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  • Rip
    Confirmed User
    • Jan 2001
    • 1456
    #1

    Fraud or mistake?

    I had ordered a script ($1,000+) from a well known webmaster, early in June, after sending the funds June 7, 2001 I awaited the confirmation from the recipient.

    many emails over the past month replied that the funds had not been received

    I have just returned from my bank, where they received confirmation from the recipient's bank that the funds had been received June 8, 2001 the day after they were sent.

    I am extremely pissed off about this, but have sent the webmaster an email asking for the return of funds, plus my wire transfer cost.

    If a webmaster loses over $1,000 it does not reflect well on their product or support.

    I can certainly write of the funds as a loss and a lesson learned.

    Should the webmaster choose not to return the funds what would you do? Trash them in the forums (which could cost a lot of business) or institute a police investigation? (which could cost them even more)

    I think I am certainly being reasonable in asking for the funds to be returned since the software was not delivered and the money was send over a month ago.

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    • sandman!
      Icq: 14420613
      • Mar 2001
      • 15427
      #2
      I would ask the webmaster if he recieved it if he says he did not i would call your bank and get the info abour the wire then i would call his bank and get a confermation that the $$ was indeeed deposited into his account then i would get back to the webmaster with this info and see what he has to say.

      Banks do sometimes fuckup so it might not be the webmasters fault.

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        • SR
          Confirmed User
          • Jul 2001
          • 2239
          #3
          Hey Rip

          Maybe try to find his phone# and call him.
          If he says you'll never get your money back or whatever I would trash him on the forums to warn others.
          Not sure if the police could do much since I guess he didn't put his signature on something.

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            • Rip
              Confirmed User
              • Jan 2001
              • 1456
              #4
              sandman, I have several emails in which he has replied to me stating that he did NOT receive the money

              Since I just got back from holidays, I emailed again a couple days ago, at which time he says he STILL has not received the funds

              SR

              I think I have enough emails archived to make a convincing case from a police perspective

              I am still hopeful this can be resolved, but I don't have a real positive feeling about it
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                • SR
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jul 2001
                  • 2239
                  #5
                  Rip

                  Maybe follow Sandmans advice and call the bank.
                  Something might went wrong.
                  Is hard to believe that a "well known" webmaster would risk his reputation for a 1000$

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                    • Rip
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jan 2001
                      • 1456
                      #6
                      It's possible, however after running a trace on the wire transfer, they have confirmed that the account information is correct, I have asked for a hardcopy to be forwarded from the receiving bank to my bank

                      I should get this later today
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                        • Gemini
                          Confirmed User
                          • Jan 2001
                          • 7183
                          #7
                          That sort of thing is called Illegal or Unjust enrichment and if not a criminal offense under some sort of fraud law in your area, then it WILL be covered in a civil or small claims court.

                          For that amount do the small claims and when he doesn't show, the case goes to you. THEN file a civil case against him since you already have the ajudgement. The civil judge will take it from there. But that is fraud unless he is being told differently from his bank.

                          To be fair, calling his bank and asking an official to conference call their client with you might be an idea. Then if he squirms you have his own bank on your side as well, which would put them in as the best witness you could get in an outright fraud arrest and trial.
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                            • magnatique
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jan 2001
                              • 1830
                              #8
                              my advice is call the bank...

                              on my side, once, I sent a wire... 2 weeks later, the guy says he still have not received the money... I go to my bank, they say it was sent... then I went back again, and they appologized, saying that the fax did not go through properly...

                              that shit can happen...

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                                • Rod
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Mar 2001
                                  • 1243
                                  #9
                                  yup...it happened to me also
                                  woohoo!

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