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Badmaash · 01-10-2014, 09:53 AM

Which one?

http://www.businesszone.co.uk/topic/...-or-made/55263

Lets discuss.......

happyending · 01-10-2014, 09:54 AM

I was Born than I made money...

Mediamix · 01-10-2014, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by happyending

I was Born than I made money...

Nottingtonbase · 01-10-2014, 10:26 AM

born to make money....

_Richard_ · 01-10-2014, 10:40 AM

both!

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Mickey_ · 01-10-2014, 10:59 AM

Both.

In my opinion there are a certain set of essential characteristics that have to be present (willing to take risk, the ability to see 'the big picture' without getting lost in details, willing to sacrifice short term, ability to persuade, strong inner drive, dreaming big, believing in your own ideas, hard work, willingness to go against the grain, etc.) but from there on it's a constant journey of learning and honing your skills.

And yes, there are always exceptions - entrepreneurs that are nothing like what you've learned about/know (or think you know) about what it takes to be a successful entrepreneur.

Ju$th00kuP · 01-10-2014, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mickey_

Both.

In my opinion there are a certain set of essential characteristics that have to be present (willing to take risk, the ability to see 'the big picture' without getting lost in details, willing to sacrifice short term, ability to persuade, strong inner drive, dreaming big, believing in your own ideas, hard work, willingness to go against the grain, etc.) but from there on it's a constant journey of learning and honing your skills.

And yes, there are always exceptions - entrepreneurs that are nothing like what you've learned about/know (or think you know) about what it takes to be a successful entrepreneur.

Well said

JockoHomo · 01-10-2014, 11:48 AM

Nature vs nurture...in some cases one or the other and in others a mix of both. Neither is totally absolute in this case.

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Lykos · 01-10-2014, 11:23 PM

I think born....

Spunky · 01-10-2014, 11:33 PM

Hunger will make the man.Depends on how bad you want it

marlboroack · 01-10-2014, 11:42 PM

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Hunger will make the man.Depends on how bad you want it

Nice

Rochard · 01-11-2014, 10:32 AM

Made.

It's simple. If Bill Gates was born in Africa, he would have never had seen a computer. It's his life experiances that made him what he is today. If Bill Gates was born in Africa, his life experiances would have been vastly different.

TheSquealer · 01-11-2014, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Made.

It's simple. If Bill Gates was born in Africa, he would have never had seen a computer. It's his life experiances that made him what he is today. If Bill Gates was born in Africa, his life experiances would have been vastly different.

And if you "saw a computer" at his age, you'd then become Bill Gates?

ErectMedia · 01-11-2014, 11:19 AM

Both

some people are born with a natural drive

some people due to their circumstances say fuck this and create the drive to lift themselves up

oppoten · 01-11-2014, 11:33 AM

I think a lot of it has to do with confidence in your own ability.

Difficult background and disability can be as much a hindrance as a help. I guess it depends on the person.

Minte · 01-11-2014, 03:30 PM

It's both. The gene pool gives that internal thing needed to get out there and do whatever needs to happen to achieve the set goal. The environment you put yourself in does the rest. And putting yourself in the right environment isn't all luck.

MrGusMuller · 01-11-2014, 03:57 PM

Born.

Markul · 01-11-2014, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mickey_

Both.

In my opinion there are a certain set of essential characteristics that have to be present (willing to take risk, the ability to see 'the big picture' without getting lost in details, willing to sacrifice short term, ability to persuade, strong inner drive, dreaming big, believing in your own ideas, hard work, willingness to go against the grain, etc.) but from there on it's a constant journey of learning and honing your skills.

And yes, there are always exceptions - entrepreneurs that are nothing like what you've learned about/know (or think you know) about what it takes to be a successful entrepreneur.

Well said indeed

ajapub · 01-12-2014, 06:06 AM

Born and made

mightyjoe · 01-12-2014, 06:26 AM

my question is do adult webmasters are entrepreneurs?

Badmaash · 01-12-2014, 07:15 AM

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my question is do adult webmasters are entrepreneurs?

If you find a gap in the market then yes, otherwise no

Jel · 01-12-2014, 07:17 AM

who cares

JFK · 01-12-2014, 07:20 AM

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who cares

Seems like quite a few do

Great answer Mickey

tony286 · 01-12-2014, 07:28 AM

http://www.amazon.com/The-Illusions-...repreneur+myth a good read on the subject.

Most entrepreneurs arent millionaires, dont create alot of jobs but people that created jobs for themselves who tend to not work well for others.

Jel · 01-12-2014, 07:36 AM

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Seems like quite a few do

Great answer Mickey

sorry, that probably didn't come across how I meant it - what I meant was: does it matter how, as long as there are. I think everyone self-employed counts as entrepeneurial, which is good in my book

and fwiw, yep agree with Mickey

johnnyloadproductions · 01-12-2014, 08:41 AM

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?What is the main difference between the self-educated people I?ve featured all throughout the book?who have enjoyed massive success in their lives?and the majority of other people, who are wondering how to bring more success, happiness, and achievement into their lives?
It all boils down to one thing. They?ve chosen to do whatever it takes to create the lives that they want, including exercising the effort and initiative to figure out what ?whatever it takes? is. What they didn?t do is sit around, waiting for someone else to feed them the answer, give them the right opportunity, make things safe or easy for them, give them some ?Fail-Safe, Guaranteed Plan of Action,? or give them permission or authorization or the right credentials to get started figuring what needs to get done, and getting it done.?

Michael Ellsberg summed it up pretty well in his book "The education of Millionaires."

TheSquealer · 01-12-2014, 09:34 AM

Discussion and debate aside, there is zero doubt in neurology and psychology that who we our, our personality traits and who we become are a combination of both genetics and environment. In the last 2 decades, twin studies have proven conclusively that our basic personality traits, our basal level of happiness and contentment, our basic sense of drive and determination, the strength of our will and character are largely determined by genes. Babies are not, and never have been "blank slates" as people believed decades ago. In fact, babies are born with insane amount of knowledge of the world around them as well as social skills.

Environment and life experience does not do a great deal to shape personality, but it can play a minor or even major role, depending on ones experience. Living through a war and seeing your communities bombed, friends and neighbors killed would likely have an impact on shaping how your personality develops whereas just living day to day as anyone else, going to school, going home, playing with friends etc etc etc has very little influence.

Psychopathic personality traits as an example, are among the most heritable of mental disorders. Most psychopaths function perfectly well in society and are all around us. Asking if "being psychotic makes you a serial killer" is quite easily answered with a resounding "no", though most serial killers or those who commit seriously violent crimes are psychopaths. Environment plays a role larger than the disorder as they adapt and learn to function perfectly fine... though most would be judged as assholes and not people you'd likely befriend.

My point is that can't simplify things honestly by identifying a single factor and saying "that's it" when its just not factually true and science has shown conclusively for decades now that is clearly not the case. Having opportunity doesn't mean one is more likely to be a businessman as we all have opportunity. Having advantages such as a wealthy family, does not make one more likely to be successful as having those advantages typically correlates to lower drive or perceived need to strive for more. In fact, once a persons basic needs are met (or perceived to be met), they are generally content.

We all have opportunity
We all have a basic genetic wiring to strive for more
We all have different levels of intelligence
We all have different ability (largely by choice)
We don't all "want it" to the same degree

You are all sitting here typing... all presumably self employed. Of all of us, I was probably the only one that was up for until 3am the 4th night in a row working. Not because "i am fortunate enough to have opportunity" but because I have a plan that I have been rigidly following to hit my income goals with PPC. While I creep closer and closer to 6 figures a day again and am surpassing my goals, most are on this forum complaining about the world being unfair.

It's not a coincidence that I do not complain about anything being unfair. It's not a coincidence that I do not blame others. It's not a coincidence that I accept 100% responsibility for myself, my income, my success while others can't stop blaming Reagan or Bush or God or whatever. It's not a coincidence that so many super wealthy people came from complete poverty.

TheSquealer · 01-12-2014, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

http://www.amazon.com/The-Illusions-...repreneur+myth a good read on the subject.

Most entrepreneurs arent millionaires, dont create alot of jobs but people that created jobs for themselves who tend to not work well for others.

Leave it to you to cite a book where 40% of reviews are negative. I can certainly see why you'd find it a "good read" - as it really is just a shitty book that represents well, your personal narrative.

Also funny that you'd spend so much time defending small business and entrepreneurs as it pertains to Obama's policy of helping small business as they create most of the jobs, then argue the opposite when it too, fits your personal life narrative of anyone doing better than you is a bad person, of "rich vs poor", of successful people being parasites, of successful people being greedy and so on.

tony286 · 01-12-2014, 12:33 PM

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Leave it to you to cite a book where 40% of reviews are negative. I can certainly see why you'd find it a "good read" - as it really is just a shitty book that represents well, your personal narrative.

Also funny that you'd spend so much time defending small business and entrepreneurs as it pertains to Obama's policy of helping small business as they create most of the jobs, then argue the opposite when it too, fits your personal life narrative of anyone doing better than you is a bad person, of "rich vs poor", of successful people being parasites, of successful people being greedy and so on.

Please give me, four examples where I defended obama's policy for helping small business? You wont find them.
You dont know me and I dont think anyone doing better than me is a bad person but you have to say that because its the only way to fit your narrative. The book is right, porn is a prime example : most in adult work for themselves and if you look at their work histories before porn,they didnt have the best work history or had problem being told what to do. Most entrepreneurs are one man operations and not millionaires there is nothing wrong with that. I can see 40 percent not liking what the book says because it doesn't follow the fantasy.

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