Paul Markham

I see affiliates often asking for access to the interior of a site if they promote it.

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BradBreakfast

I used to request access before affiliate programs even thought of distributing video promos for affiliates. Now it's common place.

The affiliate programs I like the best offer a 30 second to 3 minute mp4 promotional video and NOT a bunch of clips I have to mesh together. Makes it easier just to have one decent length promo clip, and also don't make the frame size too small. Make sure it's at least 720. Editors and tube scripts can always downsize it if need be but video does not look good at all upscaled.

We're in the Web 2.0 era so please distribute high resolution promotional photos with the video too. At least 1000 px wide.

The Ghost

Very few affiliates ask for this. Few look in the members area. Or look at the tour. Or the join page of who they promote

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Don't be silly. Paul has said they do. So they do.

And then they steal your content and upload it to tube sites.

Damn them all to hell.

Great thread.

porno jew

damn paul cracked the code. there goes that whole business model.

bns666

i ask that from time to time, one of the reasons is that i pick photos for promotion which are not in fhgs which everybody will use and the second reason is i want to check the product i am advertising myself.

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Paul Markham

That's very sad and probably if most of them looked they wouldn't know if the site was worth pushing or not. Which is sadder for the industry as a whole.

I know for $30 an affiliate can take what he wants. Still that's piracy. Putting up a full length video, and having a link on the Tube for the sponsor, makes it all legal. Ethical or moral isn't something going to worry some.

Then it's full steam selling ad space and other forms of adult entertainment.

I've had a few and with all we have in the affiliates area I say no. Still see the posts where affiliates are asking for it, which made me think about it.

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Dirty Dane

Ripoffs won't work well, but with some agreements about licens and limitations, custom promotions work much better than the default affiliates area. If the affiliate can create and offer something more or less unique, he will put more time and effort into the promotion of the sponsor. Both will gain from that

CamTraffic

If was in the Tube biz i would just get a trial to get that content.

i always ask for a UserName password...If they refuse, i don't promote them period.
Way too many shitty Member Areas nowadays with TONS of upsells and traffic leaks

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Socks

Why would they bother when every scene is on the newsgroups.

1994 technology Paul, you should feel right at home there.

NaughtyVisions

Ban all affiliates from using any media to promote programs. Back in the magazine days, publishers sold their mags by the text blurbs on the cover. Using pictures and videos to sell memberships to a site containing pictures and videos is giving too much away for free. All affiliates should be required to push traffic using only keyword rich text.

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lucas131

can i have access please? i am starting new tgp and want to put up there full galleries from your site, even if i will be making bank, i really dont have 30 usd to steal it without letting you know ... oh, man, have a nice weekend

Manowar

Anyone who chooses to send traffic to my site is working with me and should be considered a partner. As part of that partnership I am more than happy to give them full access to my members area... it's only right your affiliates should know what they are promoting and trying to make money with, especially if they are revshare.

If they have the respect for you and want to promote your program, why not work with them?

Affiliates asking for 5-10minute video clips for tubes is different to full members are tube site rippers / Surfers. I'd rather work with other webmasters than against them.

baryl

I like to look in the members area just to judge if it's something that's going to bring in a lot of rebills or not.

porno jew

as an aside when i was kid i was too young to buy porn mags so i would shoplift from from woolco and shoppers. i was the original porn pirate.

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biskoppen

I really dont think the $24.95 matters much if you wanna rip a complete site for a tube

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alextokyo

So limit the login to a certain number of IPs (this should be in place anyway) and set transfer limit for their specific IP and/or username.

Fortunately it's not something that YOU have to worry about, since your content is so bad that thieves won't take it for free. Somehow surfers just don't buy into the idea that a couple of 30 year old Slavic girls grinning like Cheshire Cats (with one hovering 2 inches away from the other's vagina) are "real 18 year old lesbians". Don't even get me started on the same crappy flat-pack furniture you've been using for the past 20 years. And the lighting... looks like you invited Sirius over for a cup of tea.

Paul Markham

Ripoffs won't work well to get traffic.

It's all about getting tons of free content to get traffic to sell ad space or send to dating, cams, penis pill sites as an affiliate. But thanks for the reply.

But it's good point about affiliates sticking to the terms of use.

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LouiseLloyd

I think allowing access to a members area for affiliates who have already sent some sales is vital, it will allow us to grab and create some custom promo content that hasn't already saturated the free sites, it also gives an affiliate an idea of the product they are promoting, some members areas are just dreadful and offer nothing, well nothing you couldn't spend a few seconds googling and getting for free (usually via a tube!), so a good members area with model interactivity is (usually) great for affiliates to see so they know where to focus their promo and watch the rebills add up.

Tube sites are a great method of promotion when done properly, using promo content and following the sponsors terms of promo, a tube site offers easy to navigate and view solutions that most surfers know and love, but I also agree with Paul, as an affiliate it really is unfair to see tube sites full of full length movies and practically a full members area for free then see a bunch of ads and popups relating to dating or cams, but hey tolerance has allowed the big tubes to get big and have most of the traffic, you forget that many webmasters will upload full length videos themselves to take advantage of some of the traffic.

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Just Alex

You have affiliates, Paul?

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V_RocKs

I get access so I can jackoff... plain and simple.

DamianJ

He's retired. I'm sure he used to have loads.

19teenporn

Wow!!!

You are a fucking genius!

WarChild

Every successful affiliate program will gladly give member's area access. Paul won't do it and his program is a failure. Go figure.

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jack-exploitedbabysitters

i agree with paul he is a smart cookie

anexsia

Don't need members access, I just visit the well known illegal tubes and look for that sponsor's content to download and edit

WarChild

I'm going to go ahead and guess you're new to this business.

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lucas131

if the affiliate is sending sales, why dont give him access? if sponsor have problem, looks like he is scared to show us his crap

papill0n

great thread paul

you really know your shit

sorry, i mean

you really know shit

Rochard

So webmasters are expected to sell a website even though we cannot see the member's area? How do we know the member's area isn't pure crap?

I contacted a guy on GFY the other day asking for content or access to member's area. He said send sales first. Well, without content, I can't send traffic, so fuck off.

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Socks

I'm just going to leave this here.

Ay yo. Astral Blue is requesting a review from us. Here's the infos..

Contact Name: Paul Markham
Site Url: http://www.astral-blue.com/tour
Site Login: adultsitesurfer
Site Password: REDACTED TO PROTECT THE INNOCENTS
Password Expiry: 26/06/2009
E-mail Address: [email protected]

NOTES: As you will see the site contains content I shot in the 80s and 90s while living in UK. The niches it covers are amateur, pornstars, page 3 girls, hairy pussy, solo,

lesbian and hardcore. We add new content 3-4 times a week.

We will have rotating banners inside the members area.

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Peece.

amateurcanada

I hear what you all are saying. If a person has devious intentions with your content then it will happen regardless.

BUTTTTTTTTTT - if your selling a product, being our partners/affiliates, they have to BELIEVEEEEEEEE in it! I happily grant our partners a password. I want them knowing my product and selling it accordingly. Motion creates emotion. *boiler room movie quotes*

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Paul Markham

Couple of points. Thanks for seeing the point I was trying to make. It flew over so many peoples heads. It has nothing to do with promoting the sponsor, it's about getting into a site, downloading a ton of full length videos to load to a tube. Which prime aim is to sell other sectors of porn.

Yes the easiest way to saturates content was always outside the members area, this applies to exclusive as well as non exclusive.

Yes some members areas are awful, great tour and crap members area. Many sites have the same or similar poor content that lacks any real porn power. Yet in an industry that worships driving traffic and relies on converting and retaining customers. It's no wonder the product wasn't thought of in the right way.

Tubes are great for giving away free porn, great for a few affiliates with less skills to create a sale, great for porn consumers, not bad for Dating, Cams and other sectors of porn and the slow death of the mainstream of porn. Recorded porn sellers.

IMO. Allowing affiliates into the members area to grab what they like to spread for free, in any form, just downgrades and saturates members area content even more.

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Matyko

Facepalm...
Dude, I often ask for member area access. we need it for writing paysite reviews. never ever abused the accounts.
Thinking the way in the OP is very stupid imo..

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DamianJ

Paul, no one has done this with your content, as it isn't on the tube sites.

So, the question is, how do you know that affiliates ask for members' area access in order to get content for tube sites?

You wouldn't be just talking out of your bottom would you?

Paul Markham

Obviously for a paysite review site access is needed 100%.

You don't abuse, but lets face it. Many are not so ethical.

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Paul Markham

Very true. How does a person sell a product without knowing what the product really is about, the buyers needs, how the product fits the needs, etc. He sends 1,000s of hits.

So how would you Rochard know a niche you're not familiar with, know what is good or bad content for that niche, know what the devotees of that niche want from the content? Maybe this doesn't apply to you, yet how many others push niches they have no idea about?

And then why should a sponsor give you a members area pass and not to every other affiliate. Without you proving you are one of the elite who deserve it?

A good way to judge the content in the members area, is from the samples, from free stuff already out there. How much and how often it's updated will tell you the likely hood of saturation of affiliates content.

Not give freeloaders access to even more of the members area content so they don't have to buy.

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Pornopat

Paul you are so much like my grandfather.
I think both of you know the same amount of stuff when it comes down to internet porn.
He died 20 years ago.

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jack-exploitedbabysitters

nah not new in the biz just new to gfy i know about paul, was just making a joke. Paul has entertained me for many years mad me me laugh and cry. lmao

Voodoo

Isn't that what you do? "Talk out of your bottom"? I mean, you do marketing right?

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Paul Markham

This is true. I came into porn when it was very tough to give it away for free. When it was small, but for those in it a goldmine. went through till today. When giving it away is easy, selling it is very hard and the industry is in a steady decline.

I knew porn during the glorious days of the late 1990s and very early 2000s. Porn was legal in most countries that has a decent economy and worth selling in. The speed of the and cost of hosting meant giving away 100,000s of free porn wasn't possible and not worth bothering with.

When picking up a camera and getting the lighting and focusing right wasn't so easy. Selling it was the hard part as a publisher paid a decent price and wasn't looking for the cheapest deal possible.

When a real knowledge of selling was more important than knowing how to put up a site and give away free porn. Then demanding the owner give anyone who asks free access to give away more of the product.

When porn for the successful was a goldmine, not the tin mine of today.

Yes when it took more intelligence than giving away free porn to 1,000s so1 could buy.

A world which Internet porn will never get near. Except if you think in the micro box of as offline decreased, online passed it on it's way up. Which didn't last long and now on it's way down again. Yes it was a different world. Just glad I got to be in it.

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DamianJ

Oh did I upset you so much you're stalking me around gfy now?

Cool.

Sorry you I upset you this much

RazorSharpe

Did you mean:

You really know your shit
OR
You really know you're shit

Grammar matters in this case!!

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alextokyo

As I've mentioned several times, you know product is complete and utter shit when people won't even take it for free.

Not sure what Paul's obsession with tubes is all about, but it sure is fun to blame others for your own lack of innovation, lack of intelligence, and/or various other shortcomings. I think he is a slightly more modern version of the senile old man in a bedsit who claims "the Germans are coming to get me! The Germans!!"

d-null

I did not know this

Paul Markham

You really shouldn't bother with him. His marketing expertise is sending nice emails.

Which shows again the level this business has shrunk to. A person with limited knowledge of the product, customer or real marketing. Calls himself a marketer person and few question it.

What he does seem to know a lot about is piracy. Proven that over and over again. Not just my opinion.

I never said they did it. That his reading skills, I said it seems a wonderful way to get lots of full length videos. Which, obviously, are not already on loads of Tubes.

Seems he's due another trip to Thailand to chill out again.

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