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Face (o_0) · 08-23-2004, 05:43 AM

maybe you should have a look at this, pretty interesting read :

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

kinda shows how full of shit the guy really is

im not a michael moore hater, but i do know hes very good at misleading, ive seen both of his movies.

I watched them only for entertainment and im sure there is some truth to a couple of things he says but theres also ALOT of bs (editing to get false impressions)

anyways reading the stuff in the link makes me wonder about some of the stuff in fahrenheit 911

as bdjuf would say : disguss

DaLord · 08-23-2004, 05:48 AM

If it's on the internet then it's true

Face (o_0) · 08-23-2004, 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DaLord
If it's on the internet then it's true

if its on my tv then its true

the guy has links to every fact he states to prove it

and it doesnt have to be true...i just said its an interesting read

MickeyG · 08-23-2004, 05:54 AM

this article is years old. Wtf are you posting it now?

Also these so called "facts" are just more spin..

Face (o_0) · 08-23-2004, 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MickeyG
this article is years old. Wtf are you posting it now?

Also these so called "facts" are just more spin..

i just found it

NoCarrier · 08-23-2004, 06:28 AM

We've discussed about it ad nauseam years ago.. Zzzzz..

Floridiot · 08-23-2004, 06:31 AM

he's a fuckin wack job

Mr. Mike · 08-23-2004, 06:55 AM

Anyone remotely related to the Media or even simply just deals with them, is misleading. Moore is no exception, the difference is he chooses to make a movie out of his content, instead of airing it on radio, or news channels.

The fact is, it all comes down to you, and what you want to believe. I think that if Moore's film got a few people to go out and vote, then job well done.

Face (o_0) · 08-23-2004, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr. Mike
Anyone remotely related to the Media or even simply just deals with them, is misleading. Moore is no exception, the difference is he chooses to make a movie out of his content, instead of airing it on radio, or news channels.

The fact is, it all comes down to you, and what you want to believe. I think that if Moore's film got a few people to go out and vote, then job well done.

thats kind of far fetched... now all news is misleading lol

mardigras · 08-23-2004, 08:23 AM

I like how michael Moore edited it to make it look like the president sat in a classroom with a stupid look on his face for 7 minutes after being informed the country was under attack.

I also like the way he edited it to make the president say a bunch of "haves and have mores" were his "base".

Damn, that Michael Moore is a fabulous editor

EscortBiz · 08-23-2004, 08:30 AM

here is what matters

his movies are seen by 50 million people plus

this website will be seen by a few people

hova · 08-23-2004, 08:33 AM

I hate that fucker

Manowar · 08-23-2004, 08:52 AM

Some of the stuff he says is true, but hes just as bad as the people he makes documentaries about as time.

Lies, Careful editing and all that shit

jacked · 08-23-2004, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Face (o_0)
if its on my tv then its true

if its on FoX NewS then it's true

tony286 · 08-23-2004, 10:02 AM

First off Michael Moore slants information his way and everyone crys outragious but right wing pundits out and out lie for 30 hrs a week and thats fine . I am confused . Also Michael Moore has never been sued if he lied about some company they would sue him. ?Every thing is checked and double checked because no movie studio wants to be sued.

genomega · 08-23-2004, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tony404
First off Michael Moore slants information his way and everyone crys outragious but right wing pundits out and out lie for 30 hrs a week and thats fine . I am confused . Also Michael Moore has never been sued if he lied about some company they would sue him. ?Every thing is checked and double checked because no movie studio wants to be sued.

He is being sued.

genomega · 08-23-2004, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jacked
if its on FoX NewS then it's true

A lot closer to the truth than Dan, Peter or Tom and cnn is a joke.

Basic_man · 08-23-2004, 10:15 AM

Fuckin' surfer

Mojiteaux · 08-23-2004, 10:34 AM

Why not use this:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom/...ndex.php?id=16

THE FOLLOWING IS THE LINE BY LINE FACTUAL BACKUP FOR 'FAHRENHEIT 9/11'

Section One covers the facts in Fahrenheit 9/11 from the 2000 election to George W. Bush's extended visit to Booker Elementary on the morning of September 11th.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Fox was the first network to call Florida for Bush. Before that, some other networks had called Florida for Gore, and they changed after Fox called it for Bush.

?With information provided from the Voter News Service, NBC was the first network to project Gore the winner in Florida at 7:48 pm. At 7:50 pm ,CNN and CBS project Gore the winner in Florida as well.? By 8:02 pm , all five networks and the Associated Press had called Gore the winner in Florida. Even the VNS called Gore the winner at 7:52 pm. At 2:16 am, Fox calls Florida for Bush, NBC follows at 2:16 am. ABC is the last network to call the Florida for Bush, at 2:20 am, while AP and VNS never call Florida for Bush. CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/stories/02/02/
cnn.report/cnn.pdf
Ten minutes after the top of the hour, network excitement was again beginning to build. At 2:16 a.m., the call was made: Fox News Channel, with Bush's first cousin John Ellis running its election desk, was the first to project Florida -- and the presidency -- for the Texas governor. Within minutes, the other networks followed suit. "George Bush, Governor of Texas will become the 43rd President of the United States," CNN's Bernard Shaw announced atop a graphic montage of a smiling Bush. "At 18 minutes past two o'clock Eastern time, CNN declares that George Walker Bush has won Florida's 25 electoral votes and this should put him over the top."PBS: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/media/election2000/
election_night.html
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: The man who was in charge of the decision desk at FOX on election night was Bush?s first cousin, John Ellis.

?John Ellis, a first cousin of George W. Bush, ran the network's ?decision desk? during the 2000 election, and Fox was the first to name Bush the winner. Earlier, Ellis had made six phone calls to Cousin Bush during the vote-counting.? William O?Rourke, ?Talk Radio Key to GOP Victory,? Chicago Sun-Times, December 3, 2002.
A Fox News consultant, John Ellis, who made judgments about presidential ?calls? on Election Night admits he was in touch with George W. Bush and FL Gov. Jeb Bush by telephone several times during the night, but denies breaking any rules. CNN, November 14, 2000; http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/
11/14/politics/main249357.shtml.
John Ellis, the Fox consultant who called Florida early for George Bush, had to stop writing about the campaign for the Boston Globe because of family ?loyalty? to Bush. CBS News, http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/
11/14/politics/main249357.shtml, November 14, 2000.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: ?Make sure the chairman of your campaign is also the vote countin? woman and that her state has hired a company that?s gonna knock voters off the rolls who aren?t likely to vote for you. You can usually tell them by the color of their skin.?

?The vote total was certified by Florida's secretary of state, Katherine Harris, head of the Bush campaign in Florida, on behalf of Gov. Jeb Bush, the candidate's brother.? Mark Zoller Seitz, ?Bush Team Conveyed an Air of Legitimacy,? San Diego Union-Tribune, December 16, 2000.
The Florida Department of State awarded a $4 million contract to the Boca Raton-based Database Technologies Inc. (subsidiary of ChoicePoint). They were tasked with finding improperly registered voters in the state?s database, but mistakes were rampant. ?At one point, the list included as felons 8,000 former Texas residents who had been convicted of misdemeanors.? St. Petersburg Times (Florida), December 21, 2003.
Database Technologies, a subsidiary of ChoicePoint, ?was responsible for bungling an overhaul of Florida?s voter registration records, with the result that thousands of people, disproportionately black, were disenfranchised in the 2000 election. Had they been able to vote, they might have swung the state, and thus the presidency, for Al Gore, who lost in Florida. Oliver Burkeman, Jo Tuckman, ?Firm in Florida Election Fiasco Earns Millions from Files on Foreigners,? The Guardian, May 5, 2003 http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/...49709,00.html. See also, Atlanta-Journal-Constitution, May 28, 2001.
In 1997, Rick Rozar, the late head of the company bought by ChoicePoint, donated $100,000 to the Republican National Committee. Melanie Eversley, ?Atlanta-Based Company Says Errors in Felon Purge Not Its Fault,? Atlanta Journal-Constitution, May 28, 2001. Frank Borman of Database Technologies Inc. has donated extensively to New Mexico Republicans, as well as to the Presidential campaign of George W. Bush. Opensecrets.org, ?Frank Borman.?
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Gore got the most votes in 2000.

[A] consortium [Tribune Co., owner of the Times; Associated Press; CNN; the New York Times; the Palm Beach Post; the St. Petersburg Times; the Wall Street Journal; and the Washington Post] hired the NORC [National Opinion Research Center, a nonpartisan research organization affiliated with the University of Chicago] to view each untallied ballot and gather information about how it was marked. The media organizations then used computers to sort and tabulate votes, based on varying scenarios that had been raised during the post-election scramble in Florida. Under any standard that tabulated all disputed votes statewide, Mr. Gore erased Mr. Bush's advantage and emerged with a tiny lead that ranged from 42 to 171 votes. Donald Lambro, ?Recount Provides No Firm Answers,? Washington Times, November 12, 2001.
?The review found that the result would have been different if every canvassing board in every county had examined every undervote, a situation that no election or court authority had ordered. Gore had called for such a statewide manual recount if Bush would agree, but Bush rejected the idea and there was no mechanism in place to conduct one.? Martin Merzer, ?Review of Ballots Finds Bush's Win Would Have Endured Manual Recount,? Miami Herald, April 4, 2001.
See also, the following article by one of the Washington Post journalists who ran the consortium recount. The relevant point is made in Table I of the article. http://www.aei.org/docLib/20040526_KeatingPaper.pdf

etc etc etc

Mojiteaux · 08-23-2004, 10:36 AM

Or this:

July 23rd, 2004 12:59 pm
9/11 Commission Report Confirms Key Fahrenheit 9/11 Facts

The September 11 Commission's 567-page final report has confirmed key facts presented in Fahrenheit 9/11. These include:

Attorney General John Ashhahahahaha told acting FBI director Thomas Pickard that he did not want to hear anything more about terrorist threats. Confirmed, Commission Report at p. 265
After Bush was informed of the first plane hitting the World Trade Center, he went ahead with his classroom event. After Bush was informed that the nation was under attack after the second plane hit, Bush stayed in the classroom for nearly seven more minutes, continuing to read with the children. Confirmed, Commission Report at pp. 35, 38-39.
Bush failed to have even one meeting to discuss the threat of terrorism with his head of counterterrorism Richard Clarke. Confirmed, Commission Report at p. 201.
Bush failed to react to the August 6, 2001 security briefing, ?Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.? Confirmed, Commission Report at pp. 260-262.
142 Saudis, including 24 members of the bin Laden family, were allowed to leave the country after September 13. Confirmed, Commission Report at p. 556, n. 25 [Note that Fahrenheit 9/11 understates the number of Saudis who left.]
Individuals were interviewed by the FBI before being allowed to leave (although the report confirms that most individuals on these flights were not interviewed.) Confirmed, Commission Report at p. 557, n. 28.
White House former counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke approved these flights. Confirmed, Commission Report at p. 329.

It should also be noted that the 9/11 Commission does not address or deem important a number of other issues either addressed in Fahrenheit 9/11 or revealed since completion of the film, including:

What exactly was the rush in getting these individuals out of the country so soon after the worst attack in U.S. history, why did Saudi Royals and bin Laden family members receive such special treatment at a time when most Americans still could not get flights (even though airspace may have been open), and how exactly were the flights arranged by the U.S. government?
Several unanswered questions posed by Senator Byron Dorgan (D-ND) in a July 20, 2004, Grand Forks Herald column: ?At a time when 14 of the 19 terrorists from Sept. 11 were Saudi citizens, how and why were six secret flights allowed to sneak 142 Saudi citizens out of the United States in the days after Sept. 11 before they were properly interrogated? How do we know they weren't properly questioned? Because Dale Watson, the No. 2 man and former head of counterterrorism at the FBI has said none of them were subjected to ?serious? interrogation or questions before being allowed to leave. In fact, we now know that at least two and perhaps more of the Saudis who were allowed to leave after Sept. 11 were under investigation by the FBI for alleged terrorist connections.?
Information that came to light in Dana Milbank?s July 22, 2004 Washington Post article, including the fact that at least one bin Laden family member who was allowed to leave lived with a nephew of Osama bin Laden, who "was involved in forming the U.S. branch of the World Assembly of Muslim Youth" (WAMY), which the FBI has described as ?a suspected terrorist organization,? and that the bin Ladens flew out of the country on the same airplane that ?has been chartered frequently by the White House for the press corps traveling with President Bush.?

MickeyG · 08-23-2004, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by genomega
A lot closer to the truth than Dan, Peter or Tom and cnn is a joke.

Maybe you should watch OutFoxed and learn the truth about Fox News.

Link to the Trailer

dig420 · 08-23-2004, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Face (o_0)
maybe you should have a look at this, pretty interesting read :

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

kinda shows how full of shit the guy really is

im not a michael moore hater, but i do know hes very good at misleading, ive seen both of his movies.

I watched them only for entertainment and im sure there is some truth to a couple of things he says but theres also ALOT of bs (editing to get false impressions)

anyways reading the stuff in the link makes me wonder about some of the stuff in fahrenheit 911

as bdjuf would say : disguss

what's really important is that you're getting BANNED for being a fucktard.

Jace · 08-23-2004, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dig420
what's really important is that you're getting BANNED for being a fucktard.

hahahaha, you just made this a wonderful thread

08-23-2004, 05:43 AM	#1
Face (o_0) So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 2,617	To all Michael Moore fans maybe you should have a look at this, pretty interesting read : http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html kinda shows how full of shit the guy really is im not a michael moore hater, but i do know hes very good at misleading, ive seen both of his movies. I watched them only for entertainment and im sure there is some truth to a couple of things he says but theres also ALOT of bs (editing to get false impressions) anyways reading the stuff in the link makes me wonder about some of the stuff in fahrenheit 911 as bdjuf would say : disguss

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08-23-2004, 10:02 AM	#15
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08-23-2004, 10:34 AM	#19
Mojiteaux Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 265	Why not use this: http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom/...ndex.php?id=16 THE FOLLOWING IS THE LINE BY LINE FACTUAL BACKUP FOR 'FAHRENHEIT 9/11' Section One covers the facts in Fahrenheit 9/11 from the 2000 election to George W. Bush's extended visit to Booker Elementary on the morning of September 11th. FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Fox was the first network to call Florida for Bush. Before that, some other networks had called Florida for Gore, and they changed after Fox called it for Bush. ?With information provided from the Voter News Service, NBC was the first network to project Gore the winner in Florida at 7:48 pm. At 7:50 pm ,CNN and CBS project Gore the winner in Florida as well.? By 8:02 pm , all five networks and the Associated Press had called Gore the winner in Florida. Even the VNS called Gore the winner at 7:52 pm. At 2:16 am, Fox calls Florida for Bush, NBC follows at 2:16 am. ABC is the last network to call the Florida for Bush, at 2:20 am, while AP and VNS never call Florida for Bush. CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/stories/02/02/ cnn.report/cnn.pdf Ten minutes after the top of the hour, network excitement was again beginning to build. At 2:16 a.m., the call was made: Fox News Channel, with Bush's first cousin John Ellis running its election desk, was the first to project Florida -- and the presidency -- for the Texas governor. Within minutes, the other networks followed suit. "George Bush, Governor of Texas will become the 43rd President of the United States," CNN's Bernard Shaw announced atop a graphic montage of a smiling Bush. "At 18 minutes past two o'clock Eastern time, CNN declares that George Walker Bush has won Florida's 25 electoral votes and this should put him over the top."PBS: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/media/election2000/ election_night.html FAHRENHEIT 9/11: The man who was in charge of the decision desk at FOX on election night was Bush?s first cousin, John Ellis. ?John Ellis, a first cousin of George W. Bush, ran the network's ?decision desk? during the 2000 election, and Fox was the first to name Bush the winner. Earlier, Ellis had made six phone calls to Cousin Bush during the vote-counting.? William O?Rourke, ?Talk Radio Key to GOP Victory,? Chicago Sun-Times, December 3, 2002. A Fox News consultant, John Ellis, who made judgments about presidential ?calls? on Election Night admits he was in touch with George W. Bush and FL Gov. Jeb Bush by telephone several times during the night, but denies breaking any rules. CNN, November 14, 2000; http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/ 11/14/politics/main249357.shtml. John Ellis, the Fox consultant who called Florida early for George Bush, had to stop writing about the campaign for the Boston Globe because of family ?loyalty? to Bush. CBS News, http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/ 11/14/politics/main249357.shtml, November 14, 2000. FAHRENHEIT 9/11: ?Make sure the chairman of your campaign is also the vote countin? woman and that her state has hired a company that?s gonna knock voters off the rolls who aren?t likely to vote for you. You can usually tell them by the color of their skin.? ?The vote total was certified by Florida's secretary of state, Katherine Harris, head of the Bush campaign in Florida, on behalf of Gov. Jeb Bush, the candidate's brother.? Mark Zoller Seitz, ?Bush Team Conveyed an Air of Legitimacy,? San Diego Union-Tribune, December 16, 2000. The Florida Department of State awarded a $4 million contract to the Boca Raton-based Database Technologies Inc. (subsidiary of ChoicePoint). They were tasked with finding improperly registered voters in the state?s database, but mistakes were rampant. ?At one point, the list included as felons 8,000 former Texas residents who had been convicted of misdemeanors.? St. Petersburg Times (Florida), December 21, 2003. Database Technologies, a subsidiary of ChoicePoint, ?was responsible for bungling an overhaul of Florida?s voter registration records, with the result that thousands of people, disproportionately black, were disenfranchised in the 2000 election. Had they been able to vote, they might have swung the state, and thus the presidency, for Al Gore, who lost in Florida. Oliver Burkeman, Jo Tuckman, ?Firm in Florida Election Fiasco Earns Millions from Files on Foreigners,? The Guardian, May 5, 2003 http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/...49709,00.html. See also, Atlanta-Journal-Constitution, May 28, 2001. In 1997, Rick Rozar, the late head of the company bought by ChoicePoint, donated $100,000 to the Republican National Committee. Melanie Eversley, ?Atlanta-Based Company Says Errors in Felon Purge Not Its Fault,? Atlanta Journal-Constitution, May 28, 2001. Frank Borman of Database Technologies Inc. has donated extensively to New Mexico Republicans, as well as to the Presidential campaign of George W. Bush. Opensecrets.org, ?Frank Borman.? FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Gore got the most votes in 2000. [A] consortium [Tribune Co., owner of the Times; Associated Press; CNN; the New York Times; the Palm Beach Post; the St. Petersburg Times; the Wall Street Journal; and the Washington Post] hired the NORC [National Opinion Research Center, a nonpartisan research organization affiliated with the University of Chicago] to view each untallied ballot and gather information about how it was marked. The media organizations then used computers to sort and tabulate votes, based on varying scenarios that had been raised during the post-election scramble in Florida. Under any standard that tabulated all disputed votes statewide, Mr. Gore erased Mr. Bush's advantage and emerged with a tiny lead that ranged from 42 to 171 votes. Donald Lambro, ?Recount Provides No Firm Answers,? Washington Times, November 12, 2001. ?The review found that the result would have been different if every canvassing board in every county had examined every undervote, a situation that no election or court authority had ordered. Gore had called for such a statewide manual recount if Bush would agree, but Bush rejected the idea and there was no mechanism in place to conduct one.? Martin Merzer, ?Review of Ballots Finds Bush's Win Would Have Endured Manual Recount,? Miami Herald, April 4, 2001. See also, the following article by one of the Washington Post journalists who ran the consortium recount. The relevant point is made in Table I of the article. http://www.aei.org/docLib/20040526_KeatingPaper.pdf etc etc etc

08-23-2004, 10:36 AM	#20
Mojiteaux Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 265	Or this: July 23rd, 2004 12:59 pm 9/11 Commission Report Confirms Key Fahrenheit 9/11 Facts The September 11 Commission's 567-page final report has confirmed key facts presented in Fahrenheit 9/11. These include: Attorney General John Ashhahahahaha told acting FBI director Thomas Pickard that he did not want to hear anything more about terrorist threats. Confirmed, Commission Report at p. 265 After Bush was informed of the first plane hitting the World Trade Center, he went ahead with his classroom event. After Bush was informed that the nation was under attack after the second plane hit, Bush stayed in the classroom for nearly seven more minutes, continuing to read with the children. Confirmed, Commission Report at pp. 35, 38-39. Bush failed to have even one meeting to discuss the threat of terrorism with his head of counterterrorism Richard Clarke. Confirmed, Commission Report at p. 201. Bush failed to react to the August 6, 2001 security briefing, ?Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.? Confirmed, Commission Report at pp. 260-262. 142 Saudis, including 24 members of the bin Laden family, were allowed to leave the country after September 13. Confirmed, Commission Report at p. 556, n. 25 [Note that Fahrenheit 9/11 understates the number of Saudis who left.] Individuals were interviewed by the FBI before being allowed to leave (although the report confirms that most individuals on these flights were not interviewed.) Confirmed, Commission Report at p. 557, n. 28. White House former counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke approved these flights. Confirmed, Commission Report at p. 329. It should also be noted that the 9/11 Commission does not address or deem important a number of other issues either addressed in Fahrenheit 9/11 or revealed since completion of the film, including: What exactly was the rush in getting these individuals out of the country so soon after the worst attack in U.S. history, why did Saudi Royals and bin Laden family members receive such special treatment at a time when most Americans still could not get flights (even though airspace may have been open), and how exactly were the flights arranged by the U.S. government? Several unanswered questions posed by Senator Byron Dorgan (D-ND) in a July 20, 2004, Grand Forks Herald column: ?At a time when 14 of the 19 terrorists from Sept. 11 were Saudi citizens, how and why were six secret flights allowed to sneak 142 Saudi citizens out of the United States in the days after Sept. 11 before they were properly interrogated? How do we know they weren't properly questioned? Because Dale Watson, the No. 2 man and former head of counterterrorism at the FBI has said none of them were subjected to ?serious? interrogation or questions before being allowed to leave. In fact, we now know that at least two and perhaps more of the Saudis who were allowed to leave after Sept. 11 were under investigation by the FBI for alleged terrorist connections.? Information that came to light in Dana Milbank?s July 22, 2004 Washington Post article, including the fact that at least one bin Laden family member who was allowed to leave lived with a nephew of Osama bin Laden, who "was involved in forming the U.S. branch of the World Assembly of Muslim Youth" (WAMY), which the FBI has described as ?a suspected terrorist organization,? and that the bin Ladens flew out of the country on the same airplane that ?has been chartered frequently by the White House for the press corps traveling with President Bush.?