The Death of the Member's Subscription Site - GoFuckYourself.com

KBPimped · 07-27-2003, 09:53 AM

I have been spending a lot of time researching the effects of the new Visa regulations on the adult Internet industry and as best I can tell the industry is in for a real rough ride with the rumored end to recurring billing.

As a result, the industry will have to start looking for new ways to get new customers, new ways to retain old customers and new technologies that will enable new business models.

Prediction: Token-based PPV Video Sites using DRM will see explosive growth in the next year. Maybe 300% increase in revenue. As customers seek out new forms of entertainment, token based DRM systems will provide them with flexibility in their consumption of digital media while limiting their financial exposure to fraud.

Comments?

stocktrader23 · 07-27-2003, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KBPimped

Comments?

I predict an influx of idiotic posts about something that hasn't happened.

I also predict that all good business men, (unfortunately a large percentage of webmasters aren't) will be fine no matter what.

And finally, I predict Juicy will make 2000 idiotic posts this year and most of them will be funny for some reason.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-27-2003, 10:19 AM

"the industry is in for a real rough ride with the rumored end to recurring billing."

It took alot of research to figure that out?
Welcome to yesterday.

Mutt · 07-27-2003, 10:45 AM

yes the monthly subscription model is collapsing and it just so happens according to you that the only survivors will be the sites who use the technology the company you are pimping for is selling.

do u think surfers are stupid? they're getting smarter every day and you start slapping DRM on movies and charging them per minute they will run in even bigger numbers to Adult Bouncer.

not that there isn't a place for DRM.

<IMX> · 07-27-2003, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by stocktrader23

I also predict that all good business men, (unfortunately a large percentage of webmasters aren't) will be fine no matter what.

Don't you mean fortunately ?

SoBeGirl Video · 07-27-2003, 10:53 AM

Why is it that the same assholes always post negative comments about other people's post?

Just my

KRL · 07-27-2003, 10:54 AM

Business is like surfing, every day a new set of waves to challenge you. If you are a skilled surfer you'll be fine, if not you'll be the dude in Amp's sig.

cherrylula · 07-27-2003, 10:54 AM

Does that mean I won't able to keep my aol subscription?

PR_Dave · 07-27-2003, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cherrylula
Does that mean I won't able to keep my aol subscription?

yeah

socalcash · 07-27-2003, 11:00 AM

I hate to break your heart but as far as I have heard the only people that are not going to be doing recurring are those with high CB ratios...

so...yeah, there is tough times ahead KBpimped if your relating your post towards those that fit into these categories....

I have not heard one thing about the END of recurring from anyone but this message board.

Carrie · 07-27-2003, 11:29 AM

If there comes an end to recurring, just make sure you do your best to keep your members coming back month after month. Good quality, personal service, take requests, something new each day, contests, prizes & incentives for renewing, etc etc.

Some won't come back - but many will if you just make the effort.

And KB, you have an amazing grasp of the obvious.

Scootermuze · 07-27-2003, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by stocktrader23

I predict an influx of idiotic posts about something that hasn't happened.

And as usual.. Instead of trying to look ahead and prepare, People will wait til it DOES happen, and say, "Well damn! What just happened??"

eroswebmaster · 07-27-2003, 11:34 AM

If they try to end recurring you just revamp your join schedule.

Instead of offering just per month, maybe you can offer a discount if they go ahead and register for 3-6 months.

Example:

site charges $19.95 per month.

3 month join ($59.85) @ discounted rate $49.99

6 month join (119.70) @ discounted rate $99.99

hell you could make it even lower.

And as Cassie posted, you'll just have to make sure you cater to these people as what they really are CUSTOMERS! And provide them a product and service that will drive them back to you month after month for as long as you can.

BlackCrayon · 07-27-2003, 11:47 AM

prediction:things never change as much as ppl who love to over react think they will. recurring billing isn't going anywhere unless your site is shit. thats like telling the magazine industry they can no longer take out subscriptions.

jimmyf · 07-27-2003, 11:50 AM

NO more recurring shit then I have 2 contact

Verio (hosting), AT&T (Dial-up), SBC (DSL),
Comcast (Cable Modem), just the ones off the top of my head.
every month and pay. Now that's just a few BIG companies, wonder how many Corp. Visa cards they have, and what kind of fucking hell they would raise with Visa, I wonder how many millions it would cost just the above companies, I wonder how many more people the above companies would have to hire if there was no more recurring billing.

Think if **JUST** the above companies **STOPPED** accepting Visa, how much it would cost Visa.

Some people are so fucking stupid if they had a god dam brain I swear to fucking GOD they would take it out to play with it.

Fucking Pin Head, Mother Fucking, Stupid, Ass Hole, Dip Shit Moron.

There *WILL* be recurring billing when my white ass long gone.

Elli · 07-27-2003, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by eroswebmaster
If they try to end recurring you just revamp your join schedule.

Instead of offering just per month, maybe you can offer a discount if they go ahead and register for 3-6 months.

Example:

site charges $19.95 per month.

3 month join ($59.85) @ discounted rate $49.99

6 month join (119.70) @ discounted rate $99.99

hell you could make it even lower.

And as Cassie posted, you'll just have to make sure you cater to these people as what they really are CUSTOMERS! And provide them a product and service that will drive them back to you month after month for as long as you can.

That's what I've been doing for the past five years. It works great! Most people still buy the monthly option because it's easier to pay less at a time, psychologically, but I do have several year-long members, too. But then, I've never used recurring, either.

tootie · 07-27-2003, 12:05 PM

Jimmy, just a comment, not trying to argue with you... it doesn't have anything to do with recurring billing, just the CC companies in general.

Our car insurance company (one of the major ones) has recently stopped taking credit cards. Pissed us off really badly, but it DID happen. They claimed it was costing them too much money to accept them. Now, I don't know if that was because of chargebacks or just high processing fees or what, because that's the only answer we could get, but we told them that we were going to cancel our policy and contact one of the companies that DID take CC and they said they would take our CC on a case-by-case basis. So basically, they'll still do it if you demand it, but to most cusomters, they simply say no.

The VISA people are assfucking themselves with the world's biggest dildo and they need to get a grip before they tear themselves to pieces. With all these high rates to process, chargeback fees and fines and decreasing CB ratio allowances... pretty soon if they keep adding all this new crap, companies are going to HAVE to look for other alternatives. And if my mainstream big-boy car insurance company does it, who is to follow?

TheGoldenChild · 07-27-2003, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Carrie
If there comes an end to recurring, just make sure you do your best to keep your members coming back month after month. Good quality, personal service, take requests, something new each day, contests, prizes & incentives for renewing, etc etc.

Some won't come back - but many will if you just make the effort.

And KB, you have an amazing grasp of the obvious.

Carrie-

KBizzle =KB

KB Pimped= some idiot.

besterman · 07-27-2003, 01:24 PM

I don't think recurring will go away. There are lots of mainstream internet services that also use recurring. There might be some tweaks such as having to offer non-recurring memberships alongside recurring (in the worst case) but some are doing that now. You see, for the truly great sites with good business models, no amount of VISA/MC changes are going to make any long term difference. But for the poor sites, the sites relying on questionable (though legal) business practices they will lose revenue on chargebacks, poor retention, spam complaints, etc...

Tipsy · 07-27-2003, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video
Why is it that the same assholes always post negative comments about other people's post?

Just my

Because for the most part they are the people with half a clue and can see straight through idiots and spamming assholes?

FlyingIguana · 07-27-2003, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cherrylula
Does that mean I won't able to keep my aol subscription?

aol won't be affected, it'll only be high risk like adult sites that get hit.

socalcash · 07-27-2003, 02:07 PM

MrIguana..

I head from 3 legitimate sources that this is not even in the pipeline.

"aol won't be affected, it'll only be high risk like adult sites that get hit."

Unless u know other wise and want to come out with your source or this your theory...if its your theory...thats fine also.

Tipsy · 07-27-2003, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by socalcash
MrIguana..

I head from 3 legitimate sources that this is not even in the pipeline.

"aol won't be affected, it'll only be high risk like adult sites that get hit."

Unless u know other wise and want to come out with your source or this your theory...if its your theory...thats fine also.

The crazy thing is ISP's are some of the biggest scammers out there. Far worse than 99% of adult sites.

KBPimped · 07-28-2003, 10:01 PM

KB,

I am surprised you can spell idiot you idiot.

Socalcash, it's what I heard and it could be wrong sure. I think the real take away here is that Visa is doing themselves wrong and the backlash is going to affect a wide variety of sites whether you have high CB's or not.

Either way PPV enabled DRM movies using tokens are going to explode and this is not just hype. It's something that everyone here can use to make more money with their business.

skrog · 07-28-2003, 10:03 PM

fuck visa

EscortBiz · 07-28-2003, 10:08 PM

You will see many famous guys in this business get charged with fraud by the DOJ.

So many got used to shaddy billing practices thinking that what they are doing is legal.

They are the ones who caused companies to go under and Visa and Master to attack, they will pay a heavy price.

The sad news is that the way the govt. is going after these people is using a RICO type of charge , meaning that affiliates will be seeing some nice jail time too.

Now again those with their heads up their asses will say WTF am I talking about, but for guys like me who meet face to face with attornys weekly as well as many others we know whats going on.

brand0n · 07-28-2003, 10:11 PM

one of the biggest reasons for high c/bs is the fact 3rd party companys wont despute them, if you sign up to any site, call the billing company and say you didnt do it then they will issue a c/b that simple, who here hasent called ibill testing a site?

EscortBiz · 07-28-2003, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by brand0n
one of the biggest reasons for high c/bs is the fact 3rd party companys wont despute them, if you sign up to any site, call the billing company and say you didnt do it then they will issue a c/b that simple, who here hasent called ibill testing a site?

they will issue a CB? WTF are you smokin or are they mailing CB Radios?

A Credit/Refund is not a CB

Flow · 07-28-2003, 10:29 PM

Not a new concept, nor one that I take credit for, but if rebills did go away, all they CC processors would have to do would be set up a page that the member is taken too when their membership expires that says "CLICK HERE" to renew your membership to this site.

IF rebills did end, so would go the way of free trials and probably the end of trial offers that rebill.

Let's stop being our worst enemy here. Be upfront about what the member is getting. Don't hide that fact that the member will be charged the full amount of the membership unless he/she cancels their membership at least 24 hours early. No wonder charge backs are through the roof!

I would be willing to bet if the paysites that have the straight forward "$XX.XX for a 30 day membership to this site" has a lot lower charge back rate than the "FREE 3-day trial offer" sites do.

Flow

Flow · 07-28-2003, 10:30 PM

Quote:

A Credit/Refund is not a CB

From what I have read on the subject, Visa is going to start concidering a credit/refund just that - a charge back.

EscortBiz · 07-28-2003, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Flow

From what I have read on the subject, Visa is going to start concidering a credit/refund just that - a charge back.

Look what will happen tomorrow noone knows for sure, we are talking as it stands now

EscortBiz · 07-28-2003, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Flow
Not a new concept, nor one that I take credit for, but if rebills did go away, all they CC processors would have to do would be set up a page that the member is taken too when their membership expires that says "CLICK HERE" to renew your membership to this site.

IF rebills did end, so would go the way of free trials and probably the end of trial offers that rebill.

Let's stop being our worst enemy here. Be upfront about what the member is getting. Don't hide that fact that the member will be charged the full amount of the membership unless he/she cancels their membership at least 24 hours early. No wonder charge backs are through the roof!

I would be willing to bet if the paysites that have the straight forward "$XX.XX for a 30 day membership to this site" has a lot lower charge back rate than the "FREE 3-day trial offer" sites do.

Flow

dont you understand that the guys pulling the dirty tricks cant be upfront because their members area is shit, all outdated plugins and some images that some of the models in them are 65 right now

So they are forced to fuck with the surfer at the same time fuck up this industry

nuclei · 07-28-2003, 10:49 PM

Heh, and what are some of you going to do when Visa next imposes the VbV (Verified by Visa) crap on all processors?

Seeing as VbV does not allow recurring at all.....

clubsexy · 07-28-2003, 10:51 PM

Porn will always be around. If you think they will stop the thirst for online porn by changing the way people have to access it, your wrong.

If you post it, link to it, stream it, what ever you do, there is always someone to watch and want the stuff.

The Porn hungry world is the only reason any of this shit matters. They will keep coming, you just have to learn to get the money a new way right?

Ketadream · 07-28-2003, 11:01 PM

I hate to say this cause its kinda biting the hand that feeds, but there are alot of sites that made bucket loads of cash with crappy member area's.

Where talking nothing but plugins or leased content, nothing original nothing exclusive. Why the hell would the members choose to stay.

There business models where designed around fancy tours and hype while the affiliates brought in sign up after sign up after sign up. They did not care one bit about charge back's or member retention...

I personaly belive we are moving into an age of Member Retention being KEY... I truly belive that if your site does not retian you will not be around for much longer. Then again billing hanky panky that can only be described as fraud seriously hurt things to. When you slam a person for a sign up and they get nailed with a 126$ charge due to hidden upsells or cross sells your business model is based on fraud. *and frankly i belive you need to sit in jail for this*

DRM is not the answer, while there are some benifits of using DRM it is not going to save the industry so to speak...

Companies MUST mature...
Retention MUST become key...

IMHO

TheJimmy · 07-28-2003, 11:03 PM

everyone SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I'm trying to rub one out here....

as you were....

EscortBiz · 07-28-2003, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by clubsexy
Porn will always be around. If you think they will stop the thirst for online porn by changing the way people have to access it, your wrong.

If you post it, link to it, stream it, what ever you do, there is always someone to watch and want the stuff.

The Porn hungry world is the only reason any of this shit matters. They will keep coming, you just have to learn to get the money a new way right?

no one is aruging if porn will be around, but if you know whats going on right now you will know that some people in this biz are about to be charged with some crazy shit

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-28-2003, 11:06 PM

I am pretty sure Auto-matic recurr billing will come to end and the future may involve somthing along the lines of a notification to bill the customer for a given subscription period.

It could be via Email, SMS or perhaps other methods.

I am certain automatic recurring will be gone soon.

EscortBiz · 07-28-2003, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AlienQ
I am pretty sure Auto-matic recurr billing will come to end and the future may involve somthing along the lines of a notification to bill the customer for a given subscription period.

It could be via Email, SMS or perhaps other methods.

I am certain automatic recurring will be gone soon.

no it wont, people who abuse it will be gone soon

Kimmykim · 07-28-2003, 11:32 PM

This thread makes me laugh.

Matt_WildCash · 07-28-2003, 11:35 PM

Well lets think about it this way. Everything is happening in steps they are not jumping on everything at once.

What may happen first (if anything happens at all) is that all IPSP's are required to email there customers to tell them they are about to be rebilled and if they don't want to they can cancel HERE.

That will probably happen before Visa decline all auto rebills
(if at all)

Theo · 07-28-2003, 11:35 PM

how many of you have done jail time? You wanted to sell porn bastards HAA Now you'll see.....

PS. I'm only a board poster

chodadog · 07-28-2003, 11:40 PM

Recurring billing is not going anywhere.

skrog · 07-28-2003, 11:40 PM

Suck my dick. Suck my motherfucking dick.

Snake Doctor · 07-28-2003, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
This thread makes me laugh.

Are you laughing because you don't think recurring will ever go away for adult sites?

Or are you laughing at the idiots who think that if you don't produce 8000 gigs of your own exclusive content every month you'll have high chargebacks?

Or are you laughing at me because your e-penis is bigger than mine?

Carrie · 07-29-2003, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kBizzle

Carrie-

KBizzle =KB

KB Pimped= some idiot.

Ahhhh, I seeee
Evidently KBPimped has a more amazing grasp of the obvious than I do, LOL!
/me goes back to insomnia land to hunt for a clue

Kimmykim · 07-29-2003, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lenny2

Are you laughing because you don't think recurring will ever go away for adult sites?

Or are you laughing at the idiots who think that if you don't produce 8000 gigs of your own exclusive content every month you'll have high chargebacks?

Or are you laughing at me because your e-penis is bigger than mine?

The e-penis thing of course my dear. You going to be in Fla?

Snake Doctor · 07-29-2003, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim

The e-penis thing of course my dear. You going to be in Fla?

No I'm not going to make this one. You'll have to wait until Jan in Vegas to dick whip me

12clicks · 07-29-2003, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KBPimped

Prediction: Token-based PPV Video Sites using DRM will see explosive growth in the next year. Maybe 300% increase in revenue.

Comments?

from $100.00 a yr to $300.00?
is that explosive?

Theo · 07-29-2003, 08:26 AM

visa's CEO response about the future of member's susbscription:

"Why should we pay for porn when we can get it for free?

LONG LIVE HUN"

07-27-2003, 09:53 AM	#1
KBPimped Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 86	The Death of the Member's Subscription Site? I have been spending a lot of time researching the effects of the new Visa regulations on the adult Internet industry and as best I can tell the industry is in for a real rough ride with the rumored end to recurring billing. As a result, the industry will have to start looking for new ways to get new customers, new ways to retain old customers and new technologies that will enable new business models. Prediction: Token-based PPV Video Sites using DRM will see explosive growth in the next year. Maybe 300% increase in revenue. As customers seek out new forms of entertainment, token based DRM systems will provide them with flexibility in their consumption of digital media while limiting their financial exposure to fraud. Comments? Last edited by KBPimped; 07-27-2003 at 09:59 AM..

07-27-2003, 10:19 AM	#3
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	"the industry is in for a real rough ride with the rumored end to recurring billing." It took alot of research to figure that out? Welcome to yesterday. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

07-27-2003, 10:45 AM	#4
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	yes the monthly subscription model is collapsing and it just so happens according to you that the only survivors will be the sites who use the technology the company you are pimping for is selling. do u think surfers are stupid? they're getting smarter every day and you start slapping DRM on movies and charging them per minute they will run in even bigger numbers to Adult Bouncer. not that there isn't a place for DRM. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

07-27-2003, 10:54 AM	#7
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07-27-2003, 11:00 AM	#10
socalcash Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: SoCal Posts: 323	I hate to break your heart but as far as I have heard the only people that are not going to be doing recurring are those with high CB ratios... so...yeah, there is tough times ahead KBpimped if your relating your post towards those that fit into these categories.... I have not heard one thing about the END of recurring from anyone but this message board. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

07-27-2003, 10:53 AM	#6
SoBeGirl Video So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Planet earth Posts: 2,493	Why is it that the same assholes always post negative comments about other people's post? Just my

07-27-2003, 10:54 AM	#8
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	Does that mean I won't able to keep my aol subscription?

07-27-2003, 11:29 AM	#11
Carrie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Virgin - nee Posts: 3,162	If there comes an end to recurring, just make sure you do your best to keep your members coming back month after month. Good quality, personal service, take requests, something new each day, contests, prizes & incentives for renewing, etc etc. Some won't come back - but many will if you just make the effort. And KB, you have an amazing grasp of the obvious.

07-27-2003, 11:34 AM	#13
eroswebmaster March 1st, 2003 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seat 4 @ Venetian Poker Room Posts: 20,295	If they try to end recurring you just revamp your join schedule. Instead of offering just per month, maybe you can offer a discount if they go ahead and register for 3-6 months. Example: site charges $19.95 per month. 3 month join ($59.85) @ discounted rate $49.99 6 month join (119.70) @ discounted rate $99.99 hell you could make it even lower. And as Cassie posted, you'll just have to make sure you cater to these people as what they really are CUSTOMERS! And provide them a product and service that will drive them back to you month after month for as long as you can. __________________ For rent - ICQ 127-027-910 Click here for more details

07-27-2003, 11:47 AM	#14
BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	prediction:things never change as much as ppl who love to over react think they will. recurring billing isn't going anywhere unless your site is shit. thats like telling the magazine industry they can no longer take out subscriptions.

07-27-2003, 11:50 AM	#15
jimmyf OU812 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: California Posts: 12,651	NO more recurring shit then I have 2 contact Verio (hosting), AT&T (Dial-up), SBC (DSL), Comcast (Cable Modem), just the ones off the top of my head. every month and pay. Now that's just a few BIG companies, wonder how many Corp. Visa cards they have, and what kind of fucking hell they would raise with Visa, I wonder how many millions it would cost just the above companies, I wonder how many more people the above companies would have to hire if there was no more recurring billing. Think if JUST the above companies STOPPED accepting Visa, how much it would cost Visa. Some people are so fucking stupid if they had a god dam brain I swear to fucking GOD they would take it out to play with it. Fucking Pin Head, Mother Fucking, Stupid, Ass Hole, Dip Shit Moron. There WILL be recurring billing when my white ass long gone. __________________ Epic CashEpic Cash works for me Solar Cash Paysite Plugin Gallery of the day freesites,POTD,Gallery generator with free hosting

07-27-2003, 12:05 PM	#17
tootie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Planet Earp Posts: 6,041	Jimmy, just a comment, not trying to argue with you... it doesn't have anything to do with recurring billing, just the CC companies in general. Our car insurance company (one of the major ones) has recently stopped taking credit cards. Pissed us off really badly, but it DID happen. They claimed it was costing them too much money to accept them. Now, I don't know if that was because of chargebacks or just high processing fees or what, because that's the only answer we could get, but we told them that we were going to cancel our policy and contact one of the companies that DID take CC and they said they would take our CC on a case-by-case basis. So basically, they'll still do it if you demand it, but to most cusomters, they simply say no. The VISA people are assfucking themselves with the world's biggest dildo and they need to get a grip before they tear themselves to pieces. With all these high rates to process, chargeback fees and fines and decreasing CB ratio allowances... pretty soon if they keep adding all this new crap, companies are going to HAVE to look for other alternatives. And if my mainstream big-boy car insurance company does it, who is to follow? __________________

07-27-2003, 01:24 PM	#19
besterman Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 623	I don't think recurring will go away. There are lots of mainstream internet services that also use recurring. There might be some tweaks such as having to offer non-recurring memberships alongside recurring (in the worst case) but some are doing that now. You see, for the truly great sites with good business models, no amount of VISA/MC changes are going to make any long term difference. But for the poor sites, the sites relying on questionable (though legal) business practices they will lose revenue on chargebacks, poor retention, spam complaints, etc...

07-27-2003, 02:07 PM	#22
socalcash Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: SoCal Posts: 323	MrIguana.. I head from 3 legitimate sources that this is not even in the pipeline. "aol won't be affected, it'll only be high risk like adult sites that get hit." Unless u know other wise and want to come out with your source or this your theory...if its your theory...thats fine also. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

07-28-2003, 10:01 PM	#24
KBPimped Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 86	KB, I am surprised you can spell idiot you idiot. Socalcash, it's what I heard and it could be wrong sure. I think the real take away here is that Visa is doing themselves wrong and the backlash is going to affect a wide variety of sites whether you have high CB's or not. Either way PPV enabled DRM movies using tokens are going to explode and this is not just hype. It's something that everyone here can use to make more money with their business.

07-28-2003, 10:03 PM	#25
skrog Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,230	fuck visa __________________ banners, HTML5 banners, Bluray/DVD covers, full page ads, half page ads, headers, logos, 100% responsive galleries, SEO optimization, social media mgmt. skype: skrogdotnet

07-28-2003, 10:08 PM	#26
EscortBiz Fuck Checks, CASH only! Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 19,422	You will see many famous guys in this business get charged with fraud by the DOJ. So many got used to shaddy billing practices thinking that what they are doing is legal. They are the ones who caused companies to go under and Visa and Master to attack, they will pay a heavy price. The sad news is that the way the govt. is going after these people is using a RICO type of charge , meaning that affiliates will be seeing some nice jail time too. Now again those with their heads up their asses will say WTF am I talking about, but for guys like me who meet face to face with attornys weekly as well as many others we know whats going on. __________________ Spanking, Medical Fetish, Sleeping, Strap-on Anal Lesbians, Girls Fucking Guys, Handjob site REAL HOT, Shemales, Anal and Ass Licking sites 100% Real EXCLUSIVE with amazing retention, ccbill payouts, lots of content FREE FTP HOSTING Promote the largest and oldest member paid escort site, Converts 10 times better then any dating site, CCBill payouts ICQ# 158802076

07-28-2003, 10:11 PM	#27
brand0n been very busy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: the queen city Posts: 26,983	one of the biggest reasons for high c/bs is the fact 3rd party companys wont despute them, if you sign up to any site, call the billing company and say you didnt do it then they will issue a c/b that simple, who here hasent called ibill testing a site? __________________ want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

07-28-2003, 10:29 PM	#29
Flow Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 518	Not a new concept, nor one that I take credit for, but if rebills did go away, all they CC processors would have to do would be set up a page that the member is taken too when their membership expires that says "CLICK HERE" to renew your membership to this site. IF rebills did end, so would go the way of free trials and probably the end of trial offers that rebill. Let's stop being our worst enemy here. Be upfront about what the member is getting. Don't hide that fact that the member will be charged the full amount of the membership unless he/she cancels their membership at least 24 hours early. No wonder charge backs are through the roof! I would be willing to bet if the paysites that have the straight forward "$XX.XX for a 30 day membership to this site" has a lot lower charge back rate than the "FREE 3-day trial offer" sites do. Flow

07-28-2003, 10:49 PM	#33
nuclei old school fart Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 1,015	Heh, and what are some of you going to do when Visa next imposes the VbV (Verified by Visa) crap on all processors? Seeing as VbV does not allow recurring at all..... __________________ The next generation of SEO

07-28-2003, 10:51 PM	#34
clubsexy Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Anaheim, CA Posts: 1,630	Porn will always be around. If you think they will stop the thirst for online porn by changing the way people have to access it, your wrong. If you post it, link to it, stream it, what ever you do, there is always someone to watch and want the stuff. The Porn hungry world is the only reason any of this shit matters. They will keep coming, you just have to learn to get the money a new way right? __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

07-28-2003, 11:01 PM	#35
Ketadream Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Austin Posts: 1,373	I hate to say this cause its kinda biting the hand that feeds, but there are alot of sites that made bucket loads of cash with crappy member area's. Where talking nothing but plugins or leased content, nothing original nothing exclusive. Why the hell would the members choose to stay. There business models where designed around fancy tours and hype while the affiliates brought in sign up after sign up after sign up. They did not care one bit about charge back's or member retention... I personaly belive we are moving into an age of Member Retention being KEY... I truly belive that if your site does not retian you will not be around for much longer. Then again billing hanky panky that can only be described as fraud seriously hurt things to. When you slam a person for a sign up and they get nailed with a 126$ charge due to hidden upsells or cross sells your business model is based on fraud. and frankly i belive you need to sit in jail for this DRM is not the answer, while there are some benifits of using DRM it is not going to save the industry so to speak... Companies MUST mature... Retention MUST become key... IMHO __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

07-28-2003, 11:03 PM	#36
TheJimmy ICQ- five seven 0 2 5 5 0 Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 10,747	everyone SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I'm trying to rub one out here.... as you were.... __________________ Investor with 5m - 15m USD to invest. Do you have a site or network of sites earning 50k - 200k a month income? Email your contact and preliminary data to: domain.cashventures (at) gmail.com....Please...no tire kickers...serious offers and inquiries only.

07-28-2003, 11:06 PM	#38
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	I am pretty sure Auto-matic recurr billing will come to end and the future may involve somthing along the lines of a notification to bill the customer for a given subscription period. It could be via Email, SMS or perhaps other methods. I am certain automatic recurring will be gone soon. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

07-28-2003, 11:32 PM	#40
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	This thread makes me laugh.

07-28-2003, 11:35 PM	#41
Matt_WildCash Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,699	Well lets think about it this way. Everything is happening in steps they are not jumping on everything at once. What may happen first (if anything happens at all) is that all IPSP's are required to email there customers to tell them they are about to be rebilled and if they don't want to they can cancel HERE. That will probably happen before Visa decline all auto rebills (if at all)

07-28-2003, 11:35 PM	#42
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	how many of you have done jail time? You wanted to sell porn bastards HAA Now you'll see..... PS. I'm only a board poster

07-28-2003, 11:40 PM	#43
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	Recurring billing is not going anywhere. __________________ 26 + 6 = 1

07-29-2003, 08:26 AM	#50
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	visa's CEO response about the future of member's susbscription: "Why should we pay for porn when we can get it for free? LONG LIVE HUN"