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webbastard · 03-06-2003, 10:52 PM

Goddamn!

Here's some results from a recent traffic buy. I purchased approx 9100 uniques and got ZERO conversions... Here's the galleries and traffic delivered.
WTF am I doing wrong here?

Gallery URL (Click link for details) Uniques Raws Proxy Adjusted Total
http://www.googalleries.com/pics/Tee...php?rid=pp2637 1607 1676 0 1607
http://www.googalleries.com/pics/Lez...php?rid=pp2637 1661 1723 0 1661
http://www.googalleries.com/pics/I_K...php?rid=pp2637 1651 1729 0 1651
http://www.googalleries.com/pics/Gan...php?rid=pp2637 1649 1721 0 1649
http://www.googalleries.com/pics/Ass...php?rid=pp2637 1635 1701 0 1635

Thrawn$ · 03-06-2003, 10:53 PM

where You buy traffic ??

Snake Doctor · 03-06-2003, 10:58 PM

Saying that you're converting 0 in 9100 is a bit misleading don't you think?
You've had 9100 hits to galleries, not 9100 clicks to a paysite tour. (so you're probably 0 in 90)

Not getting a sale in 9100 uniques isn't uncommon. (Hell, most of the galleries I see when reviewing would be lucky to get a sale per 50K uniques)
Also, if you're buying traffic from TGP's, sponsor hosted galleries like those aren't very good to use, they've been around, the surfers have seen them before and they'll just hit the back button to try and find something new.

webbastard · 03-06-2003, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Thrawn$
where You buy traffic ??

I hate to say because they are nice and I'm not really trying to start shit here... I'm just trying to see WTF I'm doing wrong.
From my own humble TGP page these sites were converting at 1:118 and now with purchased traffic they're nopt converting at all. 0:9100

detoxed · 03-06-2003, 10:58 PM

Is that traffic to the galleries or to the links on the galleries?

Would you pay to join a site when you can see everything from start to DP to cumshot in the preview? Try more softcore.

detoxed · 03-06-2003, 10:59 PM

Well tell us how much you paid?

Gutterboy · 03-06-2003, 11:00 PM

Was it adbuytraffic.com? If so, its not you thats doing anything wrong.

p00p · 03-06-2003, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by webbastard

I hate to say because they are nice and I'm not really trying to start shit here... I'm just trying to see WTF I'm doing wrong.
From my own humble TGP page these sites were converting at 1:118 and now with purchased traffic they're nopt converting at all. 0:9100

Read what Lenny said. There is a huge difference between hits and clicks. I would only buy traffic based on clicks.

webbastard · 03-06-2003, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lenny2
Saying that you're converting 0 in 9100 is a bit misleading don't you think?
You've had 9100 hits to galleries, not 9100 clicks to a paysite tour. (so you're probably 0 in 90)

Not getting a sale in 9100 uniques isn't uncommon. (Hell, most of the galleries I see when reviewing would be lucky to get a sale per 50K uniques)
Also, if you're buying traffic from TGP's, sponsor hosted galleries like those aren't very good to use, they've been around, the surfers have seen them before and they'll just hit the back button to try and find something new.

Okay...so no conversions from 9100 uniques is not uncommon. Wow. Actually these are sponsored galleries so they have been converting very nicely.

But if others agree with you Lenny2 that 9100 unniques should only about 90 join page click throughs...That makes some sense.

Thrawn$ · 03-06-2003, 11:05 PM

So you got 9100 visit to your gallerie right?

webbastard · 03-06-2003, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by p00p

Read what Lenny said. There is a huge difference between hits and clicks. I would only buy traffic based on clicks.

No no... I purchased Unique Visitors...

9100 unique visitors from spotbrokers for $15.00

The traffic was sent directly to the galleries you see linked above. Not to a link list.. I spead the traffic across 5 or six sites at about 1600 uniques to each gallery.

Snake Doctor · 03-06-2003, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by webbastard

I hate to say because they are nice and I'm not really trying to start shit here... I'm just trying to see WTF I'm doing wrong.
From my own humble TGP page these sites were converting at 1:118 and now with purchased traffic they're nopt converting at all. 0:9100

From the look of the stats you posted I'd say its spotbrokers traffic, but you have to remember hits they send to a gallery and hits you send to the tour are 2 totally different things.

Goo Girls converts pretty good, but you have to compare apples to apples when counting clicks.

And again, I'd build galleries that looked different than the hosted ones you're using. The TGP's you're getting traffic from have probably listed those exact same galleries a handful of times already. Something unique will get you a lot more click throughs.

Gman.357 · 03-06-2003, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by webbastard

No no... I purchased Unique Visitors...

9100 unique visitors from spotbrokers for $15.00

The traffic was sent directly to the galleries you see linked above. Not to a link list.. I spead the traffic across 5 or six sites at about 1600 uniques to each gallery.

I don't see why you're complaining. 9100 is not a lot of gallery traffic. $15 is not a lot of money.

DyannaDoes · 03-06-2003, 11:11 PM

PERHAPS it could be that you are using pictures to advertise movies . . .

Gutterboy · 03-06-2003, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by webbastard
Okay...so no conversions from 9100 uniques is not uncommon. Wow. Actually these are sponsored galleries so they have been converting very nicely.

Most people will get click through ratio's of 2% on TGP's. To score a sale with 9100 uniques, you'd have to convert at less than 1:200. The words "converting very nicely" when used to describe gallery traffic do not mean "converting at 1:190 consistently" More like "converting at 1:325 consistently"

Conversions do not always come at a gradual, steady rate. I've got a SexKey site that converts signup page clicks at around 1:35. I got 190 clicks this payperiod before getting 3 sales in about 10 clicks.

In order to get a feel for how a site is going to convert with TGP traffic over a long period of time, I'd say 200,000 uniques to the gallery is not unreasonable.

Morgan · 03-06-2003, 11:16 PM

If you like promoting that niche, try my site. its fresh.

webbastard · 03-06-2003, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gman.357

I don't see why you're complaining. 9100 is not a lot of gallery traffic. $15 is not a lot of money.

Yes sure 15 bucks is nothing. But what should be a realiztic goal?

1:25000 ($40)

1:50000 ($80)

1:100000 ($150)

I'm here to learn. That's why I ask questions. If anyone cares to post any helpful information or any realistic numbers to expect I'm all ears.

MonkeyMan · 03-06-2003, 11:17 PM

haha I've done 1:9000 on actual tour clicks and your bitching about not getting a sale on 9000 gallery visitors.

It cost my ass about 200$ to make my first sale. (only becasue I started with a dedicated server and a dream)

My tip would be don't buy traffic to hosted galleries.... Theres nothing special about them thats going to make the serfer convert UNLESS the program is brand new and people havent seen the content before.

webbastard · 03-06-2003, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gutterboy

Most people will get click through ratio's of 2% on TGP's. To score a sale with 9100 uniques, you'd have to convert at less than 1:200. The words "converting very nicely" when used to describe gallery traffic do not mean "converting at 1:190 consistently" More like "converting at 1:325 consistently"

Conversions do not always come at a gradual, steady rate. I've got a SexKey site that converts signup page clicks at around 1:35. I got 190 clicks this payperiod before getting 3 sales in about 10 clicks.

In order to get a feel for how a site is going to convert with TGP traffic over a long period of time, I'd say 200,000 uniques to the gallery is not unreasonable.

Very cool. Thank you Gutterboy. That's kind of what I was looking for... It's basically what Lenny2 said also... It takes a shitpile of tgp traffic to get a small amount of join page clicks. So to expect 1:400 or so I'd have to shoot to deliver 300K-400K uniques to the galleries.

Sounds reasonable...expensive. but reasonable!

Dj Furious · 03-06-2003, 11:25 PM

about 1-2% of the traffic to a gallery accually clicks thru.. right?

so 2% of 9100 is about 182 click thrus?

therefore you are 0:182... right?

how many of the 9100 hits are clicking thru in your stats??

webbastard · 03-06-2003, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MonkeyMan
haha I've done 1:9000 on actual tour clicks and your bitching about not getting a sale on 9000 gallery visitors.

It cost my ass about 200$ to make my first sale. (only becasue I started with a dedicated server and a dream)

My tip would be don't buy traffic to hosted galleries.... Theres nothing special about them thats going to make the serfer convert UNLESS the program is brand new and people havent seen the content before.

Okay okay. Thanks MonkeyMan
I get it.

I'm comming at this from the wrong viewpoint.

Problems:
1. Using mixed galleries to promote a movie site.
2. Using "tired old" hosted galleries with paid traffic
3. Unreasonable expectations (Should expect to spend $200 to make one sale and earn $20)

Thanks to everyone. I'm learning.

Morgan · 03-06-2003, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MonkeyMan

My tip would be don't buy traffic to hosted galleries.... Theres nothing special about them thats going to make the serfer convert UNLESS the program is brand new and people havent seen the content before.

MonkeyMan · 03-06-2003, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by webbastard
3. Unreasonable expectations (Should expect to spend $200 to make one sale and earn $20)

haha.... Not really.... But it takes more work if you dont want to invest. I.E. Hand Submitting a bunch of galleries to a lot of TGPS

Quote:

Originally posted by Ganjasaurus

I'm gussing swallow it all has some new hosted galleries?

webbastard · 03-06-2003, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MonkeyMan

haha.... Not really.... But it takes more work if you dont want to invest. I.E. Hand Submitting a bunch of galleries to a lot of TGPS

lol - hey I don't mind investing...I come from a conventional business world. I'm just noty sure that I should:

Make original galleries, tighten up my content to be fresh and compelling and then expect to spend $100-$200 to send 100,000 uniques visitors to a gallery to be able to reasonably expect one or two conversions.

I've been doing it the hard way as you mentioned and that does work. I was just trying to break into the traffic buying world to sort of accelerate things a bit. Now I'm not sure why I would buy traffic.

webbastard · 03-06-2003, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MonkeyMan
I'm gussing swallow it all has some new hosted galleries?

Yes goddaminit. I'm going sign up right now for some fresh galleries... lol.

Thanks again for the info MM!

Snake Doctor · 03-06-2003, 11:49 PM

How about that, a guy starts a thread to complain about his ratios, gets advice, listens to it, and thanks people for it.

I can't remember that ever happening on this board....

p00p · 03-06-2003, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lenny2
How about that, a guy starts a thread to complain about his ratios, gets advice, listens to it, and thanks people for it.

I can't remember that ever happening on this board....

I actually thought your advice was pretty good.

MonkeyMan · 03-06-2003, 11:51 PM

Group HUG!!!!

Gutterboy · 03-06-2003, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by webbastard
Now I'm not sure why I would buy traffic.

You would buy when you've got a site of your own which converts far enough above the average to give you a healthy ROI on paid traffic. The site would probably be an original site with exclusive content, or some hook that creates the illusion of exclusivity.

Then you devote yourself to buying as much traffic as you can find, as well as constantly seeking out new sources and continually tweaking for better conversions / clickthroughs / retention.

Backov · 03-07-2003, 12:48 AM

You fellows have advised this guy well. ;>

I'll agree with pretty much all of the points here.. I don't recommend anyone buy our traffic to send to sponsor hosted galleries unless they're brand new ones. The surfers have seen it all before.

I remember when I used to do somewhat crappy TGP galleries, I would generally do about 1 sale for every 10k gallery hits, but that was a while ago, and I suck at galleries. ;>

Webbastard - there are lots of good reasons to buy traffic. However, that said you'll get burned if you don't know how to convert that traffic.

Cheers,
Backov

SleazyDream · 03-07-2003, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by webbastard

No no... I purchased Unique Visitors...

9100 unique visitors from spotbrokers for $15.00

The traffic was sent directly to the galleries you see linked above. Not to a link list.. I spead the traffic across 5 or six sites at about 1600 uniques to each gallery.

let me get this straight. You only SPENT $15 and you're complaining about not getting any sales??????????????

FUCK.

Gman.357 · 03-07-2003, 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

let me get this straight. You only SPENT $15 and you're complaining about not getting any sales??????????????

FUCK.

That's what I said. Then he has the nerve to ask if something is wrong.

Tuga · 03-07-2003, 02:15 AM

How sweet it would be if $15 would bring lots of sales

ilsoph · 03-07-2003, 02:52 AM

most of the points touched on here are valid... i'd only like to add one more: not all traffic is created equal

that's how traffic houses, ppc engines, etc make money.. they attempt to quantify traffic.. and they make money on the difference..

$15 for 9100 uniques is dirt cheap for highly targetted, qualified traffic.. you should expect double digit ratios.. however, its extremely expensive for TGP/MGP traffic..

if you were getting highly qualified, targetted traffic, even a gallery thrown together by a blind monkey could convert well...

moral of the story: u need to know the quality of the traffic you're paying for..

Shoplifter · 03-07-2003, 04:10 AM

Spotbrokers does seem a bit pricey. How specific is the traffic for niche and what are it's sources?

Those Googirls galleries are pretty generic...It would be hard to get too much out of them. How long did it take to burn through your 9k uniques?

Morgan · 03-07-2003, 04:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by webbastard

Yes goddaminit. I'm going sign up right now for some fresh galleries... lol.

Thanks again for the info MM!

actually, they are about 2 weeks old.

how's http://stabbincabin.com/ doin for ya??

JayJay · 03-07-2003, 04:23 AM

Strange they normally convert for me at about 1:90

the indigo · 03-07-2003, 05:02 AM

I don't understand why people still look at conversions ratios.

Look, 1 signup in 15,000 galleries uniques on "average TGP traffic" is pretty good.

Most people need more than 35,000 gallery uniques to get one sell. I think it's more like 1:50,000 now... did not submit for ages.

So you are 0:9,000.... big deal. Wait until you have 100,000 uniques minimum, then go back to mcdonald. We don't need more gallery submitters

03-06-2003, 10:52 PM	#1
webbastard Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 19	Converting at 0:9100 - What's wrong? Goddamn! Here's some results from a recent traffic buy. I purchased approx 9100 uniques and got ZERO conversions... Here's the galleries and traffic delivered. WTF am I doing wrong here? Gallery URL (Click link for details) Uniques Raws Proxy Adjusted Total http://www.googalleries.com/pics/Tee...php?rid=pp2637 1607 1676 0 1607 http://www.googalleries.com/pics/Lez...php?rid=pp2637 1661 1723 0 1661 http://www.googalleries.com/pics/I_K...php?rid=pp2637 1651 1729 0 1651 http://www.googalleries.com/pics/Gan...php?rid=pp2637 1649 1721 0 1649 http://www.googalleries.com/pics/Ass...php?rid=pp2637 1635 1701 0 1635 __________________ da WebBastard

03-06-2003, 10:53 PM	#2
Thrawn$ Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Mtl Posts: 4,596	where You buy traffic ?? __________________ Tracking 202 \| Start Tracking PPC Campaigns Like A Pro

03-06-2003, 10:58 PM	#3
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	Saying that you're converting 0 in 9100 is a bit misleading don't you think? You've had 9100 hits to galleries, not 9100 clicks to a paysite tour. (so you're probably 0 in 90) Not getting a sale in 9100 uniques isn't uncommon. (Hell, most of the galleries I see when reviewing would be lucky to get a sale per 50K uniques) Also, if you're buying traffic from TGP's, sponsor hosted galleries like those aren't very good to use, they've been around, the surfers have seen them before and they'll just hit the back button to try and find something new. __________________ sig too big

03-06-2003, 11:05 PM	#10
Thrawn$ Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Mtl Posts: 4,596	So you got 9100 visit to your gallerie right? __________________ Tracking 202 \| Start Tracking PPC Campaigns Like A Pro

03-06-2003, 11:11 PM	#14
DyannaDoes Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 212	PERHAPS it could be that you are using pictures to advertise movies . . . __________________ "Profanity is the inevitable linguistic crutch of the inarticulate motherfucker."

03-06-2003, 10:58 PM	#5
detoxed vip member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,798	Is that traffic to the galleries or to the links on the galleries? Would you pay to join a site when you can see everything from start to DP to cumshot in the preview? Try more softcore.

03-06-2003, 10:59 PM	#6
detoxed vip member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,798	Well tell us how much you paid?

03-06-2003, 11:00 PM	#7
Gutterboy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Dis Posts: 4,751	Was it adbuytraffic.com? If so, its not you thats doing anything wrong.

03-06-2003, 11:16 PM	#16
Morgan Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Corona Del Mar, CA Posts: 10,520	If you like promoting that niche, try my site. its fresh. __________________ PornstarPlatinum.com \| TransErotica.com

03-06-2003, 11:17 PM	#18
MonkeyMan So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New York.... Not the city... Up north further. Its about a six hour drive to the city from here. I don't like the city much. The air is not as clean, but they do have better strip clubs. Posts: 1,026	haha I've done 1:9000 on actual tour clicks and your bitching about not getting a sale on 9000 gallery visitors. It cost my ass about 200$ to make my first sale. (only becasue I started with a dedicated server and a dream) My tip would be don't buy traffic to hosted galleries.... Theres nothing special about them thats going to make the serfer convert UNLESS the program is brand new and people havent seen the content before.

03-06-2003, 11:25 PM	#20
Dj Furious Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Living the life of diamonds and guns Posts: 505	about 1-2% of the traffic to a gallery accually clicks thru.. right? so 2% of 9100 is about 182 click thrus? therefore you are 0:182... right? how many of the 9100 hits are clicking thru in your stats?? __________________ <a href="http://www.pornkings.com/default.php?id=800443" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.easymack.com/pornkings.jpg" width="377" height="32" border="0"></a> Start using a fucking quality sponsor.. one that converts at 1:25 - <a href="http://www.pornkings.com/default.php?id=800443" target="_blank">Porn Kings</a> - Insane Conversions

03-06-2003, 11:49 PM	#26
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	How about that, a guy starts a thread to complain about his ratios, gets advice, listens to it, and thanks people for it. I can't remember that ever happening on this board.... __________________ sig too big

03-06-2003, 11:51 PM	#28
MonkeyMan So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New York.... Not the city... Up north further. Its about a six hour drive to the city from here. I don't like the city much. The air is not as clean, but they do have better strip clubs. Posts: 1,026	Group HUG!!!!

03-07-2003, 12:48 AM	#30
Backov Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Cat Detector Van Posts: 1,600	You fellows have advised this guy well. ;> I'll agree with pretty much all of the points here.. I don't recommend anyone buy our traffic to send to sponsor hosted galleries unless they're brand new ones. The surfers have seen it all before. I remember when I used to do somewhat crappy TGP galleries, I would generally do about 1 sale for every 10k gallery hits, but that was a while ago, and I suck at galleries. ;> Webbastard - there are lots of good reasons to buy traffic. However, that said you'll get burned if you don't know how to convert that traffic. Cheers, Backov __________________ <embed src="http://banners.spotbrokers.com/button.swf" FlashVars="clickURL=http://banners.spotbrokers.com" quality=high pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="120" height="60"></embed>

03-07-2003, 02:15 AM	#33
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03-07-2003, 02:52 AM	#34
ilsoph Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 225	most of the points touched on here are valid... i'd only like to add one more: not all traffic is created equal that's how traffic houses, ppc engines, etc make money.. they attempt to quantify traffic.. and they make money on the difference.. $15 for 9100 uniques is dirt cheap for highly targetted, qualified traffic.. you should expect double digit ratios.. however, its extremely expensive for TGP/MGP traffic.. if you were getting highly qualified, targetted traffic, even a gallery thrown together by a blind monkey could convert well... moral of the story: u need to know the quality of the traffic you're paying for..

03-07-2003, 04:10 AM	#35
Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,726	Spotbrokers does seem a bit pricey. How specific is the traffic for niche and what are it's sources? Those Googirls galleries are pretty generic...It would be hard to get too much out of them. How long did it take to burn through your 9k uniques?

03-07-2003, 04:23 AM	#37
JayJay Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 3,739	Strange they normally convert for me at about 1:90

03-07-2003, 05:02 AM	#38
the indigo Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: North America Posts: 2,016	I don't understand why people still look at conversions ratios. Look, 1 signup in 15,000 galleries uniques on "average TGP traffic" is pretty good. Most people need more than 35,000 gallery uniques to get one sell. I think it's more like 1:50,000 now... did not submit for ages. So you are 0:9,000.... big deal. Wait until you have 100,000 uniques minimum, then go back to mcdonald. We don't need more gallery submitters