Which Counter Stats Do You Trust? - GoFuckYourself.com

liquidmoe · 12-09-2003, 09:16 AM

So I got a porngraph counter, a counted.com (less known but I've liked them for a while) counter, a sextracker counter, and my webalizer stats up and running, and each one is showing me different things. Webalizer shows the most vists, then counted.com, then sextracker, and then porngraph which surprisingly shows about 25% of what the other counters report.

So who do I trust, my main concern is of course possible hit botters before I've been able to weed them out easily based on the differences between UCJ and counted.com stats. UCJ is most in agreement with Webalizer/counted than they are porngraph stats.

Whats most reliable for you? What should I trust, it's not exactly small deviations either if according to porngraph Im only getting 25% of what counted says.

Juicy D. Links · 12-09-2003, 09:29 AM

Try to trade with people you know , people you dont know keep an eye on the trades

Go with your gut, if a new trade seems fishy and it aint looking legit do some research on it.

All counter will have different results that a given.

Also if a trade signs up with no contact info and so on , it rasies a flag at least for me.

Keep in mind also that hitbots these days are getting advanced.
They can go 3-4 levels deep so if a trade you trust looks fishy talk to him cause he might be the one getting fucked and the hits are trickling down all over.

triumph · 12-09-2003, 09:31 AM

porngraph seems pretty good.

GTS Mark · 12-09-2003, 09:32 AM

I've used paycounter for almost 2 years, they seem to be very good.

DH

xxxzoltan · 12-09-2003, 09:34 AM

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Originally posted by DrinkingHard
I've used paycounter for almost 2 years, they seem to be very good.

DH

very good for me, too

InsaneMidget · 12-09-2003, 09:35 AM

I don't trust any, but I use paycounter and sexlist...

Lane · 12-09-2003, 09:39 AM

webalizer is server side, therefore most accurate
it will use the raw apache logs

pornguy · 12-09-2003, 09:39 AM

I have used paycounter and they have great stats and are usually right on with my webalizer... But I never got paid from pay counter????

Oh well...

liquidmoe · 12-09-2003, 09:58 AM

The advice on trades definitely makes sense, I'll be looking to that more. I havent checked out paycounter I may give it a whirl. Overall Im sort of mixed on webalizer because it is pretty good, but I've seen it have a few problems like hot linking and referrer stats being messed up because of it, plus it reports the most visitors out of anybody so I try not to rely on it otherwise I may end up thinking I have more traffic than I actually do.

I think being more careful about my trades and investigating them more is the best route, because if I trust all of my trades I know I wont have hitbotters then if 4 out of 5 stats programs report one figure, and one reports something extremely low like porngraph, then it will just be easier to throw out that low figure on account of some error.

XxXotic · 12-09-2003, 10:00 AM

server logs

PbG · 12-10-2003, 12:21 AM

Webalizer, has proven itself to be consistently reliable. If you have Urchin that's good too.

ElvisManson · 12-10-2003, 12:25 AM

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Originally posted by XxXotic
server logs

The only way to go.

Always count your own outbound hits... calculate your own VPC.

fuzebox · 12-10-2003, 12:41 AM

I track all my inclicks and outclicks live into a database... Wouldn't have it any other way. Totally flexible and always accurate.

Nathan · 12-17-2003, 04:12 PM

Hi,

liquidmoe.... before I can comment on this I would need to know a few things:
1) How big is your site? How many hits are we talking here?
2) We are talking uniques or actual page views?

If you answer me I can give you all the answers

BTW, both the Counted! and the PornGraph software is mine. (Oh, and Counted! does not allow porn ;))

Why · 12-17-2003, 04:13 PM

code your own. then you know for sure its not fucking with you.

12-09-2003, 09:16 AM	#1
liquidmoe Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 4,994	Which Counter Stats Do You Trust? So I got a porngraph counter, a counted.com (less known but I've liked them for a while) counter, a sextracker counter, and my webalizer stats up and running, and each one is showing me different things. Webalizer shows the most vists, then counted.com, then sextracker, and then porngraph which surprisingly shows about 25% of what the other counters report. So who do I trust, my main concern is of course possible hit botters before I've been able to weed them out easily based on the differences between UCJ and counted.com stats. UCJ is most in agreement with Webalizer/counted than they are porngraph stats. Whats most reliable for you? What should I trust, it's not exactly small deviations either if according to porngraph Im only getting 25% of what counted says. __________________ Take Luck!

12-09-2003, 09:39 AM	#7
Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	webalizer is server side, therefore most accurate it will use the raw apache logs __________________

12-09-2003, 09:39 AM	#8
pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,911	I have used paycounter and they have great stats and are usually right on with my webalizer... But I never got paid from pay counter???? Oh well... __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

12-09-2003, 09:58 AM	#9
liquidmoe Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 4,994	The advice on trades definitely makes sense, I'll be looking to that more. I havent checked out paycounter I may give it a whirl. Overall Im sort of mixed on webalizer because it is pretty good, but I've seen it have a few problems like hot linking and referrer stats being messed up because of it, plus it reports the most visitors out of anybody so I try not to rely on it otherwise I may end up thinking I have more traffic than I actually do. I think being more careful about my trades and investigating them more is the best route, because if I trust all of my trades I know I wont have hitbotters then if 4 out of 5 stats programs report one figure, and one reports something extremely low like porngraph, then it will just be easier to throw out that low figure on account of some error. __________________ Take Luck!

12-09-2003, 10:00 AM	#10
XxXotic Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Da Swamps Posts: 8,500	server logs __________________ Sponsors.. Tired of people not using your shitty RSS Feeds? Let Us Help You! Oxeo - Serious Hosting For Serious Webmasters. iCQ:135.887013

12-09-2003, 09:29 AM	#2
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	Try to trade with people you know , people you dont know keep an eye on the trades Go with your gut, if a new trade seems fishy and it aint looking legit do some research on it. All counter will have different results that a given. Also if a trade signs up with no contact info and so on , it rasies a flag at least for me. Keep in mind also that hitbots these days are getting advanced. They can go 3-4 levels deep so if a trade you trust looks fishy talk to him cause he might be the one getting fucked and the hits are trickling down all over.

12-09-2003, 09:31 AM	#3
triumph Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,433	porngraph seems pretty good.

12-09-2003, 09:32 AM	#4
GTS Mark Vrume Mark Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 20,912	I've used paycounter for almost 2 years, they seem to be very good. DH

12-09-2003, 09:35 AM	#6
InsaneMidget Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ontario Posts: 3,767	I don't trust any, but I use paycounter and sexlist...

12-10-2003, 12:21 AM	#11
PbG Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,025	Webalizer, has proven itself to be consistently reliable. If you have Urchin that's good too. __________________ Uncensored-Hosting \| Photography by Gus

12-10-2003, 12:41 AM	#13
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,081	I track all my inclicks and outclicks live into a database... Wouldn't have it any other way. Totally flexible and always accurate.

12-17-2003, 04:12 PM	#14
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	Hi, liquidmoe.... before I can comment on this I would need to know a few things: 1) How big is your site? How many hits are we talking here? 2) We are talking uniques or actual page views? If you answer me I can give you all the answers BTW, both the Counted! and the PornGraph software is mine. (Oh, and Counted! does not allow porn ;)) __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

12-17-2003, 04:13 PM	#15
Why MFBA Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PNW Posts: 7,230	code your own. then you know for sure its not fucking with you.