. However, if you have or find her info, contact her. Have her get in touch with me and I'll see if I can book her for next month. I am sure you understand why I won't contact her now, I don't want (competitor name) thinking I am trying to offer up their girls to Twistys. I'm sorry." Now naturally, this made me a little red in the face. First, I didn't know he shot these girls for someone else and I really didn't care. Secondly, I had to go and dig up her info and go through the back and forth, and make the date happen. But again, I have to respect how Dean handles business while workng for so many people in the same niche. I have to respect his decision NOT to call her because he shot her for another site, last week. This is one of the reasons why I continue to work with Dean, not because he delivers consistenly good content but also because he is honest and he doesn't bullshit me. He never 'dogs' any of our competitors either so I assume he is not doing it to Twistys. This is the sign of a good business person.

With all this said, I have Dean doing some extra things for Twistys that I know he's not doing for other sites. Given the competitive nature of our industry and the fact that Dean works for so many paysites, I am pleased with the way Dean handles himself and feel comfortable working with him. I know he's not out to use our 'secrets' to benefit our competitors and I believe he is not using other sites' secrets to specifically benefit Twistys.

Shap · 01-26-2006, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay

I think "War and Peace" had less words in it.

I know

I have a tough time expressing myself in 100 words or less.

chase · 01-26-2006, 04:47 PM

If it's possible, I like Twisty's even more now.

JFK · 01-26-2006, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KMR Stitch

do I detect drama?

could be maybee , but too many reasonable explanations are at hand

Shap · 01-26-2006, 06:44 PM

I was going to wait until Monday to announce this but with all the rumors flying around I figured I might as well go public with the news tonight

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=568600

RogerV · 01-26-2006, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shap

I'm not going to hijack the SexyBabes vs Epassporte thread which can be found here http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...=567994&page=1
SexyBabes is a friend and a competitor. I believe he does business much the same way we do and seeing what has been posted I feel he is getting the short end of the stick on that situation. However that's another deal.

This thread is to address RogerV's rumour regarding DeanCapture. Here is what Roger posted on that thread...

Roger I'd like to explain the situation to you and I hope you'll point the rumour starter to this thread and ask them to email me if they have any questions.

First up, there is currently no company in the Glamour-Babe niche that is more aggressive than us, Twistys.com. Anybody who has dealt with us knows how we do business. We don't take no for an answer. We work our asses off to provide our members with the hottest women in the world and that in turn makes our affiliates more money.

That being said the talent pool in LA is limited. There is Us, Penthouse, Ddgirls and a slew of other sites that usually end up shooting the same girls. When there is a photographer as talented as Dean obviously he ends up in situations where he will shoot the same model for multiple sites. The majority of the models Dean has shot for us were contacted by my wife Beth (Mrs Shap). Dean made it clear to us that once he shot a model for another site he was not comfortable asking the model to shoot for Twistys, he felt he owed it to the other sites. Obviously that pissed me off. I don't like hearing no as an answer, especially when hot women are involved

. One perfect example was Valentina Vaughn. I asked Dean to shoot her for us and he refused to do so because he had shot her for another company which he would not name. Dean cost himself alot of money (with us) by refusing to work with models he recently shot for others, that was something he valued and felt was more important than money. I respect him for standing up for that.

In the past year of doing business with Dean he has showed me that he values each and every one of his clients. Whether it be models they are shooting, locations, styles, demands, whatever. Dean never shared any info from photoshoots besides Twistys shoots. Work he did for other companies was 100% private info that was never shared with us.

Now to the rumor starter and anybody else who wants to blame Dean, step up and Blame Me! I'd love to hear what you have to say. If you don't sign a model exclusively she's open game and if she's hot she's going to shoot for Twistys. Any model that Dean shot for us was a result of Beth contacting and making the shoot happen. Dean never hustled girls for us and never contacted girls on his own. All contacts were either made by Beth or at Beth's request. Again if you want to blame anyone blame us

First off I was trying to prove a point to your boy dean about talking shit about a company that I do biz with, it was very much an inside jab that only he understood. I have nothing against you. youre doing the exact same thing I did for a friend right now. but he egged me on so I posted what I heard and didnt go into detail. it's not a rumour i just said that to be nice.
but since you ask I will have him post in this thread no email is neccassary.

but lets get this straight by his remarks I saw posted about a company I respect Epass and a girl it doesnt sound like he values his clients or models or anyone in the biz Which I will later post some of his threads.

I also plan on making some very large moves PornoPushers within a month or so and have the past 10 years in the industry. I agree if there isnt an exclusive contract she's open game and any Hot girl out there will also shoot for BoomBody.com no biggy.

RogerV · 01-26-2006, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shap

Well rumors can either lead to drama or fizzle out and turn into bs.

I just don't like seeing RogerV and Dean going head to head with each other for no reason. The truth is there is someone (probably a few people) out there upset with the bold moves we are making. There isn't much I can do about that. I'm determined to make 2006 our best year ever and that involves making wise business decisions. I can't worry about who's feelings i hurt when I make these decisions.

It was something done to a friend who is getting ready to launch his site and program that dean shot for and the way things were handled seemed unprofessional it has nothing to do about me I just felt bad for the guy. if you dont care about feelings why did you make this post..

I personally am not threatend by any program,site or person out there in this industry what so ever.

As far as dean goes I have never met him or heard about him till he shot for my friend

Grapesoda · 01-26-2006, 07:24 PM

I gotta go with shap on this one . . . dean is a straight shooter with no hidden agendas and no behind closed doors creepy behaviors . . I'm sure that any rumors are, only rumors, misinterpreted events, or uninformed speculation . .

over and out -bmb

Donny · 01-26-2006, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shap

I know it wasn't you. It's a paysite owner.

Btw if you got to know Dean you know there is nothing further from the truth. He's a really nice guy.

I agree. I've met him and conversed with him for a few years now. He's very humble and just a really nice person.

RogerV · 01-26-2006, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donny

I agree. I've met him and conversed with him for a few years now. He's very humble and just a really nice person.

He might be I really dont care much about him to be honest. I was just defending some friends he ripped on which was epass and leslie. just like I'm defending someone right now who really doesnt want to post and be involved in the drama.

which is all this is!!! a way for twisty's to get sig views

I love there aggressive nature I love the competition it gets my balls all tingly

Grapesoda · 01-26-2006, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerV

He might be I really dont care much about him to be honest. I was just defending some friends he ripped on which was epass and leslie. just like I'm defending someone right now who really doesnt want to post and be involved in the drama.

which is all this is!!! a way for twisty's to get sig views

I love there aggressive nature I love the competition it gets my balls all tingly

sig spot

Donny · 01-26-2006, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerV

He might be I really dont care much about him to be honest. I was just defending some friends he ripped on which was epass and leslie. just like I'm defending someone right now who really doesnt want to post and be involved in the drama.

which is all this is!!! a way for twisty's to get sig views

I love there aggressive nature I love the competition it gets my balls all tingly

Epassporte pisses me off in many ways too. Grrrrrr...

Let's just say they have a lot of room for improvement.

xenigo · 01-26-2006, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerV

First off I was trying to prove a point to your boy dean about talking shit about a company that I do biz with, it was very much an inside jab that only he understood. I have nothing against you. youre doing the exact same thing I did for a friend right now. but he egged me on so I posted what I heard and didnt go into detail. it's not a rumour i just said that to be nice.
but since you ask I will have him post in this thread no email is neccassary.

but lets get this straight by his remarks I saw posted about a company I respect Epass and a girl it doesnt sound like he values his clients or models or anyone in the biz Which I will later post some of his threads.

I also plan on making some very large moves PornoPushers within a month or so and have the past 10 years in the industry. I agree if there isnt an exclusive contract she's open game and any Hot girl out there will also shoot for BoomBody.com no biggy.

I'll say you're sounding like a real uninformed, ignorant person. Dean is 100% pure integrity, and you're talking out of your ass about things you know nothing about.

Why don't you figure out what is really going on, and then come back to the boards with your conclusion.

Until then, keep your trap shut.

FUCKuPAYme · 01-26-2006, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donny

Epassporte pisses me off in many ways too. Grrrrrr...

Let's just say they have a lot of room for improvement.

We can say the same about every company out there.

FUCKuPAYme · 01-26-2006, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xenigo

I'll say you're sounding like a real uninformed, ignorant person. Dean is 100% pure integrity, and you're talking out of your ass about things you know nothing about.

Why don't you figure out what is really going on, and then come back to the boards with your conclusion.

Until then, keep your trap shut.

everyone thinks they know the full story all the time

Tell him to keep his mouth shut

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 01-26-2006, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xenigo

I'll say you're sounding like a real uninformed, ignorant person. Dean is 100% pure integrity, and you're talking out of your ass about things you know nothing about.

Why don't you figure out what is really going on, and then come back to the boards with your conclusion.

Until then, keep your trap shut.

OH man...

Dumbass of the year award goes to...

YOU!

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 01-26-2006, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

OH man...

Dumbass of the year award goes to...

YOU! (xenigo)

They already gave out the Dumbshit of the Year Award? Goddamnit, I wasn't even nominated!!!

Now I know how you feel regarding X-Biz, AlienQ.

ADG Webmaster

Jman · 01-26-2006, 08:45 PM

Or maybe they could blame.... CANADA ;-)

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 01-26-2006, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

They already gave out the Dumbshit of the Year Award? Goddamnit, I wasn't even nominated!!!

Now I know how you feel regarding X-Biz, AlienQ.

ADG Webmaster

This shit fuckin blows...

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01-26-2006, 10:15 PM

wow, keeping my mouth shut on this one

best of luck to all parties involved

xxxjay · 01-26-2006, 11:00 PM

Yo roger -- hit me up about doing some hardlink trades for your mgp. You vanished off my icq for some reason.

RogerV · 01-26-2006, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay

Yo roger -- hit me up about doing some hardlink trades for your mgp. You vanished off my icq for some reason.

Sounds great I will hit you up tomorrow strange I dont see you on my ICQ here is mine 161-759-738. you rolling out to tampa soon

Donny · 01-26-2006, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerV

He might be I really dont care much about him to be honest. I was just defending some friends he ripped on which was epass and leslie. just like I'm defending someone right now who really doesnt want to post and be involved in the drama.

which is all this is!!! a way for twisty's to get sig views

I love there aggressive nature I love the competition it gets my balls all tingly

I am reading that thread. On page 2 at the moment. And, man, you are way off this time. I think you're just touchy because it involves an ex-girlfriend, but Dean was right-on in what he posted. I think you over-reacted.

seeric · 01-26-2006, 11:16 PM

shap i don't think that what roger is saying was interpreted the way he wanted it to be.

IMHO.

twitstys is not the target of anything for my outside perspective. then again if personal things are involved, then well, that tends to skew things. but i know that you and roger are old school and i never like to see that kind of thing percolate.

mikeyddddd · 01-26-2006, 11:18 PM

> > > > > SEE SIG < < < < <

DWB · 01-26-2006, 11:18 PM

Please tell me web site owners are not getting territorial over models who are not under contract to either party. That's pathetic.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 01-26-2006, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Buy AsianDiva girls content or my content;)

AsianDivaGirls and iALien LLC are in no way associated but we do sell awesome content and there are many photoghers in the world that can shoot great content!

Two of them being iAlien LLC and AsianDivaGirls!

Did I mention that one should contact us for exact quotes and prices?
Well you should!

Ahem...yo Q, I don't sell my content dude. I use all my content exclusively on my own independent paysites (ADG being just one of them).

Also, I'm an amateur photographer, videographer, web designer and what not. I'm basically an amateur at everything. I'm really not in the same class of photographers as Dean, BMB, or even yourself. I work real hard, and try to get better, but lots of my stuff still sucks.

Thanks for the kind words though...

...and since nobody noticed it, in my thread above I cited the Dumbshit Award when it should have been the Dumbass Award. Therefore I nominate myself for the Dumbshit Award.

I hope everyone else feels better about themselves.

Finally, read this in a cartoon on another thread: "The only thing funnier than a crying clown is a mime in a full body cast".

ADG Webmaster

RogerV · 01-26-2006, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donny

I am reading that thread. On page 2 at the moment. And, man, you are way off this time. I think you're just touchy because it involves an ex-girlfriend, but Dean was right-on in what he posted. I think you over-reacted.

Forget about leslie that was just part of it that pissed me off.
So its ok for him to make a comment like this about a company

"Having ePassport do all your dirty work is pathetic and makes ePass look like the clowns that they are. I think ePass is going about this the wrong way and as you can see from the majority of the posts in this thread....everybody agrees."

thats what pisses me off because chris is a very good friend of mine. If you guys dont like Epassporte dont use there service

but stop bitching about them.

Honestly I hate people who make smart as remarks like that so I gave him a piece of his own Spew if you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen. he just hit my wrong button with people i care about and kept pushing it.

If he said the same thing about you I would still have the same view on it.

I wonder if epass is going to continue to do biz with the companies that keep bashing them I know I wouldnt.

Also I didnt over react read Chris's Post

Donny · 01-26-2006, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerV

Forget about leslie that was just part of it that pissed me off.
So its ok for him to make a comment like this about a company

"Having ePassport do all your dirty work is pathetic and makes ePass look like the clowns that they are. I think ePass is going about this the wrong way and as you can see from the majority of the posts in this thread....everybody agrees."

thats what pisses me off because chris is a very good friend of mine. If you guys dont like Epassporte dont use there service

but stop bitching about them.

Honestly I hate people who make smart as remarks like that so I gave him a piece of his own Spew if you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen. he just hit my wrong button with people i care about and kept pushing it.

If he said the same thing about you I would still have the same view on it.

I wonder if epass is going to continue to do biz with the companies that keep bashing them I know I wouldnt.

Also I didnt over react read Chris's Post

Reading from a non-biased perspective, I can tell you Chris' post looks like complete and utter bullshit to me. For one, he mentions the model being portrayed as an adult actress or pornstar. She's not portrayed as either. Credibility for Chris goes down a notch for that one alone. Which makes me believe the original poster when he says the release did not have any special considerations and was not altered. I believe that.

It's easy to say "if you don't like ePassporte don't use their service". But ePassporte is trying to compete with PayPal. They'll never do so if they act so completely unprofessional as they're acting in this case. It makes them look like egotistical thugs instead of professionals.

Juicy D. Links · 01-26-2006, 11:59 PM

For the record all these models would kill to spend one night with me

RogerV · 01-27-2006, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Please tell me web site owners are not getting territorial over models who are not under contract to either party. That's pathetic.

I really dont care it was something done to a friend of mine but Like shap said

Now to the rumor starter and anybody else who wants to blame Dean, step up and Blame Me! I'd love to hear what you have to say. If you don't sign a model exclusively she's open game and if she's hot she's going to shoot for Twistys. Any model that Dean shot for us was a result of Beth contacting and making the shoot happen. Dean never hustled girls for us and never contacted girls on his own. All contacts were either made by Beth or at Beth's request. Again if you want to blame anyone blame us

So in a few days the blame game will start and everything will be out in the open.

I really was going to let it go but this thread keeps making me

tony286 · 01-27-2006, 12:16 AM

Anytime If Ive had a question Dean has always been there to answer it for me. He doesnt know me besides the boards. He is has always been a good guy. Epass should have nothing to do with anything besides providing their services to their clients. Chris should know that .

RogerV · 01-27-2006, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Donny

Reading from a non-biased perspective, I can tell you Chris' post looks like complete and utter bullshit to me. For one, he mentions the model being portrayed as an adult actress or pornstar. She's not portrayed as either. Credibility for Chris goes down a notch for that one alone. Which makes me believe the original poster when he says the release did not have any special considerations and was not altered. I believe that.

It's easy to say "if you don't like ePassporte don't use their service". But ePassporte is trying to compete with PayPal. They'll never do so if they act so completely unprofessional as they're acting in this case. It makes them look like egotistical thugs instead of professionals.

LOL paypal wont even do business with adult are you telling me they are Professional? and those pics are just part of the story.

Just google her name and see what comes up she is very upset over it since she has never done a nude shoot ever and is one of the top Bikini models
if she worked for me or even is a friend or daughter I would fight to clean it up for her as well but the internet is a very large beast.
Him denying to do biz with a company that wouldnt remove her from the site is a small step of what he could do to help her. you are not looking at it in a non- biased view . both sides have left alot out and will be resolved in court

I even said I liked the site said nothing bad about the company with the bikini site if I did please point it out to me. all I was saying was epass has the right to refuse biz and I agreed becasue I know a little more about the sit.

RogerV · 01-27-2006, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Anytime If Ive had a question Dean has always been there to answer it for me. He doesnt know me besides the boards. He is has always been a good guy. Epass should have nothing to do with anything besides providing their services to their clients. Chris should know that .

If I did something to upset your wife would you still do biz with me?

be honest.
and have I ever been a bad guy to you?

Paypal should not play internet cop and deny adult from using there service why dont we start 100's of threads on them.. why because thats there right to do so

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01-26-2006, 04:40 PM	#16
Shapette Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bahamas Posts: 67	Hey everyone, I just want to make mention of a few things regarding my first hand dealings with Dean... As many of you may know, I am the one who deals with the photography end as well as major content purchases (among other things) for our site Twistys.com. I deal with many talented photographers more than 40 and with 1,591 models in our Twistys database and 600,000+ images, it is inevitable that we are shooting many of the same models as our competitors in any given week or month. With that said, I'd like to make a few comments specific to Dean and the shoots he has done / is doing for Twistys.com. With regards to Dean's integrity; I don't know what he says to our competitors (about Twistys) but I do know what he says (and doesn't say) when he is shooting for us. I can say with confidence that Dean has never once mentioned any specifics about models or shoots regarding competitors, to me. I ask Dean for specific things to shoot and he nails it. He doesn't throw in extras or 'special' shots I do not ask for. Sometimes this makes me wonder if he could be doing more for Twistys... however, I have to commend Dean for keeping each client separate. I know he is doing different types of shots from time to time for competitors because I see it. When I ask Dean "Hey you didn't get (this type of shot)" his reply is "You didn't ask me for that specifically. Sorry Beth, send me a sample of what you want and I'll do my best to get it next time." This proves to me that Dean is not throwing around our competitor's signature shots just because he becomes good at delivering what they are asking for. Another thing, Dean has never once offered up a model he shot for someone else, to me. In fact, on many occassions I have asked Dean to book a specific model I met at a show or found on another site/modeling agency site or found on a single model site... but Dean refused more than once. Why? His answer was simple (and I quote) "Well Beth, I don't feel comfortable calling _____ because I just shot her for one of your competitors last week. However, if you have or find her info, contact her. Have her get in touch with me and I'll see if I can book her for next month. I am sure you understand why I won't contact her now, I don't want (competitor name) thinking I am trying to offer up their girls to Twistys. I'm sorry." Now naturally, this made me a little red in the face. First, I didn't know he shot these girls for someone else and I really didn't care. Secondly, I had to go and dig up her info and go through the back and forth, and make the date happen. But again, I have to respect how Dean handles business while workng for so many people in the same niche. I have to respect his decision NOT to call her because he shot her for another site, last week. This is one of the reasons why I continue to work with Dean, not because he delivers consistenly good content but also because he is honest and he doesn't bullshit me. He never 'dogs' any of our competitors either so I assume he is not doing it to Twistys. This is the sign of a good business person. With all this said, I have Dean doing some extra things for Twistys that I know he's not doing for other sites. Given the competitive nature of our industry and the fact that Dean works for so many paysites, I am pleased with the way Dean handles himself and feel comfortable working with him. I know he's not out to use our 'secrets' to benefit our competitors and I believe he is not using other sites' secrets to specifically benefit Twistys. __________________ Beth (A.K.A. Shap's Better Half) ---> Email Me Beth at Twistys I have a WICKED POST BOT for sale Last edited by Shapette; 01-26-2006 at 04:41 PM..

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01-26-2006, 06:44 PM	#20
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01-26-2006, 07:24 PM	#23
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01-26-2006, 11:16 PM	#40
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	shap i don't think that what roger is saying was interpreted the way he wanted it to be. IMHO. twitstys is not the target of anything for my outside perspective. then again if personal things are involved, then well, that tends to skew things. but i know that you and roger are old school and i never like to see that kind of thing percolate. Last edited by seeric; 01-26-2006 at 11:17 PM..

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01-27-2006, 12:16 AM	#48
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Anytime If Ive had a question Dean has always been there to answer it for me. He doesnt know me besides the boards. He is has always been a good guy. Epass should have nothing to do with anything besides providing their services to their clients. Chris should know that .