OC Cash redirects + popups - GoFuckYourself.com

johndoebob · 11-11-2004, 10:49 AM

Damn Jay why are you doing this on revshare and with european users?

Are affiliates getting percents from the sexmoney payouts?

You got CCBill to bill them...

I'm quite disappointed.

Veterans Day · 11-11-2004, 10:50 AM

1_rocco_s · 11-11-2004, 11:00 AM

didn't know that

will have to check that out before promoting 'em

FilthyRob · 11-11-2004, 11:03 AM

I have been promoting them for a long time. This can't be true is it?

Corleone · 11-11-2004, 11:04 AM

Don't see any redirections on my links

johndoebob · 11-11-2004, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FilthyRob
I have been promoting them for a long time. This can't be true is it?

Long time?They started 2 months ago or so.I'm not talking about OX Cash.

Go for example to: http://tour.18interracial.com/ if you're using IE in a non english language.

FilthyRob · 11-11-2004, 11:12 AM

I can't even see an exit console or anything on my links to them.

Have some proof?

FilthyRob · 11-11-2004, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by johndoebob
Long time?They started 2 months ago or so.I'm not talking about OX Cash.

Go for example to: http://tour.18interracial.com/ if you're using IE in a non english language.

They didn't just start 2 months ago, they had beta testers and I was one of them.

Calvinguy · 11-11-2004, 11:19 AM

I get redirected as well...

FilthyRob · 11-11-2004, 11:23 AM

Is it site specific? Country specific?

I would really hate to think that it's a geo redirect and not get a piece of the action with my foreign traffic.

I was commenting on this thread because I am not getting any redirects, but I am in the USA and using IE.

johndoebob · 11-11-2004, 11:34 AM

Browser language based redirect, I'm normally using Firefox and didn't notice anything before, just tested something in IE with german browser language and I get redirected to a sexmoney page + popups.

nige · 11-11-2004, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by johndoebob
Go for example to: http://tour.18interracial.com/ if you're using IE in a non english language.

I'm from Finland, IE is in english and I'm redirected to;
http://www.teenlivecam.com/en/index....loesung=12 80

johndoebob · 11-11-2004, 03:13 PM

Bump for the OC Cash guys.

Blue_Spade · 11-12-2004, 02:30 PM

This was just brought to my attention - I have been out of the office for most of the morning or I would have been on it earlier.

Here is a perfect case of people jumping out on the boards before getting with us.

As of the first of the month we started testing the benefits of sending traffic that was not converting with our processors and sending it to foreign targetted sites ran by Sex Money.

Our initial trials are going to run till the end of our period so we can then crunch the numbers and adjust our business model accordingly. We are not trying to hide the code from you guys - it is right there in the source of all of our pages. What we are trying to do however is maximize the profit of each visitor that clicks on your link code.

You guys want PPS, well this is one of the bridges we cross to get there. We need to know what each member is going to be worth to us so we may offer you guys the highest payouts we can. Any affiliate that has been with us from the start knows that we are not in this business to screw anyone. We are as fair as they come.

Once we finish analyzing the results of this test we will then let you guys know what is going to happen. We will either integrate with Sex Money and offer revshare on each sale generated on the foreign traffic or we will offer increased payouts on our end. This is all to be determined once we have a decent period of stats to look over.

All and all it comes down to this. The traffic we are sending over to Sex Money is not getting processed. We can do two things - ignore it and leave things as they are or try to take it to the next level and monetize this traffic.

For those of you that may have any questions about this please feel free to contact me. I am always available on ICQ, Email and Telephone.

As for Mr. JohnDoeBob . . . have some respect and bring facts next time you try to call us out. I have no problem stepping up to the plate to deal with these issues . . .

johndoebob · 11-12-2004, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Blue_Spade
As for Mr. JohnDoeBob . . . have some respect and bring facts next time you try to call us out. I have no problem stepping up to the plate to deal with these issues . . .

I just want to get informed when you're going to redirect traffic without paying anybody for it.Foreign traffic is usually 40%+ of the traffic.Big paysites have often 50%+ foreign members or why do you think bangbros and nastydollars don't redirect?

I don't want PPS I just want to get my 50% without traffic redirection.

CCBill has for example no problems with billing german users through bank debit or credit card billing, also I don't like Sexmoney, it's chargeback hell etc. .

Blue_Spade · 11-12-2004, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by johndoebob
I just want to get informed when you're going to redirect traffic without paying anybody for it.Foreign traffic is usually 40%+ of the traffic.Big paysites have often 50%+ foreign members or why do you think bangbros and nastydollars don't redirect?

I don't want PPS I just want to get my 50% without traffic redirection.

CCBill has for example no problems with billing german users through bank debit or credit card billing, also I don't like Sexmoney, it's chargeback hell etc. .

I understand where you are coming from - but please understand what we are trying to do. The foreign traffic is not converting, so would you like us to just let it eat up bandwidth and inflate costs or would you rather us figure out the best way to maximize everyones profits.

I will go out on a limb to share numbers from Sex Money so far. We have sent less than 10,000 unique members to Sex Money via the traffic filters. Where do you come up with this 40%-50%? I can say that 10,000 uniques a period is easily under 3% of our total traffic per period.

We are going to do what is best for our program and our affiliates no matter what. We see an opportunity to increase the profits for everyone by routing foreign traffic to places it is going to sell. There are 3 more days left to our test, I will be pulling the scripts off on the 15th and will come back with a profit sharing way for everyone to benefit. Even you Mr. JohnDoeBob!

To easily put it . . . this traffic was never making you money. So technically you have not lost anything. So we took what you didn't have in the first place for this two weeks to figure out a course of action to make you some money with that traffic. Shame on us.

Lemme know if you have any other questions man . . . I am always available.

JC-OCCash · 11-12-2004, 05:56 PM

Sounds good to me Ryan.......I know you guys are honest. Been pushing you from the get go. I'll be curious to see the results of the test. Have a good weekend!

TurboTrucker · 11-12-2004, 06:22 PM

I was getting major popups so I had my account changed to no consoles.

SomeCreep · 11-12-2004, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Blue_Spade
I understand where you are coming from - but please understand what we are trying to do. The foreign traffic is not converting, so would you like us to just let it eat up bandwidth and inflate costs or would you rather us figure out the best way to maximize everyones profits.

I will go out on a limb to share numbers from Sex Money so far. We have sent less than 10,000 unique members to Sex Money via the traffic filters. Where do you come up with this 40%-50%? I can say that 10,000 uniques a period is easily under 3% of our total traffic per period.

We are going to do what is best for our program and our affiliates no matter what. We see an opportunity to increase the profits for everyone by routing foreign traffic to places it is going to sell. There are 3 more days left to our test, I will be pulling the scripts off on the 15th and will come back with a profit sharing way for everyone to benefit. Even you Mr. JohnDoeBob!

To easily put it . . . this traffic was never making you money. So technically you have not lost anything. So we took what you didn't have in the first place for this two weeks to figure out a course of action to make you some money with that traffic. Shame on us.

Lemme know if you have any other questions man . . . I am always available.

So what countries does OC Cash redirect? Every country except for the US?

Tipsy · 11-12-2004, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SomeCreep
So what countries does OC Cash redirect? Every country except for the US?

It seems to work by language. All users using English language in the browser are fine.

sixxxthsense · 11-12-2004, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Blue_Spade
I understand where you are coming from - but please understand what we are trying to do. The foreign traffic is not converting, so would you like us to just let it eat up bandwidth and inflate costs or would you rather us figure out the best way to maximize everyones profits.

OMG!!!!

I cant belive this bullshit excuse!!!!

The foreign traffic is not converting?
Eat up bandwidth?

omg, HELP!!!

How da fuck do you stay in business???

BULLFUCKING SHIT foregin dont conver, ur stealing peoples traffic, u've been busted, now BURN!!!!

SomeCreep · 11-12-2004, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sixxxthsense
OMG!!!!

I cant belive this bullshit excuse!!!!

The foreign traffic is not converting?
Eat up bandwidth?

omg, HELP!!!

How da fuck do you stay in business???

BULLFUCKING SHIT foregin dont conver, ur stealing peoples traffic, u've been busted, now BURN!!!!

Dont hold back, tell it how you feel

Morgan · 11-12-2004, 07:59 PM

Look, you're missing the point. We're beta testing a new profit program for YOU guys... Us taking 2 weeks to test foreign traffic profits that couldnt signup anyhow is not affecting you whatsoever. This is income you couldnt have had.

We are trying to figure out what we can PPS and in order to do this, it requires maximizing the traffic with other avenues. Like Ryan said, we're not hiding anything... It's right there in the source.

You may not be aware that sponsors that PPS, make money in more ways than one with their subscribers. This is how they are able to pay you high flat rates higher than the monthly subscription cost.

There are 3 more days on this 2 week test to figure out a way to make YOU a couple extra bucks. Approximately 10,000 uniques have gone into this process and we've got a pretty good idea on the outcome.

Put it this way... you want to make the most money on your PPS' as possible right? Every avenue we take to make an extra dollar from members we will take... and the more we take the more we make.... and the more we make, ,the more we can give you per signup.

Once again, this was traffic that couldnt signup in the first place. You lost no sales...

Im going out for the night, but if anyone has any questions at all, feel free to email me [email protected] or [email protected]

Veterans Day · 11-12-2004, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ganjasaurus
Look, you're missing the point. We're beta testing a new profit program for YOU guys... Us taking 2 weeks to test foreign traffic profits that couldnt signup anyhow is not affecting you whatsoever. This is income you couldnt have had.

We are trying to figure out what we can PPS and in order to do this, it requires maximizing the traffic with other avenues. Like Ryan said, we're not hiding anything... It's right there in the source.

You may not be aware that sponsors that PPS, make money in more ways than one with their subscribers. This is how they are able to pay you high flat rates higher than the monthly subscription cost.

There are 3 more days on this 2 week test to figure out a way to make YOU a couple extra bucks. Approximately 10,000 uniques have gone into this process and we've got a pretty good idea on the outcome.

Put it this way... you want to make the most money on your PPS' as possible right? Every avenue we take to make an extra dollar from members we will take... and the more we take the more we make.... and the more we make, ,the more we can give you per signup.

Once again, this was traffic that couldnt signup in the first place. You lost no sales...

Im going out for the night, but if anyone has any questions at all, feel free to email me [email protected] or [email protected]

maybe you should of done your testing in this phase they call beta?

Morgan · 11-12-2004, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Veterans Day
maybe you should of done your testing in this phase they call beta?

I really dont have time to argue with anyone man, but think about it ....

... you think once an affiliate program is done with their beta testing, they stop R&D?

If so, you're going to have to reconsider your business plan if you are contemplating ever having an affiliate program.

Certain aspects of business are always in beta stage, its unavoidable if you are looking to expand your buisness.

Off to dinner now, like i said, email us with any comments or questions you may have.

Veterans Day · 11-12-2004, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ganjasaurus
I really dont have time to argue with anyone man, but think about it ....

... you think once an affiliate program is done with their beta testing, they stop R&D?

If so, you're going to have to reconsider your business plan if you are contemplating ever having an affiliate program.

Certain aspects of business are always in beta stage, its unavoidable if you are looking to expand your buisness.

Off to dinner now, like i said, email us with any comments or questions you may have.

is the redirecting one of the aspects thats gonna be in beta always? Did you not get a fuck load of foreign traffic in beta? Doesnt make much sense, but alot of affiliates will accept your reasoning, carry on.

Cash · 11-13-2004, 02:10 AM

I get a popup hell.

emthree · 11-13-2004, 02:29 AM

translation: we're doing it, because we can.
Point is no one was notified.

That's why you guys need to learn how to filter the traffic on YOUR servers first and then point it to a sponsor based on country and lang code. People loose alot of money this way, because the WM will usually only get paid a % or nothing at all for unsupported countries.

Fake Nick · 11-13-2004, 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tipsy
It seems to work by language. All users using English language in the browser are fine.

no its not , its a geo ip redirect , I use IE in english and get redirected to sexsearch.cc by sexmoney.com

I would NEVER promote a site that a/ redirects foreingers without a GOOD reason b/ dont tell you when you signup

Fake Nick · 11-13-2004, 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sixxxthsense
OMG!!!!

I cant belive this bullshit excuse!!!!

The foreign traffic is not converting?
Eat up bandwidth?

omg, HELP!!!

How da fuck do you stay in business???

BULLFUCKING SHIT foregin dont conver, ur stealing peoples traffic, u've been busted, now BURN!!!!

funny part is !! on the one hand he is claiming foreign traffic only makes up like 3% of the total traffic (his words!!!) on the other hand he is trying to make it look like that 3% is eating up his bandwidth !!

doesnt make sense to me , how can 3% of your traffic burn up all your bandwidth ? ? ?

Corleone · 11-13-2004, 02:52 AM

checked it with IE.. getting redirected to a sexmoney site

Slinx · 11-13-2004, 02:53 AM

I saw this reaction coming 2 weeks ago.

xxxjay · 11-15-2004, 02:00 PM

OK Folks, I have been in Manila till now, this thread is about 15 pages back, but I do feel the need to respond to this.

Here are the numbers of what have we ?cheated? out of:

100% of 0$

We were only redirecting traffic from countries that no couldn?t bill by any of our current billers. It was, and still is, our intention to credit our affiliates for the foreign traffic. We needed to test the redirect to see if it even was worth is because after we were done with beta testing, do you know what the most common question from webmasters / potential webmasters was?

When are you guys doing PPS?

Newflash: It ain?t the good old days of having someone join a cookie cutter site and having them stay for 4 months and then paying affiliates out $35. How have bust your balls trying to monetize every visitor if you want to do PPS without losing money. Seeing weather out our foreign traffic was worth anything was a step in that direction.

JohnDoe ? I made my way up in this biz promoting affiliate programs, so I know what it?s like to be a webmaster. We are here for the long-haul and are not the take-the-money-and-run operation you are trying to paint us as. If you feel that we have cheated you out of any sign-ups ? give me a guesstimate of how many you think they are and I will credit your account for them (if you have one). In our two weeks of trying it we did 3 SU from the redirects vs. the 0 we would have gotten without them.

We just made a major breakthrough with NATS that will get us one close to doing PPS, so look for it in the next few weeks.

Until then, the redirect will be turned off till we can do PPS.

johndoebob · 11-15-2004, 02:22 PM

First to say, Blue_Spade's 3% foreign traffic are bullshit, the world doesn't mostly consist out of the USA, also I make good money out of foreign traffic that I'm sending to sites that don't redirect.

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxjay
OK Folks, I have been in Manila till now, this thread is about 15 pages back, but I do feel the need to respond to this.

Here are the numbers of what have we ?cheated? out of:

100% of 0$

We were only redirecting traffic from countries that no couldn?t bill by any of our current billers.

Wrong, european traffic for example is billable without problems through CCBill.

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxjay

JohnDoe ? I made my way up in this biz promoting affiliate programs, so I know what it?s like to be a webmaster. We are here for the long-haul and are not the take-the-money-and-run operation you are trying to paint us as. If you feel that we have cheated you out of any sign-ups ? give me a guesstimate of how many you think they are and I will credit your account for them (if you have one). In our two weeks of trying it we did 3 SU from the redirects vs. the 0 we would have gotten without them.

I know you're here to stay, I like the OC Cash sites etc. I don't have a clue if and how much I've lost and actually I don't care too much about it, I just want to get noticed or be able to read somewhere when a sponsor is going to redirect traffic, understandable isn't it?

I also want to get sponsors to think about redirecting because it seriously isn't the way to go.

The SUs are pure luck in my opinion because you get redirected to totally unrelated pages and I really doubt you'd have gotten 0%

andrej_NDC · 11-15-2004, 02:43 PM

there is too much bullshit in this thread... foreign traffic doesnt convert? WTF?
What does it have to do with PPS? I promote PPS programs and none of them need to do this. PPS means you have to pay the affiliate only if he sends a sale. You dont pay him if he sends non- converting traffic. You have to make money for PPS on rebills and exits. I would rather do tests with your members section than with redirecting and blaming foreign traffic. Bandwitch? Too funny...

Martin · 11-15-2004, 02:54 PM

This is a case of should have been honest and up front with people. When you do something like this it looks like you're hiding something. Anyway I'm going to be contacting one of yo OC guys.

justsexxx · 11-15-2004, 03:01 PM

Here are my personal stats. Divided in 2 diffent months. (so not our program, my own joins as affiliate on a ccbill site)

2 days in June shows

121 joins total

62 United States
15 United Kingdom
9 Germany
8 Australia
5 Canada
3 Switzerland
3 Spain
3 Japan
3 France
2 Netherlands
1 Sweden
1 Norway
1 NONE
1 Mexico
1 Italy
1 France Metropolitan
1 Denmark
1 Czech Republic

Week in October

481 joins total

United-States 283
United-Kingdom 48
Germany 30
Canada 19
Australia 17
Switzerland 13
France 10
Belgium 7
Spain 7
Japan 6
Denmark 5
Netherlands 5
NONE 5
Austria 3
Ireland 3
Sweden 3
Czech-Republic 2
France-Metropolitan 2
Italy 2
Mexico 2
New-Zealand 2
Norway 2
Brazil 1
Finland 1
Greece 1
Luxembourg 1
Singapore 1

andrej_NDC · 11-15-2004, 03:02 PM

I have taken the time to check my traffic stats, both paysite and gallery traffic stats have almost the same results. 60% of traffic is from US. Checked on more than 5 000 000 unique visitors, so it should be accurate. non-US sales are at least 25-30%, for sure more on other paysites.

justsexxx · 11-15-2004, 03:02 PM

BTW I don't have an opinion on what happend. Just showing my perosnal joins divided by country for some discussion.

Andre

andrej_NDC · 11-15-2004, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by justsexxx
Here are my personal stats. Divided in 2 diffent months. (so not our program, my own joins as affiliate on a ccbill site)

2 days in June shows

121 joins total

62 United States
15 United Kingdom
9 Germany
8 Australia
5 Canada
3 Switzerland
3 Spain
3 Japan
3 France
2 Netherlands
1 Sweden
1 Norway
1 NONE
1 Mexico
1 Italy
1 France Metropolitan
1 Denmark
1 Czech Republic

Week in October

481 joins total

United-States 283
United-Kingdom 48
Germany 30
Canada 19
Australia 17
Switzerland 13
France 10
Belgium 7
Spain 7
Japan 6
Denmark 5
Netherlands 5
NONE 5
Austria 3
Ireland 3
Sweden 3
Czech-Republic 2
France-Metropolitan 2
Italy 2
Mexico 2
New-Zealand 2
Norway 2
Brazil 1
Finland 1
Greece 1
Luxembourg 1
Singapore 1

40-50% NON-US sales, nice...

The Other Steve · 11-15-2004, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by justsexxx
Here are my personal stats. Divided in 2 diffent months. (so not our program, my own joins as affiliate on a ccbill site)

2 days in June shows

121 joins total

62 United States
15 United Kingdom
9 Germany
8 Australia
5 Canada
3 Switzerland
3 Spain
3 Japan
3 France
2 Netherlands
1 Sweden
1 Norway
1 NONE
1 Mexico
1 Italy
1 France Metropolitan
1 Denmark
1 Czech Republic

Week in October

481 joins total

United-States 283
United-Kingdom 48
Germany 30
Canada 19
Australia 17
Switzerland 13
France 10
Belgium 7
Spain 7
Japan 6
Denmark 5
Netherlands 5
NONE 5
Austria 3
Ireland 3
Sweden 3
Czech-Republic 2
France-Metropolitan 2
Italy 2
Mexico 2
New-Zealand 2
Norway 2
Brazil 1
Finland 1
Greece 1
Luxembourg 1
Singapore 1

Interesting figures and thanks for sharing them

webmaster x · 11-15-2004, 03:30 PM

some more BUMP for OC Cash guys

xxxjay · 11-15-2004, 10:38 PM

All of the foreign redirects are off those pages now. This thread is so filled with bad information by people that just want to start drama - this is the last time I will even acknowledge it.

To run a PPS model you have to cannibalize every last bit of your traffic or you will lose money paying $25-$35 per join.

Everyone wants PPS, that is what we intend to deliver, and finding a way to capitalize on junk foreign traffic was a link in that chain.

I've been in the business for 6 years and I can tell you for a FACT that if you knew what most PPS programs do get you those $35 dollars checks - GFY would be nothing but threads like this one.

Maybe unfortunately for us, we use a great program like NATS - no shaving, no hidden redirects, and no fudging the numbers - everything is out in the open. We would have to steal the source code and rewrite the program to cheat you.

So, if you feel like Magnum PI ? spend some time looking into the big PPS programs and report all of the shit on GFY. Us trying to do something with foreign traffic that does not make anyone any money is inconsequential.

xxxjay · 11-15-2004, 10:45 PM

All of the foreign redirects are off those pages now. This thread is so filled with bad information by people that just want to start drama - this is the last time I will even acknowledge it.

To run a PPS model you have to cannibalize every last bit of your traffic or you will lose money paying $25-$35 per join.

Everyone wants PPS, that is what we intend to deliver, and finding a way to capitalize on junk foreign traffic was a link in that chain.

I've been in the business for 6 years and I can tell you for a FACT that if you knew what most PPS programs do get you those $35 dollars checks - GFY would be nothing but threads like this one.

Maybe unfortunately for us, we use a great program like NATS - no shaving, no hidden redirects, and no fudging the numbers - everything is out in the open. We would have to steal the source code and rewrite the program to cheat you.

So, if you feel like Magnum PI ? spend some time looking into the big PPS programs and report all of the shit on GFY. Us trying to do something with foreign traffic that does not make anyone any money is inconsequential.

PerfectionGirls · 11-15-2004, 11:00 PM

Nicely said xxxjay!

What is amasing is that program above coming in this thread spamming their sites. Not the first time they have done it either.

andrej_NDC · 11-16-2004, 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
Nicely said xxxjay!

what part exactly was nice?

justsexxx · 11-16-2004, 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
Nicely said xxxjay!

What is amasing is that program above coming in this thread spamming their sites. Not the first time they have done it either.

And who is spamming in this thread? I don't see any spams actually. Maybe I missed it...

and XXXjay is right about the PPS part. Some traffic has to be skimmed away to make PPS profitable. Especially with PPS with trials.

Andre

NickB. · 11-16-2004, 05:30 AM

we are in extremely good contact with occash, and we do lots of great business with them

I dont know who bumped this thread, but jay already answered.
Contact occash if you have problems!

fedfest · 11-16-2004, 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxjay
All of the foreign redirects are off those pages now. This thread is so filled with bad information by people that just want to start drama - this is the last time I will even acknowledge it.

To run a PPS model you have to cannibalize every last bit of your traffic or you will lose money paying $25-$35 per join.

Everyone wants PPS, that is what we intend to deliver, and finding a way to capitalize on junk foreign traffic was a link in that chain.

I've been in the business for 6 years and I can tell you for a FACT that if you knew what most PPS programs do get you those $35 dollars checks - GFY would be nothing but threads like this one.

Maybe unfortunately for us, we use a great program like NATS - no shaving, no hidden redirects, and no fudging the numbers - everything is out in the open. We would have to steal the source code and rewrite the program to cheat you.

So, if you feel like Magnum PI ? spend some time looking into the big PPS programs and report all of the shit on GFY. Us trying to do something with foreign traffic that does not make anyone any money is inconsequential.

The thing is though, Your not doing this on a PPS program but on a 50% revshare program.

It's nice that you want to be a PPS program aswell but maybe you shouldn't do the testing on your rewsharers.. Most people actualy choose rewshare programs to not send their surfers to popups and dialers..

I don't think in any way that your trying to cheat anyone out of anything by this, but still you did put a traffic leak on a rewshare program, thats making you extra cash on your affiliates traffic without them getting their share and Imo. thats the last thing you want on a rewshare program

If you want/need to do tests like that i'd sugest next time you inform your affiliates first, and maybe bump them to 60% in the test period to make up for lost sales.. or simply go out and buy some traffic to do the tests.

Just my

11-11-2004, 10:49 AM	#1
johndoebob Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,405	OC Cash redirects + popups Damn Jay why are you doing this on revshare and with european users? Are affiliates getting percents from the sexmoney payouts? You got CCBill to bill them... I'm quite disappointed. __________________

11-11-2004, 10:50 AM	#2
Veterans Day Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Windy City Posts: 8,403	__________________ Build a Massive Traffic Network, Hands FREE, Totally Automated

11-11-2004, 11:00 AM	#3
1_rocco_s Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 921	didn't know that will have to check that out before promoting 'em __________________ Sex-and-Porn.com ICQ: 520-865 [email protected]

11-11-2004, 11:03 AM	#4
FilthyRob Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Anaheim - CA Posts: 6,741	I have been promoting them for a long time. This can't be true is it? __________________ AKA - Clubsexy

11-11-2004, 11:12 AM	#7
FilthyRob Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Anaheim - CA Posts: 6,741	I can't even see an exit console or anything on my links to them. Have some proof? __________________ AKA - Clubsexy

11-11-2004, 11:04 AM	#5
Corleone C.R.E.A.M Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15,262	Don't see any redirections on my links

11-11-2004, 11:19 AM	#9
Calvinguy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: European Union Posts: 1,752	I get redirected as well...

11-11-2004, 11:23 AM	#10
FilthyRob Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Anaheim - CA Posts: 6,741	Is it site specific? Country specific? I would really hate to think that it's a geo redirect and not get a piece of the action with my foreign traffic. I was commenting on this thread because I am not getting any redirects, but I am in the USA and using IE. __________________ AKA - Clubsexy

11-11-2004, 11:34 AM	#11
johndoebob Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,405	Browser language based redirect, I'm normally using Firefox and didn't notice anything before, just tested something in IE with german browser language and I get redirected to a sexmoney page + popups. __________________

11-11-2004, 03:13 PM	#13
johndoebob Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,405	Bump for the OC Cash guys. __________________

11-12-2004, 02:30 PM	#14
Blue_Spade Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 246	This was just brought to my attention - I have been out of the office for most of the morning or I would have been on it earlier. Here is a perfect case of people jumping out on the boards before getting with us. As of the first of the month we started testing the benefits of sending traffic that was not converting with our processors and sending it to foreign targetted sites ran by Sex Money. Our initial trials are going to run till the end of our period so we can then crunch the numbers and adjust our business model accordingly. We are not trying to hide the code from you guys - it is right there in the source of all of our pages. What we are trying to do however is maximize the profit of each visitor that clicks on your link code. You guys want PPS, well this is one of the bridges we cross to get there. We need to know what each member is going to be worth to us so we may offer you guys the highest payouts we can. Any affiliate that has been with us from the start knows that we are not in this business to screw anyone. We are as fair as they come. Once we finish analyzing the results of this test we will then let you guys know what is going to happen. We will either integrate with Sex Money and offer revshare on each sale generated on the foreign traffic or we will offer increased payouts on our end. This is all to be determined once we have a decent period of stats to look over. All and all it comes down to this. The traffic we are sending over to Sex Money is not getting processed. We can do two things - ignore it and leave things as they are or try to take it to the next level and monetize this traffic. For those of you that may have any questions about this please feel free to contact me. I am always available on ICQ, Email and Telephone. As for Mr. JohnDoeBob . . . have some respect and bring facts next time you try to call us out. I have no problem stepping up to the plate to deal with these issues . . . __________________ Ryan Steel ICQ 316-594-997 Snizzshare \| Crack Dealers Don't Make This Much \| OC Cash \| Jays Trades ++ Originator of 6-bit Shortwave Encryption ++

11-12-2004, 05:56 PM	#17
JC-OCCash Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In a van down by the river Posts: 2,756	Sounds good to me Ryan.......I know you guys are honest. Been pushing you from the get go. I'll be curious to see the results of the test. Have a good weekend!

11-12-2004, 06:22 PM	#18
TurboTrucker Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Phoenix Arizona Posts: 2,363	I was getting major popups so I had my account changed to no consoles. __________________

11-12-2004, 07:59 PM	#23
Morgan Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Corona Del Mar, CA Posts: 10,520	Look, you're missing the point. We're beta testing a new profit program for YOU guys... Us taking 2 weeks to test foreign traffic profits that couldnt signup anyhow is not affecting you whatsoever. This is income you couldnt have had. We are trying to figure out what we can PPS and in order to do this, it requires maximizing the traffic with other avenues. Like Ryan said, we're not hiding anything... It's right there in the source. You may not be aware that sponsors that PPS, make money in more ways than one with their subscribers. This is how they are able to pay you high flat rates higher than the monthly subscription cost. There are 3 more days on this 2 week test to figure out a way to make YOU a couple extra bucks. Approximately 10,000 uniques have gone into this process and we've got a pretty good idea on the outcome. Put it this way... you want to make the most money on your PPS' as possible right? Every avenue we take to make an extra dollar from members we will take... and the more we take the more we make.... and the more we make, ,the more we can give you per signup. Once again, this was traffic that couldnt signup in the first place. You lost no sales... Im going out for the night, but if anyone has any questions at all, feel free to email me [email protected] or [email protected] __________________ PornstarPlatinum.com \| TransErotica.com

11-13-2004, 02:10 AM	#27
Cash Click on my TCG signature Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 20,825	I get a popup hell. __________________ $9.95/month for 15000 GB bandwidth monthly, unlimited (sub)domains and MySQL5, PHP4/5, 500 GB disk storage! ; use any of these invitation codes: 216263692101; 408636009193; 846090586647; my ICQ 30160426!

11-13-2004, 02:29 AM	#28
emthree Dialer Kingpin Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New York Posts: 10,816	translation: we're doing it, because we can. Point is no one was notified. That's why you guys need to learn how to filter the traffic on YOUR servers first and then point it to a sponsor based on country and lang code. People loose alot of money this way, because the WM will usually only get paid a % or nothing at all for unsupported countries. __________________ • Sell Patches & Pills •

11-13-2004, 02:52 AM	#31
Corleone C.R.E.A.M Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15,262	checked it with IE.. getting redirected to a sexmoney site

11-13-2004, 02:53 AM	#32
Slinx Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 823	I saw this reaction coming 2 weeks ago.

11-15-2004, 02:00 PM	#33
xxxjay Tube groupie. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: LoScandalous, CA Posts: 13,482	OK Folks, I have been in Manila till now, this thread is about 15 pages back, but I do feel the need to respond to this. Here are the numbers of what have we ?cheated? out of: 100% of 0$ We were only redirecting traffic from countries that no couldn?t bill by any of our current billers. It was, and still is, our intention to credit our affiliates for the foreign traffic. We needed to test the redirect to see if it even was worth is because after we were done with beta testing, do you know what the most common question from webmasters / potential webmasters was? When are you guys doing PPS? Newflash: It ain?t the good old days of having someone join a cookie cutter site and having them stay for 4 months and then paying affiliates out $35. How have bust your balls trying to monetize every visitor if you want to do PPS without losing money. Seeing weather out our foreign traffic was worth anything was a step in that direction. JohnDoe ? I made my way up in this biz promoting affiliate programs, so I know what it?s like to be a webmaster. We are here for the long-haul and are not the take-the-money-and-run operation you are trying to paint us as. If you feel that we have cheated you out of any sign-ups ? give me a guesstimate of how many you think they are and I will credit your account for them (if you have one). In our two weeks of trying it we did 3 SU from the redirects vs. the 0 we would have gotten without them. We just made a major breakthrough with NATS that will get us one close to doing PPS, so look for it in the next few weeks. Until then, the redirect will be turned off till we can do PPS. __________________ http://donttellmehowtoruinmylife.com/ - http://www.jmdigitalmarketing.com/my...s-and-reviews/ - http://www.wouldyouhitit.org - http://shinyobjectreviews.com/

11-15-2004, 02:43 PM	#35
andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	there is too much bullshit in this thread... foreign traffic doesnt convert? WTF? What does it have to do with PPS? I promote PPS programs and none of them need to do this. PPS means you have to pay the affiliate only if he sends a sale. You dont pay him if he sends non- converting traffic. You have to make money for PPS on rebills and exits. I would rather do tests with your members section than with redirecting and blaming foreign traffic. Bandwitch? Too funny...

11-15-2004, 02:54 PM	#36
Martin "Assassins" Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: At home Posts: 17,277	This is a case of should have been honest and up front with people. When you do something like this it looks like you're hiding something. Anyway I'm going to be contacting one of yo OC guys. __________________

11-15-2004, 03:01 PM	#37
justsexxx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 13,723	Here are my personal stats. Divided in 2 diffent months. (so not our program, my own joins as affiliate on a ccbill site) 2 days in June shows 121 joins total 62 United States 15 United Kingdom 9 Germany 8 Australia 5 Canada 3 Switzerland 3 Spain 3 Japan 3 France 2 Netherlands 1 Sweden 1 Norway 1 NONE 1 Mexico 1 Italy 1 France Metropolitan 1 Denmark 1 Czech Republic Week in October 481 joins total United-States 283 United-Kingdom 48 Germany 30 Canada 19 Australia 17 Switzerland 13 France 10 Belgium 7 Spain 7 Japan 6 Denmark 5 Netherlands 5 NONE 5 Austria 3 Ireland 3 Sweden 3 Czech-Republic 2 France-Metropolitan 2 Italy 2 Mexico 2 New-Zealand 2 Norway 2 Brazil 1 Finland 1 Greece 1 Luxembourg 1 Singapore 1 __________________ Questions? ICQ: 125184542

11-15-2004, 03:02 PM	#38
andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	I have taken the time to check my traffic stats, both paysite and gallery traffic stats have almost the same results. 60% of traffic is from US. Checked on more than 5 000 000 unique visitors, so it should be accurate. non-US sales are at least 25-30%, for sure more on other paysites.

11-15-2004, 03:30 PM	#42
webmaster x Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,400	some more BUMP for OC Cash guys __________________ Click 9500 FHG Text Descriptions--Only $89!

11-15-2004, 10:38 PM	#43
xxxjay Tube groupie. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: LoScandalous, CA Posts: 13,482	All of the foreign redirects are off those pages now. This thread is so filled with bad information by people that just want to start drama - this is the last time I will even acknowledge it. To run a PPS model you have to cannibalize every last bit of your traffic or you will lose money paying $25-$35 per join. Everyone wants PPS, that is what we intend to deliver, and finding a way to capitalize on junk foreign traffic was a link in that chain. I've been in the business for 6 years and I can tell you for a FACT that if you knew what most PPS programs do get you those $35 dollars checks - GFY would be nothing but threads like this one. Maybe unfortunately for us, we use a great program like NATS - no shaving, no hidden redirects, and no fudging the numbers - everything is out in the open. We would have to steal the source code and rewrite the program to cheat you. So, if you feel like Magnum PI ? spend some time looking into the big PPS programs and report all of the shit on GFY. Us trying to do something with foreign traffic that does not make anyone any money is inconsequential. __________________ http://donttellmehowtoruinmylife.com/ - http://www.jmdigitalmarketing.com/my...s-and-reviews/ - http://www.wouldyouhitit.org - http://shinyobjectreviews.com/

11-15-2004, 10:45 PM	#44
xxxjay Tube groupie. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: LoScandalous, CA Posts: 13,482	All of the foreign redirects are off those pages now. This thread is so filled with bad information by people that just want to start drama - this is the last time I will even acknowledge it. To run a PPS model you have to cannibalize every last bit of your traffic or you will lose money paying $25-$35 per join. Everyone wants PPS, that is what we intend to deliver, and finding a way to capitalize on junk foreign traffic was a link in that chain. I've been in the business for 6 years and I can tell you for a FACT that if you knew what most PPS programs do get you those $35 dollars checks - GFY would be nothing but threads like this one. Maybe unfortunately for us, we use a great program like NATS - no shaving, no hidden redirects, and no fudging the numbers - everything is out in the open. We would have to steal the source code and rewrite the program to cheat you. So, if you feel like Magnum PI ? spend some time looking into the big PPS programs and report all of the shit on GFY. Us trying to do something with foreign traffic that does not make anyone any money is inconsequential. __________________ http://donttellmehowtoruinmylife.com/ - http://www.jmdigitalmarketing.com/my...s-and-reviews/ - http://www.wouldyouhitit.org - http://shinyobjectreviews.com/

11-15-2004, 11:00 PM	#45
PerfectionGirls Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MI Posts: 4,484	Nicely said xxxjay! What is amasing is that program above coming in this thread spamming their sites. Not the first time they have done it either. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Last edited by PerfectionGirls; 11-15-2004 at 11:02 PM..

11-16-2004, 05:30 AM	#48
NickB. Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,855	we are in extremely good contact with occash, and we do lots of great business with them I dont know who bumped this thread, but jay already answered. Contact occash if you have problems!