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Old 10-03-2011, 10:14 AM   #1
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Ladies and gentlemen, here he is... Ronald Reagan!

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Old 10-03-2011, 10:31 AM   #2
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Ok so Reagan said it in 1985, and now Obama is saying it, but when the hell will this actually get done????
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Ok so Reagan said it in 1985, and now Obama is saying it, but when the hell will this actually get done????
You should have learned this by now. It WONT!

They are politicians, They are rich why would they do something to hurt their own bottom line?
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By todays standard it is pretty common knowledge that Reagan would be considered a left leaning moderate
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Ladies and Gentlemen, here he is... John F Kennedy!


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"It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now ... Cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus."

? John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, president's news conference

"Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased ? not a reduced ? flow of revenues to the federal government."

? John F. Kennedy, Jan. 17, 1963, annual budget message to the Congress, fiscal year 1964

"In today's economy, fiscal prudence and responsibility call for tax reduction even if it temporarily enlarges the federal deficit ? why reducing taxes is the best way open to us to increase revenues."

? John F. Kennedy, Jan. 21, 1963, annual message to the Congress: "The Economic Report Of The President"

"It is no contradiction ? the most important single thing we can do to stimulate investment in today's economy is to raise consumption by major reduction of individual income tax rates."

? John F. Kennedy, Jan. 21, 1963, annual message to the Congress: "The Economic Report Of The President"

"Our tax system still siphons out of the private economy too large a share of personal and business purchasing power and reduces the incentive for risk, investment and effort ? thereby aborting our recoveries and stifling our national growth rate."

? John F. Kennedy, Jan. 24, 1963, message to Congress on tax reduction and reform, House Doc. 43, 88th Congress, 1st Session.

"A tax cut means higher family income and higher business profits and a balanced federal budget. Every taxpayer and his family will have more money left over after taxes for a new car, a new home, new conveniences, education and investment. Every businessman can keep a higher percentage of his profits in his cash register or put it to work expanding or improving his business, and as the national income grows, the federal government will ultimately end up with more revenues."

? John F. Kennedy, Sept. 18, 1963, radio and television address to the nation on tax-reduction bill

"I have asked the secretary of the treasury to report by April 1 on whether present tax laws may be stimulating in undue amounts the flow of American capital to the industrial countries abroad through special preferential treatment."

? John F. Kennedy, Feb. 6, 1961, message to Congress on gold and the balalnce of payments deficit

"In those countries where income taxes are lower than in the United States, the ability to defer the payment of U.S. tax by retaining income in the subsidiary companies provides a tax advantage for companies operating through overseas subsidiaries that is not available to companies operating solely in the United States. Many American investors properly made use of this deferral in the conduct of their foreign investment."

? John F. Kennedy, April 20, 1961, message to Congress on taxation

"Our present tax system ... exerts too heavy a drag on growth ... It reduces the financial incentives for personal effort, investment, and risk-taking ... The present tax load ... distorts economic judgments and channels an undue amount of energy into efforts to avoid tax liabilities."

? John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, press conference

"The present tax codes ... inhibit the mobility and formation of capital, add complexities and inequities which undermine the morale of the taxpayer, and make tax avoidance rather than market factors a prime consideration in too many economic decisions."

? John F. Kennedy, Jan. 23, 1963, special message to Congress on tax reduction and reform

"In short, it is a paradoxical truth that ... the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now. The experience of a number of European countries and Japan have borne this out. This country's own experience with tax reduction in 1954 has borne this out. And the reason is that only full employment can balance the budget, and tax reduction can pave the way to that employment. The purpose of cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus."

? John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, news conference

"The largest single barrier to full employment of our manpower and resources and to a higher rate of economic growth is the unrealistically heavy drag of federal income taxes on private purchasing power, initiative and incentive."

? John F. Kennedy, Jan. 24, 1963, special message to Congress on tax reduction and reform

"Expansion and modernization of the nation's productive plant is essential to accelerate economic growth and to improve the international competitive position of American industry ... An early stimulus to business investment will promote recovery and increase employment."

? John F. Kennedy, Feb. 2, 1961, message on economic recovery

"We must start now to provide additional stimulus to the modernization of American industrial plants ... I shall propose to the Congress a new tax incentive for businesses to expand their normal investment in plant and equipment."

? John F. Kennedy, Feb. 13, 1961, National Industrial Conference Board

"A bill will be presented to the Congress for action next year. It will include an across-the-board, top-to-bottom cut in both corporate and personal income taxes. It will include long-needed tax reform that logic and equity demand ... The billions of dollars this bill will place in the hands of the consumer and our businessmen will have both immediate and permanent benefits to our economy. Every dollar released from taxation that is spent or invested will help create a new job and a new salary. And these new jobs and new salaries can create other jobs and other salaries and more customers and more growth for an expanding American economy."

? John F. Kennedy, Aug. 13, 1962, radio and television report on the state of the national economy

"This administration pledged itself last summer to an across-the-board, top-to-bottom cut in personal and corporate income taxes ... Next year's tax bill should reduce personal as well as corporate income taxes, for those in the lower brackets, who are certain to spend their additional take-home pay, and for those in the middle and upper brackets, who can thereby be encouraged to undertake additional efforts and enabled to invest more capital ... I am confident that the enactment of the right bill next year will in due course increase our gross national product by several times the amount of taxes actually cut."

? John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, news conference
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By todays standard it is pretty common knowledge that Reagan would be considered a left leaning moderate
that's why american political discussions are both funny and sad. from the rest of the world's perspective it is just a debate between two extreme right parties.
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Reagan was the one that de-regulated the banking industry.
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Reagan was the one that de-regulated the banking industry.
He also kicked crazy people out of hospitals and into the streets. That is why I was so happy when he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's.
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I think the country should have a flat tax period.
Either that or no income tax and a national sales tax.

Either way, revenue would go up for the federal govt. BIG TIME. And companies could stop paying millions of dollars to accountants to save them billions of dollars. And I and millions of other families could stop paying accountants because we can't even figure out the modern day tax codes.

Flat tax of 15%: I make a million dollars...I pay $150,000 in taxes. I make $50,000 I pay $7,500 in taxes. I make a billion dollars I pay $1,500,000 in taxes
End of story.

No need for "tax refunds" ever again. No need for accountants. No headaches. No more loopholes for ANYBODY.

The govt. gets it due. And people can FINALLY live their lives without worrying constantly about how much they are going to pay in taxes. They will KNOW it's 15% PERIOD. And can then adjust their lives accordingly.
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Ok so Reagan said it in 1985, and now Obama is saying it, but when the hell will this actually get done????
Talk is so damn cheap and nothing ever changes in Washington.
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Specifically, what loop holes are you referring to that should be closed? Capital gains? Dividend tax?
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Reagan was the one that de-regulated the banking industry.
You're sure that Reagan deregulated the banks? You might want to read up on that.

Clinton is the one that signed the law repealing part of the Glass?Steagall Act of 1933
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%E...0%93Bliley_Act
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I think the country should have a flat tax period.
Either that or no income tax and a national sales tax.

Either way, revenue would go up for the federal govt. BIG TIME. And companies could stop paying millions of dollars to accountants to save them billions of dollars. And I and millions of other families could stop paying accountants because we can't even figure out the modern day tax codes.

Flat tax of 15%: I make a million dollars...I pay $150,000 in taxes. I make $50,000 I pay $7,500 in taxes. I make a billion dollars I pay $1,500,000 in taxes
End of story.

No need for "tax refunds" ever again. No need for accountants. No headaches. No more loopholes for ANYBODY.

The govt. gets it due. And people can FINALLY live their lives without worrying constantly about how much they are going to pay in taxes. They will KNOW it's 15% PERIOD. And can then adjust their lives accordingly.
I want to know more about this guy http://www.hermancain.com/h he's doing really good in the polls because he is actually telling people what his plans are for fixing the problems
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You're sure that Reagan deregulated the banks? You might want to read up on that.

Clinton is the one that signed the law repealing part of the Glass?Steagall Act of 1933
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%E...0%93Bliley_Act
Introducing facts into a political discussion is never a good idea...



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He also kicked crazy people out of hospitals and into the streets. That is why I was so happy when he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's.
Most of those hospitals were not full of crazies, they were full of drug addicts and mentally challenged patients. Like Camarillo State mental Hospital in Camarillo California
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Most of the people in this thread that are bashing Reagan haven't a clue what they are talking about.
Just fun to make light of what they have wrong
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Once again, back by popular demand, I bring you the hero of the Republican Party...

RONALD REAGAN!



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Most of those hospitals were not full of crazies, they were full of drug addicts and mentally challenged patients. Like Camarillo State mental Hospital in Camarillo California
You are clueless.
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You are clueless.
From the mid-70s to mid-80s there was a strong 'patients rights' movement generated by the mental health advocate community. Although there were many facets to this movement, one of the primary elements was a re-examination of the criteria for institutionalizing patients.

The point of contention revolved around interpretations of what it meant for a patient to be able to 'take care of himself.' Prior to this the interpretation was rather strict; if a patient could not earn an income and provide shelter and food for himself (and if there were no family members able to care for him), then he would normally be institutionalized.

The advocacy groups began to demand a lower standard. As long as a patient could merely wash and dress himself, and could perform the mechanical tasks of shovelling food into his mouth, then every effort was made to force the institutions to release them.

Predictably, most of the newly discharged patients were unable to take care of themselves in any meaningful sense of the word, and became the homeless people on the street. It's no coincidence that the decline in California's mental health institution population closely matched the sharp increase of homeless (in California, at least) during the same period.

Reagan was not involved in this movement, nor was he a symptom or symbolic of it. Quite the contrary. The people who 'liberated' the inmates tended to be on the opposite end of the political spectrum. In fact, it was the ACLU who provided legal representation to force the VA to release these patients.

The ACLU won a land mark case for the rights of the mentally ill. The state could not keep a patient in an institution if he had a malady that could be controlled by medication.
The state had to let 80% of the patients out because of the ACLU. The law that Reagan signed was the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act (LPS), passed by the legislature & signed into law in 1967 by Governor Ronald Reagan. The idea was to "stem entry into the state hospital by encouraging the community system to accept more patients, hopefully improving quality of care while allowing state expense to be alleviated by the newly available federal funds." It also was designed to protect the rights of mental patients. It was considered a landmark of its time--a change in the attitude toward mental illness and its treatment.

The law restricted involuntary commitment, among other things. It allows people to refuse treatment for mental illness, unless they are clearly a danger to someone else or themselves. It facilitated release of many patients---supposedly to go to community mental health treatment programs. So, Reagan closed empty hospitals.



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You're sure that Reagan deregulated the banks? You might want to read up on that.

Clinton is the one that signed the law repealing part of the Glass?Steagall Act of 1933
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%E...0%93Bliley_Act
Yeah... he did several bank deregulations which caused massive bank failures, the "too big to fail" motto we here today and devaluation of stocks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garn%E2...itutions_A ct
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deposit..._ Control_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savings_and_Loan_crisis
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Meanwhile.... Not a peep out of the left regarding the fact that their biggest hero, JFK, constantly advocated lowering both personal and corporate taxes to get the economy moving and ultimately bringing more money into the federal government....


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"It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now ... Cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus."

? John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, president's news conference

"Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased ? not a reduced ? flow of revenues to the federal government."

? John F. Kennedy, Jan. 17, 1963, annual budget message to the Congress, fiscal year 1964

"In today's economy, fiscal prudence and responsibility call for tax reduction even if it temporarily enlarges the federal deficit ? why reducing taxes is the best way open to us to increase revenues."

? John F. Kennedy, Jan. 21, 1963, annual message to the Congress: "The Economic Report Of The President"

"It is no contradiction ? the most important single thing we can do to stimulate investment in today's economy is to raise consumption by major reduction of individual income tax rates."

? John F. Kennedy, Jan. 21, 1963, annual message to the Congress: "The Economic Report Of The President"

"Our tax system still siphons out of the private economy too large a share of personal and business purchasing power and reduces the incentive for risk, investment and effort ? thereby aborting our recoveries and stifling our national growth rate."

? John F. Kennedy, Jan. 24, 1963, message to Congress on tax reduction and reform, House Doc. 43, 88th Congress, 1st Session.

"A tax cut means higher family income and higher business profits and a balanced federal budget. Every taxpayer and his family will have more money left over after taxes for a new car, a new home, new conveniences, education and investment. Every businessman can keep a higher percentage of his profits in his cash register or put it to work expanding or improving his business, and as the national income grows, the federal government will ultimately end up with more revenues."

? John F. Kennedy, Sept. 18, 1963, radio and television address to the nation on tax-reduction bill

"I have asked the secretary of the treasury to report by April 1 on whether present tax laws may be stimulating in undue amounts the flow of American capital to the industrial countries abroad through special preferential treatment."

? John F. Kennedy, Feb. 6, 1961, message to Congress on gold and the balalnce of payments deficit

"In those countries where income taxes are lower than in the United States, the ability to defer the payment of U.S. tax by retaining income in the subsidiary companies provides a tax advantage for companies operating through overseas subsidiaries that is not available to companies operating solely in the United States. Many American investors properly made use of this deferral in the conduct of their foreign investment."

? John F. Kennedy, April 20, 1961, message to Congress on taxation

"Our present tax system ... exerts too heavy a drag on growth ... It reduces the financial incentives for personal effort, investment, and risk-taking ... The present tax load ... distorts economic judgments and channels an undue amount of energy into efforts to avoid tax liabilities."

? John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, press conference

"The present tax codes ... inhibit the mobility and formation of capital, add complexities and inequities which undermine the morale of the taxpayer, and make tax avoidance rather than market factors a prime consideration in too many economic decisions."

? John F. Kennedy, Jan. 23, 1963, special message to Congress on tax reduction and reform

"In short, it is a paradoxical truth that ... the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now. The experience of a number of European countries and Japan have borne this out. This country's own experience with tax reduction in 1954 has borne this out. And the reason is that only full employment can balance the budget, and tax reduction can pave the way to that employment. The purpose of cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus."

? John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, news conference

"The largest single barrier to full employment of our manpower and resources and to a higher rate of economic growth is the unrealistically heavy drag of federal income taxes on private purchasing power, initiative and incentive."

? John F. Kennedy, Jan. 24, 1963, special message to Congress on tax reduction and reform

"Expansion and modernization of the nation's productive plant is essential to accelerate economic growth and to improve the international competitive position of American industry ... An early stimulus to business investment will promote recovery and increase employment."

? John F. Kennedy, Feb. 2, 1961, message on economic recovery

"We must start now to provide additional stimulus to the modernization of American industrial plants ... I shall propose to the Congress a new tax incentive for businesses to expand their normal investment in plant and equipment."

? John F. Kennedy, Feb. 13, 1961, National Industrial Conference Board

"A bill will be presented to the Congress for action next year. It will include an across-the-board, top-to-bottom cut in both corporate and personal income taxes. It will include long-needed tax reform that logic and equity demand ... The billions of dollars this bill will place in the hands of the consumer and our businessmen will have both immediate and permanent benefits to our economy. Every dollar released from taxation that is spent or invested will help create a new job and a new salary. And these new jobs and new salaries can create other jobs and other salaries and more customers and more growth for an expanding American economy."

? John F. Kennedy, Aug. 13, 1962, radio and television report on the state of the national economy

"This administration pledged itself last summer to an across-the-board, top-to-bottom cut in personal and corporate income taxes ... Next year's tax bill should reduce personal as well as corporate income taxes, for those in the lower brackets, who are certain to spend their additional take-home pay, and for those in the middle and upper brackets, who can thereby be encouraged to undertake additional efforts and enabled to invest more capital ... I am confident that the enactment of the right bill next year will in due course increase our gross national product by several times the amount of taxes actually cut."

? John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, news conference
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Meanwhile.... Not a peep out of the left regarding the fact that their biggest hero, JFK, constantly advocated lowering both personal and corporate taxes to get the economy moving and ultimately bringing more money into the federal government....


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Sorry didn't see that....

The tax rate in 1961-63 was 90-91% for the top tax brackets. He reduced them in 63 to 70%.

I had no idea you were okay with increasing taxes on the rich to 70%......
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