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Sly_RJ · 08-07-2004, 09:08 PM

A couple months back I started working with a traffic stream that many said didn't work anymore. Four months later it seems to be doing just fine for me.

So, my question is... if I started building and submitting AVS sites tonight, would they still make "decent" money after 4-5 months of consistent submitting?

tolik · 08-07-2004, 09:12 PM

while avs systems be work.

i can reccomend you use these 2 programms for this:

http://www.goldxpass.com/webmaster/?tolik

http://bxdx.com/cgi-bin/signup.cgi?ID=155

AgentCash · 08-07-2004, 09:23 PM

As long as you're a consistent builder, you can reap the rewards. Excellent conversions but the internal linklist traffic is low compared to many other traffic sources. To make the most of it, you need to work both the front & back end.

twistyneck · 08-07-2004, 09:25 PM

Don't need to build all day. Promote all day instead.

tolik · 08-07-2004, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AgentCash
As long as you're a consistent builder, you can reap the rewards. Excellent conversions but the internal linklist traffic is low compared to many other traffic sources. To make the most of it, you need to work both the front & back end.

internal linklist traffic - 100% of people who already payed per porn via internet.

psyhical barrier broken for these people - they pay once - they be paying more.

atleast at some of my old amateur sites i still have 1:5-10 ratio at sponsors (banner+desc in avs site member area)

makefuckingmoney · 08-07-2004, 09:33 PM

use only freeavs's..

the rest suck balls

twistyneck · 08-07-2004, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by makefuckingmoney
use only freeavs's..

the rest suck balls

OMG - someone give this guy the Dipshit of the Century Award!

Wanna make real money? Build a few CyberAge sites that convert then work the shit out of them. Get a steady stream of rebills and take the next year or two off.

Anyone that chooses a free system over a premium system either has shitty traffic or is a shitty site builder.

AgentCash · 08-07-2004, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tolik
internal linklist traffic - 100% of people who already payed per porn via internet.

psyhical barrier broken for these people - they pay once - they be paying more.

atleast at some of my old amateur sites i still have 1:5-10 ratio at sponsors (banner+desc in avs site member area)

Exactly. Some of the best traffic out there, just wish there was more of it

Theo · 08-07-2004, 09:49 PM

the main problem is that most avs linklists have a billion sites and the traffic volume you get is minimal from most of them

xxxdesign-net · 08-07-2004, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by twistyneck
OMG - someone give this guy the Dipshit of the Century Award!

Wanna make real money? Build a few CyberAge sites that convert then work the shit out of them. Get a steady stream of rebills and take the next year or two off.

Anyone that chooses a free system over a premium system either has shitty traffic or is a shitty site builder.

whats your average retentention (#months)?

BradM · 08-07-2004, 10:34 PM

Sure.

twistyneck · 08-07-2004, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
whats your average retentention (#months)?

A long time but I've never actually figured it out. They seem to either quit the same day or stay forever. All I know for sure is that even though I make sales, I don't really need to.

xxxdesign-net · 08-07-2004, 10:39 PM

The problem also with recurring is if ever there's an industry change concerning AVS.. or the AVS program you are using pull the plug.. you are toast.. Usually pay per signup will pay you for 2.5 months average retention..

Semi-Retired-Dave · 08-08-2004, 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by makefuckingmoney
use only freeavs's..

the rest suck balls

Wrong info here buddy. I see our sales history everyday. THAT IS SO WRONG.

Need help setting up, we've been around since 96 and the system works.

Semi-Retired-Dave · 08-08-2004, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by twistyneck
OMG - someone give this guy the Dipshit of the Century Award!

Wanna make real money? Build a few CyberAge sites that convert then work the shit out of them. Get a steady stream of rebills and take the next year or two off.

Anyone that chooses a free system over a premium system either has shitty traffic or is a shitty site builder.

Thank you buddy, very well said.

baddog · 08-08-2004, 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by twistyneck
Don't need to build all day. Promote all day instead.

Precisely

BruceM · 08-08-2004, 01:13 AM

While I am not doing much AVS stuff presently, I still make some ok money off of Cyberage.

Dave's program is the best I have found.

Semi-Retired-Dave · 08-08-2004, 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BruceM
While I am not doing much AVS stuff presently, I still make some ok money off of Cyberage.

Dave's program is the best I have found.

Thanks buddy, that is what I like to hear.

Brujah · 08-08-2004, 05:11 AM

Why do VISA policies and such affect other AVS's but not ALL ? What's the difference between say Adultcheck, Site Pass, or some of the remaining open AVS systems ?

Some may be hesitant to invest a significant recurring income strategy with an AVS company as a result.

makefuckingmoney · 08-08-2004, 06:18 AM

use adult check they have been around forever!

take your money up front..

1. recurrings are basically in control of the program operator..should that operator have CB issues you lose all your recurrings.

2. AVS is very gray area..should visa clamp down on AVS, you would then again lose all your recurrings.

Risk VS Reward..in doing recurrings in a regular program that is somewhat debateable, doing them in an AVS and you are borderline retarded.

That said..good luck!

zentz · 08-08-2004, 06:46 AM

http://www.adultsallowed.com/wm/index.php/1937

free hosting, free content, good convertions, good retentions, high payouts

mardigras · 08-08-2004, 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by makefuckingmoney
use adult check they have been around forever!

Care to post us the webmaster signup page for AdultCheck?

biglou · 08-08-2004, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah
Why do VISA policies and such affect other AVS's but not ALL ? What's the difference between say Adultcheck, Site Pass, or some of the remaining open AVS systems ?

Some may be hesitant to invest a significant recurring income strategy with an AVS company as a result.

I am so glad you brought up this point, brujah. When Adult Check and the Judas Webmasters made the big change, we were told that this was because VISA would pull the plug w/o them... And yet, CyberAge makes minimal changes (still processing.) ProAdult makes fewer changes (still processing.) It's time for AC and their chosen few webmasters to admit what they really are... Crooks who are more than willing to stab 5000+ other webmasters in the back.

Holly · 08-08-2004, 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mardigras
Care to post us the webmaster signup page for AdultCheck?

Here you go:

http://wesuckbigcocks.com/wealsofuckwebmasters.html

Sarah_Jayne · 08-08-2004, 07:06 AM

yup, like has been said it is about promotion these days. Promotion and finding a few niches to work the ass off of until you can't work it any more

iwantchixx · 08-08-2004, 09:07 AM

My concern would be, say if a person built 100 avs sites. then a month later the avs system decides to impose new changes that are IMPOSSILE to do within the aloted 3 seconds they give you. Sound familiar avs guys?

Sarah_Jayne · 08-08-2004, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by iwantchixx
My concern would be, say if a person built 100 avs sites. then a month later the avs system decides to impose new changes that are IMPOSSILE to do within the aloted 3 seconds they give you. Sound familiar avs guys?

I pretty much only use CyberAge these days just because I don't really have time to do sites for more than them but whenever they have changed rules they have given weeks, if not months for people to change things.

montel · 08-08-2004, 09:33 AM

as someone said, all u have to do is to promote it all day.

Semi-Retired-Dave · 08-08-2004, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by makefuckingmoney
use adult check they have been around forever!

take your money up front..

1. recurrings are basically in control of the program operator..should that operator have CB issues you lose all your recurrings.

2. AVS is very gray area..should visa clamp down on AVS, you would then again lose all your recurrings.

Risk VS Reward..in doing recurrings in a regular program that is somewhat debateable, doing them in an AVS and you are borderline retarded.

That said..good luck!

I can see why you're not making money. You just don't know anything.

maxjohan · 08-08-2004, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tolik
psyhical barrier broken for these people

I like that part, because its so true.

btw, does most AVS's accept different kinds of
pics or do you need sets?

NoCarrier · 08-08-2004, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
the main problem is that most avs linklists have a billion sites and the traffic volume you get is minimal from most of them

Well then you have to build 10 billion sites

Go with micro-niches.

xxxdesign-net · 08-08-2004, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CyberAge-Dave
I can see why you're not making money. You just don't know anything.

What makes you better than cybersexnetwork or netverifier...?
Their commission plans are significantly higher that yours...

Holly · 08-08-2004, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
What makes you better than cybersexnetwork...

I agree. Cybersexnetwork is *so* much better than that shit of his. He should probably take a lesson or two from it's owner about better payouts.

VeriSexy · 08-08-2004, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by biglou
I am so glad you brought up this point, brujah. When Adult Check and the Judas Webmasters made the big change, we were told that this was because VISA would pull the plug w/o them... And yet, CyberAge makes minimal changes (still processing.) ProAdult makes fewer changes (still processing.) It's time for AC and their chosen few webmasters to admit what they really are... Crooks who are more than willing to stab 5000+ other webmasters in the back.

CyberAge
ProAdult

Semi-Retired-Dave · 08-08-2004, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
What makes you better than cybersexnetwork or netverifier...?
Their commission plans are significantly higher that yours...

I have no problem with Netverifier, good choice there, and we own CyberSexNetwork too. Along with UGAS.com too.

So any of these are good.

I advertise CyberAge here that is why I said CyberAge, its the most common one.

Semi-Retired-Dave · 08-08-2004, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Holly

I agree. Cybersexnetwork is *so* much better than that shit of his. He should probably take a lesson or two from it's owner about better payouts.

One has better payouts and the other has higher click thur payouts. Its the same company, but thanks for the props. I should take a lesson from its owners. Let me go see if I can find them.

Sarah_Jayne · 08-08-2004, 01:27 PM

if cyberage wasn't good I would spend all my AVS energy on them. The rebills are fantastic. Just find your niche and promote on more that their link list is what I would say.

Antonio · 08-08-2004, 01:38 PM

Hey Dave. Does it still take 3 years to approve (or decline) someone's application? I believe I sent mine about 3 years ago and I'm still waiting for the outcome. Send couple of e-mails back then - no reply whatrsoever. Thanks but no thanks.

makefuckingmoney · 08-08-2004, 02:01 PM

Dave,

answer me this..

how long have you owned cyberage?

makefuckingmoney · 08-08-2004, 02:02 PM

show me the errors in my quote please..

teach me oh great one!

quote:
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Originally posted by makefuckingmoney
use adult check they have been around forever!

take your money up front..

1. recurrings are basically in control of the program operator..should that operator have CB issues you lose all your recurrings.

2. AVS is very gray area..should visa clamp down on AVS, you would then again lose all your recurrings.

Risk VS Reward..in doing recurrings in a regular program that is somewhat debateable, doing them in an AVS and you are borderline retarded.

That said..good luck!
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I can see why you're not making money. You just don't know anything.

http · 08-08-2004, 02:03 PM

That is the problem with Cyberage, the "secret handshake" AVS. It is hugs and kisses for those who keep in "touch" with them 24/7 but you'll find yourself in a world of pain if you are looking for clear, open rulels that apply to everyone. Rude reviewers too. I do agree that once in, a premium site can generate a very constant income flow. But it is still NOT worth it in the end. The whole appeal process is WAAAAAYYYY to time consuming and not professional because not based on set, strict rules that are open to read for everyone. Basically everything goes on a "case by case" basis. I rather know exactly where I am at, and whether a site is going to get accepted or not, BEFORE I even send that site to them. Standard with other AVS'

Those who love Cyberage just confirm what I said above. Hugs and kisses for some, not so nice for the rest

xxxdesign-net · 08-08-2004, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sarah_webinc
if cyberage wasn't good I would spend all my AVS energy on them. The rebills are fantastic. Just find your niche and promote on more that their link list is what I would say.

what makes you choose cyberage over Cybersexnetwork ? Pay per click? I cant believe that makes it worth it...

xxxdesign-net · 08-08-2004, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CyberAge-Dave
One has better payouts and the other has higher click thur payouts. Its the same company, but thanks for the props. I should take a lesson from its owners. Let me go see if I can find them.

and how's retention for both Cyberage and cybersexnetwork ? About the same?

Proadult claims to retain members on average for 8-9 months... I'll believe that if they can guarantee me at least 7 !

makefuckingmoney · 08-08-2004, 02:11 PM

I thought Jack owned cyberage?

I own 2 avs's..i just wouldnt recommend someone putting a lot of time into starting them without knowing the risks.

heck try and take an avs system to ccbill for processing..they wont even accept them..unless they have changed recently.

If you know what your doing, and you know how to work them, they are very profitable..BUT if you are going to invest a ton of time into them, use it to figure out google and adwords etc..not avs..

if you want me to blow smoke up your butt, I can send my lackeys over to this thread..

bigdog · 08-08-2004, 02:11 PM

looks like a good thread is coming

makefuckingmoney · 08-08-2004, 02:12 PM

your just taking a double risk with a recurring based avs..

if you know that risk and promise NOT to cry if you lose your recurrings..then go for it..

I really dont care, Im not here promoting mine

Just know the risks

Sarah_Jayne · 08-08-2004, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
what makes you choose cyberage over Cybersexnetwork ? Pay per click? I cant believe that makes it worth it...

well, the most honest answer I will give you is that I started with CyberAge and didn't move over. However, the per click does really add up if you have enough sites plus the middle page bonus on the lower level sites really does add up if you are adding sites on a regular basis. Plus, there is no rule to say you can't add your site to both networks.

DaLord · 08-08-2004, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CyberAge-Dave
I can see why you're not making money. You just don't know anything.

To be honest... that was my thought aswell.

makefuckingmoney · 08-08-2004, 02:16 PM

Im off to the beach..gonna fire up my metal detector and try and make some money!

Ill check back later if I remember.

Just know your risks..when adult check went under a lot of people were crying and surprised.

In no way am I saying cyberage is in any trouble, I think they are a great system, but there are risks involved with recurring and with AVS style systems.

These are all just my opinions..and they are worth what you paid for them!

Sly_RJ · 08-08-2004, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by makefuckingmoney
I thought Jack owned cyberage?

I own 2 avs's..i just wouldnt recommend someone putting a lot of time into starting them without knowing the risks.

heck try and take an avs system to ccbill for processing..they wont even accept them..unless they have changed recently.

If you know what your doing, and you know how to work them, they are very profitable..BUT if you are going to invest a ton of time into them, use it to figure out google and adwords etc..not avs..

if you want me to blow smoke up your butt, I can send my lackeys over to this thread..

Chris which ones do you own? I forget. Wasn't it Sexy AVS or something?

By the way, I'm certainly not interested in starting up my own AVS system. I'm more interested in building and submitting sites to them. I have an assload of content sitting here that I may want to turn into a premium site.

08-07-2004, 09:08 PM	#1
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08-07-2004, 09:12 PM	#2
tolik Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: inside my brain Posts: 2,035	while avs systems be work. i can reccomend you use these 2 programms for this: http://www.goldxpass.com/webmaster/?tolik http://bxdx.com/cgi-bin/signup.cgi?ID=155 __________________ LONGBUCKS-Teen, Mature, Reality, Gay sites. Free hosting (cgi/php/mysql/cron etc). FHGs. Free content.Great rebills. Support icq - 313-882-945 Webmaster friendly high recommended programs to promote (personal experience): RoyalCash-Teen ProfitX -Video SmokinCash-Amateur,Lesbo,Squirting

08-08-2004, 01:13 AM	#17
BruceM Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 4,084	While I am not doing much AVS stuff presently, I still make some ok money off of Cyberage. Dave's program is the best I have found. __________________ SellHealth - Sell Herbal Sex Enhancers, HGH Releasers and more! Skype: brucemorrey

08-08-2004, 05:11 AM	#19
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Why do VISA policies and such affect other AVS's but not ALL ? What's the difference between say Adultcheck, Site Pass, or some of the remaining open AVS systems ? Some may be hesitant to invest a significant recurring income strategy with an AVS company as a result. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

08-08-2004, 06:46 AM	#21
zentz Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,053	http://www.adultsallowed.com/wm/index.php/1937 free hosting, free content, good convertions, good retentions, high payouts __________________ Programs that owe me money ---- Epassporte.com ~ $2700 \| Protraffic.com ~ $2600 \| XonDemand.com ~ $3000 Email: [email protected]

08-07-2004, 09:23 PM	#3
AgentCash Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 720	As long as you're a consistent builder, you can reap the rewards. Excellent conversions but the internal linklist traffic is low compared to many other traffic sources. To make the most of it, you need to work both the front & back end.

08-07-2004, 09:25 PM	#4
twistyneck So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hanging by the neck until dead. Posts: 4,660	Don't need to build all day. Promote all day instead.

08-07-2004, 09:33 PM	#6
makefuckingmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,277	use only freeavs's.. the rest suck balls

08-07-2004, 09:49 PM	#9
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	the main problem is that most avs linklists have a billion sites and the traffic volume you get is minimal from most of them

08-07-2004, 10:34 PM	#11
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	Sure.

08-07-2004, 10:39 PM	#13
xxxdesign-net My hips don't lie Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 10,129	The problem also with recurring is if ever there's an industry change concerning AVS.. or the AVS program you are using pull the plug.. you are toast.. Usually pay per signup will pay you for 2.5 months average retention..

08-08-2004, 06:18 AM	#20
makefuckingmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,277	use adult check they have been around forever! take your money up front.. 1. recurrings are basically in control of the program operator..should that operator have CB issues you lose all your recurrings. 2. AVS is very gray area..should visa clamp down on AVS, you would then again lose all your recurrings. Risk VS Reward..in doing recurrings in a regular program that is somewhat debateable, doing them in an AVS and you are borderline retarded. That said..good luck!

08-08-2004, 07:06 AM	#25
Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	yup, like has been said it is about promotion these days. Promotion and finding a few niches to work the ass off of until you can't work it any more

08-08-2004, 09:07 AM	#26
iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	My concern would be, say if a person built 100 avs sites. then a month later the avs system decides to impose new changes that are IMPOSSILE to do within the aloted 3 seconds they give you. Sound familiar avs guys?

08-08-2004, 09:33 AM	#28
montel Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig! Posts: 2,606	as someone said, all u have to do is to promote it all day. __________________ Barefootsies

08-08-2004, 01:27 PM	#37
Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	if cyberage wasn't good I would spend all my AVS energy on them. The rebills are fantastic. Just find your niche and promote on more that their link list is what I would say.

08-08-2004, 01:38 PM	#38
Antonio Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Spartaaaaaaaaa Posts: 14,136	Hey Dave. Does it still take 3 years to approve (or decline) someone's application? I believe I sent mine about 3 years ago and I'm still waiting for the outcome. Send couple of e-mails back then - no reply whatrsoever. Thanks but no thanks.

08-08-2004, 02:01 PM	#39
makefuckingmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,277	Dave, answer me this.. how long have you owned cyberage?

08-08-2004, 02:02 PM	#40
makefuckingmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,277	show me the errors in my quote please.. teach me oh great one! quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by makefuckingmoney use adult check they have been around forever! take your money up front.. 1. recurrings are basically in control of the program operator..should that operator have CB issues you lose all your recurrings. 2. AVS is very gray area..should visa clamp down on AVS, you would then again lose all your recurrings. Risk VS Reward..in doing recurrings in a regular program that is somewhat debateable, doing them in an AVS and you are borderline retarded. That said..good luck! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I can see why you're not making money. You just don't know anything.

08-08-2004, 02:03 PM	#41
http Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,811	That is the problem with Cyberage, the "secret handshake" AVS. It is hugs and kisses for those who keep in "touch" with them 24/7 but you'll find yourself in a world of pain if you are looking for clear, open rulels that apply to everyone. Rude reviewers too. I do agree that once in, a premium site can generate a very constant income flow. But it is still NOT worth it in the end. The whole appeal process is WAAAAAYYYY to time consuming and not professional because not based on set, strict rules that are open to read for everyone. Basically everything goes on a "case by case" basis. I rather know exactly where I am at, and whether a site is going to get accepted or not, BEFORE I even send that site to them. Standard with other AVS' Those who love Cyberage just confirm what I said above. Hugs and kisses for some, not so nice for the rest

08-08-2004, 02:11 PM	#44
makefuckingmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,277	I thought Jack owned cyberage? I own 2 avs's..i just wouldnt recommend someone putting a lot of time into starting them without knowing the risks. heck try and take an avs system to ccbill for processing..they wont even accept them..unless they have changed recently. If you know what your doing, and you know how to work them, they are very profitable..BUT if you are going to invest a ton of time into them, use it to figure out google and adwords etc..not avs.. if you want me to blow smoke up your butt, I can send my lackeys over to this thread..

08-08-2004, 02:11 PM	#45
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	looks like a good thread is coming

08-08-2004, 02:12 PM	#46
makefuckingmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,277	your just taking a double risk with a recurring based avs.. if you know that risk and promise NOT to cry if you lose your recurrings..then go for it.. I really dont care, Im not here promoting mine Just know the risks

08-08-2004, 02:16 PM	#49
makefuckingmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,277	Im off to the beach..gonna fire up my metal detector and try and make some money! Ill check back later if I remember. Just know your risks..when adult check went under a lot of people were crying and surprised. In no way am I saying cyberage is in any trouble, I think they are a great system, but there are risks involved with recurring and with AVS style systems. These are all just my opinions..and they are worth what you paid for them!