Westin

OK...

Today I think I have lost it!

Soooo many of these "http://equis.ya.com/..." galleries are getting listed everywhere...
I mean, is it just me or do they NEVER load??

Despite the fact that it might be just me, it shouldn't matter! Sooooo many webmasters are using this and terra.es, and it is KILLING the biz!!!!

I think it's time to take a stand against these hosts... Why don't TGP's just stop listing them... I mean really, what does it matter to the TGP owner if they list all paidhosted and legit freehosted galleries (you know what I mean... ones with headers on them) instead of sites from these sites?

We are already giving WAY too much free shit away everyday... but think of it this way. There is NO WAY we can stop gallery posters from using all explicitly hardcore pics, thus causing no need to sign-up for more, cuz they've already 'done their bizness' if you catch my drift. But this... this we can put a stop to almost overnight, or at least minimize it. Just start blacklisting it. Honestly, what difference does it make to the TGP owners?

Also, not to pick on TheHun, but don't you always blacklist people if what they do might hurt the biz in the future?? I.E. aggressive advertising with pop-ups and other stuff that will make people stop clicking on banners. What?? You don't think Terra and equis.ya.com is stopping people from clicking on banners?? There getting to comfortable with seeing 15-25 pics with 2 lousy links out to a sponsor. Which, sadly, is what some TGP's are asking for outright.

Sorry to pick out TheHun for 100's but if you started to blacklist them, other will follow...


Whefff... that was quite the Rant...
(My name is Joe, and I AM CANADIAN ) LOL

Lord Assmore

I'm so with you man. It's very aggreviating, to say the least, when your adult free hosted gallery is turned down (I post to TGP's from my Smutserver webspace), while your competitior with a Terra.es account gets listed readily. It's like your being punished for being honest and staying within the rules.

Techie Media

You can't believe how much I agree with you. I am going to pay for the party the day that these sites all come down and every gallery made on them is redirected. All the sites that are listing them are as guilty. They are doing it because it gives them such clean galleries to post, with less ads for their surfers to click.. "Obviously" Man I could go on about this for hours but I think I'll just chill out here... Good topic Westin...

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Westin I agree!
I started out with equis.ya.com and I switched soon afterward to pay hosting for galleries. We really need to find a way to get rid of these Spanish free hosts! Maybe if we all email their head webmasters and tell them what's up and how they're losing so much money....

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TSB

Hi guys!

I was just reading ya.com's TOS and I'm shock!!! I didn't find any restrictions toward porn or adult sites.

Further more, when you select the site's category, there's a adult category (equis). I might be wrong but I think it's legit to host smut in the category EQUIS.ya.com

As for tera.es, no doubt that it's illegal to host porn galleries over there.

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HERE'S the TOS regarding the content allowed on espacio.ya.com

¿Qué contenidos pueden tener mis páginas?

En Espacio.ya.com se pude incluir cualquier tipo de contenido, aunque tenemos una serie de restricciones. Se prohibe:

1. El uso de material con derechos de autor sin el permiso expreso del autor o propietario.

2. Las páginas que explotan imágenes de menores de 18 años de edad.

3. Todo material que resulte ofensivo para la comunidad Espacio.ya.com, incluyendo expresiones de fanatismo, racismo, odio y violencia.

4. Las páginas que promuevan actividades ilegales de cualquier tipo.

5. Material que difama, insulta o amenaza a terceras personas.

6. Las páginas que contienen material que pueda dañar la imagen de Espacio.ya.com.

7. El uso del espacio con el único fin de almacenar imágenes o archivos de cualquier tipo para carga o descarga remota, porque de esta forma se monopoliza gran parte del ancho de banda de Espacio.ya.com, lo que perjudica a todos los miembros.

En cualquier caso, y por si existiera alguna duda, a continuación tienes los términos y condiciones de uso del servicio que rigen el correcto uso de Espacio.ya.com:

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Westin

I'm glad I got such a positive responce, but I'm pretty sure that all honest webmasters can fully agree with me. and much like you lightning it's costing use HUGE amounts of traffic & money & years of life (from the contstant drinking ) I too had to stop the rant becore I typed a best selling novel...

But, since (i would assume) many of use want to rid of this major problem. where do we start? I mean we have the place where we can meet and talk about ways to get rid of it right here... so why not...

I'm interested in hearing what other have to say as well

Westin

pr0view

what's wrong with using equis.ya.com if their T&C allow porn? terra.es forbids uploading porn for commercial purposes but the other one... i mean, if you stick to their rules, you don't cheat and, therefore, you can't be banned... i agree that it kills the freehosts but this is a competitive business, after all... not communism

also, pls stop yelling that the free stuff kills the porn... this ain;t true... do you think that there would be millions of people visiting adult sites if there were only paysites? gimme a break... there ain;t such thing as "bad traffic"... there are people who can;t convert it...

and one final thing - do you REALLY think that those spanish freehosts lose money? and you should "mail them and let them know"? you think that they don't know??? this is pathetic...

Westin

PrOview - whoever you are.
"i agree that it kills the freehosts but this is a competitive business, after all... not communism"

Competitive... how the hell it is competitive if they arn't putting any banners or links??? It's not competion... it's just damnright unfair and very unethical (not unethical for terra.es itself, cuz it's not them, but the webmasters taking unfair advantage of them)

oh, and dude... If I didn't know how to convert TGP traffic, do you think I would have started this thread in the first place?? Use your head!!

Westin

TSB

Since when porn became ethical?

Warphead

A little off-topic but anyone seen Pimpservers 404 page? It says that internet porn is a 900 billion dollar industry (which is pretty impressive since that means we're spending more on porn than food or shelter)

Also says that 50% of paysites are scams, not to sign up for them unless they have a free trial (then they list a few that do). Seems to me that using lies like this are an awfully good reason not to list galleries on pimpserver. I mean pimpserver is actively telling surfers not to click my banners, or the Huns banners, or your banners. Not nice.

Westin

I didn't realize they where saying that, and I use pimpserver... well shit

but, I can only assume that's why pimpserver is blacklisted on TheHun.

Westin

Hypo

ya.com supports adult sites. Why are you against those galleries then? The only reason I can see is that it takes more effort to upload galleries there and get new space every time you fill up one account. So you're being lazy and complaining instead of getting space there.

TSB

Yeah Wastin... you can always use equis.ya.com

We won't tell a soul... LOL

Steve

I do not list galleries hosted on terra.es, equis.ya.com, hem.spray.de, or the likes because I do not have 20 minutes to kill waiting for the fucking things to load. That is reason enough right there for me, regardless of the pros/cons of anyone using an ISP webhost for their adult biz.
On a side note, Lightning Free seems to be faster than ever, and he has always been able to find the balance between his headers/fotters and his 404 traffic. I do not have to reboot after a LF 404. I wish I could say the same about more hosts. I know they make $$ from their 404 traffic, but when I lose time because their consoles just locked up my pc, I get pissed. My time is money, too.

ElvisManson

Warp Head

They got that from http://www.free-xxx-passes.com/passA.htm

Among other places.

It is a variation on an ad that CE has been using for quite a while.



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Westin

Steve... that's exactly what I'm talking about equis.ya.com for... it takes forever for them to load the pictures (if it ever does) and it pisses everyone off. Which brings me back to my main topic... why use them?

Ok... yes, In equis.ya.com TOS, it doesn't say you can't do porn, but your hurting the industry when you do cuz of many factors.
1) the pics don't load
2) no header/footer banners which is a 'kick in the face' to all paidhosting webmasters and to TGP owners who have to look at all this shit when reviewing...
3) you shooting yourself in the foot by useing them. God people open your eyes!!
open them nice and wide

and terra, same reasons as above plus it's against their TOS.

it seems there are too many webmasters around just trying to make a fast buck around these days. Too bad really

Bake

Allot more of these today. http://www.terra.es/personal6/hardco.../06series.html
It looks like there starting to close more adult accounts

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Warphead

Here's the page I was talking about:
http://www.freefuckingpasses.com/paysitesfree

I'm not saying it's horrible or anything, but what they're calling "facts" are ridiculous - and they're basically telling surfers that most paysites are crooks, which doesn't seem very professional or good for business.

[This message has been edited by Warphead (edited 06-06-2001).]

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CDSmith

This may not make a diff in the grand scheme of things, but for what it's worth... I blacklisted the terra.es domain last week. No more soup for them on BGN!

I simply got tired of waiting for their shit-slow server to load day after day, or the fact that so many many galleries get changed after I list them, a lot from terra.es. I'm done with them, period.
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I wonder how many people here who are so opposed to freebie porn (which is, after all, legal) have collections of pirated MP3's? If the porn business should be "competitive," why shouldn't the music business be so, too?

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Westin

Atta boy CD... Somehow I knew you'd be one of the first to blacklist the whole damn thing I hope more will follow your example...

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Westin

HAHAHA... just had a funny thought.

Can you imagine TGP's, gallery makers and free sites being taken to supreme court to stop them, like they did with napster.

LOL I need sleep

Westin

Hypo

If ya.com and terra load slow, you should be happy and want more of them. That would be one reason TGP visitors might want to join paysites, for the faster access. You give them fast serving pages with beautiful thumbnails and expect them to join too? I dont see what you guys are complaining about. If the galleries are slow, its good for the business.

Westin

Hypo... put your Crack pipe for 1 second and listen ...

Slow loading galleries help the bizness?? more like it pisses off both surfers and TGP webmasters.

Think about it. if I'm surfing for free porn and TGP-A has all terra.es and ya.com galleries, I get nothing but slow loading porn and get pissed off. so I go else where. Now if TGP-B has all fast- loading paid for hosting (or even quality freehosts) listed ... i'm a happy little surfer... meaning i'll bookmark that site, and never go back to terra.es/ya.com infested TGP EVER again.

How does that help bizness?

Westin

Warphead

Westin, I think you're missing Hypno's point.

You're saying we're giving too much free shit away, then you're saying that we should use quality free and payhosting to give away the free shit faster. He's saying if it loads slow, good - the fuckers will pay if they want it to load fast.

You gotta pick a side and stick, man.

Wizzo

"Can you imagine TGP's, gallery makers and free sites being taken to supreme court to stop them, like they did with napster"

"if I'm surfing for free porn and TGP-A has all terra.es and ya.com galleries, I get nothing but slow loading porn and get pissed off. so I go else where. Now if TGP-B has all fast- loading paid for hosting (or even quality freehosts) listed ... i'm a happy little surfer... meaning i'll bookmark that site, and never go back to terra.es/ya.com infested TGP EVER again"

WTF? If you have TGP and don't like it, don't list em!

Plus, I agree w/Hypo about the shittier free stuff is the better off you have of making a sale and quality paysite.

CDSmith

The real fact is, both westin and hypo have valid points.

Hypno's point only works if everyone (all TGPs) comply and list crap.......unlikely.

Westin's point applies now, because Most tgp's want quality rather than quantity.

Many tgp owners actually state in their submission rules "no galleries on shit-slow servers"

So...both of you are correct. ((but only one is right ))

Good business IS the bottom line here folks, and no tgp owner is going to torture his surfers with slow-loading servers (like terra.es). Typically, a lot of chintzy cheese-eating chicken-walkin cheaters seem to be using hosts like terra.es anyhow, at least from my perspective. But I only get 60-100 new galleries submitted to me daily, so maybe some bigger tgp-ers that get 500 a day can comment here. However, if my tgp is any indication, then I'll pass on these types of freehosts.

So, what am I doing for the cause? I'll tell you...my rules regarding advertising vs pics is much more relaxed at my tgp. I also allow some lower-quality pics to be approved too, if they depict a hot model or action sequence or something redeeming. I think that the idea shouldn't be to torture the surfers into joining a pay site,....the plan should be to 'show' the surfer what he will get if he does join. That means giving the surfers a good tease but nothing more. All other tactics usually fall under the term "underhanded" as far as I can see.

It's ridiculous to think that slow-loading pages will serve to help anyone, as surfers usually don't wait too long for a page to open, ESPECIALLY on a tgp, as they know that the next gallery is only a click away.
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Westin

My point exaclty CD and Clovis

if I had my pick between a fast loading, high quality clean looking gallery, over a shitty low one... i'd take the fast one... WHY? cuz you'd get listed alot more = more traffic = more clickthru = more signups = more money... and that's the real reason why where here, isn't it

Also, from the TGP owners prospective... I believe that they would want to have Quality over Quantity anyday... less bandwitdh and more sales. it's a no-brainer.

Like CD I too would like to see some of the big TGP'ers comment on just how many of these galleries they are getting submitted daily. if how many of them get listed is any indication, then WOW!! that must be a fucking ton of them...

Westin

Stamm321

Ok, Enough lurking on this board. - Finally registered so i can spend my .02

IMO - The biggest problem with all of this, isnt neccesarily the free hosts.
Its the amount of hardcore, free pics out there. Ask yourself this, would you pay 40 bucks for a paysite, if you knew that you could go to "the hun" and see all the graphic high quality pics you want?
(no offense hun) the hardcore is killing everyone in this industry, from the lowly newbie, like myself, to the largest paysite.
yes, people are still making money, for some, times couldnt be better. but even the dinosaurs of this industry admit that they have to work harder to convert the same amount of traffic than just two years ago!
its just like that old saying mothers tell their daughters - why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free.
simple, basic, business 101
you dont give out your product for free, then, try to convince someone to buy it!
The Hun, AL4A, PK, Tommy's - should all ban together and stop accepting hardcore posts.
they wont, because they are too afraid of the next guy accepting it, but, if all the majors did this, it would bring change into the industry AND people would make more money.
Short of legislation from governor bush, and that extremist ash*****, this business will continue to get tougher and tougher. unless the paysites can start offering something free sites cant.

ok, im done ranting.


[This message has been edited by Lensman (edited 08-21-2001).]

Westin

Welcome to GFY Stamm321...
I agree with you 100% but it'll never happen! even if all the big TGP's got together and did this, the smaller guys would take over (eventually) cuz even the bookmark traffic all the big boys have build up over the years would turn somewhere else on a dime!

Good point about the sorftcore selling more thou... and it's very true... I'm very picky about what goes into my galleries, makeing sure it's not too hardcore and will leave them wanting more... but I don't get listed near as often as others do with their "hardcore, show all" galleries... and then some of those hardcore galleries are on terra ... that's what REALLY pisses me off. they are giving WAY too much away for free, and on a bullshit freehost, and getting listed over meand all the honest webmasters ... ...


Westin

CDSmith

Bah! Enough about what's ruining the industry already! Each webmaster has to go with what works for him or her,
AND....
I don't care how stupid a webmaster is, there is no way anyone can put 110,000 super-high-res professional hardcore pics, 60,000 live video feeds and 70,000 .mpg's on there FREE site. If any surfers anywhere in the world want that kind of quality in their porn then they abso-fucking-lutely MUST join a paysite (like Kara's, ampie, ampages, or any # of other big sites). How many free sites are offering a houseful of babes with a live webcam in each room?? I don't know of a single site giving that away.

SO... surfers will always always always have to pay to get the big quality porn, no ifs ands or butts about it. The only thing that really ruins it for this entire industry in general are people that cheat and treat the surfers and their fellow webmasters like shit, as far as I'm concerned.

Oh, and welcome to the board, heh heh
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Westin

CD -
What about the fact that Joe-Blow surfer can go to any TGP see lots of hardcore stuff and whack off and be done until the next day...

what do they need "110,000 super-high-res professional hardcore pics, 60,000 live video feeds and 70,000 .mpg's" for???

unless, of course, they are superman

Westin

Stamm321

You Said It before I could Westin!
I can go to the Hun and have 100,000 images, tons of vid clips ( granted they are low quality) and jack off until next month!

And btw you can find live rooms for free
Pornification does a live feed for free sites.
the root cancer in this industry is the free hardcore. as long as people keep posting it, and they will, the profits will continue to drop.
you can say goodbye to the 35+ dollar trial signups soon, the paysites arent even making money like they used to because of this problem. Ill bet that within the next year or so, you will see more and more sponsors switching to a rev share program.
yes, cheaters suck, and they are a fucking disease also, but the main cancer is the fact that people are giving away pink for free! no way around that fact!
between all the pink, and the free hosts, it just keeps getting uglier and uglier out there!

Rose

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Steve

Have you joined any of your sponsor's paysites lately? I have, and most of them suck goat balls. Ever wonder why a partnership gets mad trials, but re-bills are poor? Join, and see. I did. Fucking horrible. "Coming in (2 months ago)" Last Updated (45 days ago)". And people wonder why sites make less money these days.

Westin

Exactly Steve...

I used a recurring program once... worst time of my life... NEVER AGAIN. BUT (and a big fat but here) that's probally cuz all the sign-ups were from TGP traffic.

Now I'm using a sponsor that pays $40 a trail/sign-up and NEVER been happier
<-- see that's happy LOL

Westin

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CDSmith

I dunno guys.... I see a shitload of these tgp galleries every day, and although many are pretty nicely designed, some of the pics of very high quality (most not), and most movies only 15 or 20 seconds of low quality.... IF I were the type to want real quality (and I am) I'd be very much inclined to join a few pay sites and see what all the fuss is about, rather than waste my time on free shit porn. Free galleries, from the perspective of the newbie surfer, are really fun in the beginning, but after looking at a few thousand galleries of the same chicks, models and scenes over and over and over, some surfers WILL get bored, and if they want to see the better stuff they'll choose a paysite and take the next step.

Granted, some paysites are crap, but many of them are mega-sites loaded with enough high-quality porn to last anyone many many months of good wee-wee-whackin. It's our job to choose to affiliate with the better paysites and sell to those poor bored newbies that NEED and WANT the good shit. It's our DUTY! And hey, these types of free galleries have been easy to find for YEARS now, so why why why are we complaining about it now? There is no way that anyone is going to stop it, too many players in the game now.

I thought the focus of this thread was about terra.es and the problems arising from it's misuse. What about the tgp's like the hun that accept terra.es galleries?? (but not any other non-adult freehosts)

Speak!!

Oh wow! By the way, I submitted this gallery late this afternoon: http://www4.smutserver.com/babes/bgn.../h2/h2_rr.html and I just got an email from RR a few seconds ago saying it was listed....already! Damn, they must be really on top of things this week. Weeeee!!
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Westin

I am still waiting for some big TGP webmasters to explain to me why, or why not they accept terra.es/ya.com galleries.

I would love to hear what Hun has to say about it... it was one of the reasons I started this thread... I'd like to hear from other TGP owners as well... Perhaps we can do something about this Terra.es/ya.com crap.

BTW, their has been some valid pionts brought up on this thread

Westin

ldinternet

Westin you should email The Hun. He is very good on the ol' email...

Be careful though he'll talk your ears off.

justined

The reason why seems an obvious one, they offer clean dose of porn, minimum outlinks and the tamest 404's you'll ever see, a tgp's dream.
why not - because every feels differently, it called the human factor, it's nither right nor wrong, you put on your site or link to what you feel fit and exclude anything not to your taste.

life will go on, and on, and on....

J

Westin

ldinternet - e-mailed him about it...

Justin - it may seem like a TGP owners dream, but what about the whole giving away too much for free problem... I mean at least on a paidhoat, or legit freehost, some money is kept within the industry... but with terra.es, people will become used to free shit to whack it too. And, how you can you say that this is a TGP's dream?? a surfer that comes, clicks a few galleries, and 'does his bizness' ... Seems to be doing nothing but burning everyone's bandwidth (both gallery poster, and TGP owner) I wouldn't want to own a TGP that had only surfers that know they only have to click on a few galleries to 'get off' ... nobody makes any money...

Westin

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The Hun

Westing, free content doesn't hurt the business. Agressive advertising does. 20-25 pictures with two banners was exactly what things were like 5 years ago, and I heard NOBODY complain about low convertions at those days...

The Hun

Also, on the competitive thing, I don't think terra.es or the other don't know what's going on. And they make money. Not directly on banners, but on the non-adult market a thing like "stock holder's value" is worth a lot of money. Look how much traffic they're doing. How much more traffic they're doing then their competition. Terra.es isn't ruining any market. People are so afraid of "free" stuff. If people wouldn't buy when they can get it for free then how come I'm sending out 70000 bannerclicks a day and I'm getting repeated advertisers as a majority? They don't pay me for a banner that's not converting, trust me...

The Hun

Sorry for sending so many replies, but I really see some false statements made here. Westin, you write: "a surfer that comes, clicks a few galleries, and 'does his bizness' ... Seems to be doing nothing but burning everyone's bandwidth (both gallery poster, and TGP owner) "

I have over 1 million of these people on my site every single day. People that get tons of free stuff (80 links, 20 pics on average, that's 1600 pics per day, over half a million free pictures per year for free), including every topic imaginable (part from the unethic ones), then where the hell does this money come from I'm making?

Facts people, that's what counts. How did pay-sites make money? Previews. And play search-engines. Then link-sites came, I linked to preview-area's of paysites in the early days. They loved it. I loved it. My visitors loved it. Then affiliate programs came. Paysites loved it. They gave banners to people who built galleries that got people (by giving it away for free) and they got their signups. It has never been different since day one. The ONLY thing that changed is that people nowadays are whacked and slammed back and forth between consoled, dialers and entrapping blind links that they want to keep away from clicking on any banners. I talk to a lot of people, not only webmasters, and these are the things they tell me!

Fighting people 'cause their product is cheaper than yours isn't very smart... They make money, otherwise they wouldn't be able to operate at all. And if they're loosing money I'm pretty sure the "problem" will solve itself pretty soon 'cause they'll simply go out of business. Are free hosts a problem for companies that want to make money off paying customers? I'm pretty sure ligntning would be pretty pissed off if there were attempts from the paid hosts to shut him down just because he's cheaper...

Westin

Thanks for replying Hun

Well... perhaps i'm wrong in saying that too much free porn is hurting sales... but I hear lots of talk about "the good 'ol days" and how sales have dropped. I've only been TGPing for about 3 years now... so maybe I don't understand how it used to be ???

All I know is that I'm doing pretty well as a gallery maker/poster, but I seems that the only way to get listed in a decent spot is to pay for it (or make a deal with the TGP owner... great for them, bad for us!!) I wasn't here for the "good 'ol days" but I was here when you count on a few freebie top spots by chance... Nowadays... it seems that all the terra.es/etc. are getting listed alot more ;(

Westin

Doctor Dre

Lightning less webmasters would be using terra if you were not redirecting 4 % of the traffic ... webmasters don't trust freehost anymore