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amacontent · 06-08-2003, 12:12 PM

Please email me or ICQ me if you bought content from him.

wildporno · 06-08-2003, 12:30 PM

why, what's wrong now ?

Juicy D. Links · 06-08-2003, 12:35 PM

should i whip out the canolis and espresso?

amacontent · 06-08-2003, 12:49 PM

ICQ me wildporno, not gonna bash onboard

jact · 06-08-2003, 12:49 PM

amacontent · 06-08-2003, 01:26 PM

Whats up Jact. u like my hockey pics

jact · 06-08-2003, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by amacontent
Whats up Jact. u like my hockey pics

I didn't see them, sorry. Haven't caught up on missed threads, still getting caught up from being at the show.

sarettah · 06-08-2003, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by amacontent
ICQ me wildporno, not gonna bash onboard

Oh c'mon.... hell, bashing Sobitemegirl is as American as apple pie...

Spill it... please

Cindyff · 06-08-2003, 01:46 PM

Paul Markham · 06-08-2003, 01:46 PM

Do I need a cold one and and bag of pop corn for this one?

amacontent · 06-08-2003, 02:01 PM

No pop corn needed Charly.

ServerGenius · 06-08-2003, 02:57 PM

I bought from Sobe quite some months ago. I'm not going to
contact you if you need anything get in touch with me. I've paid
for the content, I have a license if you need me send me an email.
In case you require me to fill out new forms don't bother wasting
time as I won't either.

DynaMite

juice · 06-08-2003, 02:59 PM

yeah, can we know why exactly!?

Snake Doctor · 06-08-2003, 03:43 PM

Do you honestly expect every one of SOBE's customers to contact you on ICQ just because you said so?

And if its really that important that you speak with them all is starting a thread on GFY really the best way to contact them?

How many of SOBE's customer's don't visit GFY? How many of them don't use ICQ? How many of them just don't give a shit that you want to talk to them?

(ok that last one was mean....sorry)

drops · 06-08-2003, 04:01 PM

You guys are really missing the point.

Joe has some very legit reasons for you to respond to him.

Trust me.. It's not a sales pitch.

I would suggest to cover your bases and contact him.

Mutt · 06-08-2003, 04:09 PM

nice attitude DynaSpain.

study law much? IF Sobegirl took it upon himself to screw Joe over and broke a contract by selling you Joe's content for pennies your license from Sobe is worthless and Joe can come after anybody who keeps using his content.

Do you have idea how much time, effort and money it took Joe to shoot that content? Sobe made that content almost worthless to Joe.

Your beef will be with Sobe not Joe.

unless Joe's full of it which I doubt, no way would anybody whos invested that much in shooting content give Sobe the right to sell it for $5 or $10 a vid or whatever price he sold it for.

directfiesta · 06-08-2003, 04:24 PM

That gives me a great idea!!!!

I will let SoBeGirl sell my content cheap. and afterwards I will claim he had no rights to do it!

Make money on two waves: cheap wave then remove or pay again....

Pretty good....

PS: I don't have Sobe or anybody else content. I shoot mine for me and don't sell it... pretty stupid hey???

sarettah · 06-08-2003, 04:26 PM

Eric (sobegirl) defended this situation the other day:

http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index...=1&t=3965&st=0

Mike:

Apparently Eric, the idiot who keeps annoying everyone as SobeGirl, is a thief. He supposedly jack content from another producer named Joe.

Apparently could resell the content for Joe, but had to charge at least $40 per - well Eric starts selling it to everyone for $5 per... So now Joe's content has no value.

I even hear there will be a lawsuit.... it will possibly be extended to everyone who has bought content from SobeGirl...

SO DO NOT BUY HIS CONTENT, IT WOULD BE BUYING A POSSIBLE LAWSUIT!!!!

Eric (sobegirl):

Actually it is not true. I do have permission in writing to sell the content and everything else. Nobody has to worry about anything. Joe is pissed about me selilng the content cheap but he has no legal basis to be anything other than that, just pissed. Joe sold me the content with resale rights but never specified a floor price. Only after I started selilng it did he start making rules for me to follow. Joe did post on several boards that he would sue me if I did not stop but we worked it out. I have a lot of respect for Joe and his work, after all I would not even sell his stuff if I did not.

Mike:

So Eric, you claim you did have the right to resell.... Do you think you screwed him over by lowering the price like you did? Maybe take advantage of him?

Was there anykind of implied price?

Eric (sobegirl):

Not really. I do not believe that any one content provider has the power to do that. And I don't know if you noticed but there is a price war on content these days. You can get gigs and gigs of content now for one tenth of the cost it was one year ago. I looked around and saw that the biz was changing and webmasters want bulk deals at rock bottom prices. Those who have been in biz and survived this hard last year are scoopin it up and they know that when things turn around, and priced come back up, they will be sitting pretty. And we have all sorts of competition from very good producers overseas who can get every thing done much cheaper and this is also beating prices down too. I don't like selling content cheap either. Please note too, that most of the sobegirl site are shots done by me. I did not buy all the content you see on sobegirl from someone else. I made it myself. I am selling my sets for low prices as well. Am I fucking myself? Good question. Only time will tell

sarettah (who also happens to be me..farleyhiggins):

Hmm..well that is not a no and it is not a yes...

As far as not believing that any one content provider has the power, etc... Huh ??? Of course a content provider has the power to set a minimum price with a broker.... What is not to believe ??

So, was there a minimum stated or implied, whether in writing or not ??

Eric (sobegirl):

Finally we have some intellectual conversation in here instead of OHH MY GOSH< ERIK IS A CROOK>> mamma mia....

First of all when I took ownership of the content that I paid for by check and have a copy of that check, I also got the model release forms and photo IDs so I could legally sell it. There was no talk of price I could sell it for at that time. Only after the price war hit like a storm did it come up. So you be the judge. Can I do what I want or not? I say legally yes, personally - do I feel bad if for say, someone goes out of biz becuase of this? NOt really. Remember and this is a very important point. I am selling my content shoots for the same low prices. My shots, the ones that I did and there are more than 200 of those. I am not doing this to get any one. I am doing this becuase I operate in a free market. And the market is much bigger than I am. I cannot control it, I have to work with it.

sarettah:

And you still have conveniently NOT answered my question....

You say you "took ownership" and paid by check.

Do you own the content with reseller rights, or are you brokering the content ?

Was there a minimum price level either explicity spelled out or implied in some manner ?

Did you do up a contract or license agreement detailing the resale or broker agreement ?

And btw... I don't think anyone here could care less if you are fucking yourself over in some manner, that is your right.

Most of us will care if you are fucking someone else over...

You have a chance here to tell your side of the story... You are not using that chance very well at this point...imho...

Eric (sobegirl):

And you still have conveniently NOT answered my question....

You say you "took ownership" and paid by check.

Do you own the content with reseller rights, or are you brokering the content ?

I am not a broker. The original producer does not get royalties from my sales. I have reeseller rights - Yes.

Was there a minimum price level either explicity spelled out or implied in some manner ? Not at the purchase date. Only after content was processed by me and put up for sale.

Did you do up a contract or license agreement detailing the resale or broker agreement ?
Yes, any other questions? All very good ones too. And Like I said I have model rel forms and Photo IDs as well.

SoBeGirl is as legit as always. 3 years in this biz and no complaints and I plan on keeping it that way.

sarettah:

Well, thats not quite true....

Apparently the guy you bought the content from is complaining...

and there were complaints about your business acumen or practices on the flat board...

But, thank you for answering....

I am out of here for the night now...

peace

*********************************************

So joe (amacontent) Sobegirl did not seem to have any qualms about taking this to the boards....

What's your side ?

BJ · 06-08-2003, 04:29 PM

its simple.

would you buy anything from someone who thinks a dodge neon is cool?

Mutt · 06-08-2003, 04:38 PM

well it's going to be an interesting court case. from what i've read there is nothing in Joe's written contract stipulating a minimum price Sobe could sell Joe's content for. But Joe swears there was a telephone conversation and a verbal agreement.

Ethically Sobe stole from Joe. Joe has a content store himself, is is reasonable to think that Joe approved a competitor to undersell him on his own content? Don't think so.

Judge is going to either decide Joe is a naive businessman and tell him he's learned a less the hard way OR he'll decide Sobe is a thief.

PornoDoggy · 06-08-2003, 04:40 PM

If it ain't in writing then that's going to be a tough sell.

SGS · 06-08-2003, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PureMeds
a dodge neon is cool?

amacontent · 06-08-2003, 05:05 PM

Well boys and girls.. SOBE has NOTHING in writing giving him permission to sell my content. If he does, well ask him yo prove it. All scenes he has are with MY company name, ALL of it. If he produces a document it is a forgery. Check for signatures.
I dont know what he is telling you Farley Higgins, but he sent me a Bogus signed contract to try and settle this out of court:
He said he would pay me the money in settlement I asked for if I sent him a copy FEd Ex of a scene he lost that i did for him. Well I Fed Exed the scene to him, then he calls me next day and says deal is off.
http://www.amacontent.com/pics/sobe.jpg

Why would he settle if he knew he had rights to resell.

And Dyna Spain, do as you please. Im offerring to re issue same license to you that he did at no extra charge. I will not fuck with people the way SOBE fucked me.

BTW, thanx Mutt.

Mutt · 06-08-2003, 05:12 PM

are you saying that scan of an agreement between you and Sobe is a complete fabrication, your signature was forged?

jimmyf · 06-08-2003, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PornoDoggy
If it ain't in writing then that's going to be a tough sell.

very tough, I don't think it will fly myself. If they had a contract and it had no price structure, judge will take one look and dismiss it. No lawyer should even take the case unless they want to make some easy money from Joe.

amacontent · 06-08-2003, 05:18 PM

I was all ready to make deal with SOBE, i should re state that he had no permission in writing with a bottom sale price. He knows dam well that we put a cap on this at $40 and he emphatically agreed.
Why would i spend all that dam money and time ( as Mutt pointed out) just to have some schmuck give it away for $5 when im trying to get $40 min each.
And Hes giving my scenes away FREE now i find out. as part of giveaways.

Anyway , if this means that the buyers will have to get involved, I will drop this whole thing. I do not want to fuck with the end user. The webmasters. I will take the loss.

sarettah · 06-08-2003, 05:39 PM

Go after his ass joe/amacontent.....

It does not have to involve the enduser, you can make your own arrangements with them and get the court to tell him he has to pay for what you lost......

Thanks for telling us your side...

xxxdesign-net · 06-08-2003, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by amacontent
I will take the loss.

Thanks, but I dont understand why you didnt say anything during the $5 sale and you let that go...?

Dravyk · 06-08-2003, 05:54 PM

Jimmy I have to agree with you. Farley, go buy a clue.

Quote:

i should re state that he had no permission in writing with a bottom sale price. He knows dam well that we put a cap on this at $40 and he emphatically agreed.

As I posted a few days ago, if was not put in the written contract, well then a bad deal was made, but it was a deal.

I am not talking about ethics here. I am not talking about fairness here. (So let that debate rage on. I'm not touching that aspect.) Nor am I taking sides here. I am talking about legaliies pure and simple.

And when it comes to legalities, I am sorry to say "he should know better" and "but it wasn't in writing" won't past muster in any court. Not only that, it would probably not get past the trial hearing stage, and that's assuming a lawyer could be found to even take it that far.

I'm guessing the contract was not made up by a lawyer. (If it was, it was a really bad one.) Expensive and sad lesson, but always use a good attorney; what might seem to be a lot of money at the time, turns out to be a lot less expensive when things go wrong. It's the only way to conduct business and to protect yourself.

sarettah · 06-08-2003, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by amacontent
[B]I was all ready to make deal with SOBE, i should re state that he had no permission in writing with a bottom sale price. He knows dam well that we put a cap on this at $40 and he emphatically agreed.

Hey Dravyk (this is sarettah btw)

I read this as no agreement... If it just means no agreement on the price, then I agree totally with you...

If it means NO AGREEMENT at all, then Sobe straight out ripped off the content.....

Joe, care to clarify ?

gothweb · 06-08-2003, 06:01 PM

Verbal agreements in addition to written contracts should clearly be ethically binding. They are also legally binding-- though can be very hard to enforce.

Also, a lot of written contracts have a clause saying nothin not stated, whether agreed to or not, counts. That would change the situation.

Jon · 06-08-2003, 06:01 PM

I'd love to see this go to court. It's probably a long time fantasy of Ash-c-r-o-f-t's.

amacontent · 06-08-2003, 06:05 PM

My deal with him was he could resell with a cap of $40. He offerred $20 per set once, and I screamed at him. He promised to not sell below $40 again. Gave me his word.
Then I saw it a $5 a set. Believe me I was battling back and forth with him, didnt see need to post.
Then he pulls the " send me copy fed ex of the scene I lost , and I will sign an agreement to settle out of court" bullshit..... like a schmuck, i send him the tape and less than a day later he changes his mind about the deal.

sarettah · 06-08-2003, 06:10 PM

Sounds like you are too trusting of a soul there Joe...

Sorry to have to say this but,

With what you just posted, I would agree with Dravyk... Cut your losses, chalk it up as a lesson learned.....

It is hard to be an honest nice guy and survive in this business, too many people willing to take advantage of situations....

Dravyk · 06-08-2003, 06:32 PM

Hi Sarreth, sorry if I misread you, buddy.

Yeah, I definitely (unfortunately) agree with your last post there. Nice guys will get it up the ass. If you're going to be a nice guy, keep a frying pan in your shorts when you bend over.

Funny as that sounds, I'm not at all kidding.

sarettah · 06-08-2003, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by amacontent
Well boys and girls.. SOBE has NOTHING in writing giving him permission to sell my content. If he does, well ask him yo prove it.
BTW, thanx Mutt.

Ok, went back... Dravyk, this is where I got the idea that there was NO CONTRACT at all....

If this post is true, then Joe has a pretty good case..imho...

If instead, there is some sort of agreement to sell, but just doesn't name a price, then my last advice to Joe stands...

(I knew I saw the NO CONTRACT somewhere else....)

Maz · 06-08-2003, 07:17 PM

anytime you use a reseller, especially though a verbal agreement, you should

1. handle all the money
2. ship the product yourself

if they decide to start handling the money and shipping themself, then it is blatant stealing, and possibly a criminal, not civil matter

a contract is smart, but sometimes not realistic in this business. sometimes ppl you trust stick it up your ass too.

goBigtime · 06-08-2003, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PureMeds
its simple.

would you buy anything from someone who thinks a dodge neon is cool?

I would think you could get a good deal from someone thrify like that

quiet · 06-08-2003, 07:26 PM

i've bought a little here and there from him before for use as filler. last time was around 8 months ago.

which scenes are in question here? all of them?

Groove · 06-08-2003, 07:40 PM

amacontent, have you voted?

See sig:

prostock · 06-08-2003, 07:51 PM

well the a couple of things i see funny here ,

one SOBEGAY not posting here to some what defend himself ,
and next
Joe claims he doesnt have a contract to sell this , and if this is true alot of people yes can be fucked , so tome i think that SOBEGAY should be showing to all people that he does infact have a FOR REAL LEGAL CONTRACT , i think that would at least help him show some face and upfrontness and maybe make a few people feel better

I my self have talked to Joe many time and seems to be a cool guy , in alot of ways i would take his word , but this is a dog e dog buisness and alot of DOGS here ,
I am sure he is upset over this matter for yes if joe is selling this same stuff on his site well he has killed JOE big time ,
but JOE
you really need to learn to put to a contract what they can sell for so this doesnt happen , i can tell you that Texas is one of the few states that will have a legal bind of this matter , there A MAN WORD IS A MANS word and he would get nailed for this shit ,
i dont think this will win in court if he does infact have a contract , but if he doesnt then you wil own his asss
but again i think you should have just went right to the lawer and nailed his assss and posted to all people you are buying stolen content ,
I myself never saw that happen , so in ways that leads me to belive it isnt , please note not taking sides i cant stand fucking SOBEGAY he drives me nutts with al his email spam shit ........

I just hope alot of makers have learn from this is you have a cap at what it can be sold at have it in writing ,,,, the brokers or resellers you need to make sure of it as well so that this will not happen to you ,
I guess this is one main big reason i only sell and make EXCLUSIVE CONTENT with full rights over to the buyer ,
so i myself dont find myself in this big miss

this is just my

Joe ether way i wish you the best on this matter , and at worse , maybe bit the bullit some , if you want to get him back and steal his buyers then runn some kind of killer sale for al the old sobegay buyers and have them show you where they got from him or somthing and give them a discount to try to build up more buyers and take some from him

sarettah · 06-08-2003, 07:54 PM

sobitmybottomboy just posted this :

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=141183

Brujah · 06-08-2003, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet
i've bought a little here and there from him before for use as filler. last time was around 8 months ago.

which scenes are in question here? all of them?

Anyone ?

Btw, both of you fuckers should clear this shit up before you start playing this stupid game with your customers.

quiet · 06-08-2003, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah

Anyone ?

Btw, both of you fuckers should clear this shit up before you start playing this stupid game with your customers.

no doubt. wtf is going on here?

UnseenWorld · 06-08-2003, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PornoDoggy
If it ain't in writing then that's going to be a tough sell.

If there's NOTHING in writing, then there's nothing to sell!

KRL · 06-08-2003, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by juicylinks
should i whip out the canolis and espresso?

Juicy, you cocksucker. LOL Now you made me hungry for a frickin conoli and you can't find the good ones like up in Philly and New York down here in Florida.

ServerGenius · 06-09-2003, 02:06 AM

There is no issue if Sobe had a right to sell, read the threads.
Joe repeatedly stated to Sobe that he wasn't allowed to sell
under $40 per scene.

Sobe customers don't know this and couldn't have known this.
We just bought the scenes also approx 8 months ago before
all this bullshit started. We actually paid $1000 for 200 scenes
which comes down to $50 per scene.

About lawsuits....there won't be any cause judging the way these
clowns do business and the fact that Joe obviously was in need
of cash when he sold to Sobe I sincerely doubt that either of them
have the $500 to get a lawsuit started.

DynaMite

Trax · 06-09-2003, 02:23 AM

k
not willing to read the whole thread
if there is anything to talk about: i got SOBE content
my icq is in my sig

Trax

the indigo · 06-09-2003, 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DynaSpain
There is no issue if Sobe had a right to sell, read the threads.
Joe repeatedly stated to Sobe that he wasn't allowed to sell
under $40 per scene.

Sobe customers don't know this and couldn't have known this.
We just bought the scenes also approx 8 months ago before
all this bullshit started. We actually paid $1000 for 200 scenes
which comes down to $50 per scene.

About lawsuits....there won't be any cause judging the way these
clowns do business and the fact that Joe obviously was in need
of cash when he sold to Sobe I sincerely doubt that either of them
have the $500 to get a lawsuit started.

DynaMite

$1000 for 200 scenes is $5 per scene on my calculator

ServerGenius · 06-09-2003, 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by the indigo

$1000 for 200 scenes is $5 per scene on my calculator

LOL you're right.....I already couldn't believe we paid $50 for those scenes.....lol how stupid....my bad!

DynaMite

06-08-2003, 12:12 PM	#1
amacontent STANLEY CUP CHAMPION ! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,872	Anyone who bought SOBE content contact me Please email me or ICQ me if you bought content from him. __________________ Joe Loughlin [email protected] TEAM- joeloughlin. Telegram - AMA_JOE https://www.amaproduction.com

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06-08-2003, 02:57 PM	#12
ServerGenius Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 9,377	I bought from Sobe quite some months ago. I'm not going to contact you if you need anything get in touch with me. I've paid for the content, I have a license if you need me send me an email. In case you require me to fill out new forms don't bother wasting time as I won't either. DynaMite __________________ \| http://www.sinnerscash.com/ \| ICQ: 370820 \| Skype: SinnersCash \| AdultWhosWho \|

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06-08-2003, 03:43 PM	#14
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06-08-2003, 04:09 PM	#16
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	nice attitude DynaSpain. study law much? IF Sobegirl took it upon himself to screw Joe over and broke a contract by selling you Joe's content for pennies your license from Sobe is worthless and Joe can come after anybody who keeps using his content. Do you have idea how much time, effort and money it took Joe to shoot that content? Sobe made that content almost worthless to Joe. Your beef will be with Sobe not Joe. unless Joe's full of it which I doubt, no way would anybody whos invested that much in shooting content give Sobe the right to sell it for $5 or $10 a vid or whatever price he sold it for. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

06-08-2003, 04:24 PM	#17
directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 29,630	That gives me a great idea!!!! I will let SoBeGirl sell my content cheap. and afterwards I will claim he had no rights to do it! Make money on two waves: cheap wave then remove or pay again.... Pretty good.... PS: I don't have Sobe or anybody else content. I shoot mine for me and don't sell it... pretty stupid hey??? __________________ I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT ! But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

06-08-2003, 04:26 PM	#18
sarettah see you later, I'm gone Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 14,108	Eric (sobegirl) defended this situation the other day: http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index...=1&t=3965&st=0 Mike: Apparently Eric, the idiot who keeps annoying everyone as SobeGirl, is a thief. He supposedly jack content from another producer named Joe. Apparently could resell the content for Joe, but had to charge at least $40 per - well Eric starts selling it to everyone for $5 per... So now Joe's content has no value. I even hear there will be a lawsuit.... it will possibly be extended to everyone who has bought content from SobeGirl... SO DO NOT BUY HIS CONTENT, IT WOULD BE BUYING A POSSIBLE LAWSUIT!!!! Eric (sobegirl): Actually it is not true. I do have permission in writing to sell the content and everything else. Nobody has to worry about anything. Joe is pissed about me selilng the content cheap but he has no legal basis to be anything other than that, just pissed. Joe sold me the content with resale rights but never specified a floor price. Only after I started selilng it did he start making rules for me to follow. Joe did post on several boards that he would sue me if I did not stop but we worked it out. I have a lot of respect for Joe and his work, after all I would not even sell his stuff if I did not. Mike: So Eric, you claim you did have the right to resell.... Do you think you screwed him over by lowering the price like you did? Maybe take advantage of him? Was there anykind of implied price? Eric (sobegirl): Not really. I do not believe that any one content provider has the power to do that. And I don't know if you noticed but there is a price war on content these days. You can get gigs and gigs of content now for one tenth of the cost it was one year ago. I looked around and saw that the biz was changing and webmasters want bulk deals at rock bottom prices. Those who have been in biz and survived this hard last year are scoopin it up and they know that when things turn around, and priced come back up, they will be sitting pretty. And we have all sorts of competition from very good producers overseas who can get every thing done much cheaper and this is also beating prices down too. I don't like selling content cheap either. Please note too, that most of the sobegirl site are shots done by me. I did not buy all the content you see on sobegirl from someone else. I made it myself. I am selling my sets for low prices as well. Am I fucking myself? Good question. Only time will tell sarettah (who also happens to be me..farleyhiggins): Hmm..well that is not a no and it is not a yes... As far as not believing that any one content provider has the power, etc... Huh ??? Of course a content provider has the power to set a minimum price with a broker.... What is not to believe ?? So, was there a minimum stated or implied, whether in writing or not ?? Eric (sobegirl): Finally we have some intellectual conversation in here instead of OHH MY GOSH< ERIK IS A CROOK>> mamma mia.... First of all when I took ownership of the content that I paid for by check and have a copy of that check, I also got the model release forms and photo IDs so I could legally sell it. There was no talk of price I could sell it for at that time. Only after the price war hit like a storm did it come up. So you be the judge. Can I do what I want or not? I say legally yes, personally - do I feel bad if for say, someone goes out of biz becuase of this? NOt really. Remember and this is a very important point. I am selling my content shoots for the same low prices. My shots, the ones that I did and there are more than 200 of those. I am not doing this to get any one. I am doing this becuase I operate in a free market. And the market is much bigger than I am. I cannot control it, I have to work with it. sarettah: And you still have conveniently NOT answered my question.... You say you "took ownership" and paid by check. Do you own the content with reseller rights, or are you brokering the content ? Was there a minimum price level either explicity spelled out or implied in some manner ? Did you do up a contract or license agreement detailing the resale or broker agreement ? And btw... I don't think anyone here could care less if you are fucking yourself over in some manner, that is your right. Most of us will care if you are fucking someone else over... You have a chance here to tell your side of the story... You are not using that chance very well at this point...imho... Eric (sobegirl): And you still have conveniently NOT answered my question.... You say you "took ownership" and paid by check. Do you own the content with reseller rights, or are you brokering the content ? I am not a broker. The original producer does not get royalties from my sales. I have reeseller rights - Yes. Was there a minimum price level either explicity spelled out or implied in some manner ? Not at the purchase date. Only after content was processed by me and put up for sale. Did you do up a contract or license agreement detailing the resale or broker agreement ? Yes, any other questions? All very good ones too. And Like I said I have model rel forms and Photo IDs as well. SoBeGirl is as legit as always. 3 years in this biz and no complaints and I plan on keeping it that way. sarettah: Well, thats not quite true.... Apparently the guy you bought the content from is complaining... and there were complaints about your business acumen or practices on the flat board... But, thank you for answering.... I am out of here for the night now... peace ********************************************* So joe (amacontent) Sobegirl did not seem to have any qualms about taking this to the boards.... What's your side ? __________________ All cookies cleared!

06-08-2003, 04:29 PM	#19
BJ Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: asia Posts: 5,590	its simple. would you buy anything from someone who thinks a dodge neon is cool?

06-08-2003, 04:38 PM	#20
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	well it's going to be an interesting court case. from what i've read there is nothing in Joe's written contract stipulating a minimum price Sobe could sell Joe's content for. But Joe swears there was a telephone conversation and a verbal agreement. Ethically Sobe stole from Joe. Joe has a content store himself, is is reasonable to think that Joe approved a competitor to undersell him on his own content? Don't think so. Judge is going to either decide Joe is a naive businessman and tell him he's learned a less the hard way OR he'll decide Sobe is a thief. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

06-08-2003, 04:40 PM	#21
PornoDoggy Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,053	If it ain't in writing then that's going to be a tough sell.

06-08-2003, 05:05 PM	#23
amacontent STANLEY CUP CHAMPION ! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,872	Well boys and girls.. SOBE has NOTHING in writing giving him permission to sell my content. If he does, well ask him yo prove it. All scenes he has are with MY company name, ALL of it. If he produces a document it is a forgery. Check for signatures. I dont know what he is telling you Farley Higgins, but he sent me a Bogus signed contract to try and settle this out of court: He said he would pay me the money in settlement I asked for if I sent him a copy FEd Ex of a scene he lost that i did for him. Well I Fed Exed the scene to him, then he calls me next day and says deal is off. http://www.amacontent.com/pics/sobe.jpg Why would he settle if he knew he had rights to resell. And Dyna Spain, do as you please. Im offerring to re issue same license to you that he did at no extra charge. I will not fuck with people the way SOBE fucked me. BTW, thanx Mutt. __________________ Joe Loughlin [email protected] TEAM- joeloughlin. Telegram - AMA_JOE https://www.amaproduction.com

06-08-2003, 05:12 PM	#24
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	are you saying that scan of an agreement between you and Sobe is a complete fabrication, your signature was forged? __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

06-08-2003, 05:18 PM	#26
amacontent STANLEY CUP CHAMPION ! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,872	I was all ready to make deal with SOBE, i should re state that he had no permission in writing with a bottom sale price. He knows dam well that we put a cap on this at $40 and he emphatically agreed. Why would i spend all that dam money and time ( as Mutt pointed out) just to have some schmuck give it away for $5 when im trying to get $40 min each. And Hes giving my scenes away FREE now i find out. as part of giveaways. Anyway , if this means that the buyers will have to get involved, I will drop this whole thing. I do not want to fuck with the end user. The webmasters. I will take the loss. __________________ Joe Loughlin [email protected] TEAM- joeloughlin. Telegram - AMA_JOE https://www.amaproduction.com

06-08-2003, 05:39 PM	#27
sarettah see you later, I'm gone Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 14,108	Go after his ass joe/amacontent..... It does not have to involve the enduser, you can make your own arrangements with them and get the court to tell him he has to pay for what you lost...... Thanks for telling us your side... __________________ All cookies cleared!

06-08-2003, 06:01 PM	#31
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	Verbal agreements in addition to written contracts should clearly be ethically binding. They are also legally binding-- though can be very hard to enforce. Also, a lot of written contracts have a clause saying nothin not stated, whether agreed to or not, counts. That would change the situation. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

06-08-2003, 06:01 PM	#32
Jon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 2,578	I'd love to see this go to court. It's probably a long time fantasy of Ash-c-r-o-f-t's. __________________ WickedFire.com - Stay here. We don't need more of you. Not unless you have money, then, fine...

06-08-2003, 06:05 PM	#33
amacontent STANLEY CUP CHAMPION ! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,872	My deal with him was he could resell with a cap of $40. He offerred $20 per set once, and I screamed at him. He promised to not sell below $40 again. Gave me his word. Then I saw it a $5 a set. Believe me I was battling back and forth with him, didnt see need to post. Then he pulls the " send me copy fed ex of the scene I lost , and I will sign an agreement to settle out of court" bullshit..... like a schmuck, i send him the tape and less than a day later he changes his mind about the deal. __________________ Joe Loughlin [email protected] TEAM- joeloughlin. Telegram - AMA_JOE https://www.amaproduction.com

06-08-2003, 06:10 PM	#34
sarettah see you later, I'm gone Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 14,108	Sounds like you are too trusting of a soul there Joe... Sorry to have to say this but, With what you just posted, I would agree with Dravyk... Cut your losses, chalk it up as a lesson learned..... It is hard to be an honest nice guy and survive in this business, too many people willing to take advantage of situations.... __________________ All cookies cleared!

06-08-2003, 06:32 PM	#35
Dravyk Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Yo, Philly! Posts: 1,202	Hi Sarreth, sorry if I misread you, buddy. Yeah, I definitely (unfortunately) agree with your last post there. Nice guys will get it up the ass. If you're going to be a nice guy, keep a frying pan in your shorts when you bend over. Funny as that sounds, I'm not at all kidding. __________________ All Of 'Em

06-08-2003, 07:17 PM	#37
Maz Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ft Myers, FL Posts: 135	anytime you use a reseller, especially though a verbal agreement, you should 1. handle all the money 2. ship the product yourself if they decide to start handling the money and shipping themself, then it is blatant stealing, and possibly a criminal, not civil matter a contract is smart, but sometimes not realistic in this business. sometimes ppl you trust stick it up your ass too. __________________ t-minus whenever it feels right

06-08-2003, 07:26 PM	#39
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	i've bought a little here and there from him before for use as filler. last time was around 8 months ago. which scenes are in question here? all of them?

06-08-2003, 07:40 PM	#40
Groove Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,852	amacontent, have you voted? See sig:

06-08-2003, 07:51 PM	#41
prostock On probation Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: not telling you , the exwife might find me Posts: 4,160	well the a couple of things i see funny here , one SOBEGAY not posting here to some what defend himself , and next Joe claims he doesnt have a contract to sell this , and if this is true alot of people yes can be fucked , so tome i think that SOBEGAY should be showing to all people that he does infact have a FOR REAL LEGAL CONTRACT , i think that would at least help him show some face and upfrontness and maybe make a few people feel better I my self have talked to Joe many time and seems to be a cool guy , in alot of ways i would take his word , but this is a dog e dog buisness and alot of DOGS here , I am sure he is upset over this matter for yes if joe is selling this same stuff on his site well he has killed JOE big time , but JOE you really need to learn to put to a contract what they can sell for so this doesnt happen , i can tell you that Texas is one of the few states that will have a legal bind of this matter , there A MAN WORD IS A MANS word and he would get nailed for this shit , i dont think this will win in court if he does infact have a contract , but if he doesnt then you wil own his asss but again i think you should have just went right to the lawer and nailed his assss and posted to all people you are buying stolen content , I myself never saw that happen , so in ways that leads me to belive it isnt , please note not taking sides i cant stand fucking SOBEGAY he drives me nutts with al his email spam shit ........ I just hope alot of makers have learn from this is you have a cap at what it can be sold at have it in writing ,,,, the brokers or resellers you need to make sure of it as well so that this will not happen to you , I guess this is one main big reason i only sell and make EXCLUSIVE CONTENT with full rights over to the buyer , so i myself dont find myself in this big miss this is just my Joe ether way i wish you the best on this matter , and at worse , maybe bit the bullit some , if you want to get him back and steal his buyers then runn some kind of killer sale for al the old sobegay buyers and have them show you where they got from him or somthing and give them a discount to try to build up more buyers and take some from him __________________ ICQ # :158519717

06-08-2003, 07:54 PM	#42
sarettah see you later, I'm gone Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 14,108	sobitmybottomboy just posted this : http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=141183 __________________ All cookies cleared!

06-09-2003, 02:06 AM	#47
ServerGenius Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 9,377	There is no issue if Sobe had a right to sell, read the threads. Joe repeatedly stated to Sobe that he wasn't allowed to sell under $40 per scene. Sobe customers don't know this and couldn't have known this. We just bought the scenes also approx 8 months ago before all this bullshit started. We actually paid $1000 for 200 scenes which comes down to $50 per scene. About lawsuits....there won't be any cause judging the way these clowns do business and the fact that Joe obviously was in need of cash when he sold to Sobe I sincerely doubt that either of them have the $500 to get a lawsuit started. DynaMite __________________ \| http://www.sinnerscash.com/ \| ICQ: 370820 \| Skype: SinnersCash \| AdultWhosWho \|

06-09-2003, 02:23 AM	#48
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	k not willing to read the whole thread if there is anything to talk about: i got SOBE content my icq is in my sig Trax