You all taught me how to seek an investor - GoFuckYourself.com

Workshop_Willy · 11-25-2004, 05:18 PM

Which frankly is something I've never had to do before, so I botched it badly the first time. I need one now!

Some critical comments were made in this forum the last time I tried. While there was interest expressed, I couldn't figure out what kept bogging down the negotiations until I cleaned the crap out of my cranial cavity and looked at it with those comments in mind. Well duh. No outline, no figures, no nothing on my part to help guide the negotiations.

So after pulling it all together, here it is in full living color - my solicitation for an investor to get restarted in the wonderful world of producing erotic web content, complete with past figures, projections, and a portfolio.

Please be pliable and gentle!

I need a little bit of investment capital

PS: I'm sorry to hear about your loss, Sarah. Having watched my P's both die slow and agonizing deaths, I know what a shock it is to lose a loved one even when you expect it.

polish_aristocrat · 11-25-2004, 05:20 PM

link doesn't load.

Workshop_Willy · 11-25-2004, 05:21 PM

My apologies, a typo in the post. Try it now.

Rob · 11-25-2004, 05:23 PM

What exactly do you need investment capital for? Development? Marketing?

I can't say that I understand the proposal.

Workshop_Willy · 11-25-2004, 05:24 PM

Development. I need to buy a few things but 2/3 of the money is to hire models to get the ball rolling again.

Rob · 11-25-2004, 05:24 PM

Nevermind, I just dug a little deeper and found.

Honestly, I don't think you're going to find too many takers but that's just my

Workshop_Willy · 11-25-2004, 05:24 PM

I appreciate your looking into it.

Workshop_Willy · 11-25-2004, 05:35 PM

Any suggestions for other venues?

Workshop_Willy · 11-25-2004, 08:00 PM

Hmmmm.... maybe posting this on Thanksgiving Day was another botch.

mrthumbs · 11-25-2004, 08:06 PM

your business approach or what you think business is will lead you nowhere.. certainly not in this industry..

So start DOING things instead of THINKING and stuff will start
falling together for you.

mrthumbs · 11-25-2004, 08:09 PM

Besides that.. your numbers are outrageous and dont make any sense.

And:

"Our goal is to ramp up to producing at least 20,000 sellable photos and at least 15 videos per month within the next 30-45 days. This, at our current price points, represents $40,000-$45,000 per month in gross sales. We would then look to double our sales in the adult entertainment market by December 2005, and also to expand into different markets such as mainstream fashion, product and editorial."

Sounds great but how are you planning to accomplish that?

Or is that just a detail youll 'work out during the process'?

Workshop_Willy · 11-25-2004, 10:24 PM

Well, I appreciate your input, but you don't understand this side of the business, apparently..

I can sell as many photos as I can shoot. That's something I should have made more clear. It's a piece of cake to shoot 20,000 photos and 15 videos in a month.

I've (ahem) done enough of it to know that, and I suppose my mistake on this aspect of the plan is not to have pointed that out. I'm just assuming that everyone here knows about the workflow of production photography.

"Outrageous" is innaccurate. "Realistic" would be accurate, but how can I expect you to know that? You're "thinking" about my numbers and not "doing" my numbers.

Doctor Dre · 11-25-2004, 10:32 PM

This almost sound like Ticketmedia

lol

Theo · 11-25-2004, 10:32 PM

can i see some samples of the things you have shot so far?

Workshop_Willy · 11-25-2004, 10:34 PM

Yes, it's in the original post but here's the URL again:

http://www.trickedmedia.com/index-investor.html

Thanks for taking a look!

Theo · 11-25-2004, 10:45 PM

for some reason my browser doesnt want to load the shockwave,ill try with opera

Workshop_Willy · 11-25-2004, 10:55 PM

I use Mozilla Firebird. You might try that if Opera doesn't work. I'll look into this.

Peter Romero · 11-25-2004, 11:00 PM

He doesn't have an idea, no equipment, no money, and without a clue coming to GFY - send money. Same as the first post. And, stop bumping your own thread... it just proves that no-one is interested.

Workshop_Willy · 11-26-2004, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by POV Porn guy
He doesn't have an idea, no equipment...

You didn't read the investor page. Or look at any of the photos? If you did, you'd know I have both equipment and an idea.

Or are you just trying to influence others against reading it?

You're either talking out your ass or lying through your teeth.

evanmorgan · 11-26-2004, 11:01 AM

your better off asking your relatives, my mum is giving me my pocket money early this month....

Rob · 11-26-2004, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Workshop_Willy
"Outrageous" is innaccurate. "Realistic" would be accurate, but how can I expect you to know that? You're "thinking" about my numbers and not "doing" my numbers.

If your numbers are as great as you proclaim then why would you need financial backing? I'm just curious as to why someone that not only shoots that many shots but claims that it's "simple" would need financial assistance.

If you can sell them as fast as you can shoot them then it should be a revolving door and you shouldn't need any startup capital.

Peter Romero · 11-26-2004, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by HighOnAcid
If your numbers are as great as you proclaim then why would you need financial backing? I'm just curious as to why someone that not only shoots that many shots but claims that it's "simple" would need financial assistance.

If you can sell them as fast as you can shoot them then it should be a revolving door and you shouldn't need any startup capital.

What he said.

Workshop_Willy · 11-26-2004, 11:29 AM

Well as it says on the investor page, I haven't been concentrating on shooting for the past year. I've done some shooting, but only sporadically and then it has involved travel.

I can produce documentation and verification of those numbers to any serious investor.

By the way, all rancor aside, I am learning about what questions I should be addressing up front from all of this give and take. If nothing else comes out of this, that has. Thanks.

Workshop_Willy · 11-26-2004, 11:52 AM

Not to bump my post, but I tracked down the portfolio Flash issue which may have affected some of your impressions.

In Microshit Internet Exploder, there is an issue with embedding Shockwave out of the box. I changed the source code on the page, and now all of you using MSIE should be able to view the Portfolio Page showing samples of my past work.

Rob · 11-26-2004, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Workshop_Willy
...Portfolio Page showing samples of my past work.

Not to sound mean but lighting is a VERY IMPORTANT aspect of photography.

I wish you the best.

Workshop_Willy · 11-26-2004, 12:08 PM

Hmmm..... not sure how to take that. The samples include various lighting setups and filter combinations. A few of them take advantage of natural light.

If you mean that the model isn't absolutely flooded with lots of light a'la "amateur" model photography, you're right. None of these samples are. However, having shot lots images for ATK, and assuming you prefer to see that, I have samples of those too.

Pick your poison Chong

! And thanks for your input!

Rob · 11-26-2004, 12:31 PM

A couple of examples.

Peter Romero · 11-26-2004, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HighOnAcid
A couple of examples.

First picture: Great model... HORRIBLE picture of her (looks like here) buck teeth. Bad lighting (Tungsten) & shadows.

Second picture: can't see the 2 things that interest anyone watching or wanting to watch porn - face & pussy.

Hey, you asked. TWICE!

You shoot for ATK? Karups? Thanks, I'm contacting them now to solicit my production services.

Workshop_Willy · 11-26-2004, 12:39 PM

Yes, I rather like both of those.

The picture on top used all natural light, no flash or fill to give it that warm glow. The morning light in that kitchen is exceptional year-round.

The bottom one used a strobe w/umbrella on about %50 power as a soft fill at around 45% camera right. I wanted a shadow over her crotch, but not a full one. I also wanted to catch the sunlight through the picture window to camera left without cancelling it out.

Workshop_Willy · 11-26-2004, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by POV Porn guy
Second picture: can't see the 2 things that interest anyone watching or wanting to watch porn - face & pussy.

Hey, you asked. TWICE!

You shoot for ATK? Karups? Thanks, I'm contacting them now to solicit my production services.

Be my guest. These particular shots weren't taken for ATK or Karups, they were taken for me.

By the way, I suppose I should add a word here about the dangers of thinking that your particular taste in erotic photography encompasses the entire definition. These examples are glamour and playboy style, respectively. There are PORN shots on the portfolio that neither of you have mentioned.

Peter Romero · 11-26-2004, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Workshop_Willy
Yes, I rather like both of those.

The picture on top used all natural light, no flash or fill to give it that warm glow. The morning light in that kitchen is exceptional year-round.

The bottom one used a strobe w/umbrella on about %50 power as a soft fill at around 45% camera right. I wanted a shadow over her crotch, but not a full one. I also wanted to catch the sunlight through the picture window to camera left without cancelling it out.

Then you tried & succeeded at something - shooting 2 really bad photos. congrats - you are good at sucking.

Workshop_Willy · 11-26-2004, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by POV Porn guy
Then you tried & succeeded at something - shooting 2 really bad photos. congrats - you are good at sucking.

Wow POV. I mean, if I suck, why do you bother? Ya know what I mean?

Featured Photo, Shutterpoint.com December 2003:

3rd most viewed Photo, Shutterpoint.com December 2003:

TheMob · 11-26-2004, 12:58 PM

oh my god.. this is gonna get dramatic

Workshop_Willy · 11-26-2004, 12:59 PM

ROFLMAO

Peter Romero · 11-26-2004, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Workshop_Willy
Wow POV. I mean, if I suck, why do you bother? Ya know what I mean?

Featured Photo, Shutterpoint.com December 2003:

3rd most viewed Photo, Shutterpoint.com December 2003:

Well, that's a good picture... but this is PORN market - show us the good PORN pictures that you shoot.

Greg Jacobson · 11-26-2004, 01:04 PM

What is going on in this photo?

Workshop_Willy · 11-26-2004, 01:22 PM

Hmmm..... OH, you mean the hyper-intelligently thought out stuff! sure, here ya go.

Workshop_Willy · 11-26-2004, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Greg Jacobson
What is going on in this photo?

I like to get a shot or two of the model making funny faces. This was one of them.

Peter Romero · 11-26-2004, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Workshop_Willy
Hmmm..... OH, you mean the hyper-intelligently thought out stuff! sure, here ya go.

Funny... Flame is an old friend of mine. I just got off the phone with her.

Workshop_Willy · 11-26-2004, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by POV Porn guy
Funny... Flame is an old friend of mine. I just got off the phone with her.

No shit? If her mother and I ever decide to make the leap, she'll be my step-daughter. Tell her I said HI. I'm sure I'll talk to her later. She was my business partner at 29 Productions, by the way.

Raven · 11-26-2004, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Workshop_Willy
Well as it says on the investor page, I haven't been concentrating on shooting for the past year. I've done some shooting, but only sporadically and then it has involved travel.

I can produce documentation and verification of those numbers to any serious investor.

By the way, all rancor aside, I am learning about what questions I should be addressing up front from all of this give and take. If nothing else comes out of this, that has. Thanks.

What bothers me is your lack of constancy or consistency.

You state you've sold what you've created; but, that word 'sporadic' would be enough to scare anyone.

Workshop_Willy · 11-26-2004, 01:52 PM

That's a fair enough statement. Shooting has been sporadic because my focus has been on digital image manipulation and server management for the past year. I believe I explained that in the investors' information page.

Quite simply, I haven't been spending my time doing what I love, which is to shoot. I've been spending it fixing server problems and retouching other peoples' pictures (which both are tedious and low-paying activities, by the way).

I'm now coming back to what I love. As I mentioned to POV, "Flame" was my business partner last fall just when we were doing well. The partnership ended not over any business trouble or even personal animosity (there were and are none), but because she and her husband decided to move back east where he is from. That simple.

kmanrox · 11-26-2004, 02:04 PM

where does it say how much you spent on marketing to make those numbers happen?

Workshop_Willy · 11-26-2004, 02:06 PM

It doesn't, because I didn't. We simply solicited our services to key people whom we knew to buy content.

11-25-2004, 05:18 PM	#1
Workshop_Willy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 452	You all taught me how to seek an investor Which frankly is something I've never had to do before, so I botched it badly the first time. I need one now! Some critical comments were made in this forum the last time I tried. While there was interest expressed, I couldn't figure out what kept bogging down the negotiations until I cleaned the crap out of my cranial cavity and looked at it with those comments in mind. Well duh. No outline, no figures, no nothing on my part to help guide the negotiations. So after pulling it all together, here it is in full living color - my solicitation for an investor to get restarted in the wonderful world of producing erotic web content, complete with past figures, projections, and a portfolio. Please be pliable and gentle! I need a little bit of investment capital PS: I'm sorry to hear about your loss, Sarah. Having watched my P's both die slow and agonizing deaths, I know what a shock it is to lose a loved one even when you expect it.

11-25-2004, 05:20 PM	#2
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	link doesn't load. __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

11-25-2004, 05:23 PM	#4
Rob I'm a great bowler. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Right Outside of Normal. Posts: 13,309	What exactly do you need investment capital for? Development? Marketing? I can't say that I understand the proposal. __________________

11-25-2004, 05:24 PM	#6
Rob I'm a great bowler. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Right Outside of Normal. Posts: 13,309	Nevermind, I just dug a little deeper and found. Honestly, I don't think you're going to find too many takers but that's just my __________________

11-25-2004, 11:00 PM	#18
Peter Romero Long time no happy ending Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: San Diego CA Posts: 10,578	He doesn't have an idea, no equipment, no money, and without a clue coming to GFY - send money. Same as the first post. And, stop bumping your own thread... it just proves that no-one is interested. __________________ POVCash [email protected] See them all here: http://www.Petergirls.com

11-25-2004, 05:21 PM	#3
Workshop_Willy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 452	My apologies, a typo in the post. Try it now.

11-25-2004, 05:35 PM	#8
Workshop_Willy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 452	Any suggestions for other venues?

11-25-2004, 08:00 PM	#9
Workshop_Willy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 452	Hmmmm.... maybe posting this on Thanksgiving Day was another botch.

11-25-2004, 08:06 PM	#10
mrthumbs salad tossing sig guy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: mrthumbs*gmail.com Posts: 11,702	your business approach or what you think business is will lead you nowhere.. certainly not in this industry.. So start DOING things instead of THINKING and stuff will start falling together for you.

11-25-2004, 08:09 PM	#11
mrthumbs salad tossing sig guy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: mrthumbs*gmail.com Posts: 11,702	Besides that.. your numbers are outrageous and dont make any sense. And: "Our goal is to ramp up to producing at least 20,000 sellable photos and at least 15 videos per month within the next 30-45 days. This, at our current price points, represents $40,000-$45,000 per month in gross sales. We would then look to double our sales in the adult entertainment market by December 2005, and also to expand into different markets such as mainstream fashion, product and editorial." Sounds great but how are you planning to accomplish that? Or is that just a detail youll 'work out during the process'?

11-25-2004, 10:24 PM	#12
Workshop_Willy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 452	Well, I appreciate your input, but you don't understand this side of the business, apparently.. I can sell as many photos as I can shoot. That's something I should have made more clear. It's a piece of cake to shoot 20,000 photos and 15 videos in a month. I've (ahem) done enough of it to know that, and I suppose my mistake on this aspect of the plan is not to have pointed that out. I'm just assuming that everyone here knows about the workflow of production photography. "Outrageous" is innaccurate. "Realistic" would be accurate, but how can I expect you to know that? You're "thinking" about my numbers and not "doing" my numbers.

11-25-2004, 10:32 PM	#14
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	can i see some samples of the things you have shot so far?

11-25-2004, 10:34 PM	#15
Workshop_Willy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 452	Yes, it's in the original post but here's the URL again: http://www.trickedmedia.com/index-investor.html Thanks for taking a look!

11-25-2004, 10:45 PM	#16
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	for some reason my browser doesnt want to load the shockwave,ill try with opera

11-25-2004, 10:55 PM	#17
Workshop_Willy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 452	I use Mozilla Firebird. You might try that if Opera doesn't work. I'll look into this.

11-26-2004, 11:01 AM	#20
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11-26-2004, 11:29 AM	#23
Workshop_Willy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 452	Well as it says on the investor page, I haven't been concentrating on shooting for the past year. I've done some shooting, but only sporadically and then it has involved travel. I can produce documentation and verification of those numbers to any serious investor. By the way, all rancor aside, I am learning about what questions I should be addressing up front from all of this give and take. If nothing else comes out of this, that has. Thanks. __________________ FREE Retouch - get a gratis from the best there is! Do the Mess-Around... Last edited by Workshop_Willy; 11-26-2004 at 11:32 AM..

11-26-2004, 11:52 AM	#24
Workshop_Willy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 452	Not to bump my post, but I tracked down the portfolio Flash issue which may have affected some of your impressions. In Microshit Internet Exploder, there is an issue with embedding Shockwave out of the box. I changed the source code on the page, and now all of you using MSIE should be able to view the Portfolio Page showing samples of my past work. __________________ FREE Retouch - get a gratis from the best there is! Do the Mess-Around...

11-26-2004, 12:08 PM	#26
Workshop_Willy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 452	Hmmm..... not sure how to take that. The samples include various lighting setups and filter combinations. A few of them take advantage of natural light. If you mean that the model isn't absolutely flooded with lots of light a'la "amateur" model photography, you're right. None of these samples are. However, having shot lots images for ATK, and assuming you prefer to see that, I have samples of those too. Pick your poison Chong ! And thanks for your input! __________________ FREE Retouch - get a gratis from the best there is! Do the Mess-Around...

11-26-2004, 12:31 PM	#27
Rob I'm a great bowler. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Right Outside of Normal. Posts: 13,309	A couple of examples. __________________

11-26-2004, 12:39 PM	#29
Workshop_Willy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 452	Yes, I rather like both of those. The picture on top used all natural light, no flash or fill to give it that warm glow. The morning light in that kitchen is exceptional year-round. The bottom one used a strobe w/umbrella on about %50 power as a soft fill at around 45% camera right. I wanted a shadow over her crotch, but not a full one. I also wanted to catch the sunlight through the picture window to camera left without cancelling it out. __________________ FREE Retouch - get a gratis from the best there is! Do the Mess-Around...

11-26-2004, 12:58 PM	#33
TheMob Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: 2006 Posts: 8,584	oh my god.. this is gonna get dramatic

11-26-2004, 12:59 PM	#34
Workshop_Willy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 452	ROFLMAO __________________ FREE Retouch - get a gratis from the best there is! Do the Mess-Around...

11-26-2004, 01:04 PM	#36
Greg Jacobson Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 812	What is going on in this photo?

11-26-2004, 01:22 PM	#37
Workshop_Willy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 452	Hmmm..... OH, you mean the hyper-intelligently thought out stuff! sure, here ya go. __________________ FREE Retouch - get a gratis from the best there is! Do the Mess-Around...

11-26-2004, 01:52 PM	#42
Workshop_Willy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 452	That's a fair enough statement. Shooting has been sporadic because my focus has been on digital image manipulation and server management for the past year. I believe I explained that in the investors' information page. Quite simply, I haven't been spending my time doing what I love, which is to shoot. I've been spending it fixing server problems and retouching other peoples' pictures (which both are tedious and low-paying activities, by the way). I'm now coming back to what I love. As I mentioned to POV, "Flame" was my business partner last fall just when we were doing well. The partnership ended not over any business trouble or even personal animosity (there were and are none), but because she and her husband decided to move back east where he is from. That simple. __________________ FREE Retouch - get a gratis from the best there is! Do the Mess-Around...

11-26-2004, 02:04 PM	#43
kmanrox aka K-Man Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Gutter Posts: 29,292	where does it say how much you spent on marketing to make those numbers happen? __________________ Crypto HODLr Crypto mining Angel investor

11-26-2004, 02:06 PM	#44
Workshop_Willy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 452	It doesn't, because I didn't. We simply solicited our services to key people whom we knew to buy content. __________________ FREE Retouch - get a gratis from the best there is! Do the Mess-Around...