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  • ace0r
    Confirmed User
    • Feb 2001
    • 1410

    #1

    If anyones serious about the 'biz' u should read this..

    i don't know how many of you read the CE board, but this is where i got this from last month, posted by a guy called "obnoxious bastard" he has some of the greatest fucking ideas and posts.. this is his whole post, anyone serious about the biz. should print this out

    posted 02-21-2001 21:42
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    Good Morning.
    Before I get started, no cracks about the ensuing spelling errors. I busted 2 fingers in a car accident last week and typing without them is proving to be something of a challenge. (insert your own, one handed typing joke here)

    Anyway, Something I was thinking about on my recent vacation, one of many things to share with everyone, is the glaring "lack of planning" I see a large number of you are exhibiting.

    How many of you have taken the time, to sit down with a pencil and paper, away from the computer and word processors and spreadsheets and write up an old fashioned goals sheet, or for some, you may call it a marketing plan? Have any of you made a business plan? Any of you registered this venture as a business? If you don't have a business, how do you take advantage of any tax situations you are entitled to? Have you ever done any market research in what you plan on providing to this super saturated market we call adult entertainment? Anyone?

    The reason I mention this, is that so many new people, as well as veterans (if you can call anyone in this business a veteran... 2-4 years in the business is a lifetime for some), get caught up in the "more money..more money" blood lust. New people expect instant results. Instant free content. Instant pre-built web pages, instant search engine page one rankings for all the high traffic keywords, Instant free hosting, instant checks, etc etc.
    Yet, very few, if any have an itemized, detailed list of where they are going, and what they are planning and most importantly, how to get to the final destination. If you don't know where you are going, how do you know how to get there the most efficiently? If you don't know how to get there effectively, you can't recognize when you start to wander off the path. If you don't catch these errors early, you are losing money. Period.

    A month or so ago, someone posted the old "million dollar formula". This plan, in and of itself, is not a bad place to start, all though, for almost everyone here, it is unattainable. However, this should not dissuade you from using the plan. It gives you a target and something to focus on. I would revise it somewhat and look into those numbers hard and long. (insert your own joke here) Make it a more attainable goal for your first year, then revise it for your second year, then the third, etc. Make it workable and reachable. This is a living document that should be updated regularly. But, If you set your goals to high, you will only end up disapointed.

    Another thing, how many of you go out and look at your competition? Not only the successful sites, but the not so successful ones as well. There is much to be learned from someone elses mistakes and failures, and it is less expensive to learn that way to.

    For example, my mistake on my vacation was to trust someone else to execute some daily scripts and routines for me. I have known this person for a long time and they are not ignorant concerning computers and web server, web site technology. However, they made some alterations to the routine, because they thought they knew what I wanted, and they didn't understand the process like they thought they did. End result, those changes cost me almost 225,000 hits across my network of sites in those 12 days that I was gone. So, you tell me, how much did it cost me to make that assumption? How much would it have cost you?

    However, when you stumble, and you will stumble, take the time to disect the problem to infinetesimal details. Accept the fact that maybe you screwed up, and most importantly how can you correct it quickly if something like it happens again. Always have a fall back position and plan. Also, don't stop trying something new. But before you do, make sure you completely understand how it fits in with your overall goals, and how quickly you should see results. If it doesn't measure up, determine why not, if it does, determine why it did.

    There is an excellent knowledge base here, if you take the time to stop whining about "where is my check", and "how come my stats aren't working."

    Dark G, is one of the many, who will hate me for this, but I recommend you pester the hell out of him, he seems to know alot more than he is sharing. So go get him and the rest. Stop worrying why your stats arent updating. Spend the time working and revising your plans.

    Screw the stats. The only time you ever need to check stats is the day before the pay period ends, or if Nancy or Mike or Jim send you a letter saying there is a problem with your account.

    If you are watching counters, you are not contributing to your own success. Stop wasting your time, and everyone elses by complaining about your counters not working and get to work. The only counting that matters is the kind your bankers computer does when it sends you your monthly statement. If you are watching pretty graphs, you have wasted electricity.

    Finally, Don't ignore the non-adult sites. Find out why they are successful, if they are, or why they aren't. Anything a non-adult site does, can be altered to an adult site marketing scheme, if you do some work into the nuts and bolts of what they are doing.

    Thats enough for now, finally.

    Obnoxious Bastard

  • ifuckmyself
    Registered User
    • Feb 2001
    • 18

    #2
    it saddens me that posts like these don't get any responses yet bullshit posts like "spit or swallow" do. Maybe if lens took away the whole free shirts, dvd etc out, real webmasters will start swinging by and turn this into a real board.

    I'm not trying to put anyone down, but if we put the bullshit aside more REAL webmasters would start hitting this board..

    ace0r, i was impressed with your post on freesites but i can't find a way to contact you, post your ICQ if you could
    hi ;)

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    • Jamdin
      Registered User
      • Jan 2001
      • 3560

      #3
      Yes, I have read the post at the CE board (I visit there at least once a day). Now that I know I'm getting hits, I don't have to put counter on every page

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      Moongem Erotica Moongem Fiction

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      • NightLizard
        Confirmed User
        • Feb 2001
        • 300

        #4
        I am with you man, I will be taking down my counters shortly, it's just a waste of bandwidth for the codes, I know where my traffic is coming from from server stats anyway so fuck it, it don't mean shit to be number whatever in the world in your category if your bandwidth bill is too high.


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        [email protected] Nightlizard, peace out
        [email protected] Nightlizard, peace out

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        • blakkfrogg
          Confirmed User
          • Jan 2001
          • 582

          #5
          I admit that I stress over 'stats' and spend too much time watching them. I nearly lost the most important person in my life because I stressed over 'stats' more than I did her. Damn. To think I was so blind not to notice what was really happening.

          Thankfully, I had a wake-up call. No details needed, as I hope the point has been made.

          Although I am by no means a power in this biz or a role model of any kind, trust me when I say that the key to your success will not be one site the kicks ass, but rather a tremendous number of sites that will 'forever' feed you traffic.... and in turn income.

          In the old days they said, "Go west young man. Go west." In this business the saying should be, "Keep building, keep building, keep building....."

          The more you build and the more you cross-link between your own sites, well, the more opportunities you have to make a sale.

          I nee sleep. If what I've written seems silly or incoherent, then blame it on my fatigue..... else take my words to heart and ponder them for a while.

          Like I said, I'm no millionaire or anything even close. All I know is that my bottom line gets better and better each quarter because I keep building, and building, and building, and building, and........

          G'night folks. I need my beauty rest. An ugly Frogg gets no love from his Lady Frogg no matter how much he begs.

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          Something New... http://www.americas-best.com/adult
          - Blakk Frogg

          * Blakk Frogg Sex Blog
          * * Wyldsites Sex Blogs
          * * * Blakk Frogg Joke Blog

          So anyways, this Frogg is looking for smaller traffic trades. Trying to get back into the swing of things, ya' know?

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          • ace0r
            Confirmed User
            • Feb 2001
            • 1410

            #6
            but then again, one site with a nice marketing strategy can also provide the income.

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            • Exxxotica
              Confirmed User
              • Jan 2001
              • 4396

              #7
              aceOr...

              So what is the URL to one of your succsessful sites? I would love to take a look at how you run things. I make a decent living with my free sites...but Im not making "$Bank$"

              Any sneak peak would be greatly appreciated.

              Thanks,
              Exxxotica http://www.exotic-princess.com


              Needs some really great hosting? Black Seven

              note: I do not work for Blackseven... Im just grateful for their kick ass hosting...so quit bothering them when I hurt your feelings... pussy

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              • a32bitwhore
                Confirmed User
                • Mar 2001
                • 130

                #8
                Or you could provide an original service that no one else offers.
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                • a32bitwhore
                  Confirmed User
                  • Mar 2001
                  • 130

                  #9
                  I must add that the above article has inspired to get my ass in gear. I can't believe I've spent almost 6 months doing this and I have hardly anything to show for it, other that about 5.99 months of logged time lurking on mIRC
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                  • TheFLY
                    So Fucking Banned
                    • Jan 2001
                    • 11856

                    #10
                    Messages like this are great -- but see it for what it is -- the guy is just stroking his big cock of an ego. Stats are important -- you make changes to your sites -- and you watch your stats to see the effects of your changes. Stats are what makes this game so beautiful -- you can see the fruits of your labor in realtime... what if you wake up one day and find out that your hits dropped 95% -- fuck if you were listening to this guy you would be out of business -- and this has happened to me personally many times... network problems, hosting problems, cgi problems, etc. etc... stats are IMPORTANT.

                    Sure we should all set goals that's obvious. Anyway money is not the most important thing in the world -- don't just think about looking ahead -- think about looking back too...

                    God has spoken -- you can rest easy now... haha

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                    -- thefly.net

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                    • ace0r
                      Confirmed User
                      • Feb 2001
                      • 1410

                      #11
                      stats are important in a way to monitor traffic productivity... but there are also the people that sit and check stats every 5 minutes to see if they made another nickel from the last time they checked.

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                      • Giorgio
                        Registered User
                        • Mar 2001
                        • 32

                        #12
                        Ace0r, can i see one of your sites please?

                        Adam
                        "Before you critisize someone walk a mile in their shoes.
                        That way, when you critisize then, you'll be a mile away and will have their shoes."

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                        • a32bitwhore
                          Confirmed User
                          • Mar 2001
                          • 130

                          #13
                          I got this from the TrafficSwap articles section. It's written by Stephen Yagielowicz of TheAdultWebmaster magazine. Though I don't have free site empire I have built my own Command Center to speed up my frequent tasks.

                          Read on MacDuff
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                          Being properly organized will help your business run more smoothly, efficiently, and successfully. Centralizing your webmaster resources will allow you to quickly find what you're looking for, easily monitor stats and sales, build and update sites faster, a nd allow data backups by simply copying one directory to CD.

                          I currently own 26 adult sites, and they are all maintained from a central web tool that I call "Porn Command." Porn Command is a 3-pane frameset with a top main menu bar, left side sub-menu, and main content frame. The top menu bar contains links that display a list of my sites, sponsors, resources, and more within the left side sub-menu. This frame links to web pages on both my local server as well as the Internet that are then displayed in the main content frame.

                          The SITES menu displays a listing of my current web sites, with links to both the local versions on my PC as well as the "online" version. This allows me to quickly ensure that my live sites are up and running, as well as compare them to the versions currently under development. There are also links to my doorway pages, as well as to my server's stats page and control panel. Another link displays my server setup and account information.

                          The SPONSORS menu displays an alphabetical listing of my sponsors. Each sponsor listing contains a link to a "setup" page. This page displays all account information, user names, passwords, banner page URL's, linking criteria and syntax, e-mail addresses, etc. The sponsor list also details the various programs I am enrolled in, with direct links to their respective stats and setup pages, as well as passwords and usernames.

                          For instance, my CyberErotica listing links not only to their main webmaster page, but also to my Big Time Green, Fast Cash, Follow Me, Golden Nuggets, Risky Mail, and Teen Mail stats pages as well. I test these programs at different times and places color coding the entries to help track their status; green listings signify a program that I am advertising, red entries are currently inactive.

                          My AD MAP comes next. This is a new browser window with a chart listing my sites and all of my sponsor's programs. I use this to manage my overall advertising strategy. I can visually tell not only what sponsor and program I have on a particular page, but what type of ad (Banner, Table Ad, Full Page, Console, Text / Blind Link, or Webmaster Program) as well as it's placement (top or bottom banner slot, etc). This allows me to make the most productive use of my ad space.

                          Clicking WEB TECH opens a list of sub-categories such as .htaccess, consoles, scripts, and META tags. Want a stealth console, back button redirect, date stamp, dual function MouseOver, or perhaps a script to re-direct WebTv users to a particular page? I have the code available here, ready to cut and paste into my web page.

                          TGPs are handled next. This link opens a sub-menu with links to my "tables page" as well as to my active TGP list. The "tables page" contains just that, tables with banner, button, or text links to four TGPs each, categorized according to their linking criteria. For example, those posts that allow pics on separate html pages, blind links, and exit consoles, are in the "A" category. A gallery made to these specifications will have a URL ending "/a01.htm" for the first set of four posts, "/a02.htm" for the second set, and so on.

                          I have merely to copy and paste these tables into their respective galleries and submit them using the active TGP list. This list is categorized in the same way so that I know which URL to submit. Under "a01.htm" are links to both the main and submit pages of the respective posts whose links are on that particular gallery. When the "A" list is done, I remove the exit console from the gallery, change tables and then submit to the "B" list: those posts allowing separate html pages and blind links, but not consoles. This process continues with stricter posts on the "C" and "D" lists, each allowing fewer advertising tricks, but usually delivering more or "better" traffic.

                          Next comes a link for PROMOTIONS. This opens a sub-menu linking to my URL, description, and META tag lists, as well as links to various search engines, directories, and top lists suitable for posting adult content. My last submission dates are also listed. I will be updating this section to include a scrolling text box containing all linking info. This will further speed up the search engine submission process, as I will be able to easily copy and paste this information into the appropriate submission form fields.

                          The final link is for RESOURCES. This opens a sub menu listing my favorite sites, like The Adult Webmaster Magazine, NetPond Chronicles, WebOverdrive, and many others. There are also links for current browser and OS information, search engine technology, scripting resources, anything that helps me to be a better and more effective webmaster.

                          Additionally, inside the site I have several "scratch" pages: New Sponsors, New Tech, New Promotions, and New Resources. Whenever I come across some little nugget of info, a hot URL, or bit of code, I copy and paste it onto one of these pages until it can be properly incorporated into Porn Command.

                          Having such a facility greatly simplifies my daily tasks, allowing me to make better use of my time and resources, and is much more efficient than using bookmarks or a simple page full of links. Building your own version of "Porn Command" may take a little time, but the effort is well worth it.



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                          • Kat - Fast
                            Confirmed User
                            • Feb 2001
                            • 2303

                            #14
                            Holy fuck! I do this for a laugh - cos i ENJOY it!! THAT LOOKS TO MUCH LIKE DAMN HARD WORK!

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                            • Fuck_it_all
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2001
                              • 47

                              #15
                              Read on MacDuff[/B][/QUOTE]

                              this is a fuck up story

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                              • a32bitwhore
                                Confirmed User
                                • Mar 2001
                                • 130

                                #16
                                Took me only 15minutes of not chatting and boardsurfing to set it up. Mine's not as complicated but still useful. Just a Simple frameset with a menu on the left to all of my update scripts and whatnot
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