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Old 03-01-2014, 06:49 AM   #1
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Your favorite wine

I have got a little extra $$$ need to fill up our wine room and I have 700 more slots that are empty. Any suggestions on your favorite wine and why would be greatly appreciated.
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South Australia has several fantastic Shiraz wines. Just about any of the mid-priced Shiraz from either the McLaren Vale or Barossa Valley regions of South Australia are very good. The Shiraz from the Hunter Valley region are also a good choice. Even the lower priced Shiraz varieties from these regions are pretty damn good.

I also think New Zealand and Oregon produce a very nice Pinot Noir wine.

Wine is pretty much a personal thing though... what one likes and raves about is not necessarily what someone else appreciates. If you enjoy wine, it may not be a bad idea to visit some local wine stores and inquire if they have a "Taster's Night" or regular event as then you get to sample a variety prior to purchase.
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South Island New Zealand Pinot - Something from Central Otago...

Whites from around Nelson are good as well - No good for the cellar though.....
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Local white wine named FORCE!

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Anything less 10Eur. Reason - I do not see the difference. Although not surprising as I drank whole total of 1L of wine during my lifetime I just do not feel this drink, not my cup of taste.
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Local white wine named FORCE!

Too bad you can't buy it somewhere
This kind of "wine" is available in many countries. Usually in the plastic bottle
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Château Lynch Bages 1989 auctions for around $300 a bottle on the French e-bay site

I purchased 36 cases about 20 years ago for $290.00 a case so its a good return on investment if i sold them now !!
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Château Lynch Bages 1989 auctions for around $300 a bottle on the French e-bay site

I purchased 36 cases about 20 years ago for $290.00 a case so its a good return on investment if i sold them now !!
How can you know if certain wine will be super expensive over time? I mean that could be actually good investment.
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How can you know if certain wine will be super expensive over time? I mean that could be actually good investment.
Check Christies and Sotheby's auction sites for past sales prices to get a trend. Obviously not all years are good but Lynch Barge's 1983,1986 , Chateau Latour 1955, Chateau Mouton-Rothschild 1986. are all great years..


http://www.llauctions.com is a good place to see what wine sells for

ps. i don't buy wine to resell, i buy it to drink, i have enough now to last me two lifetimes drinking a bottle every day !!
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In Australia, the hunter valley has great wines.

Brokenwood - love their whites.

Australia again - Margaret river is a good region for great wines.

NZ.- Marlborough region and you pretty much cannot go wrong.

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Check Christies and Sotheby's auction sites for past sales prices to get a trend. Obviously not all years are good but Lynch Barge's 1983,1986 , Chateau Latour 1955, Chateau Mouton-Rothschild 1986. are all great years..


http://www.llauctions.com is a good place to see what wine sells for

ps. i don't buy wine to resell, i buy it to drink, i have enough now to last me two lifetimes drinking a bottle every day !!
Well if you have more than you could drink already why not to profit from some bottles?
And why are some years so good and some are not? I mean is there an actual HUGE bdifference that makes same 30$ bottle of year X worth 300$ when same wine of year X+1 is still worth only 30$? Can there be such a huge difference in taste? I am guessing some part of snobism is included in the whole picture.
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Well if you have more than you could drink already why not to profit from some bottles?
And why are some years so good and some are not? I mean is there an actual HUGE bdifference that makes same 30$ bottle of year X worth 300$ when same wine of year X+1 is still worth only 30$? Can there be such a huge difference in taste? I am guessing some part of snobism is included in the whole picture.
I agree a little of the cost is due to wine snobs pushing up the prices. The taste of wine is not for everybody but if you like the taste then there is a huge difference in taste from a good year to a poor year. Weather has a vast part to play in the taste as well as the rarity. A very wet year may produce great grapes but very few, making the few bottles produced worth 10 to 20 times the regular price.
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I agree a little of the cost is due to wine snobs pushing up the prices. The taste of wine is not for everybody but if you like the taste then there is a huge difference in taste from a good year to a poor year. Weather has a vast part to play in the taste as well as the rarity. A very wet year may produce great grapes but very few, making the few bottles produced worth 10 to 20 times the regular price.
So when is it established that wine of that year is good? I mean - at the very beginning the same wine is going for regular price and then suddenly (or after years) in spikes in price. Why can not they tell if it is good from the very beginning? And spike the price from the very first day?
Somehow it takes them years to realize that wine from certain years was good and only then when it is "announced" that wine goes up in price?

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So when is it established that wine of that year is good? I mean - at the very beginning the same wine is going for regular price and then suddenly (or after years) in spikes in price. Why can not they tell if it is good from the very beginning? And spike the price from the very first day?
Somehow it takes them years to realize that wine from certain years was good and only then when it is "announced" that wine goes up in price?
Not true at all - Good wine is good wine - It is good the first time someone tastes it...

What you are talking about is pretentious assholes - People who like wine do not listen to them.....
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So when is it established that wine of that year is good? I mean - at the very beginning the same wine is going for regular price and then suddenly (or after years) in spikes in price. Why can not they tell if it is good from the very beginning? And spike the price from the very first day?
Somehow it takes them years to realize that wine from certain years was good and only then when it is "announced" that wine goes up in price?
Price is determined by many factors. Everything from the cost of the grapes, since certain vineyards are in better locations, or are older vines. Some grapes have lower yields or are more prone to disease, or inclement weather. Some methods of making wine.

Generally what allows wines to stay relatively price neutral from year to year, is that in times of good weather, they have more volume of quality grapes to make great wine, vs in off years where there would be less grapes used to maintain the quality and integrity of the product. They have to allow for some variance in quality, and can't keep changing the price year to year.

Sometimes price is raised because demand for the product rises and they can justify a price hike, or a wine gains acclaim by a notable magazine etc. The oddest reason ever, came when I was buying wine for a restaurant years ago. It was at a Californian Wine institute tasting, they were pushing the '94 vintage, and '95's were in barrel. I met this one winemaker with an exceptional cabernet. He was relatively new and I asked him how much his wine sold for, and he grinned and said "if you had asked me that last year, I would have said $28/bottle, this year, it's $100" It was a bargain at the $28, and it certainly stood up to the $100 cabs, but more profound was his justification on why he changed the price. Apparently at $28, he couldn't move any volume. It didn't get any traction at that price point. After raising the price to $100, he sold all of the current vintage, plus the remnant stock from the previous vintage. He was happy selling it for the lower price, and made great money off of it. But as I have found with certain groups of wine snobs, the higher price gives off an assumption of quality.

What I think your post may be directed at, are mainly Bordeaux being sold "en Premiere" while it's still in the barrel. Based on how the growing season went and what the harvest was like, wine buyers speculate on what the quality of the wine before it's bottled. Similar to wines like Port, where only in certain years with they Declare a vintage worthy of making Vintage port. Declarations used to be more infrequent, but since the 90's only about 30% of vintages have not been made.

In the new world wines, prices are far more stable.
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Price is determined by many factors. Everything from the cost of the grapes, since certain vineyards are in better locations, or are older vines. Some grapes have lower yields or are more prone to disease, or inclement weather. Some methods of making wine.

Generally what allows wines to stay relatively price neutral from year to year, is that in times of good weather, they have more volume of quality grapes to make great wine, vs in off years where there would be less grapes used to maintain the quality and integrity of the product. They have to allow for some variance in quality, and can't keep changing the price year to year.

Sometimes price is raised because demand for the product rises and they can justify a price hike, or a wine gains acclaim by a notable magazine etc. The oddest reason ever, came when I was buying wine for a restaurant years ago. It was at a Californian Wine institute tasting, they were pushing the '94 vintage, and '95's were in barrel. I met this one winemaker with an exceptional cabernet. He was relatively new and I asked him how much his wine sold for, and he grinned and said "if you had asked me that last year, I would have said $28/bottle, this year, it's $100" It was a bargain at the $28, and it certainly stood up to the $100 cabs, but more profound was his justification on why he changed the price. Apparently at $28, he couldn't move any volume. It didn't get any traction at that price point. After raising the price to $100, he sold all of the current vintage, plus the remnant stock from the previous vintage. He was happy selling it for the lower price, and made great money off of it. But as I have found with certain groups of wine snobs, the higher price gives off an assumption of quality.

What I think your post may be directed at, are mainly Bordeaux being sold "en Premiere" while it's still in the barrel. Based on how the growing season went and what the harvest was like, wine buyers speculate on what the quality of the wine before it's bottled. Similar to wines like Port, where only in certain years with they Declare a vintage worthy of making Vintage port. Declarations used to be more infrequent, but since the 90's only about 30% of vintages have not been made.

In the new world wines, prices are far more stable.
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I purchased 36 cases about 20 years ago for $290.00 a case so its a good return on investment if i sold them now !!
When exactly the price goes up?
Wouldn't they know from the beginning that the wine was good and that it would spike up in price over years? And then they could say to the buyers: This wine is great, buy ALL the bottles and earn huge profit by reselling them years later.
This is what I am not sure about... There must be certain point when they "draw a conclusion" that certain year was good and should be more expensive.
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Old 03-14-2014, 12:45 PM   #40
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I'm a big fan of full dry wines, my favorite are petite syrahs
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Sounds fair, but for example:



When exactly the price goes up?
Wouldn't they know from the beginning that the wine was good and that it would spike up in price over years? And then they could say to the buyers: This wine is great, buy ALL the bottles and earn huge profit by reselling them years later.
This is what I am not sure about... There must be certain point when they "draw a conclusion" that certain year was good and should be more expensive.
In that case, when you are buying the current year's vintage upon release, 88 and 89 both great vintages, but at the time, everyone was still raving about the 82 and 83 vintages which have been among the greatest ever for that century. Now, some of the exceptional" vintages over the years, have waned. They are perhaps beyond drinking and are fading, or those prices have increased as well. In those cases, people start turning the the later vintages that are starting to become more accessible (not everyone wants to buy wine on release that might not be ready to drink for another 15-20 years, and you have to have a decent place to store it, vibration free, specific temperatures, and humidity levels) In this specific case, its about timing, supply and demand.

Edit: I should add that in the early 90's there was a wine "Boom" like no other, new money from Japan, drove up pricing exponentially. I remember stories about people mixing Chateau Margaux with Coke, just because they could. Sacrilege!
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Bordeaux 2005 or earlier
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Old 03-15-2014, 12:19 PM   #44
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Charles Shaw wine, also known as Two Buck Chuck
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Château Loudenne Médoc is very good
Will try this
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1982 Bordeaux Pomerol or Pauillac. Any red wine you drink after that will be a disapointment.
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I cook a lot of Italian food, and my favorite red wine to accompany a bolognese or pasta fagioli is Marchesi Antinori Badia a Passignano Riserva, Chianti Classico. A 2008 bottle will cost around $35.
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I use this for cooking. It's cheap and it does the job.
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