designers and non-compete's - GoFuckYourself.com

NaughtyJenn · 07-10-2004, 12:25 AM

i have been sitting on an idea and would require some design/php stuff made for it.. now how many designers would have an issue (as well as programmers) of working on something under a non-compete added into their contract...

Fletch XXX · 07-10-2004, 12:29 AM

non-compete or a "dont steal my idea contract?"

non compete kind of covers too much grounds dont you think?

if I do work for someone on a Tranny site, I cant make a tranny site? that would suck ;

NaughtyJenn · 07-10-2004, 12:31 AM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
non-compete or a "dont steal my idea contract?"

non compete kind of covers too much grounds dont you think?

if I do work for someone on a Tranny site, I cant make a tranny site? that would suck ;

this would be a specified thing in regards to the type of site.. and it would only be for a set period of time.. i wouldnt expect a designer not to work because of it but complete project details etc would have to be kept within the agreement and not told to anyone until it runs up..

also stopping them from taking the idea and running off before i launch it

Fletch XXX · 07-10-2004, 12:35 AM

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Originally posted by NaughtyJenn
this would be a specified thing in regards to the type of site.. and it would only be for a set period of time.. i wouldnt expect a designer not to work because of it but complete project details etc would have to be kept within the agreement and not told to anyone until it runs up..

also stopping them from taking the idea and running off before i launch it

I think you are using the wrong term then, non compete isnt just that.

I do work for companies ALL THE TIME without releasing details to public, thats a given.

I just did 100+ movei templates and tons of design for Adult Players Club, I have kept my mouth shut about their sites... this should be a given.

And any project details should NEVER be discussed outside of the people involved.

this is all a given.

but to demand a designer not launch a tranny site just because you have one designed is a bit much. a simple contract to "keep the project a secret" is one thing, but to demand they not do anything similar is not going to happen.

anyone can copy your idea as soon as it hits the public, has nothing to do with designer

eroswebmaster · 07-10-2004, 12:37 AM

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Originally posted by NaughtyJenn
this would be a specified thing in regards to the type of site.. and it would only be for a set period of time.. i wouldnt expect a designer not to work because of it but complete project details etc would have to be kept within the agreement and not told to anyone until it runs up..

also stopping them from taking the idea and running off before i launch it

that's more of a non-disclosure...I think a non-compete wouldn't work there aren't too many original ideas left in porn just variations on the same theme and if that meant I couldn't work with another company who happens to be coming up with the same theme then I'd have to say no.

I see tons of sites that haven't even come out yet...shit I was working on APC stuff clear back in December...it's just now getting ready to be released.

NaughtyJenn · 07-10-2004, 12:37 AM

true and i understand what your saying but i also would like to protect the site as much as possible (design and programming wise) from having designer #1 going off and creating the same thing while mine is in the works..

thats my big issue.. shit try and copy it once its done i dont care it would be 2 late by then but just dont want the idea/concept leaked or duplicated before its even completed..

The Truth Hurts · 07-10-2004, 12:38 AM

^^ what fletch said.

Fletch XXX · 07-10-2004, 12:38 AM

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I see tons of sites that haven't even come out yet...shit I was working on APC stuff clear back in December...it's just now getting ready to be released.

exact point I posted above.

we both do work for companies 6 months before shit is made public.

Im working on stuff right now, most wont see for 4 months, i keep my mouth shut out of common courtesy, i dont even need a contract ya know

The Truth Hurts · 07-10-2004, 12:39 AM

also, chances are no matter what your idea is... it's already been done...

NaughtyJenn · 07-10-2004, 12:39 AM

so u would have a problem during the duration of being contracted to design/program not to develop or duplicate ideas from the project?

NaughtyJenn · 07-10-2004, 12:40 AM

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also, chances are no matter what your idea is... it's already been done...

nope... and nope

been in the works for over 8 months to see if it is possible to do and after some final research the last week or so its a go

lots have been done yes.. but not everything

Fletch XXX · 07-10-2004, 12:42 AM

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so u would have a problem during the duration of being contracted to design/program not to develop or duplicate ideas from the project?

i would have no problem signing something saying "during the duration of me working on your project I wouldnt copy it."

but to think youre going to lock some veteran designers into a conteact saying they cant "run a tranny site for 2 years" isnt going to happen.

theres difference between disclosure/serecy and non-compete.

technically, if I run a porn site we are in competition.

NaughtyJenn · 07-10-2004, 12:43 AM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
i would have no problem signing something saying "during the duration of me working on your project I wouldnt copy it."

but to think youre going to lock some veteran designers into a conteact saying they cant "run a tranny site for 2 years" isnt going to happen.

theres difference between disclosure/serecy and non-compete.

technically, if I run a porn site we are in competition.

ok now would u object to a part saying that creating/developing a site with the same concept etc for 3-5 weeks say after completion since its not a "tranny site" or something that a designer would come across unless someone else would be developing this idea be to much?

Fletch XXX · 07-10-2004, 12:44 AM

http://www.ilrg.com/forms/nocompet.html

"The term "not compete" as used herein shall mean that the Employee shall not own, manage, operate, consult or to be employed in a business substantially similar to, or competitive with, the present business of the Company or such other business activity in which the Company may substantially engage during the term of employment."

flashfreak · 07-10-2004, 12:44 AM

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nope... and nope

been in the works for over 8 months to see if it is possible to do and after some final research the last week or so its a go lots have been done yes.. but not everything

well then good luck finding the right person...
the only way to be 100% sure no one steals your ideeas is to start learning php and photoshop..

eroswebmaster · 07-10-2004, 12:44 AM

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Originally posted by NaughtyJenn
so u would have a problem during the duration of being contracted to design/program not to develop or duplicate ideas from the project?

I would not have a problem if it were a truly unique idea and not in adult.

But if it's just another paysite, or whatever I would sign a non-disclosure, but not a non-compete because if I started working with a company who you thought had a similar idea as you then I could be fucked...it's a no win situation for the designer...he either has to turn down work or because you think there are similarities he has to worry about getting sued.

Fletch XXX · 07-10-2004, 12:45 AM

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Originally posted by NaughtyJenn
ok now would u object to a part saying that creating/developing a site with the same concept etc for 3-5 weeks say after completion since its not a "tranny site" or something that a designer would come across often be to much?

Well first off, your "programming and phop" has nothing to do with the "concept" or "design"

its going to get too tricky if you try to make the contract to wordy.

do you have a lawyer who can draw this up for you?

people steal entire sites here and never go to court ;)

NaughtyJenn · 07-10-2004, 12:45 AM

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well then good luck finding the right person...
the only way to be 100% sure no one steals your ideeas is to start learning php and photoshop..

a good % of the photoshop is done and the php is complex and would rather get it done asap..

eroswebmaster · 07-10-2004, 12:46 AM

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nope... and nope

been in the works for over 8 months to see if it is possible to do and after some final research the last week or so its a go lots have been done yes.. but not everything

You say this but I came into a similar problem here recently.

I did work for sweet money months ago and I didn't know it was for their new program sweetroyalties...they didn't show it to me.

Anyway during that time another client told me about a similar idea..when the sweet money thing rolled out I had only seen it like about 2 weeks before everyone else did..but my client who had a similar idea asked me if I had spoken to sweet money about it..but he soon realized they had spent way too much time for it to have been something done recently.

NaughtyJenn · 07-10-2004, 12:46 AM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Well first off, your "programming and phop" has nothing to do with the "concept" or "design"

its going to get too tricky if you try to make the contract to wordy.

do you have a lawyer who can draw this up for you?

people steal entire sites here and never go to court ;)

i have had someone look into how i could get this done safley and proect the concept and the way it would run...

The Truth Hurts · 07-10-2004, 12:47 AM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

people steal entire sites here and never go to court ;)

i'd take that a bit further and say there hasn't been an actual unique idea in this business in about 6 years.

NaughtyJenn · 07-10-2004, 12:49 AM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster
I would not have a problem if it were a truly unique idea and not in adult.

But if it's just another paysite, or whatever I would sign a non-disclosure, but not a non-compete because if I started working with a company who you thought had a similar idea as you then I could be fucked...it's a no win situation for the designer...he either has to turn down work or because you think there are similarities he has to worry about getting sued.

and that is the last thing i want at all.. i wouldnt want the aggrivation for myself nor the designers involved with that burdon over their heads..

it is not a paysite or anything that has been developed (been surfing constantly to find something even like it) but would the time of 3-5 weeks after completion on such a unique concept be do abrasive?

Fletch XXX · 07-10-2004, 12:52 AM

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and that is the last thing i want at all.. i wouldnt want the aggrivation for myself nor the designers involved with that burdon over their heads..

it is not a paysite or anything that has been developed (been surfing constantly to find something even like it) but would the time of 3-5 weeks after completion on such a unique concept be do abrasive?

would the contract even hold up between separate countries?

I wouldnt really care about 3-5 weeks to be honest, I mean shit, do you think designers sit around knocking off everyone? Fuck, I could have released soooo many sites ahead of the programs I have worked for ;)

if the photoshop "almost done" whats the deal about a designer signing if its done?

The Truth Hurts · 07-10-2004, 12:53 AM

go ahead and post your idea..

i'll promise not to rip it off.

and if else anyone does.. you can always refer to this thread to rub their faces in shit for doing so.

eroswebmaster · 07-10-2004, 12:53 AM

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but would the time of 3-5 weeks after completion on such a unique concept be do abrasive?

Not really..however.
I kinda have to go back to Clinton and say it depends upon what the definition of Is IS.

In other words how can I be sure that this is not an idea that is already in the works with another company...a company I already do work for and all of a sudden I can no longer do work for them because of a little piece of paper or I get accused of giving them information on the idea.

I don't know...I understand where you're coming from. I have tons of ideas that I'm afraid to share too.

It's one of those tricky situations where you just have to go out there and see if someone will agree to it.

Fletch XXX · 07-10-2004, 12:55 AM

if I copied every idea that people hit me up with daily I wouldnt be able to do design for anyone

hahaha

NaughtyJenn · 07-10-2004, 12:55 AM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
would the contract even hold up between separate countries?

I wouldnt really care about 3-5 weeks to be honest, I mean shit, do you think designers sit around knocking off everyone? Fuck, I could have released soooo many sites ahead of the programs I have worked for ;)

if the photoshop "almost done" whats the deal about a designer signing if its done?

a good portion of the photoshop work is done but there still would require a good amount of work needed in regards to layout and tweaking things as it moves towards the final launch.. if i could find an indivdual to do both php and photoshop it would cut 50% of the worries..

and for this i would go with a reputable designer like yourself or eroswebmaster who is already respected and not someone who has already spammed my icq since this thread has started with "I do good design" lol

Fletch XXX · 07-10-2004, 12:57 AM

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Originally posted by NaughtyJenn
a good portion of the photoshop work is done but there still would require a good amount of work needed in regards to layout and tweaking things as it moves towards the final launch.. if i could find an indivdual to do both php and photoshop it would cut 50% of the worries..

and for this i would go with a reputable designer like yourself or eroswebmaster who is already respected and not someone who has already spammed my icq since this thread has started with "I do good design" lol

hehehe

well most designers dont know php, i know i dont.

scripting is for coders, they are VERY DIFFERENT fields ;)

the only thing I can script is rollover colors and scroll bar colors

hahah

eroswebmaster · 07-10-2004, 12:58 AM

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Originally posted by NaughtyJenn

and for this i would go with a reputable designer like yourself or eroswebmaster who is already respected and not someone who has already spammed my icq since this thread has started with "I do good design" lol

vultures out there aren't there?

NaughtyJenn · 07-10-2004, 12:58 AM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster
Not really..however.
I kinda have to go back to Clinton and say it depends upon what the definition of Is IS.

In other words how can I be sure that this is not an idea that is already in the works with another company...a company I already do work for and all of a sudden I can no longer do work for them because of a little piece of paper or I get accused of giving them information on the idea.

I don't know...I understand where you're coming from. I have tons of ideas that I'm afraid to share too.

It's one of those tricky situations where you just have to go out there and see if someone will agree to it.

yeah and i understand the position it puts yourself in.. thats why in this case iwould go with someone respected like i said that the issues of "leaking" it to someone would not be an issue... but i do appreciate the insight and i am looking very forward to working with you on our current project

eroswebmaster · 07-10-2004, 01:00 AM

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and i am looking very forward to working with you on our current project

Looking forward to it too

NaughtyJenn · 07-10-2004, 01:00 AM

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hehehe

well most designers dont know php, i know i dont.

scripting is for coders, they are VERY DIFFERENT fields ;)

the only thing I can script is rollover colors and scroll bar colors

hahah

hrmm good point.. i will definitly have to look into a designer and programmer who can work together (that have worked together in the past) that can do their biz without me having to babysit then..

NaughtyJenn · 07-10-2004, 01:05 AM

i appreciate the insight and thanks.. nice to get some straight answers on gfy once and awhile

eroswebmaster · 07-10-2004, 01:14 AM

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i appreciate the insight and thanks.. nice to get some straight answers on gfy once and awhile

well it's a good topic even if it's something you're not doing now or would never do.

As I stated earlier I totally get where you are coming from on the whole idea issue.

AdultWebGraphics · 07-10-2004, 01:50 AM

I have actually signed a couple of these over the last 4 or so years, one was that the images I got could never be used, another one was that I could not share any info about the project to anyone until it was complete and launched.

Depending on how it is worded and the situation I don't think it would be that big of an issue.

Another thing, how many designers have there own sites/programs? I don't think I would have the time to run one and continue to design. Maybe if the program took off and made lots of money then I could see the designer only designing for themselves and they wouldn?t be doing your stuff to begin with.

Quatermain · 07-10-2004, 02:27 AM

I am used to working under non disclosure scenarios.

I have only had one bad experience relating to the preparing of designs for Microsoft.

Resource material leaked, nixing that opportunity. In the end however everything worked out ok.

I was blind sided though when I woke one day to find tech news outlets reporting with an image that came from my hard drive.

Never underestimate securing your data.

07-10-2004, 12:29 AM	#2
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	non-compete or a "dont steal my idea contract?" non compete kind of covers too much grounds dont you think? if I do work for someone on a Tranny site, I cant make a tranny site? that would suck ; __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

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Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	http://www.ilrg.com/forms/nocompet.html "The term "not compete" as used herein shall mean that the Employee shall not own, manage, operate, consult or to be employed in a business substantially similar to, or competitive with, the present business of the Company or such other business activity in which the Company may substantially engage during the term of employment." __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

07-10-2004, 12:55 AM	#26
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	if I copied every idea that people hit me up with daily I wouldnt be able to do design for anyone hahaha __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

07-10-2004, 12:25 AM	#1
NaughtyJenn Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 7,355	designers and non-compete's i have been sitting on an idea and would require some design/php stuff made for it.. now how many designers would have an issue (as well as programmers) of working on something under a non-compete added into their contract...

07-10-2004, 12:37 AM	#6
NaughtyJenn Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 7,355	true and i understand what your saying but i also would like to protect the site as much as possible (design and programming wise) from having designer #1 going off and creating the same thing while mine is in the works.. thats my big issue.. shit try and copy it once its done i dont care it would be 2 late by then but just dont want the idea/concept leaked or duplicated before its even completed..

07-10-2004, 12:38 AM	#7
The Truth Hurts Zph7YXfjMhg Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In Your Skull Posts: 15,347	^^ what fletch said.

07-10-2004, 12:39 AM	#9
The Truth Hurts Zph7YXfjMhg Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In Your Skull Posts: 15,347	also, chances are no matter what your idea is... it's already been done...

07-10-2004, 12:53 AM	#24
The Truth Hurts Zph7YXfjMhg Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In Your Skull Posts: 15,347	go ahead and post your idea.. i'll promise not to rip it off. and if else anyone does.. you can always refer to this thread to rub their faces in shit for doing so.

07-10-2004, 01:05 AM	#33
NaughtyJenn Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 7,355	i appreciate the insight and thanks.. nice to get some straight answers on gfy once and awhile

07-10-2004, 01:50 AM	#35
AdultWebGraphics Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 980	I have actually signed a couple of these over the last 4 or so years, one was that the images I got could never be used, another one was that I could not share any info about the project to anyone until it was complete and launched. Depending on how it is worded and the situation I don't think it would be that big of an issue. Another thing, how many designers have there own sites/programs? I don't think I would have the time to run one and continue to design. Maybe if the program took off and made lots of money then I could see the designer only designing for themselves and they wouldn?t be doing your stuff to begin with.

07-10-2004, 02:27 AM	#36
Quatermain Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 328	I am used to working under non disclosure scenarios. I have only had one bad experience relating to the preparing of designs for Microsoft. Resource material leaked, nixing that opportunity. In the end however everything worked out ok. I was blind sided though when I woke one day to find tech news outlets reporting with an image that came from my hard drive. Never underestimate securing your data.