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jojojo · 01-19-2003, 07:24 PM

Sorry about the stupid msg title but I thought it would be hard to resist for tgp owners ;)

If you take high quality surfers (SE, etc) and send them to a site with TOOONS of free porn everyday will they become like any other tgp surfer or will they still be a better quality bookmarker than a regular tgp surfer?

If you take high quality surfers (SE, etc) and send them to a site with a limited selection of free porn everyday will you get less bookmarkers but end up with higher quality bookmarkers than regular tgp surfers?

And for that matter if you have shitty tgp surfers visit a site limited selection of free porn everyday will ANY of them bookmark a site like that? or would they be only good for 1 time sales and trading?

Is there a threshold of how many galleries/selection you should offer everyday to a surfer or do they become spoiled regardless of the selection/amount of free porn?

Also am I in dreamland to think that I can do something special with these surfers to make them high quality bookmarkers simply because they come from SE's and LL's?

Please unravel this for me so I can sleep again

lagwagon · 01-19-2003, 07:25 PM

pay them to come back

SleazyDream · 01-19-2003, 07:27 PM

just give away free porn and forget about the money - just be happy that you made millions of people not have to pull out their credit cards.

jojojo · 01-19-2003, 07:28 PM

I'm so happy to see that one of the biggest tgp experts has already posted.

Thanks for the insight ;)

Seriously though, please shed some light on this - I see that you onyl have 3-4 new galleries per day on sd...

extreme · 01-19-2003, 07:58 PM

There's prob. no easy answers to thoose questions ...

I've gotten a pretty good amount of SEhits to a few TGPs of mine. Lots of free working porn (paranoid cheatdetection), lots of bookmarkers, total uniques to the site growing everyday ... but not making the amount of $$$ of it as I would have expected at first.

Too much free porn I guess. Why buy a membership to some paysite when the TGP itself kicks ass? :] ... maybe try to sell access to the TGP itself?

I would guess thoose extra bookmarkers you get from having a site with loads of free content are freeloading bookmarkers.

I think it basicly boils down to your marketing skills + the amount of traffic you can achive ...
..free porn or not, the paysite prob. have to come out as Better as your site to get you any signups anyhow.

Im pretty new to this biz though, just brainstorming some here ;).

jojojo · 01-19-2003, 09:43 PM

Thanks for the info extreme ;)

This was my thinking, if I give away too much to get them to bookmark then I am diluting them...

Though the hun's traffic is pretty good still and most of his traffic are bookmarkers...

perhaps someone elite can grace us with their wisdom?

goBigtime · 01-19-2003, 09:45 PM

err nevermind.

ChrisH · 01-19-2003, 09:55 PM

Good se traffic should be sent to a full page ad.

Not to FREE PORN!!!

Spunky · 01-19-2003, 10:00 PM

Bookmarkers are nothing but leeches.They click away ignoring your trades.I have to agree with Sleezy,you basically give away free porn to the surfer and throw your money away....

SleazyDream · 01-19-2003, 10:02 PM

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Originally posted by spunky1
Bookmarkers are nothing but leeches.They click away ignoring your trades.I have to agree with Sleezy,you basically give away free porn to the surfer and throw your money away....

I never said throw your money away - money spent making people happy isn't wasted coin.

Spunky · 01-19-2003, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

I never said throw your money away - money spent making people happy isn't wasted coin.

If I had your money,no problem then

FlyingIguana · 01-19-2003, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ChrisH
Good se traffic should be sent to a full page ad.

Not to FREE PORN!!!

isn't a gallery page suppose to be a full page ad?

Pornwolf · 01-19-2003, 10:11 PM

Chris H is right, SE traffic should go to a FPA or something more targeted to selling memberships. If you are trying to build your tgp off of se hits to increase trades and such - STOP IT! Good god man, don't you see what you are doing? You are teaching a generation of new potential customers (which is what se hits are) that there are pages full of porn links so why pay for porn when you don't have to!?! If that's what you are trying to do just redirect all of that traffic to Sleazydream.com. Sleazy even gives them stories to kill their time which could have been spent doing other things like pulling out their credit cards (heaven forbid!)

¡El porn libre es malvado!

jojojo · 01-19-2003, 10:12 PM

I guess nobody knows, or gets good quality traffic to begin with. *poke* *nudge* *poke*

I'm not asking how to get a million hits/day or some stupid noob question... that is the hard part that takes time.

I am asking some fundamental things here and I don't know why people are so uptight about sharing their knowledge.

Hit me up on ICQ 89581952 if you don't want to post here - maybe we can do some biz in the future too, I mean obviously the person who knows the answers to these questions has similar traffic to mine ;)

Pornwolf · 01-19-2003, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FlyingIguana

isn't a gallery page suppose to be a full page ad?

Heh heh, it seems only if they are made by Adult.com or Oliver Klozoff.

jojojo · 01-19-2003, 10:18 PM

Quote:

You are teaching a generation of new potential customers (which is what se hits are) that there are pages full of porn links so why pay for porn when you don't have to!?!

They are not DIRECTLY from SE's - they are second and third page clickthrus from my SE sites - they didn't buy so I am dumping them into my moviepost.

SO you would say - well then they are just like any other tgp surfers so yeah just run it like a normal tgp - except I am getting like a 30% CTR on the hosted galleries I have listed there and getting 1 sale per 1000 visitors to my moviepost - so I want to see if I can 'keep' them high quality by not exposing them to a tgp with TOOOONS of galleries etc. And of course I am not ready to trade them out to a tgp in exchange for crap tgp traffic in return.

I woud rather hoard them and try and keep them and the traffic quality high. Unless they become leeches as bookmarkers regardless of how good they were when they arrived...

I rather them see a few galleries and then close my site and go search for something else thru an SE than trade them off to a tgp myself.

jojojo · 01-20-2003, 01:39 AM

any tgp experts in the house?

You know who you are ;)

Sarah_Jayne · 01-20-2003, 01:43 AM

ugh, my eyes burn at the sight of anyone sending any form of SE traffic to a tgp.

Lethal · 01-20-2003, 01:52 AM

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Originally posted by sarah_webinc
ugh, my eyes burn at the sight of anyone sending any form of SE traffic to a tgp.

Absolutely.

jojojo you might be getting a 30% CTR on your moviepost but you could be getting 90%+ if you kept on filtering them and showing them pages and pages of no-content ads. The bottom line is that the more content you show, the less click and money you will get, because you are giving the surfer more and more options other than making you money (like jacking off and looking at your content instead of your ads).

IMO SE traffic should get 100% ads and then console hell if they try to back out. If you are good at getting SE traffic then work on your mousetrap and leave providing the free porn to those who are willing to accept a piss poor ROI.

jojojo · 01-20-2003, 02:00 AM

hmm definitely some sharp cats in this thread now ;)

The thing is that most of my visitors are coming from my free sites that have hardcore galleries already... so I wanted to make some more money from these people so I am bleeding them off to see more galleries and these are the results I am getting.

If I don't bleed them off then I may get a few more sales but I was hoping to do something else with them so I am sending them to a moviepost - but they are still very HQ and I was hoping to build a base of these surfers as bookmarkers - logically they should become as good as any other bookmarker of a tgp/moviepost - if so I may as well jump head first into running the site like a tgp and offering more free porn to increase bookmarkers BUT if the site is shit in terms of a tgp in selection and the amount of free porn AND they are hq surfers to begin with then I was hoping they would be worth more as bookmarkers etc.

Also how productive can traffic be for a script - can you get back 500% traffic if your traffic is that productive/hq?

Meloman · 01-20-2003, 02:02 AM

Never send any type of SE traffic to a tgp unless they've been run through the mill first.

Ok...if I understand you right you're saying that you have free sites that get SE traffic and at some point in your site your linking to your movie post...is that right?

Instead of linking to your movie post have links that go to various targeted FPA pages all SE optimized with a full chain of consoles on exit.

So basically SE surfer arrives at your free sites, looks around, doesn't click ads buy he "may" click your link to "Hot Sex Videos" which is an FPA for a pay site. That fpa can have links to other fpa's and all of them can have a good targeted console pops on exit.

It's called filtering your traffic "without" giving away free porn. And the best part is if they don't click any ad anyware and close the fpa's then you can run them through a console hell that THEN ends up at your movie post. Milk them first and if they don't buy anywhere send them to your moviepost so they can bookmark and buy later.

It's what I've been doing for years with awesome results

Just my

jojojo · 01-20-2003, 02:03 AM

also regarding not showing se surfers any free porn - when dmoz sites used to feed aolsearch - I used to get 85% of my sales from my warning page. With the traffic I get now, I make 85% of my sales from my galleries that have hardcore...

I always thought that you need to give the surfer something to get them 'warmed up'

Meloman · 01-20-2003, 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lethal

IMO SE traffic should get 100% ads and then console hell if they try to back out. If you are good at getting SE traffic then work on your mousetrap and leave providing the free porn to those who are willing to accept a piss poor ROI.

I agree 100%

JoJo it seems like your on the right track of thought. You're basically trying to figure out a way of "reclycing" your traffic to get the most out of it.

Here's something i've tried with great results. Do the whole fpa circle trap with exit console hell me and Letha mention but then at the end of your console chain pop them to a TOP LIST :-))))) So milk the traffic for all it's worth and then trade it out for more.

But never, never, never send SE traffic to any time of tgp/movie post UNTIL you've thoroughly rung them through the mill.

1/1000 yuck... 1/250-1/500 if you do this right :-))

Lethal · 01-20-2003, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jojojo
I always thought that you need to give the surfer something to get them 'warmed up'

Yes, a full page ad.

ChrisH · 01-20-2003, 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lethal

Yes, a full page ad.

Exactly!

Some fpa's have some good looking pics on them.

NEVER... give them hardcore first!!!

Listen to Melo he knows what he's talking about. Build every fpa that [insert sponser here] has, then filter them through until they wish they'd have bought something.

extreme · 01-20-2003, 05:32 AM

The thing is that some of the surfers people think are freeloaders do buy stuff ;)

What do you rather have: 100k traffic and 1:1000 ratios, 10k traffic and 1:250 ratios?

For me it's a pretty easy decision.

jojojo · 01-20-2003, 05:32 AM

I understand what you are saying for cold surfers but even if I sent them to a page like this - they are coming from a free site that has hardcore movies on it. They are going to close or leave an fpa.

They have already seen hardcore movies and never bought, so I am trying to take them and build something permanent out of them.

But again one of my fundamental questions is will they end up being a better bookmarker if they are HQ to begin?

I know they are hq because of the CTR rates and sales etc...

progex · 01-20-2003, 05:37 AM

Quote:

But never, never, never send SE traffic to any time of tgp/movie post UNTIL you've thoroughly rung them through the mill.

What do you mean by "rung them through the mill"?

FlyingIguana · 01-20-2003, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by progex

What do you mean by "rung them through the mill"?

hit them with ads, consoles, etc

pretty much if they don't have a membership now, they don't plan on getting one.

ChrisH · 01-20-2003, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by progex

What do you mean by "rung them through the mill"?

Shake them upside down by the ankles till their credit card falls out.

slapass · 01-20-2003, 08:21 AM

So do you have script that filters the SE traffic or is this traffic you targeted with specific pages and SEO work?
A little off topic but I get lots of European SE traffic any ideas? Just throw dialers at them?

01-19-2003, 07:24 PM	#1
jojojo Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 2,318	Find out if you are a TGP expert or not Sorry about the stupid msg title but I thought it would be hard to resist for tgp owners ;) If you take high quality surfers (SE, etc) and send them to a site with TOOONS of free porn everyday will they become like any other tgp surfer or will they still be a better quality bookmarker than a regular tgp surfer? If you take high quality surfers (SE, etc) and send them to a site with a limited selection of free porn everyday will you get less bookmarkers but end up with higher quality bookmarkers than regular tgp surfers? And for that matter if you have shitty tgp surfers visit a site limited selection of free porn everyday will ANY of them bookmark a site like that? or would they be only good for 1 time sales and trading? Is there a threshold of how many galleries/selection you should offer everyday to a surfer or do they become spoiled regardless of the selection/amount of free porn? Also am I in dreamland to think that I can do something special with these surfers to make them high quality bookmarkers simply because they come from SE's and LL's? Please unravel this for me so I can sleep again __________________ Learn SEO - make $$ residually - icq me 333485092

01-19-2003, 07:25 PM	#2
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01-19-2003, 07:27 PM	#3
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	just give away free porn and forget about the money - just be happy that you made millions of people not have to pull out their credit cards. __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

01-19-2003, 07:28 PM	#4
jojojo Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 2,318	I'm so happy to see that one of the biggest tgp experts has already posted. Thanks for the insight ;) Seriously though, please shed some light on this - I see that you onyl have 3-4 new galleries per day on sd... __________________ Learn SEO - make $$ residually - icq me 333485092

01-19-2003, 07:58 PM	#5
extreme Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: lalaland Posts: 2,120	There's prob. no easy answers to thoose questions ... I've gotten a pretty good amount of SEhits to a few TGPs of mine. Lots of free working porn (paranoid cheatdetection), lots of bookmarkers, total uniques to the site growing everyday ... but not making the amount of $$$ of it as I would have expected at first. Too much free porn I guess. Why buy a membership to some paysite when the TGP itself kicks ass? :] ... maybe try to sell access to the TGP itself? I would guess thoose extra bookmarkers you get from having a site with loads of free content are freeloading bookmarkers. I think it basicly boils down to your marketing skills + the amount of traffic you can achive ... ..free porn or not, the paysite prob. have to come out as Better as your site to get you any signups anyhow. Im pretty new to this biz though, just brainstorming some here ;). __________________ Browse and find new paysites with screenshot-preview Export FHGs/FLVs/Paysites by JSON, XML, CSV and Text Find FHGs/FLVs/Paysites from any given Category or Search-query

01-19-2003, 09:43 PM	#6
jojojo Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 2,318	Thanks for the info extreme ;) This was my thinking, if I give away too much to get them to bookmark then I am diluting them... Though the hun's traffic is pretty good still and most of his traffic are bookmarkers... perhaps someone elite can grace us with their wisdom? __________________ Learn SEO - make $$ residually - icq me 333485092

01-19-2003, 09:45 PM	#7
goBigtime Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,761	err nevermind.

01-19-2003, 09:55 PM	#8
ChrisH Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: New York Posts: 1,355	Good se traffic should be sent to a full page ad. Not to FREE PORN!!!

01-19-2003, 10:00 PM	#9
Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,947	Bookmarkers are nothing but leeches.They click away ignoring your trades.I have to agree with Sleezy,you basically give away free porn to the surfer and throw your money away.... __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*

01-19-2003, 10:11 PM	#13
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Chris H is right, SE traffic should go to a FPA or something more targeted to selling memberships. If you are trying to build your tgp off of se hits to increase trades and such - STOP IT! Good god man, don't you see what you are doing? You are teaching a generation of new potential customers (which is what se hits are) that there are pages full of porn links so why pay for porn when you don't have to!?! If that's what you are trying to do just redirect all of that traffic to Sleazydream.com. Sleazy even gives them stories to kill their time which could have been spent doing other things like pulling out their credit cards (heaven forbid!) ¡El porn libre es malvado! __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

01-19-2003, 10:12 PM	#14
jojojo Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 2,318	I guess nobody knows, or gets good quality traffic to begin with. poke nudge poke I'm not asking how to get a million hits/day or some stupid noob question... that is the hard part that takes time. I am asking some fundamental things here and I don't know why people are so uptight about sharing their knowledge. Hit me up on ICQ 89581952 if you don't want to post here - maybe we can do some biz in the future too, I mean obviously the person who knows the answers to these questions has similar traffic to mine ;) __________________ Learn SEO - make $$ residually - icq me 333485092

01-20-2003, 01:39 AM	#17
jojojo Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 2,318	any tgp experts in the house? You know who you are ;) __________________ Learn SEO - make $$ residually - icq me 333485092

01-20-2003, 01:43 AM	#18
Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	ugh, my eyes burn at the sight of anyone sending any form of SE traffic to a tgp.

01-20-2003, 02:00 AM	#20
jojojo Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 2,318	hmm definitely some sharp cats in this thread now ;) The thing is that most of my visitors are coming from my free sites that have hardcore galleries already... so I wanted to make some more money from these people so I am bleeding them off to see more galleries and these are the results I am getting. If I don't bleed them off then I may get a few more sales but I was hoping to do something else with them so I am sending them to a moviepost - but they are still very HQ and I was hoping to build a base of these surfers as bookmarkers - logically they should become as good as any other bookmarker of a tgp/moviepost - if so I may as well jump head first into running the site like a tgp and offering more free porn to increase bookmarkers BUT if the site is shit in terms of a tgp in selection and the amount of free porn AND they are hq surfers to begin with then I was hoping they would be worth more as bookmarkers etc. Also how productive can traffic be for a script - can you get back 500% traffic if your traffic is that productive/hq? __________________ Learn SEO - make $$ residually - icq me 333485092

01-20-2003, 02:02 AM	#21
Meloman Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Sacramento,CA Posts: 1,540	Never send any type of SE traffic to a tgp unless they've been run through the mill first. Ok...if I understand you right you're saying that you have free sites that get SE traffic and at some point in your site your linking to your movie post...is that right? Instead of linking to your movie post have links that go to various targeted FPA pages all SE optimized with a full chain of consoles on exit. So basically SE surfer arrives at your free sites, looks around, doesn't click ads buy he "may" click your link to "Hot Sex Videos" which is an FPA for a pay site. That fpa can have links to other fpa's and all of them can have a good targeted console pops on exit. It's called filtering your traffic "without" giving away free porn. And the best part is if they don't click any ad anyware and close the fpa's then you can run them through a console hell that THEN ends up at your movie post. Milk them first and if they don't buy anywhere send them to your moviepost so they can bookmark and buy later. It's what I've been doing for years with awesome results Just my

01-20-2003, 02:03 AM	#22
jojojo Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 2,318	also regarding not showing se surfers any free porn - when dmoz sites used to feed aolsearch - I used to get 85% of my sales from my warning page. With the traffic I get now, I make 85% of my sales from my galleries that have hardcore... I always thought that you need to give the surfer something to get them 'warmed up' __________________ Learn SEO - make $$ residually - icq me 333485092

01-20-2003, 05:32 AM	#26
extreme Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: lalaland Posts: 2,120	The thing is that some of the surfers people think are freeloaders do buy stuff ;) What do you rather have: 100k traffic and 1:1000 ratios, 10k traffic and 1:250 ratios? For me it's a pretty easy decision. __________________ Browse and find new paysites with screenshot-preview Export FHGs/FLVs/Paysites by JSON, XML, CSV and Text Find FHGs/FLVs/Paysites from any given Category or Search-query

01-20-2003, 08:21 AM	#31
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,625	So do you have script that filters the SE traffic or is this traffic you targeted with specific pages and SEO work? A little off topic but I get lots of European SE traffic any ideas? Just throw dialers at them?